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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 16:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Zaidiyyah → Zaydism Zaydism is the WP:COMMONNAME now. See [Ngrams] PZMir (talk) 10:55, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Also strongly supported by the broader Ngram comparing all of Zaydism,Zaidism,Zaidiyyah,Zaidiyya,Zaydiyya,Zaydiyyah. Google scholar also comes up with 819 results and sources that look reliable. Do note, however, that on Google Scholar Zaydiyya gets somewhat more (1020) results, though perhaps slightly less reliable ones here and there. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 13:48, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - not only based on the Ngram, but also for consistency of naming conventions, since Isma'ilism also uses the -ism in its title. --ZeegoTheDeer (talk) 03:51, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom, and also the important point about consistency in naming conventions. Zaydism has been the commonname for a long time. Zaidiyyah may be overrepresented in some older scholarly sources, but only because it is the orthodox transliteration of the Arabic. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Obedience

The lead talks at length about the "obedience" without an explanation, using a (very rare outside of this article) term "imam of obedience". This terminology is not used in any long research treatment of the subject, there is no cite in our article either. Is this a "true imam" of the Twelvers? If yes, this appears to be a wrong statement: Zaydis seem to allow imam selection based on merit, not predestination. If cite is not found, I will remove the sentences form the lead. Викидим (talk) 20:24, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. If someone finds a cite, please let me know. Викидим (talk) 09:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Somehow the "low importance" of the topic for Yemen sounds unconvincing. Викидим (talk) 06:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two histories

There are literally two history sections in the article. I did not create any of these, and am simply (slowly) doing a rewrite of the first one using the sources at the bottom of the article that look solid to me (Zaydism#Further reading). If anyone has objections to any of these, please voice them here, as I am not connected to Yemen or Yemen-related scholarship in real life, and thus will happily consider other sources. With one of the books printed in late 2023, although apparently hastily put together (note the references to "this dissertation" inside), I see no reason to use any online sources, especially news (this article is not about the current events in Yemen, after all, and can easily be made non-controversial). Викидим (talk) 09:03, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regions

@Викидим, it says in the history section of the article that:

The Zaydis formed the states in what is now known as northern Iran (Tabaristan, 864 CE, by Hasan ibn Zayd, expanded to Daylam and Gilan) and later in Yemen (893 CE, by al-Hadi ila'l-Haqq Yahya). The Zaydis on the Caspian Sea were forcefully converted to Twelver Shi'ism in the 16th century.

Northern iran should be in the infobox + the Houthis, although they're the largest practicers of this sect-thingy, aren't the only group that practices it Abo Yemen ✉ 10:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is my understanding that the section "Regions with significant populations" means current significant populations (at least that is how it is used in the articles I've checked). As the text you quote suggests, Zaidism in Iran is long extinct. The {{infobox religious group}} appears to have no documentation, alas. Викидим (talk) 19:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

aight Abo Yemen ✉ 08:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]