Template:Did you know nominations/Abu Shusha, Haifa
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:43, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
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Abu Shusha, Haifa
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Children of Abu Shusha, before the Nakba
- ... that the depopulated Palestinian village of Abu Shusha, Haifa has been suggested as the location of the Roman town of Gaba Hippeon, founded in year 61 BCE?
5x expanded by Huldra (talk) and Bolter21 (talk). Nominated by Huldra (talk) at 23:35, 28 July 2016 (UTC).
New enough, long enough, neutral, sourced (AGF on offline), hook is short enough, sourced. I am not 100% sure about the provenance of the image, so think that should not be used. Otherwise, GTG. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:52, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
After reviewing sources available online respectfully disagree. This needs improvement. The quote and the article are not encyclopedic and one sided, make it sound like Jews never lived in that location. Gaba Hippeon also known by its Hebrew name Geva Parashim was established by King Herod the Great in Jewish Palestine also known as Judea where king settled veterans of his army. See sources for example:
- p. 287
- p. 102
- p. 414 151.16.126.195 (talk) 23:16, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
- According to Shatzman, 1991, p. 258, the "Gaba" Herod established is not Abu Shusha: "The argument of Schmitt, 1987, who identifies Herod´s Gaba with Tell Abu-Shush, are untenable in view of Barag´s (1988) treatment of the subject." *This* Gaba Hippeon, was founded in year 61 BCE, when Herod was 12-13 years old Huldra (talk) 23:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
- This is about reading comprehension. Don't you see that in your source page 258 Shatzman quotes Josephus Flavius and says Herod's Gaba was established to guard Galilee probably at the location of Mishmar HaEmek, that's why another city Gaba, at Tell Abu-Shusha that Shatzman says "should be distinguished" and "was established by Lucius Marcius Philippus" is elsewhere. 151.16.126.195 (talk) 00:25, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
- Huh? Shatzman, 1991, p. 258, say the Josephus "Gaba" was established to guard Galilee, "probably at Sha'ar HaAmakim," not at Mishmar HaEmek! And he refers to the "latter Gaba" at G. R 1633 2245 (where Abu Shusha G. R are given as 163/224.) I don´t see any doubt as to what Shatzman means here: L. Marcius Philippus founded the Gaba Hippeon, at Abu Shusha, Haifa, Huldra (talk) 02:34, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
- This is about reading comprehension. Don't you see that in your source page 258 Shatzman quotes Josephus Flavius and says Herod's Gaba was established to guard Galilee probably at the location of Mishmar HaEmek, that's why another city Gaba, at Tell Abu-Shusha that Shatzman says "should be distinguished" and "was established by Lucius Marcius Philippus" is elsewhere. 151.16.126.195 (talk) 00:25, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
- According to Shatzman, 1991, p. 258, the "Gaba" Herod established is not Abu Shusha: "The argument of Schmitt, 1987, who identifies Herod´s Gaba with Tell Abu-Shush, are untenable in view of Barag´s (1988) treatment of the subject." *This* Gaba Hippeon, was founded in year 61 BCE, when Herod was 12-13 years old Huldra (talk) 23:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
- I assume all sorts of people have lived at the location over the years including Syrians, Jews, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Franks, Kurds, Turks, whatever. The article and sources just say there is nobody there now, and the last people living there were Palestinian Arabs. The hook, which is sourced, correctly says it has been identified with Gaba Hippeon. Maybe that identification is incorrect, but the hook accurately reflects what the sources say. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
