Template:Did you know nominations/Philipp Harnoncourt
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The result was: promoted by Valereee (talk) 12:05, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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Philipp Harnoncourt
Philipp Harnoncourt in 2009
... that Philipp Harnoncourt (pictured) founded a department of church music as part of the later Kunstuniversität Graz in the family residence, Palais Meran?Source: several
- Reviewed: Catherine Sourbut Groves
- Comment: The Palais will get an article.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:08, 15 May 2021 (UTC).
Long enough, new enough, picture properly licensed, etc. Gerda Arendt, a few things. The sentence that has the hook, with this link--the link doesn't verify the Palais Meran. And if you're going to write that too, you want to add it to this one? But there's more: the references aren't very clean. Some were in citation templates, some were not. The one that I just cleaned up had both the paper and the article from it in italics. Others are very basic, like the one I already linked from www.kug.ac.at. But also, there are things that aren't cited according to our conventions: every paragraph needs a final citation. Drmies (talk) 23:24, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies, thank you for looking. Article history: written 8 May (I wanted to write Franz but then noticed that this one has an anniversary sooner.) And then forgotten until nomination day came. And then forgotten once more. Patience please, but something should happen soon, for an appearance on 25 May which would be good. I'll ping you. Perhaps with another hook, because this one would be good for the Palais, and I prefer to give each his own. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies, now for the first time I looked at the refs, and dropped a few. As I plan to go further about Palais Meran and the chapel now mentioned, I suggest this for today:
- ALT1:
... that Philipp Harnoncourt (pictured), a professor of liturgy in Graz, worked for ecumenical relations of the Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox churches? - Better wording or idea welcome. Or should we wait for Trinity Sunday and mention the 1+1+1=1 prize. Will sleep over that.--Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Having looked at the queues, I see that the pictured hook is already taken for 25 May, so perhaps better go for Trinity. Don't look too deep in ALT1, just check refs please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies, start over:
Philipp Harnoncourt in the Chapel in 2017
ALT2: ... that Philipp Harnoncourt (pictured) initiated the restoration of a Gothic chapel with a triangle floorplan originally dedicated to the Trinity, and wanted it to be reopened on Trinity Sunday?- ... which was then 7 June, and a day after his funeral, and happened (Livestream). This year, it's 30 May. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, still a few things. I changed one of your section headings, and maybe you can make it better. Reference 1, I don't understand the title: the title should read "'Ich kann nicht trauern, weil ich so dankbar bin'". The second reference needs to be properly templated, and it needs to be cleared up. And I cannot find in any of the online references that he returned to Grundlsee in 1944: that part still needs a proper citation. That chapel, that's spectacular. I'm speechless. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:39, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies, thank you! For the youth details, I now used mostly his brother's detailed bio, - hope that's ok. see a few people close to the end? Third from the left (his sister-in law) wrote in her regular Christmas letter that he had died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:30, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, I am still going through the article, but I need a break. I have commented out a number of things that aren't verified in the given source. I hope to finish later today. Drmies (talk) 15:34, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies, thank you! For the youth details, I now used mostly his brother's detailed bio, - hope that's ok. see a few people close to the end? Third from the left (his sister-in law) wrote in her regular Christmas letter that he had died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:30, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, still a few things. I changed one of your section headings, and maybe you can make it better. Reference 1, I don't understand the title: the title should read "'Ich kann nicht trauern, weil ich so dankbar bin'". The second reference needs to be properly templated, and it needs to be cleared up. And I cannot find in any of the online references that he returned to Grundlsee in 1944: that part still needs a proper citation. That chapel, that's spectacular. I'm speechless. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:39, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, I was going to tick this, but I cannot find verification that his wish was for the chapel to be reopened on Trinity Sunday... Drmies (talk) 20:21, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Livestream aus der Heiligen-Geist-Kapelle im Gedenken an Philipp Harnoncourt meinbezirk.at
- Livestream aus der Heiligen-Geist-Kapelle im Gedenken an Philipp Harnoncourt bruckmur.at
- Nach oben orientiert meinekirchenzeitung.at
- Opening YT (haven't listened yet)
- Well, these sources don't say specifically "he wished it to be opened", but the first says "he wished it to be completed by Trinity Sunday" ("Dreifaltigskeitssonntag"). To have the funeral one day and the opening the next, with the same relatives and musician having to move from one place to the other, would probably have been avoided if not to serve his wish, but we could perhaps say something more factual:
- ALT3: ... that Philipp Harnoncourt (pictured) initiated the restoration of a Gothic chapel with a triangle floorplan, originally dedicated to the Trinity and reopened on Trinity Sunday 2020?
- The YouTube has the phrase "war der Wunschtermin" (was the wished date), said by Alice Hoppe-Harnoncourt, but I know that YT is no RS. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
We're a go for ALT3. Note: image is properly licensed. Gerda Arendt, his day of death is...today, so that will not be possible. I'll see about putting it on 12 June, Trinity Sunday. Drmies (talk) 16:47, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- thank you, please keep watching because I'll add a bit, found a new source. - Can you please move it to Special occasions (because I am not supposed to do that), and perhaps say a word about the image suitability? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- As said above (with ALT2, and bold), 30 May is this year's Trinity Sunday, which is soon and probably will need an admin especially if with image - which I hope for very much in this case. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)