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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 16:10, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

The New Day (newspaper)

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  • ... that The New Day, launched on 29 February, was the first new British newspaper to appear since the i in 2010?

Created by Gareth E. Kegg (talk) and Ritchie333 (talk). Nominated by Ritchie333 (talk) at 19:26, 29 February 2016 (UTC).

  • New enough (7 days), long enough (1804b prose size), neutral (calls on four different media organisations in the referencing). All quotes are properly supported by the references. No paraphrasing concerns. Both hooks seem to meet policy but I am tempted to sign off on the ALT1 due to better flow. QPQ has been done. We are done here. C679 08:48, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
  • There's a problem with ALT1 - the source is only reporting the publisher claims half a million people have stopped buying newspapers, not that they absolutely have (with concrete research), so you'll need ALT2 ... that the publishers of The New Day believe 500,000 people have stopped regularly buying British newspapers? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Re-review requested. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

  • well it's your hook. I don't think ALT2 is hooky, still passing per original review with ALT0. If there is a considerable delay before this appears on the main page, suggest appending the year to the date. C679 16:15, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Reopened per WT:DYK#New Day hook removed from Queue 5. Fram (talk) 15:14, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

I have struck ALT1 and ALT2. So far as I can tell, the original hook (aka ALT0) would be ready to go except that, now that Fram has pointed out the error behind the two ALTs, the article should be fixed before ALT0 can be reapproved, or a new hook proposed for review. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:49, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Nope, scratch that: the original hook fails because we don't know that it's the first British newspaper; the article specifically says "national daily newspaper", and that's a big difference from just "newspaper". This needs a new hook or hooks, plus the article update, prior to a new review commencing. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:54, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
So just use ALT3 ... that The New Day, launched on 29 February, was the first new national British newspaper to appear since the i in 2010? - which is probably what I meant to write in the first instance. (FWIW, the BBC radio show where I heard about the paper claimed it was the first since the Independent in 1986, but I thought the i was more accurate.) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:35, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Reviewer needed to check ALT3. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:13, 17 March 2016 (UTC)