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That's because

That's because there's been virtually nothing to update -- the networks have made almost no changes to their daytime schedules since 1999, except a couple of soap opera cancellations.

The information in these boxes is verifiable; I use Wesley Hyatt's Encyclopedia of Daytime Television as my source. But I do understand the query about making the "succession" issue clearer -- perhaps if there was a better way to state this, and if the succession boxes were kept on all pages (some have been deleted, some not) it would work far better. Calliaume (talk) 17:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Request

I heard that you took away all those images from the daytime Wheel of Fortune section, which upset me. I think those are really useful. If it's not too much trouble, can you please put them back? At least a few of them, if not all of them. Signed Bob--76.238.92.96 (talk) 21:20, 19 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.92.96 (talk) 20:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Wheel of Fortune wheel configuration

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Jeopardy! (video games)

I noticed you've been contributing a bit to the Jeopardy! articles and wanted your opinion of my merge proposal to combine Jeopardy! (video games) into Jeopardy! in merchandising#Video games. Can you provide any insight on the Jeopardy! in merchandising talk page? Sottolacqua (talk) 17:08, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

"Eastern Time affiliates have always been able to choose between 6:30 and 7 for evening news"

Re: Jeopardy! broadcast history. If true it affects the thesis of the paragraph and isn't repaired by adding in a single statement. Can you point to some back-up on this assertion? Thanks, Robert K S (talk) 17:38, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Your messages are much appreciated. Robert K S (talk) 06:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

re: Match Game

A champion retired after winning $25,000 and (your version)/but (my version) could keep up to $35,000. and two contestants each played against each other twice.

To me this is just splitting hairs—it doesn't really matter either way. Change it or keep it...doesn't matter to me.

On Friday episodes which ran short, in order to fill time audience members played a question similar to those used in the Super Match for a small cash prize.

There is no source stating this only happened three times, and "got to play the game" is pretty general and not specific to the actual procedure. Sottolacqua (talk) 20:17, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Configuration

Okay. It still has to be deleted via a formal discussion, since it has a non-trivial edit history by others. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 22:58, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Jeopardy! broadcast history

What do you think should be done with this article? It looks too long and overly detailed to me, giving far too many mentions to other NBC shows. I dug up the Jeopardy! book out of the basement to add some of its info to the article, and I think that some of the broadcast history article would be better off merged to the main Jeopardy! article. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 23:39, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

• You might want to look at this. Robert K S clearly has some sort of vendetta against me. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 04:27, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Anthony Foxx

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re: Mass AfD of pricing game articles

No idea--can't seem to find a deadline. Sottolacqua (talk) 21:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

That is asinine. I cannot believe after all of that discussion the result is keep. Sottolacqua (talk) 03:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: The $50,000 Pyramid

My source is, mainly, http://www.xanfan.com/celebrities/50kpyramid.htm (he admits that the Cullen $25K page is outdated) – it lists all 19 weeks and their celebrities. Apparently, the last show of Week 17 (Didi Conn/Nipsey Russell) aired as the last repeat on September 4, 1981.

To answer your concern, we only list the date of the last first-run episode when we have that info with a note that it continued in repeats until another time. Otherwise, we continue as per normal (notable exception: The Cheap Show. It had about 39 episodes taped, but for some reason nobody knows exactly which week in September 1978 the series began.)

Besides that, you have not contested the run of the Davidson $100,000 Pyramid as ending on December 6, 1991. Again, Xanfan's site shows that the series ceased first-run episodes on December 6, 1991 but continued in repeats until March 6, 1992. Some videos uploaded on YouTube are of the Davidson run, complete with slates and in some cases a flashing "RE-RUN" sign.

I hope that answers your question. :-) Daniel Benfield (talk) 20:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Kathy Greco

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AfD nomination of Roger Dobkowitz

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Showcase Showdown merge proposal

Do we need to wait for an administrator to merge this or can it just be done by any user based on the discussion? Sottolacqua (talk) 22:02, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Not irrelevant

It was a parody on the show. If it were a parody on Password, yes, it would be irrelevant. However, it was a parody on Let's Make a Deal, so it's not irrelevant. Never mind that Let's Make a Deal was nearly a parody of itself. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:16, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

"The Cheech and Chong parody of LMAD is trivia". That's a matter of opinion. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:22, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

If your game show project has decided to eliminate "pop culture references", then so be it. Trivia is not expressly forbidden, though. LMAD probably has many such references/parodies/etc. The Minnesota Twins do one at every home game, for example. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

"Your" collectively, not you specifically. And if the original editor had bothered putting something in the edit summary instead of just acting like he owned the article, it could have stopped right there. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:48, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Aha. So he's in the habit of leaving no usable edit summary. That figures. Your edit summary was a bit snippy, but at least it was a real edit summary (and I've also been known to make snippy edit summaries). I think we can leave the article be at this point. Thanks for your indulgence. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:20, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

User:65.27.107.211

He has gone too far and has crossed the line with his disruptive posts at Wheel of Fortune, Super Jeopardy!, Monopoly, and Pyramid. We have to do something. WikiLubber (talk) 15:16, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Do you think you this noticeboard might work? Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents? WikiLubber (talk) 20:01, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

JTRH, we got him! He is finally blocked again, this time, for 3 months. 3 months! See, I sent in a request for Super Jeopardy! and Monopoly (game show) to be protected, but they made things better by blocking the IP user instead! WikiLubber (talk) 01:54, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

re:Daniel Mamora

Hello JTRH, thank you. You can find the preloaded notification at the bottom of the speedy deletion template: {{subst:Db-vandalism-notice|Daniel Mamora|header=1}} ~~~~. Btw, I think {{db-bio}} is more appropriate in this case. Have a nice day. --Vejvančický (talk) 14:42, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

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Re: Wheel of Fortune

The disambiguation parts of titles aren't supposed impart a lot of information, just enough to distinguish between them. WP:NCDAB:' If there are several possible choices for disambiguating with a class or context [...] choose whichever is simpler. For example, use "(mythology)" rather than "(mythological figure)". ' Hence why I simplified (and the current US incarnation's title was just plain ambiguous with respect to its predecessor show). My apologies if my attempt to improve policy compliance came off as rude; I admit I was bold. --Cybercobra (talk) 04:32, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Pyramid set changes

"The set evolution section of the article really doesn't convey much without some illustrations of what you're describing. Do you know where to get some free-use screencaps of the show?"

Well...no, I'm afraid not. My sources for some of the set changes (especially for the Davidson version) was YouTube, and video quality varies from "ultra-crystal-clear studio master with slate-and-all-the-yummy-trimmings" to "fifth-generation Betamax with no open-commercials-or-credits and some weird high-pitched ringing throughout" (okay, maybe not that bad, but there is some poor-quality stuff on there). As such, getting screenshots from there would be a bit of a pain – and besides that, I'm pretty sure they're not free-use.

And no, sadly I have no Pyramid episodes of my own – nor do I have GSN. I know of a collector who was offering some Cullen $25,000 pictures on eBay, but those were monochrome negatives. Daniel Benfield (talk) 05:34, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Wheel of Fortune

"To date" is a temporal term. I've seen "to date"s go unchecked for years and therefore invalidated. It's a recentism and therefore shouldn't be used. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 18:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

• "Only million dollar winner" is perfect IMO. "First and only" is redundant; if she's the only one, then by definition she's also the first. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 21:37, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

• Okay. Maybe an "as of" term, like "only winner as of early 2010." Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 22:52, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

• It at least specifies when "to date" is. If there's no way to work around using a temporal term, at least use a precise one. 13:39, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Re:Episode Status

Hey, just noticed your message.

• Point (1), regarding the belief that certain shows are destroyed, is one I can't really answer. To my knowledge, there are no "trusted" third-party sources that really talk about this sort of thing.

• Point (2), regarding the dates and times that GSN reran certain shows, I can agree on to an extent. I don't keep track of that sort of thing, but times of day definitely aren't important except in certain cases (the Tom Kennedy Price is Right comes to mind). And for another example, the Wink Martindale High Rollers ended in September 1988 and was put on USA the following Monday.

• Point (3), regarding private collections, is a bit messy. I'm not contesting the fact that an individual owning a tape of a show isn't relevant, but I must add that several game shows only survive because some guy taped it off his TV screen.

• Point (4), about unsourced OR and miscellaneous trivia, I can agree on to an extent. Some facts just weren't covered by third-party sources, and have fallen into obscurity.

• Point (5), discussing game-show clips on YouTube, is again muddy and in fact something I have disagreed with for some time. Some facts discussed in articles, such as a particular celebrity appearing on a single episode of a single show, are marked as OR even if there is a link to a YouTube video of that episode clearly showing said celebrity. The fact is that companies such as Fremantle and GSN simply do not post clips or episodes from the shows they own or air (in GSN's case, they show their more recent originals). Fact is, the only way to prove (for example) there was a Concentration pilot done in 1985 with Orson Bean hosting is to link to a YouTube upload by somebody who clearly isn't NBC (who doesn't care about a property they own). Also, YouTube is usually the only way to prove some shows actually exist, or were even made.

Well, I guess that qualifies as a rant. Thanks for listening. Daniel Benfield (talk) 00:51, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Addendum – I propose that you, Robert K S, TenPoundHammer, and myself (and anybody else who wants to discuss this) find some single page to discuss this matter -- possibly Talk:Wiping since it was one of the points you mentioned. I easily got confused trying to keep up with the discussion, but I don't know where we could discuss all the points. All my best, Daniel Benfield (talk) 19:32, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed your edit – I'd like to know how you got Mr. Wostbrock's email address, but I don't think I'll ask you (or anybody else). It's good to know that the 1974-75 syndicated and 1978-79 revival versions of Jeopardy! are intact – gives more incentive to release DVD sets (which, for obvious reasons, I'd buy; the '78 version has only five episodes circulating, and the '74 syndicated run has none).

And, although I understand that YouTube clips are not allowed unless it's by the company itself or a licensed third party, please don't bring up Viacom's taking down clips – they're hypocrites and liars and morons, having forced down videos using copyrights they didn't own and uploading videos themselves without proper identification (then taking those down) and stealing YouTube videos to put on Spike.com without permission or proper credit.

As for a forum to discuss this whole matter, just point me to it once it's ready and I'm there. All my best, Daniel Benfield (talk) 19:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Ah. I thought Wostbrock had retired (he was Bill Cullen's agent for a good portion of the man's television career), or at least made his business not so public. Daniel Benfield (talk) 19:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

re: "Episode status"

Please continue this discussion on your own talk pages. I appreciate your consideration for my opinion, but I am not interested in helping with the project. Thanks for understanding Sottolacqua (talk) 19:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

A source for episode status discussions

I e-mailed Fred Wostbrock, co-author of The Encyclopedia of TV Game Shows, and got back an almost immediate response. Only 12 episodes of the original NBC Jeopardy! exist, but every ep. of the weekly syndicated show and the '78-'79 revival are in storage, along with over 1000 Peter Marshall Hollywood Squares. That's a definitive response from a recognized authority on the subject. So, how do I cite this in the article? JTRH (talk) 19:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

TV Personal

I saw the discusstion you had with User:Deconstructhis. I've had the same problem. I helped out a little bit with him, but I was wondering, if a reference tag would do for KERO-TV and KGET-TV for what he's taken off for those stations. KERO-TV I did, before he did, so he wouldn't mess with it, but let me know, if it would be better to have a reference tag on there. If so, I'll get one up for that. Just need to know if the reference tag would do. If so, you can look under the history for KGET-TV, which is what started it with me, and you can look at KERO-TV and let me know whether a reference tag would be appropriate, or just leave the way it is now. (JoeCool950 (talk) 19:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC))

Hey JTRH, would you mind restoring the pages to WBBM-TV, WMAQ-TV, WLS-TV, WGN-TV, and WFLD-TV. It seems as if the same thing happened to those pages as well. Almost the whole list was deleted and only a few notable ones were left. I feel the same way as you do about the situation. Since Chicago is a very big market, I feel they should be left there as well. Just tag it as unreferenced and I will try to find sources for them. If you could do that I greatly would appreciate it. Thanks so much. NoSuchThing85 (talk) 20:11, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

• The original discussion on this topic was archived here. (ESkog)^(Talk) 22:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

TV Personal

Just wanted to find out, maybe should, for the station that you put a reference tag on, for the former staff you feel should be notable, make a wikipedia page for them. You can help me with KGET-TV and KERO-TV. I be starting with KGET-TV. I'll have the names of those that don't have a wikipedia page, and we can create one. He took of John Elliot, but his page is disambled. Just want to see if you're interested, or if that's what you're doing? (JoeCool950 (talk) 23:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC))

Goodwin

No problem. I was just surprised that the document was updated and posted as fast as it was. This Congress has the most appointees in history, and several of us editors went around and around on this "term starts" issues at the outset. We finally resolved the issue, but every new appointment crops up the same issues with new editors. That's probably why I came of as a bit of an ass, because I had a gut feeling just how this was going to end. Having worked for the Senate and having former colleages who are in leadership positions tends to give me a little different perspective. Early on in the first debate, even the official rolls had the wrong dates for several duly elected senators in the 1990s and early 2000s, listing their swearing in dates rather than the start of the Congress, until a few of us pointed out the mistake and the Historical Office corrected it.DCmacnut<> 02:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I know what you mean. You and I have "inside information" about how Congress "works" and that is both a blessing and a curse. My former senator was elected to the Senate in 86, and his term date was also listed as January 6. But that pesky Constitution always trips you up. The 20th Amendment basically superseeded the oath requirement, providing for a specific start and end time for members of Congress and the President. Prior to the adoption of the 20th, terms were a little more fluid, I imagine, and swearing served a greater purpose. It has always amazed me that when I worked for the Senate, I had to take the same oath that senators take.DCmacnut<> 14:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Interesting factoid there about the transition. I worked for Daschle. I love Fritz. There was a guy in our office that did a spot on impression of him.DCmacnut<> 18:25, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

re: Dates in infoboxes

To answer your question, it can be found in the broadcast-specific section of Template:Infobox television#Attributes. I feel that using startdate-enddate formats are not compulsory for any TV show article, but recommended in either that format or, as is the case in Tattletales, typed as "February 18, 1974". Hope this answers your question. Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:25, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

re: Dates in Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy! articles

Thanks. If the user puts incorrect information without citing a verifiable source, it will be continued to be reverted unless there is a verifiable source for the credit information. As for the Wheel of Fortune dates, according to a press release here and the show's official website, Friedman joined the show as producer in June 1995. Is it possible that this press release qualifies as a verifiable source for the information? Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 16:07, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

It's a reputable published source. That doesn't even need to be verified further. Thanks for your contribution! JTRH (talk) 16:52, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Alvin Greene

Please explain why you think the incarceration chart is relevant to the Alvin Greene article. Thank you. JTRH (talk) 16:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Because it illustrate the portion of the article "Political positions". The chart is totaly legimate and true. It was greated based on US Bureau of Justice data and used before in other articles, so it add value to the "Alvin Greene" article. The article already has very few pictures, and someone keep removing Alvin photo, even so I have email from SCDP granting Wiki rights to use it. It is classified as vandalism to remove true data of pictures from Wiki articles. Even if you do not like Alvin, there is thousands of incarcerated Americans whos punishment does not fits the crime and they have no voice on Wiki. US incarceration rates per capita are comparable to ex-USSR Gulag numbers, so please stop vandalising Alvin "Political positions" block. Innab (talk) 17:26, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

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John Boehner

Howdy JTRH. Be prepared for tomorrow, as lots of IPs will be adding 61st Speaker of the United States House of Representatives as the top of that article's infobox. Also, we'll have to keep an eye on the succession box. GoodDay (talk) 03:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Runtimes

If 38 is the actual runtime, then it should be in the infobox. The article has enough indiscriminate info as is, no need to do a rundown. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 13:13, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Sale of the Century

Somehow that show's completely escaped my radar; I never saw a second of it on YouTube or otherwise, so I'm not totally certain on what should stay and what should go. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 20:29, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Wheel of Fortune gameplay

What do you think should be done with Wheel of Fortune gameplay? It seems WP:IINFO in my opinion. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 19:34, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Let's Make a Deal

A quick Google search indicates that LMAD or LMaD is frequently used as an acronym by fans. The CBS website does not refer to it that way, though. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:05, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

LMAD is one of those fan abbreviations such as ST:TOS or L&O:CI, which might or might not be "notable" but which get used anyway. Finding a "valid" source for any of those abbreviations could be a problem. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I recommend that you google [lmad let's make a deal] and see if any of the references remotely resemble valid sources. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I am also indifferent to it, I was just curious about it. It's up to a poster to provide some kind of citation for it. If the game show's own twitter site uses it, that would seem to be sufficient evidence for a passing reference. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:06, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

re: Lanisha Cole

If that's the case, the editor making the change needs to provide a source instead of simply saying "Lucky Lanisha left the show this year!" in the edit summary. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:48, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Wheel

What do you suggest to source the returning champions format with? "Wheel of Fortune" + "Friday Finals" turns up nothing but YouTube videos, which can't be used as sources. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 00:20, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

There have been several books written about the show, and it could be in there. I don't have time to do the research, but maybe someone else could come up with something. I just think it's premature to write it off as unverifiable just because nothing but YT comes up when you Google it. JTRH (talk) 00:36, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

The section's been there for years. Don't hope that the house will build itself. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 00:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

A nice carpentry metaphor from the Hammer. :) I'm not holding my breath, but has this specific section been fact-tagged before? JTRH (talk) 01:08, 22 March 2011 (UTC)