User:Moonriddengirl/Coaching

Time for some studies? Eh!

Prelims

The box is there because I want to keep my philosophy right up front because I think it's important enough to remember. :) The questions I will ask and suggestions I will make are going to be based around that goal. If you don't see why something applies, please feel free to ask me. If I suggest improvements in an area where you already feel very strong, please don't be offended - I don't really have time to dig heavily into your contributions and so some of my suggestions are general. I do not have a solid and well-organized lesson plan - just observations that may evolve as we go along. And I am not in a hurry. At any point that you feel like going for adminship, go for it. Please do not feel you need to wait to graduate. :) I may not nominate you myself due in large part to my limited time on Wikipedia but I will certainly wish you well. I think you have the right demeanor to be a good admin. Beyond your content work and my appreciation for your consciousness of copyright issues in areas where they are often overlooked, I think you have the right personality for it in your willingness to evolve and grow. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I accept that—

• This admin coaching is to identify areas of weakness and repair them, and not to make me admin. Thus, I'll not hold you responsible even if I get 100% negative votes in RFA.
• I'll not ask you to nom/co-nom/vote/argue for me in the RFA.
• I'll not ask you to finish this Admin coaching quickly/before any fixed date. You can continue as you want. --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:46, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Questions

• If you were an admin, how would you plan to use the tools? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

• As of 15 May 2013 the areas/sections where I mainly want to work are— Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, Wikipedia:Requested moves! I don't have lots of experience in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion at this moment (see also: question 2). So, if I participate there, I'll try to be very careful. Currently I am learning WP:AFD process! I try to fight against vandalism regularly, but, I am unsure how can I contribute to WP:AIV as a non-administrator!

• Dispute resolution practice will be helpful in RFPP, as it will help you to recognize when page protection is the best mechanism of forcing proper process and when blocking is better. :) We will work later on some tasks that can help you with addressing "requested moves" - some of this will simply be in ensuring you are fully familiar with the policies and practices in that area, while others will involve assessing consensus in debate. The best way to contribute to AIV as a non-administrator is simply to accurately list people there who need administrator attention. If you have a history of listing people who haven't received proper warning, then that will suggest that you are probably not ready to determine when people should be blocked. Obviously, if you have a history of proper listings, that suggests the opposite. :) In terms of AFD preparation, it's best to begin simply by participating in them and assessing whether or not articles meet policies. (Also good practice - can some of the ones that currently do not be saved? I am not an inclusionist, but I'm not a deletionist, either. I have taken great satisfaction in saving a few articles that I felt were borderline and making them decent articles.) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

• In what areas are you currently active in helping others resolve disputes? What have you been doing towards assisting newcomers? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

• Dispute: As of 15 May 2013 I very rarely participate in WP:ANI and WP:AIV. So far I have tried to resolve disputes only in those articles where I was a contributor eg. Progressive Utilization Theory (the article was fully protected for 2—3 months), Paoli Dam (semiprotected, pending changes protected multiple times), Bengali film articles (multiple articles semi-protection, multiple ANI etc reports), Asaram Bapu (semi protected thrice), Bhagavad Gita etc. But, I lack experience of resolving dispute as an uninvolved editor or Mediation etc. --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:36, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
• And, in case you count the number of non-constructive/disruptive edits as experience, then I have made many reverts (approx. 6000) and I am a trainer of Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy too. --Tito Dutta (contact) 12:28, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
• Welcoming new users: Here, in my opinion, I have some good experience. I have welcomed and tried to help many users. And this work has been a satisfactory one— very satisfactory one. I have got lots of thanking messages from these users too. This is the last thanking message I have got just half an hour ago. I try to show a new editor's mistake in a friendly way and not with cookie-cutter template messages. In addition, I am an active member of Wikipedia Welcoming Team, Barnstar awarding team, Teahouse, Adopt-a-User, CVUA! --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:36, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Suggestions/"Assignments"

Content contributions

I know that you are already a very strong content contributor. I would encourage you to continue working on content heavily throughout your training, alongside any more "administrative" type tasks you may take on. I would consider content work to include writing articles, copy-editing them, fact-checking them and going through peer-review - both giving and receiving. Of course, our primary purpose here is to prepare good content for our readers. :) Whether we are acting administratively (curating) or creating, that's our mission. Further, in terms of preparing for adminship, it will help you overcome the divide some people feel between "admins" and "content contributors" and it will help you retain empathy and understanding around the challenges content contributors face. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I do copyediting/fact-checking works very regular. My DYKs of this month were actually 5x expanded, copyediting works. I do "peer review" too sometimes. In case, you mention the specific tasks/sections of Wikipedia (like AFD, ANI, AIV etc) that will be helpful for me. --Tito Dutta (contact) 12:00, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

That's great. My focus here, as I mention, is simply in making sure that you have a lot of experience in this area. Keep that up, and you should be fine there. :) The other sections of Wikipedia will pop up in other areas as we go. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:27, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Dispute resolution

Practice resolving disputes as an uninvolved editor is very useful in preparation for admin work, as you need to be able to listen to multiple sides and discern what's going on. I would recommend a gradual increase in activity in this area. If I were you, I would begin with Wikipedia:Third opinion (in fact, I did) or Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard as a good place to find generally smaller disputes. These can be very personal, as the participants may be entrenched, and you will need to exercise some diplomacy and tact. :) If you choose to follow this suggestion, please read through those pages carefully before picking a dispute to engage in. Frankly, I think that the disputes listed at this moment at "3O" may not be good beginner points - if there are more than two people in a discussion, it is not a valid "3O" discussion to begin with, and I think most of those disputes seem to be related. I would also recommend that you start casually reading WP:BLPN and WP:3RRN to see what kinds of things go on there. I will probably eventually recommend you help out a bit at BLPN, but I would want to be sure you are very comfortable with the way things are done first. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:27, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay I'll check these two three places and will update here! --Tito Dutta (contact) 12:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Status

•  Doing... Tito Dutta (contact) 20:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

New contributor guidance

It sounds like you're already doing quite well in that area. I'm particularly happy to hear that you're active at the teahouse, and I like that you speak to newcomers like people. :) Please keep that up. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:27, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Status

10 June 2013

Concentrating and participating in AFD and RFPP. --Tito Dutta  (talk • contributions • email) 15:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

• Glad to hear it. I have spot-checked some of your contributions. It's a great place for you to make sure that your understanding of policies is in keeping with others. I would encourage you to very carefully read people's rationales and analyze their arguments and review the policies that seem to apply. Most importantly, follow what happens to them - how do the administrators close them? Think about if you would have closed them in the same way. If the closure contradicts your own opinion, can you understand why? Do you need to adjust your understanding of policy/guideline/practice? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 01:41, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

18 June 2013

Participating in ANI too and also in RFPP Tito☸Dutta 13:03, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

• What are you doing at ANI? Can you give me a link or two? :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 01:41, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, Rahul Jain close, Amd9012 close, comment, IP editor trolling --Tito☸Dutta 01:52, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
• Yes, I watchlist pages. Tito☸Dutta 18:57, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

8 July 2013

Stagnant. Too busy with User:Titodutta/Swami Vivekananda's 150th birth anniversary celebration initiatives Tito☸Dutta 14:39, 8 July 2013‎ (UTC)

27 August 2013

Concentrating on AFD discussions (mainly WP:IND articles), created WP:INDAFD --Tito☸Dutta 03:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

24 September 2013

Participating in AFD discussions, and working in Swami Vivekananda related articles. Tito☸Dutta 16:13, 24 September 2013‎ (UTC)

• How is that going? Are you getting a good sense of how they progress? I grabbed three at random from your contrib list: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singham 3; Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jatt in Mood; Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeeva Sathish. They look good. I did note that an IP had removed your !vote from the third. I put it back, but it raises a thought - if you aren't watchlisting the AFDs in which you take part, I would encourage you to do so. That way, you can look back and see if people have made arguments that change your mind or improve the article. You may be doing this already and simply didn't notice what the IP had done, but if not, it's a good idea to collaborate fully in that area. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:44, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

27 September 2013

Swami Vivekananda has become a GA, September DYK celebration is successful, working on newly created Wikipedia:WikiProject Swami Vivekananda Tito☸Dutta 18:57, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

21 May 2014

I have not updated here for a long time. I was inactive for sometime (although I used to edit daily, but not hundreds of edits everyday). Tito☸Dutta 17:11, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Resume coaching

This page has been inactive for sometime. I have been inactive too at Wikipedia for few months. Now I have got time. I have informed Moonriddengirl and asked her to resume this coaching. --Tito☸Dutta 12:21, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, User:Titodutta. Can you go back to the #Dispute resolution section and let me know how that's working out for you? :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:33, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Namaste, Moonriddengirl, I have not participated in DRN so far. WP India related issues take all my time and energy. Could you please suggest how could I participate in DRN discussions? --Tito☸Dutta 23:16, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

There is a recommendation in that section, User:Titodutta, which could be a good way to start. :) If there's no active 3Os, you can also try pitching in at any of the active noticeboards listed at WP:DR. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:55, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

• There is one open discussion at DRN now on War of the Pacific. I'll keep on checking the page --Tito☸Dutta 14:15, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Questions

OTRS application

My last OTRS application was unsuccessful as well. Looks like I am going to make a Guinness Book record "Wikipedia editor with maximum number of unsuccessful OTRS application". I am unable to understand where I am doing wrong. Their typical answer is "we have better candidates. . ." Plus, will these somehow affect the upcoming RFA? --Tito☸Dutta 21:49, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't know why it would, User:Titodutta - OTRS membership is an entirely different thing based on different assessment criteria. However, as an OTRS volunteer, I would say that if you're interested in helping out at OTRS, you might find it helpful to spend more time at dispute resolution, especially at WP:BLPN and WP:COIN. That's good for both purposes - demonstrating your deep familiarity with policy and its application and your ability to mediate tricky disputes. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 10:48, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you very much. I'll concentrate there. --Tito☸Dutta 18:55, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

• I have started participating in WP:COIN. --Tito☸Dutta 15:33, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Probably wiki-break once again

Moonriddengirl, it is surprising that everytime I resume this coaching, some real-life issues come forwards. I have been suffering for fever and facing some difficulties in job (probably going to lose it). I have applied for a couple of jobs, one from a job-search site, and another of a "remote Wikimedia community advocate". Let's see how it goes. A couple of events in Wikipedia recently are making me too tensed (i.e. too much mental pressure) as well. --Tito☸Dutta 00:48, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I'm so sorry that you're having difficulties, User:Titodutta. :( This was done entirely to offer you advice on how to prepare for adminship if and when you wished to seek it. There is absolutely no rush here. It's just for you. Good luck with your job search. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:37, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikireader's subpage

Namaste Moonriddengirl, as you know almost all Wikipedians start their Wiki-life as readers. As you are very much familiar with Wiki policies and guidelines, could you tell me, am I permitted to create a subpage like "/Reading" with some references and details of the Wiki-articles I am reading. Clearly speaking, these may not have any relation with my Wiki-editing, I may never edit those pages, but these will help to track my readings.
If you use Google Books, you probably know about "My Library" etc. option. Any idea? Regards.--Tito☸Dutta 07:44, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

This probably belongs on my talk page, not so much here, as it's not related to adminship. :) In accordance with Wikipedia:User pages, I don't see the harm, User:Titodutta, as long as you fully attribute the content you copy. We are permitted "A small and proportionate amount of suitable unrelated material", specifically including quotations. However, you would not wish to mirror whole articles, per Wikipedia:Subpages, which forbids "Using subpages for permanent content that is meant to be part of the encyclopedia." Listing articles and quoting from them is fine. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:35, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Please add recent discussions here including the two or three or three on Mr. Stradivorious' talk pages

RFA

Hello, the process has started here Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Titodutta. Following what you told me, I have not mentioned about you or this admin coaching page anywhere in my answers or statements so far. Regards. --Tito☸Dutta 20:57, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh! Good luck, User:Titodutta. :) I don't recall asking you not to mention me or this page; you're certainly welcome to do so if you like and especially if you feel it will be useful to you in helping people evaluate your preparation. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:15, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

CSD

Hello MRG, in my RFA, few users have pointed out that I need to do more studies before starting works in WP:CSD area. That was not an area where I was trying to foucs right now.
I am eager to take some admin coach on it after 19 Jan (even if I fail in this RFA). Possible? Regards. --Tito☸Dutta 15:51, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Admin

I am feeling glad to inform you that I am a Wikipedia administrator now. Regards. --Tito Dutta (talk) 21:33, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

2 questions

1. An editor blanks his sandbox article, another editor tags with G7. Does it come under G7 (such as this? IMO, it is absolutely ok for an editor to blank his sandbox article.
2. A new editor, with 10-15 edits, writes a paragraph like this on his userpage

ABC is from San Francisco. He is 14 years old. He loves ice cream. He likes to read books also. He is a member of 3 libraries. (and a couple of more sentences)"

An editor tags the page U5. Is it a misuse of Wikipedia as a web host? --Tito Dutta (talk) 05:23, 17 August 2016 (UTC)