User:Muffin Wizard/SAP

Well.. With the continuous Filipino media heating up the Sabah claim, this also have heating up our Sabahan natives ears about this claim.. Here we point out why Sabah ARE NOT and SHOULD NOT BE part of the Philippines..

1) Bruneian Empire

Hah'ah, before the Sultanate of Sulu managed to exercised control over parts of Borneo. Do you know that the territory of the Sulu Sultanate^[1] include the whole Borneo until the present-day Manila are once under the control of Bruneian Empire during the reign of Bolkiah^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]^[7]^[8]^[9] before parts of it been ceded to Sulu after a civil war that happened in Brunei? But still, the cede to Sulu is still disputable!^[10]

2) Baseless greedy claim maps

Heh, have you see any map ([1], [2]) about the present Sulu Sultanate claim been released on media? Well, that is a total fake map released by some irresponsible people who even did not know the history of Sabah. Even since my late grandfather still alive, he told me that not the whole territory of the present-day Sabah are once part of the Sultanate of Sulu. I tried to find out this story on British libraries and I found out that the western part (as supported by British North Borneo administration source) are under the control of the Bruneian Empire. So the real border of the administration of the Sulu Sultanate is only from Pandassan River in Kota Marudu district to Sibuco (Sibuku) River in Tawau district (not like been told by some stupid greedy old men fake Sultans from the Sulu Archipelago).

3) Slavery cultures

Well, you know what are the culture of this Sultanate once ago until now? Kidnapping, murdering and slavery.. See Moro attacks on Borneo..

4) Madrid Protocol between Spain, British and German

Another important events is when the Spanish have exercised their powers in the Philippines archipelago. The Sultanate cannot even trade with other traders when the Spanish impose their blockade over the Sulu Archipelago and the Spanish continue to wage war freely against the Sultanate after the signing of the treaty with the two westerners powers in return to not intervene British possession in Borneo.

5) Sultanate of Sulu lost to the American and the abolishment of powers

Uhh, so after a big war with Spanish, and finally the American and Japanese, Sulu suffered a massive casualties and lost its slavery powers.

6) Many fake Sultans?

Just look at the list of the claimants. Who is the real sultan? According to the law of Sultan, if he doesn't have any son or brothers to inherit his power, it will be totally lost when he died.^[13] Plus the Sulu Sultanate also have been abolished.

7) Bad Filipino Moro cultures been brought to Sabah by Filipino Moro refugees

So, when we provide you protection from the war in the Southern Philippines, you disturb our peoples, doing crimes and spread your Rido cultures here as a return?

8) Uncontrolled gun law in the Philippines

How you can achieve peace if everyone have a gun? When a fight broke out (even just a small one) people will shoot each other and some innocent peoples will died. Just like the Rido cultures.. Please, we in Sabah have a strict firearms law, if the authorities find out that normal peoples other than security forces have a firearms, you could be facing a death penalty. Well, life is much better without firearms, we have live peacefully here since a long time ago and not so many cases involving firearms accidents here.

9) Beggars, beggars everywhere

My father have visited and lived in the Philippines for 1 year during Marcos in power. You know what he found out when arriving in Manila? Nothing more than kids beggars. But yeah it is quite annoying when you help one then come another more beggars that forced you to give some money. While in Sabah, we already have enough of this mostly from Filipino Moro refugees!! We don't want our lovely state to be infiltrated by beggars!!

10) Uncontrolled populations

Woahhh, 100,000,000+ populations in the Philippines but high poverty!? Just keep having sex and make babies but did not taking care them, even we have 3 million populations in Sabah (mostly illegal immigrants from Philippines and Indonesia) already gives us headache here. What more with those gargantuan populations!? Just imagine if Sabah are part of the Philippines and half of the populations move here.. -_- Should take an example from the bigger Chinese to control excessive birth, see One-child policy..

11) Slowest internet in Southeast Asia

OH MY GOD! Having an expensive 8mbps internet already makes me angry. What more if have internet slowest than this. -_-

12) Possible fighting between Christian and Muslim in Sabah

Well, this could be broke out anytime in Sabah if this state was under the control of the Philippines. Just look how the Philippine Government treat the Moro Muslim (see Jabidah massacre) when they don't want to attack their fellow Muslim relatives in Sabah. Sooo cruel, no peace at all..

13) Greedy militant leaders such as Nur Misuari and many more and possible becoming a terrorist breeding grounds..

Huh, some of these stupid militants only know to cause chaos. They are not sincerely fighting for the peace of their peoples.

14) Loss of autonomy (from state to province?)

and... this is the most unacceptable if we become part of the Philippines. Sabah will lost its autonomy on controlling the immigration and other autonomies in land titles. To my fellow Sabahan, do you want this to happen? You did not know "state" have a much better level than "province" just like most states in the United States? For serious, I am rather vote to separate as a country like Singapore or Brunei rather than merge with the Philippines who can't even solve its own citizen problems.

15) Sarawak part of Bangsamoro lands?

HAHAHA! and this is the most sh*ttest propaganda from Mother Needs (Long+Lasting) Fuck bandit group we ever heard. Never in history the Moro people set foot to administer Sarawak or exercised power into Sarawak land. From this, we already know how greedy they are.. If Misuari come to Sarawak, his head must already been chopped by the Dayak headhunters of Sarawak. Didn't read what happen in Kalimantan before, when some outsider disturbing peace on Dayak lands (Sampit conflict, Sambas riots and Tarakan riot).

but from all of these mess.. I like the quotation by the Philippines media of Manila Standard dated 13 August 1988 which said; "But have our leader thought that an independent state of Sabah — independent from Malaysia and the Philippines — could be the more sensible solution? We are willing to forget about our historical ties with Sabah (it was part of the flourishing Sultanate of Sulu at the turn of the century) provided it will become a sovereign nation itself and will not remain a surrogate of Malaysia, like Brunei or Singapore". [3]

Yeah, even I like the quote, but still there is more nonsense by Manila Standard especially on this;

"I was surprised to hear some Labuanons say that they wished they were part of the Philippines." [4]

Haha, seriously? I have many relatives on the island and I can be sure to you that NEVER Labuanian citizens wish like that. That must be Filipino illegal immigrants who hiding as a locals. Didn't ever heard there is a number of illegal Filipinos in Labuan? and didn't you realise the majority of Labuanians come from what race? BRUNEIANS!, for sure they don't want to be part of Philippines but want to be part of BRUNEI instead! So keep your irredentist dreams on your pants.

Citation? Here it is..

^ Ring, Trudy; Salkin, Robert M; La Boda, Sharon (January 1996). International Dictionary of Historic Places: Asia and Oceania. Taylor & Francis. pp. 160–. ISBN 978-1-884964-04-6.
^ Graham Saunders (5 November 2013). A History of Brunei. Taylor & Francis. pp. 23 & 60. ISBN 978-1-136-87401-7.
^ Frans Welman (1 August 2013). Borneo Trilogy Brunei: Vol 1. Booksmango. pp. 8–. ISBN 978-616-222-235-1.
^ David Lea; Colette Milward (2001). A Political Chronology of South-East Asia and Oceania. Psychology Press. pp. 16–. ISBN 978-1-85743-117-9.
^ Patricia Herbert; Anthony Crothers Milner (1989). South-East Asia: Languages and Literatures : a Select Guide. University of Hawaii Press. pp. 99–. ISBN 978-0-8248-1267-6.
^ Nigel Hicks (2007). The Philippines. New Holland Publishers. pp. 34–. ISBN 978-1-84537-663-5.
^ Peter Church (3 February 2012). A Short History of South-East Asia. John Wiley & Sons. pp. 16–. ISBN 978-1-118-35044-7.
^ Harun Abdul Majid (15 August 2007). Rebellion in Brunei: The 1962 Revolt, Imperialism, Confrontation and Oil. I.B.Tauris. pp. 2 & 4. ISBN 978-1-84511-423-7.
^ Eur (2002). The Far East and Australasia 2003. Psychology Press. pp. 203–. ISBN 978-1-85743-133-9.
^ ^a ^b Rozan Yunos (7 March 2013). "Sabah and the Sulu claims". The Brunei Times. Archived from the original on 17 June 2014. Retrieved 20 September 2013.
^ "British North Borneo company charter (page 4)". OpenLibrary.org. 1878. Retrieved 16 March 2013.
^ Rozan Yunos (21 September 2008). "How Brunei lost its northern province". The Brunei Times. Archived from the original on 17 June 2014. Retrieved 28 October 2013.
^ "Why 'Sultan' is dreaming". Daily Express. 27 March 2013. Retrieved 27 March 2013.

[RingSalkin1996-1] Ring, Trudy; Salkin, Robert M; La Boda, Sharon (January 1996). International Dictionary of Historic Places: Asia and Oceania. Taylor & Francis. pp. 160–. ISBN 978-1-884964-04-6.

[2] Graham Saunders (5 November 2013). A History of Brunei. Taylor & Francis. pp. 23 & 60. ISBN 978-1-136-87401-7.

[3] Frans Welman (1 August 2013). Borneo Trilogy Brunei: Vol 1. Booksmango. pp. 8–. ISBN 978-616-222-235-1.

[4] David Lea; Colette Milward (2001). A Political Chronology of South-East Asia and Oceania. Psychology Press. pp. 16–. ISBN 978-1-85743-117-9.

[5] Patricia Herbert; Anthony Crothers Milner (1989). South-East Asia: Languages and Literatures : a Select Guide. University of Hawaii Press. pp. 99–. ISBN 978-0-8248-1267-6.

[6] Nigel Hicks (2007). The Philippines. New Holland Publishers. pp. 34–. ISBN 978-1-84537-663-5.

[7] Peter Church (3 February 2012). A Short History of South-East Asia. John Wiley & Sons. pp. 16–. ISBN 978-1-118-35044-7.

[rebellion-8] Harun Abdul Majid (15 August 2007). Rebellion in Brunei: The 1962 Revolt, Imperialism, Confrontation and Oil. I.B.Tauris. pp. 2 & 4. ISBN 978-1-84511-423-7.

[9] Eur (2002). The Far East and Australasia 2003. Psychology Press. pp. 203–. ISBN 978-1-85743-133-9.

[note1-10] Rozan Yunos (7 March 2013). "Sabah and the Sulu claims". The Brunei Times. Archived from the original on 17 June 2014. Retrieved 20 September 2013.

[11] "British North Borneo company charter (page 4)". OpenLibrary.org. 1878. Retrieved 16 March 2013.

[12] Rozan Yunos (21 September 2008). "How Brunei lost its northern province". The Brunei Times. Archived from the original on 17 June 2014. Retrieved 28 October 2013.

[13] "Why 'Sultan' is dreaming". Daily Express. 27 March 2013. Retrieved 27 March 2013.

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