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Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota C Transmission (February 21)

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Jamiebuba (talk) 06:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Reliable source: I’m a Toyota Master Tech and this info is directly from Toyota documents. They’re not accessible to the public so I can’t link them as sources. 12DionneJ (talk) 13:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota TX-Series Transmission (February 21)

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Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:05, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota C Transmission (February 21)

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S0091 (talk) 18:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota TX-Series Transmission (February 21)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Jeraxmoira was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:50, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello. This falls under the "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists" section of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability

This is not a controversial subject requiring multiple sources. All info is directly from Toyota regarding their transmission. It is in its own page because it does not match any other Toyota Transmission Series. 12DionneJ (talk) 20:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

A suggestion

At some point the articles about Toyota transmissions (along with others) will most likely be deleted unless they are brought up to current notability standards. You might want to check out Wikiapha which does not have strict guidelines to at least to save off the information somewhere so its not lost. You can probably copy/import directly from Wikipedia as long as you give the appropriate attribution (see Wikipedia:FAQ/Forking). Also consider Wikidata as an option. S0091 (talk) 21:11, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

They fall under the "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists" section of Wikipedia:Notability. 12DionneJ (talk) 20:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota G Transmission (February 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Encoded were: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Encoded Talk to me! 08:19, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

To say that Toyota as a source isn't a reliable source when they're the ones creating the transmissions is asinine. Also, this falls under the "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists" section of Wikipedia:Notability. 12DionneJ (talk) 20:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota TX-Series Transmission (February 22)

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Encoded Talk to me! 08:21, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

To say that Toyota as a source isn't a reliable source when they're the ones creating the transmissions is asinine. Also, this falls under the "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists" section of Wikipedia:Notability. 12DionneJ (talk) 20:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota C Transmission (February 22)

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Encoded Talk to me! 08:23, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

To say that Toyota as a source isn't a reliable source when they're the ones creating the transmissions is asinine. Also, this falls under the "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists" section of Wikipedia:Notability. 12DionneJ (talk) 20:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota H-Series Transmission (February 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Johannes Maximilian was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 13:28, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

To say that Toyota as a source isn't a reliable source when they're the ones creating the transmissions is asinine. Also, this falls under the "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists" section of Wikipedia:Notability. 12DionneJ (talk) 20:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Toyota transmissions

Thank you for you many additions to the existing Toyota transmission article. However, all of these additions can be deleted at any time due to lack of supporting references - see WP:FACT and WP:RS. Since you are obviously getting your information from somewhere, can you add in your sources. Beware that these have to be from reliable sources, should not be from user generated sources (eg fan sites, see WP:USERGENERATED) and preferably not from primary sources (eg Toyota). Third part sources are usually preferred.  Stepho  talk  21:37, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

How is the company that physically makes the product not a good source? This isn't a controversial topic or discussion. These are hard facts that have to come from the builder of said product. All of my info is from Toyota TIS directly. The general public does not have access to this information which is why it has been organized here after combing through hundred of Toyota documents. 12DionneJ (talk) 21:47, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

I know, it sucks. But not using primary sources is mostly to avoid things like a manufacturers claiming that their car has 400 kW when it really has 250 kW or can do 0-100 km/h in 4 seconds when it really takes 8 seconds. Over zealous marketing often has a positive effect on sales so it happens far too often. So the WP rule is to try to avoid primary sources when other sources exist. For articles like these transmission articles this is real hard because books and the like usually don't list the gearboxes used. But since that is the official rule, some editors will use it to delete articles such as ours. Use the Toyota manuals, parts lists etc as reference but beware that we may have to defend later on.  Stepho  talk  23:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

They’re already refusing to approve the articles based on bullshit reasoning to begin with. I created articles for the C series, H series, TX series, and G series transmissions because they were missing from the listings. 12DionneJ (talk) 23:27, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you recently removed maintenance templates from Wikipedia. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Please see Help:Maintenance template removal for further information on when maintenance templates should or should not be removed. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been reverted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Thank you. Leafy46 (talk) 21:47, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 15:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Editors should learn to use their brains then. 12DionneJ (talk) 15:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Theroadislong (talk) 15:20, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

They should do the same then. My statement was pretty self explanatory. Stupid comments aren't tolerated. 12DionneJ (talk) 15:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make personal attacks on other people. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. S0091 (talk) 15:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I did not make a personal attack. /thread 12DionneJ (talk) 15:40, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Draft:Toyota G Transmission, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 16:29, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Your rejection of the article does not appear constructive, and has been ignored. 12DionneJ (talk) 16:31, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove maintenance templates from Wikipedia articles without resolving the problem that the template refers to, as you did at Draft:Toyota G Transmission. Theroadislong (talk) 16:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

The problem has been resolve. \thread 12DionneJ (talk) 16:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. 331dot (talk) 16:42, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I have started a discussion with an admin. Thank You 12DionneJ (talk) 16:43, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I am an admin, but okay. 331dot (talk) 18:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota C Transmission (February 22)

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331dot (talk) 22:07, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Quite the contrary, this is exactly what Wikipedia is for. It's a free Encyclopedia and this is encyclopedic knowledge about these transmissions, their specific gear ratios, and the vehicles that use them. 12DionneJ (talk) 22:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota G Transmission (February 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by WikiDan61 were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 22:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

The article falls under the rules pertaining to the "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists" and the "Manual of Styles/Lists:Purposes of Lists" guidelines and should be approved as such. 12DionneJ (talk) 22:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota TX-Series Transmission (February 22)

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WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 22:12, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

The reliable source is the company that built the product. Claiming that's not a reliable source is asinine. A primary source is always more accurate than a secondary source regarding incontrovertible facts. 12DionneJ (talk) 22:34, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

The article falls under the rules pertaining to the "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists" and the "Manual of Styles/Lists:Purposes of Lists" guidelines. 12DionneJ (talk) 22:35, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota H-Series Transmission (February 23)

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S0091 (talk) 21:36, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

The article falls under the rules pertaining to the "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists" and the "Manual of Styles/Lists:Purposes of Lists" guidelines. 12DionneJ (talk) 14:40, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota TX-Series Transmission (February 26)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Theroadislong (talk) 14:53, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

The article falls under the rules pertaining to the "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists" and the "Manual of Styles/Lists:Purposes of Lists" guidelines. It is derived from the page "List of Toyota Transmissions". This article simply added details regarding items from that list. 12DionneJ (talk) 15:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

No it doesn't, just because you have added a topic to a list doesn't mean we need an article about it? Theroadislong (talk) 15:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes it does. This has been going on for the past 2 decades regarding this topic. It properly divides the subject so as to not clutter up the list with additional info. 12DionneJ (talk) 15:12, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, 12DionneJ. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 14:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

There is zero conflict of interest here. I do not work for the manufacturer of this product. 12DionneJ (talk) 15:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota G Transmission (February 26)

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Theroadislong (talk) 15:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

The article falls under the rules pertaining to the "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists" and the "Manual of Styles/Lists:Purposes of Lists" guidelines. It is derived from the page "List of Toyota Transmissions". This article simply added details regarding items from that list. 12DionneJ (talk) 15:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota G Transmission (February 26)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:55, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Previous explanation still stands. 12DionneJ (talk) 16:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

The article falls under the rules pertaining to the "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists" and the "Manual of Styles/Lists:Purposes of Lists" guidelines. It is derived from the page "List of Toyota Transmissions". This article simply added details regarding items from that list. 12DionneJ (talk) 16:08, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota TX-Series Transmission (February 26)

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:59, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Previous explanation still stands. 12DionneJ (talk) 16:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

The article falls under the rules pertaining to the "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists" and the "Manual of Styles/Lists:Purposes of Lists" guidelines. It is derived from the page "List of Toyota Transmissions". This article simply added details regarding items from that list. 12DionneJ (talk) 16:08, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I think you will find that you have miss-understood that guideline. Theroadislong (talk) 16:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I have not. In addition, there are other articles that branch off from that list that I cited that have existed for 2 decades and have been updated repeatedly without issue from moderators. My articles are structured the exact same way. 12DionneJ (talk) 16:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Pinging those who have declined/commented on this draft to let them know it's been moved to main space: @Sungodtemple, @Jeraxmoira, @S0091, @Encoded, @WikiDan61, @Theroadislong, @DoubleGrazing. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I believe they are in the process of moving all them to article, which they can do but will likely either be moved back to draft or nominated for deletion. S0091 (talk) 17:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Not much point in moving them back to drafts, given that they've been rejected and there is nothing to suggest that the sourcing will be improved. I expect AfD is the next stop, ideally as a group. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

There is zero reason for deletion. They are properly sourced via the manufacturer that makes the product. Gear Ratios and the applications for these transmissions is not something you can argue that a manufacturer is "juicing" the numbers like a horsepower or MPG rating. They are inarguable facts. 12DionneJ (talk) 17:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

That "They are properly sourced via the manufacturer that makes the product" is irrelevant, we have no interest in what the manufacturer says, Wikipedia articles are based on independent sources, if there are no such sources then we don't have an article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate list of products. Theroadislong (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

This a continuation of a list and article structure that has long been established from before any of you were editors or admins on Wikipedia. 12DionneJ (talk) 17:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@Theroadislong I have also listed external sources. 12DionneJ (talk) 17:48, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota TX-Series Transmission (February 26)

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by Theroadislong was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: re-submitted and declined multiple times with zero improvement.

Theroadislong (talk) 16:17, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyota G Transmission (February 26)

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: Yet again resubmitted without any improvement. Based on that and the multiple previous declines, I can only conclude that better sources are not available. Therefore, to avoid further reviewer time being expended on this draft, I am now rejecting rather than merely declining it.

The option to publish this regardless of course remains available to editors with sufficient permissions.

DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

COI?

You mentioned above that you are a 'Toyota Master Tech'. Does this mean you work for/related to Toyota in any capacity? Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 17:43, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@Jeraxmoira I am not employed by Toyota, the manufacturer. I am employed by a dealership. I have zero say in any of the information I have provided in my articles. 12DionneJ (talk) 17:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

In addition, I simply work on the vehicles as they come in for maintenance or repairs. 12DionneJ (talk) 17:53, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Being employed by a Toyota dealership would suggest a very strong conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 18:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

again, the dealership is not owned by the company, Toyota. I am not an employee of Toyota. 12DionneJ (talk) 18:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

As a Toyota Master Tech, I believe you work for a dealership that exclusively sells Toyota cars. Before you continue editing articles related to Toyota, please review WP:EXTERNALREL and disclose WP:COI. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 18:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

again, the dealership is not owned by the company, Toyota. I am not an employee of Toyota. 12DionneJ (talk) 18:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

This is not a conflict of interest because I do not have any authority within the company, Toyota. I do not work for Toyota. 12DionneJ (talk) 18:21, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

You unquestionably have a conflict of interest that you need to disclose. 331dot (talk) 18:23, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Note that due to the COI I have draftified Draft:Toyota TX-Series Transmission. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:43, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@331dot You might need to refresh yourself with the definition of COI. I have no say or stake in any of the information I provide in the articles. My employment is irrelevant to this information. If you want to get technical, I currently do not work with any regards to Toyota. I work at a state college. I won't be back in the dealership world til the beginning of May. 12DionneJ (talk) 18:47, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Please do not remove COI tags from articles and disclose your COI. I understand that you aren't being employed by Toyota but rather a dealership of Toyota. Even if you aren't employed by Toyota itself but rather a dealership, you still have a conflict of interest, so please disclose by placing {{UserboxCOI|1=Wikipedia article name}}, replacing "Wikipedia article name" with whatever article you are COI editing. Thanks. User3749 (talk) 18:42, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

There is no conflict of interest. I have zero say or stake in any of the information I have provided. That is a false narrative with zero evidence to back it up. 12DionneJ (talk) 18:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Then why did you claim you were a "Toyota Master Tech" above? Like doesn't that imply you have an COI? User3749 (talk) 18:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@User3749 Someone at the dealership level that has independent ownership, has no input to the manufacturing processes that the International Corporation, Toyota, carries out. 12DionneJ (talk) 18:48, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Even though you don't have a say in the information from a company standpoint, you do have an interest in it being added to the Wikipedia if you're working as a Toyota Master Tech. That is COI as well, WP:COI says "Any external relationship can trigger a conflict of interest." Encoded Talk to me! 18:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

You do not need have "input to the manufacturing processes" in order to have a conflict of interest, you could be sweeping the floor there but STILL have a conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 18:56, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@Theroadislong A COI implies that I have something to gain. I don't have anything to gain by posting this information. 12DionneJ (talk) 18:59, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

A COI does not necessarily involve personal gain, that would be paid editing. 331dot (talk) 19:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

No, paid editing would involve getting paid to edit. The literal definition as cited by wikipedia "involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships." I'm not doing any of those. 12DionneJ (talk) 20:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

The first line of WP:COI states "Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships." You work with the technology you are editing about, in an establishment whose business is in part repairing vehicles manufactured by the company with parts manufactured by the same company. If you worked at an independent repair shop, there might not be an issue here, but you don't/didn't. Four editors have told you that this is a conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 20:40, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Again, the relationship is not one of influence. There is no conflict. The material I'm covering is not objective. I'm not sure what y'all are misunderstanding. I own my own repair shop and teach college automotive. I won't start working for a dealership again until May. 12DionneJ (talk) 20:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Please explain to me how this supposed conflict of interest would influence my writings on the topic. 12DionneJ (talk) 20:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

COI is not just about actual COI, it's about the perception that it could impact neutral point of view. 331dot (talk) 20:56, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

There is NO point of view. Stating the gear ratios of transmissions and applications in which they are used has zero nuance or bias to it. Have you even looked at any of the articles? 12DionneJ (talk) 23:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I looked at your lists of information; articles should not merely list technical specifications. That's what numerous editors have told you, but you declined to listen. 331dot (talk) 23:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

This article structure has existed on Wikipedia longer than any of the individuals commenting on it have been a part of Wikipedia 12DionneJ (talk) 01:19, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

If that's true- and I'm not saying it is- consensus can change, so the mere fact that something has been present for a long time is a poor argument. What was once accepted may be no longer. Also see WP:NOTDIRECTORY, specifically number 1; "Simple listings without contextual information showing encyclopedic merit." 331dot (talk) 01:28, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

The application of each transmission is the contextual information 12DionneJ (talk) 02:19, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

@Encoded My interest for it being added to Wikipedia is that of an automotive enthusiast. I have used several Toyota wiki pages throughout my life when I didn't have access to any additional documents. Everything from looking up the year range for a specific model, to the engines available in that vehicle, as well as transmissions. I used wikipedia pages to help me accomplish the task of awd swapping my 2006 Scion tC when I was first starting out in the automotive field. That was before I was ever an employee of a Toyota dealership. 12DionneJ (talk) 18:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

There is no strict disclosure requirement, just a recommendation, unless WP:PAID applies. {{COI}}, like any article tag, should ideally be about the content and not the contributor(s). Its documentation reflects this pretty unambiguously. So: If there are issues with the article, including neutrality issues, please point these out – perhaps {{POV}}, {{cn}} or a similar template can help – or fix them by removing promotional or badly sourced material. If there are severe neutrality concerns, these should be discussed at WP:AfD rather than in a move war from and to draftspace. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm asking here instead of using the article talk page because we have many editors following the discussion in 12DionneJ's talk page.

ToBeFree: What are the appropriate guidelines that the Toyota TX-Series Transmission and Toyota G Transmission need to meet in order to avoid deletion from the main space? Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 20:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jeraxmoira,

Thanks for asking. As you're a new page reviewer, the following is mostly for 12DionneJ and won't surprise you – WP:42. Of course, this is an oversimplification, but it does a pretty good job at getting the main idea across. Also, to answer your question technically, "becoming a redirect" perhaps? But that should happen through AfD as there will very likely be disagreement about this.

There was an attempt to create a notability guideline for vehicles, but that's a draft/essay and nothing official. WP:NPRODUCT exists as a section of the company notability guideline, though. And where that doesn't help, WP:GNG does of course. Significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. It just has to exist; mentioning such coverage in a deletion discussion is fine. It doesn't strictly have to be present within the article to count. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:01, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024

Hi 12DionneJ! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of Toyota C Transmission several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree at Talk:Toyota C Transmission, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Specifically, you should be discussing at Talk:Toyota C Transmission#COI tag (February 2024) rather than edit-warring, thanks. 184.152.68.190 (talk) 19:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I am the creator of the page. 12DionneJ (talk) 19:02, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

That's not relevant, see WP:OWN. What is relevant is WP:EW and WP:3RR, I suggest you read both those pages before continuing to edit. 184.152.68.190 (talk) 19:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

A false accusation has been made with zero verifiable proof. I have removed that false accusation. They should stop repeating that incorrect information within my post. 12DionneJ (talk) 19:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

The tag on the page is not an accusation as such but rather an indicator that the article needs maintenance attention, further there is no applicable exemption from WP:3RR that covers this. 184.152.68.190 (talk) 19:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

To add to this, you are now in violation of WP:3RR at both Toyota G Transmission and Toyota C Transmission please self-revert. 184.152.68.190 (talk) 19:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Blame the individual that is reverting after their false claims have been corrected. 12DionneJ (talk) 19:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

You are the one that violated WP:3RR, not them. I don't want to sound menacing, but if you do not self-revert an WP:ANEW will likely be filed and you will be blocked, it really is that simple. 184.152.68.190 (talk) 19:08, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

They are reverting back to their claim after committing Vandalism. That is not on me. 12DionneJ (talk) 19:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

As I said you have violated WP:3RR not anyone else, just you. Please self-revert so you can avoid being blocked. 184.152.68.190 (talk) 19:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm not going to revert a false statement about me. 12DionneJ (talk) 19:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Adding a COI tag (a valid one, which you have been denying) isn't vandalism. Plus, being the creator of that page doesn't mean that you can assert ownership of that article. User3749 (talk) 06:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Note, this falls under vandalism. 12DionneJ (talk) 19:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

It does not, please read WP:VAND. While your mistake is a common one made by newcomers, our internal definition of vandalism is deliberately quite narrow. 184.152.68.190 (talk) 19:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

It applies as it is "inserting obvious nonsense into a page" 12DionneJ (talk) 19:10, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

That is not correct, see WP:NONSENSE which also has a narrow definition on Wikipedia. 184.152.68.190 (talk) 19:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Reading back thru the definition, it falls under "Reverting to Vandalism". "Reverting edits to the latest revisions that are nonsense, promotional, personal attacks, and/or harassment (except for when done by mistake)." It is a personal attack. 12DionneJ (talk) 19:19, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Please review WP:NPA to see what falls and does not fall under that policy. Sadly I have now had to file an WP:ANEW. I urge you again to self-revert before you are blocked. 184.152.68.190 (talk) 19:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

And again, I'm not going to revert a false statement about me. 12DionneJ (talk) 20:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Please see my 19:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC) message above. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. 184.152.68.190 (talk) 19:20, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

This is unnecessary, given there has already been a report at WP:AIV and the pages have already been protected. I have removed the report for now. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see the AIV report, which strikes me as over the top given existing information. I agree that the articles should be sent to AFD not move-warred over. 184.152.68.190 (talk) 19:31, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 20:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Toyota TX-Series Transmission for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Toyota TX-Series Transmission is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toyota TX-Series Transmission until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Theroadislong (talk) 21:24, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Toyota C Transmission for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Toyota C Transmission is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toyota C Transmission until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Theroadislong (talk) 08:19, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Toyota G Transmission for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Toyota G Transmission is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toyota G Transmission until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Theroadislong (talk) 08:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Toyota H-Series Transmission for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Toyota H-Series Transmission is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toyota H-Series Transmission until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Theroadislong (talk) 08:23, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for persistently making disruptive edits.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Bbb23 (talk) 17:04, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

What? I'm defending my articles in the "Articles for Deletion" discussion page like I was told to. 12DionneJ (talk) 17:06, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

@Bbb23 Why am I blocked from editing when I was specifically told to post within the "Article for deletion" page for my articles instead of within their respective "Talk" pages? 12DionneJ (talk) 17:08, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Just doing what @331dot told me to do 12DionneJ (talk) 17:10, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

@Theroadislong ??? 12DionneJ (talk) 17:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

It seems you were blocked for "disruptive editing, including creating non-notable articles and bypassing WP:AFC, WP:BATTLEGROUND, personal attacks, WP:NOTHERE and possible WP:UPE. Theroadislong (talk) 17:31, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Which is BS. I was defending my articles in the appropriate discussion pages. 12DionneJ (talk) 17:40, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

@331dot it won't let me reply to you comment so I'll do so here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Toyota_TX-Series_Transmission

You said to comment in the main discussion page instead of the TALK page 12DionneJ (talk) 17:59, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

I was not belligerent whatsoever in my responses on the discussion pages, nor did I attack anyone. 12DionneJ (talk) 17:59, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

February 27 2024

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

12DionneJ (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I'm defending my articles in the "Articles for Deletion" discussion page like I was told to do by @331dot Taking away someone's ability defend to themselves and their work is pretty fascist.12DionneJ (talk) 17:28, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Continued demonstration of battleground behaviour, even in this request.Ponyo^{bons mots} 20:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Please provide the diff where I said that. I recall saying that if you think that the numerous more experienced reviewers were wrong that AFC is usually a voluntary process and you could roll the dice and move the drafts yourself. I didn't promise it would end well, nor did I tell you to be belligerent. 331dot (talk) 17:46, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• I've revoked TPA for the fascist comment in the unblock request.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• If you e-mail me again, I will disable it.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• E-mail disabled.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

UTRS appeal #85521

is declined. --Yamla (talk) 19:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

They did you dirty Dionne. Thanks for your effort at least. 2603:8081:4600:AC47:F1B3:EB3B:E48D:CE76 (talk) 04:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)