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Welcome!

Hello, Afru, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Hi, Afru, I've merged your article Breeding stock to Selective breeding, as a section. I invite you to expand on that article! Since we have seperate articles on dog, cat, horse and plant breeding, we could consider a seperate article on Pig breeding (if that is your particular interest.) Thanks, Marasmusine 11:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Your COI report[edit]

Just dealing with the most important issue first, to find out how to have items removed from the history of a page you need to go to Wikipedia:Oversight. The rest of the questions will be answered in time. Pairadox (talk) 07:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


Hi, thank you very much for the advise; I am a new user; just learning --Afru (talk) 07:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)AFRU

In that case, let's get you a better set of links to help you find your way around. There's a lot of important information in these, so you'll want to be sure to read them. Pairadox (talk) 07:48, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


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Sourcing[edit]

Re Central Asian Shepherd Dog, note that it's a fundamental policy of Wikipedia that material is cited to reliable published sources. See WP:V and WP:RS. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 12:52, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I am a newbie to WIkipedia, and vast majority of sources are in Russian. Will do my best to clarify the issue. --Afru (talk) 16:48, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks also. Russian is fine as long as they're cited. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Central Asian Shepherd Dog[edit]

Re your message: You're welcome. Since I don't know much about this breed or dogs in general, I would recommend that you stop by the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Dogs. Perhaps editors there can assist you in expanding and fixing up the article. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

One suggestion I do have, and it's more of a style suggestion than a content suggestion, is to use the citation templates. They can be a little more cumbersome to use, but the nice thing about them is that automatically format the references for you in the {{Reflist}} section. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Dog Breed Groups[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Dog Breed Groups requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ukexpat (talk) 23:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


This is how one learns to use this template :)

Multiple single sentence articles on dogs[edit]

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Sheep dog[edit]

Information.svg Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Ros0709 (talk) 23:26, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


I am working on both pages at the moment. Please help by advising a siutable template for "dog breeds groups" as well as for "dog types". Thank you.

I may put my opinion on the discussion page instead, still will need a redirect. "Sheepdog" leads to misconclusions, while PASTORAL DOG is a term one can us to describe dogs that work with livestock, including sheep. The breeds listed in the article cannot be listed as "sheepdogs", because they are NOT. Please read on the subject. Thank you.

Your recent edits[edit]

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List of dog fighting breeds[edit]

You posted an AFD +tag and the result was to KEEP, now stop spamming the article or it will be considered vandalism. Chessy999 (talk) 02:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

See comments under Talk:List_of_dog_fighting_breeds and User_talk:Chessy999. --Afru (talk) 16:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Please, help[edit]

Re your message: I remember this issue. You are correct that this new IP is in the same geographic area as an IP used by the USACASNATIONAL/UKC CASSA/CASSA sockpuppet. However, they only had a few edits instead of a complete article replacement like the sockpuppets were doing. For now, I think your revert is fine. If the IP or similar IP returns, drop me another note and I will take another look.

On a somewhat related note, can you provide a English language reference for the country of origin? An English language reference would absolutely prevent anybody from changing it. I took a look at the FCI website, but I don't know enough about dog breeds to know if I am looking at the correct entry or not. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I hope, she is gone. I add materials in English to the article when I see new materials, and will look up for more. The worldwide recognized authority for this subject currently is FCI, and FCI recognizes one country of origin per one breed; CAO is listed as a breed of Russian origin on the FCI breed list. I do realize that the ancestors of this breed come from different countries, but they also commonly come under different names, and I started a list of those within the article, hoping that experts from those counties will continue the tread Thank you again, --Afru (talk) 17:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Dog contributions[edit]

Hi Afru,

Thanks for your edits to the Dog article. I saw that you rather substantively changed a statement without changing the reference. I don't have that book, so I could not confirm it. Can you confirm that the book referenced supports the statement you made. If so, why was it previously used to make a rather different statement? Thanks again! --Thesoxlost (talk) 16:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you :) I added "canine STD"s, i.e. the deseases the dogs can get from each other while mating. Logically, a sterilized dog has very slim chances to get STD; I will look up for references on the subject; about any book or article about dog venereal deceases will clarify how they transmit. I also removed questionable data such as "seven times". --Afru (talk) 16:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Afru, actually looking back over it, I see that you didn't substantively change it. I misread your changes. Whoops :). The only thing that was really removed was the "7 times" bit which, if correct, I assume applies only to mammary cancer? I'll try to salvage it by seeing if it applies to cancer of other reproductive organs as well; I guess I didn't question it, so I sorta liked that factoid. --Thesoxlost (talk) 17:27, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Thesoxlost :) thank you! I'd rather use a statement without figures, just because the stats vary from study to study. If one can word it somehow that spaying significantly decreases chances of reproductive organs deceases, without operating exact figures (or carefully using such :), than about any ref will prove it. Sterilization definitely prevents reproduction organs deceases, what is obvious: a male cannot get testicular cancer, if he has no testicles, and in this case all stats will match ). Speaking of most cases of cancer in dogs, there are several factors that can trigger it, and stats still will vary (from breed to breed, from country to country etc), regardless of sterilisation. --Afru (talk) 17:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
OK, you've convinced me; the article is better without the stat. Long live the stat. --Thesoxlost (talk) 20:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Central Asian Shepherd Dog[edit]

Re your message: I have fully protected the article for awhile and requested interested editors from Wikipedia:WikiProject Dogs to provide comments regarding the issue. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 01:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. It highly unlikely that they will know anything on the subject, anyhow: very few materials in English. Seemingly, attempts to "correct" the article to match certain advertisement, presenting dogs of this breed from another countries in a negative light --Zeezee1 (talk) 03:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you.--Afru (talk) 04:03, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of CASSA[edit]

For every category you create, you should specify parent categories to which it belongs. In the case of a category like this one, parent categories are provided automatically when you include a {{Sockpuppet category}} template. I've added the template.

I am a human being, not a bot, so you can contact me if you have questions about this. Best regards, --Stepheng3 (talk) 19:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your questions, but I'll take a shot at them.
{{Sockpuppet category}} goes on the category page, and {{sockpuppet}} goes on the user page.
The easiest way to create the new category is probably to add {{sockpuppet}} to the user page first, then click on the resulting redlink to go to the (non-existent) category. The template doesn't create page, you do that yourself when you click Save page after editing a non-existent category.
Does that help? --Stepheng3 (talk) 06:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I got it))) thanks a lot! --Afru (talk) 02:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Central Asian Shepherd Dog[edit]

I clicked onto your page and noticed you speak Russian as your native language, so I was wondering if you could help me out! I've ported the content of the Central Asian Shepherd Dog page into my userspace here and I spent most of last night rewriting it nearly from scratch with lots of reliable references (which seems to be something the article is missing). However I stripped out the Russian language references because I don't speak or read Russian (or, sadly, any language other than English). I was wondering if you would be willing to go through the Russian-language references on the main article and see which ones are reliable; and if any of them are, you have my permission to add them and any information you get out of them into the working copy of the article in my userspace if you'd like. My problem is that because I can't read the article, I can't get any information out of them, at all, other than terrible google translated versions.

Just looking at the titles of the articles, some of them look to be of questionable reliability, but as I can't actually read them I don't dare to lay judgement on them.--TKK bark ! 15:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Gladly! Thanks! Afru (talk) 16:46, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Reversed to summer version for right now. ALL the articles in Russian are reliable, we went through them several times. Will provide reliable information in English subject to its existence as well as try to be more descriptive; I do understand that the article needs corrections, but it must be written based on factual information, not on the one that looks reliable because it was printed somewhere. Will put together references for you; will also dig up for more materials in English. Will start with different names classification and modern breed history. Do not recall any reliable Ovtcharka or Soviet dog breeds history materials in English other than on Black Russian Terrier; will look up, and translate if I have to Afru (talk) 01:35, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


Tikuko , need your help and/or advice. We are lacking good breed representatives pictures in Wikimedia library. I will load some of mine, but there is a lot more. I asked the authors to download some, too complicated for them. I asked their permission to download their pictures, they replied " just take whatever you like , and put wherever you want". I downloaded their pictures, and they were removed due to copyright issues. Please advice what licence I shall use, and how I can download their pictures with their permission in their native languages, without copyright infringement. Also, there are old pictures from old books, without copyright of any kind, what licence is proper? Possibly, step by step guide? Planning to download several pictures, and tag them besides the breed name as "aboriginal", "show", "Red Star owned, born at ...year ", "tobet", etc, so we have a source of cross references.

Thanks!Afru (talk) 14:34, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

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