User talk:Carioca/2009
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AfD
Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peace Cup Redddogg (talk) 16:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
"world golf index" article...
I am user "wgiwiki" and publisher of the World Golf Index... I posted an article about the index some time ago... and apparently you have deleted this article on jan 7, 2009. Fundamentally, Why have you deleted this??! This World Golf Index was established in 2007 and is in its 3rd season, and the wiki article was posted for a long time... so why have you deleted it? Just because you may feel it is not relevant... or whatever? This does not mean that "it" doesnt exist because it does.
Do you "not" want me to use the wikipedia?
(The following is your "stated" criteria which the article obviously complied with, and also, the content has never been challenged by anyone, and probably never would be because all the article did was explain to an interested wiki user the simple facts of what the World Golf Index is): The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed.
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The fact that "you" have deleted this "factual" article is "in my opinion" really stepping over the line, and "not" in the spirit of "offering facts" to users, or an encyclopedia. (is "wikipedia" owned by "google"?.... deleting something without notification is something Google would do)
I would like the article undeleted or revived... whatever you do.
I can be contacted at: office@worldgolfindex.com
message dated: jan 26, 2009
White Brazilians
Hello,
Could you please take a look at the White Brazilians article and its Talk Page, especially concerning the behaviour of User:Opinoso there?
He seems to be intent on precluding other people, especially other Brazilians, from editing there (and in other Brazil-related articles).
Thank you, Ninguém (talk) 03:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Carioca, you know Opinoso. Could you please take a look at what he is doing in White Brazilian and its Talk Page? I have filled a complaint in WQA, but it seems that it's not working.
Thank you for your attention. Ninguém (talk) 03:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
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I notice that this category is unpopulated (empty). In other words, no Wikipedia pages belong to (are members of) it. If it remains unpopulated for four days, it may be deleted, without discussion, in accordance with Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#C1. I'm notifying you, the creator of the category, in case you wish to (re-)populate it by adding [[Category:Peace Cup]] to articles/categories that belong in it.
I have also blanked the category page. This will not, in itself, cause the category to be deleted. It serves to document (in the page history) that the category was empty at the time of blanking and also to alert other watchers that the category is in jeopardy. You are welcome to revert the blanking if you wish. However, doing so will not prevent deletion if the category remains empty.
If you created the category in error, or it is no longer needed, you can speed up the deletion process by tagging it with {{db-author}}.
--Stepheng3 (talk) 20:07, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Article deletion
I apologise what I put in was a mistake, I was trying to do a search and it didn't work, I am just trying to get to grips with the site. Thank you.--Preference, or Just Convenience? (talk) 23:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Pathetic Athletic ISC DELETION?
BenQFC4life (talk) 08:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi there,
I am extremely disappointed in regards to the "Pathetic Athletic ISC" wiki page being deleted. I, Chris Kyriacou, am a part of the Indoor Soccer Team, and I am also the creator of the page. What I ask is that you put the page back on, as I am extremely upset as is the rest of the team that you deleted the page without notice. The team is real, playing indoor soccer matches every tuesday night, and how exactly this page is vandalism comes to surprise me a lot. I will be writing a formal complaint against you if the page is not placed back on Wikipedia, as it is not breaking any rules; PAISC is a real indoor soccer team, and your untimely deletion of the page is simply not acceptable.
Thank You,
Chris Kyriacou (BenQFC4life)
RfA thanks
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RFA thanks
My RFA passed today at 61/5/4. Thanks for participating in my RFA. I appreciate all the comments I received and will endeavor to justify the trust the WP community has placed in me. Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 20:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC) | ![]() |
Darley Ramon Torres
Hi, you deleted this article after I PRODded it for failing WP:ATHLETE; however, further research shows the player made seven appearances for Clube Atlético Mineiro. Can you please restore the article without me having to take it to WP:DRV? Thanks, GiantSnowman 18:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks very much! GiantSnowman 18:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
A Barnstar for You!
The Cleanup Barnstar | ||
For your excellent work on Associação Olímpica de Itabaiana TNXMan 01:25, 31 May 2009 (UTC) |
Adriano
Hey, man. Would you please consider protecting Adriano's article? Check its history and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Cheers —Lesfer (t/c/@) 00:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello
Thank you very much for the kind welcome message. It sure was helpful. :-) Pedrovsky (talk) 00:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Brazuca adm
Olá, tudo bem? vi que você é um brazuca administrador aqui nesta Wikipédia :) Você poderia me informar como carregar uma imagem fair-use aqui? Obrigado. Affleck (talk) 18:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oi, obrigado por ter respondido. Desculpa minha burrice, mas eu sou péssimo em inglês e não entendi quase nada... rsrsrs... Gostaria de saber se eu posso usar essa imagem em dois artigos, Carnatal e Natal. Obrigado.Affleck (talk) 18:47, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- É meio dificil lidar com esse fair-use ein? Poderia ser uma foto de um jornal (página online do jornal), como essa por exemplo? se num der, tou desistindo... rsrsrs... Affleck (talk) 20:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oi, nem tinha visto essas imagens no Commons. Obrigado. Affleck (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- Me esclarece uma curiosidade, você é brasileiro mesmo ou você só conhece a língua portuguesa (porque você coloca suas mensagens em inglês também)? Affleck (talk) 21:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oi, desculpa ser chato, mas eu vi que nesse artigo tem uma imagem de um futuro estádio que está carregada sob o argumento de fair-use, eu poderia fazer o mesmo com essas imagens para coloca-las nesse artigo?? Muito obrigado. Affleck (talk) 22:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- E qual a opção que eu escolho lá no "Upload file"? Affleck (talk) 22:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oi, acho que fiz tudo certo. Obrigado pela paciência. Abraços. Affleck (talk) 23:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- Será que eu acertei agora?? Affleck (talk) 23:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- Acho que acertei agora... rsrsrs... obrigado pela enorme paciência. Affleck (talk) 23:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- Então no caso eu teria que carregar outra vez a imagem e colocar outro fair-use rationale pro artigo Natal ou eu simplesmente adiciono o artigo Natal, Rio Grande do Norte no fair-use rationale da imagem já existente?? Affleck (talk) 23:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- atah! agora tou aprendendo, muito obrigado. Affleck (talk) 23:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- Carioca, vc é minha salvação! rsrsrs.. esse usuário colocou uma tag de referências, ai eu reverti e coloquei mais uma fonte e fui no scrapbook e pedi desculpas por reverter, mas eu tinha colocado outra fonte, ai ele veio e colocou de novo. Vc pode me ajudar? eu sou sei o básico do básico de inglês. Muitissímo obrigado. Affleck (talk) 00:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- Pelo que eu entendi lá o usuário, ele disse que referências em português não são validas ou algo do tipo. Se eu ajeitar lá como esse artigo posso retirar aquela tag? Affleck (talk) 20:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Some shameless thankspam!
Question
Hi Carioca,
How can I associate an already existing page (i.e, the one about Preguinho) to a name, in this particular case the player's real name, João Coelho Netto? I believe the page should be indexable by both names, his real name *and* his player name.
Thank you for your attention,
Pedrovsky (talk) 00:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks a lot.
- Pedrovsky (talk) 00:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Many thanx from FkpCascais
Oi Carioca. Quero muito agradecer você por me estar ajudando nas paginas de jogadores que tenho feito. O meu nome é Filip e sou de Belgrado, da Sérvia, mas vivo ja faz 20 anos (desde 1988) em Lisboa, Portugal, e daí falar Português. Como namorei alguns anos uma menina de Santa Catarina também estou familiarizado com "Brasileiro". Tudo joia? :) Como só comecei a editar faz relativamente pouco tempo, é natural que, sendo eu um fanático por bola, tenha começado por fazer as listas e os artigos de jogadores que estejam relacionados com o futebol do meu país. Sendo que já existe um grande número de artigos sobre jogadores Sérvios, eu escolhí dedicar-me mais a escrever sobre os jogadores de outras nacionalidades que tenham lá jogado. Deparei com um número consideravel de Brasileiros como pode ver na lista dos extrangeiros da Superliga Sérvia e na lista da 2ª e outras ligas da Sérvia. Existem alguns jogadores que ja conhecía por terem jogado anteriormente em Portugal, mas alguns desconheço completamente. Onde mais sou capaz de precisar da sua ajuda é com os nomes certos dos clubes do Brasil. Por exemplo, neste último que fiz ( Rafael Felipe Barreto ) não sei ao certo se o clube onde ele jogou, Caxias-SC, é o Caxias ao qual eu o liguei? E uma coisa muito importante para mim: Acho que os primeiros Brasileiros a vir jugar na Sérvia, ainda no tempo da Iugoslávia, em 1990, vieram para um clube que é o Spartak Subotica, foram um tal de Roberto Carlos (que um amigo me confirmou que era mesmo Brasileiro) e na mesma época apareceram no mesmo clube um tal de Marco Antonio e Osvaldo Montero. O primeiro desconfio que também o seja, e o segundo duvido, antes será Argentino ou Uruguaio, mas não sei... Estão mencionados na minha lista. Não consigo encontrar mais informações sobre eles. Você me pode ajudar? Por favor continue corrigindo os artigos como tem feito até agora, e se me faltar informações por favor pônha. Fico lhe muito grato. Também se eu poder fazer algo por voce, diga. Não desejando incomodá-lo e não querendo ser chato, mando lhe cumprimentos. FkpCascais (talk) 04:40, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for your nice words, even knowing that I could do even better. I think my point is to "open" this players articles. Some are already well known and deserve an article, some are still very young players and is up to them to show "in the field" that they deserve an article. I also hope that other people (people who really folow closely the Serbian football) complete the articles, so that is also the main reason I find my writting not that good. Thanks for your help with Rafael Felipe Barreto, as you see I did link his club Caxias wrongly, as I suspected. It´s not easy to know well the lower leagues Brazilian clubs. As you know that I can speak and read perfectly Portuguese (se não falasse bem em 20 anos em Portugal, sería grave!) so I would only ask you one more thing: Wich Brazilian websites you recomend that I use as source for the players pages, wich are the best and more relible ones? And another thing (sou mesmo chato, disculpe), I have founded a very usefull source in the "www.cbf.com.br" becouse it had listed, by years, all the Brazilian football transfers but; they´ve changed the web adress so now I can´t find them back, and it only had the transfers since 2002, I think. Do you know if such pages containing the past transfers exist, can you recomend me some?, and does exist some website with the brazilian footballers separated in countries where the play/played. Those websites would help me very much becouse I´m planing to do more Brazilian players pages in the future, and I could improve the old ones... Nothing of this is urgent, so you can help me whenever you have time. Grande abraço desde Lisboa, Filip FkpCascais (talk) 21:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Zé Carlos#Death
Obrigado pela correção, conterrâneo.Brazilian Man (talk) 22:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Daniel González
Hola!!! soy Daniela la hija de Daniel González... me encantó leer lo que colgaste... muchas gracias... cualquier información que tengas, fotos o videos de mi padre... me encantaría verlos. Saludos —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.134.157.218 (talk) 02:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Vachette Pathology?
I saw that you did go ahead and delete the Vachette Pathology article. In updating the page, I added several trade media references to the company plus credible third party sourced articles written by Vachette president. I checked the Reliable Sources page and while the media are not mainstream, they do seem credible, not promotional or ads. This was my first article and have learned a lot. Can you either revisit the external links to those sources and see if they meet the notability guidelines OR give me a bit of education on what are acceptable? Thanks. --Toledodocstudent (talk) 13:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for restoring it. I will look to add inline references within the next few days (should have a break from studies). I'll come back and let you know on progress and would appreciate your input. Thanks! --Toledodocstudent (talk) 03:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Dean Winnard
Please can you re-create the Dean Winnard article you deleted because he has now made his Football League debut. Thanks, BigDom 17:59, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Imagem
- Uma dúvida, esta imagem do Flickr pode ser carregada no Commons? ela está com licença não-comercial e está carregada no Commons. Isso é permitido? Sds.Affleck (talk) 19:54, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Avenue
Você poderia dá um jeito neste artigo? o histórico está com uma imensa guerra de edições entre IP's. Sds. Affleck (talk) 03:19, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
you are welcome
bsd e a primeira vez que alguem aparece pra agradecer! sempre e bom. falou. Ben Stone 08:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Argentine Woman's football league name
Hey. I saw your inquiry in the WPFootball talk page, and since it had been some time I figured I'd reply here.
I took a look here, and I would say the name of the league is Campeonato de Fútbol Feminino. Hope that clarifies it. Digirami (talk) 21:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Cuca
Hi Carioca. According to http://lancenet.com.br/fluminense/noticias/09-09-01/609768.stm, Cuca has not reached an agreement with Fluminense's board of directors yet.
Pedrovsky (talk) 23:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Never mind. :-)
Christopher Robson
Hi,
Why have you deleted the page for Christopher Robson who plays football for Buckingham Town? He was a proffesional player who is now playing non league level as a semi proffesional.
Thank you
FootballBoff 02/09/2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.153.30.66 (talk) 15:36, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
the article are in destak. help me melhroá it and highlight it, please! greetings. Quintinense (talk) 23:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
conta
ja vou criar. boas 189.77.143.24 (talk) 15:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- pronto, criei :) Cearense (talk) 15:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Logo of Pinheiros (PR)
Ola Carioca,
usually I am working in German Wikipedia under the name of Chivista. There exists no article about EC Pinheiros (PR) - the one which you have written in English - up to now. But due to the fact that I have been to Curitiba in January and February 1990, I like to change this soon. Especially, because I would like to add their logo which I got from a patch I have found in a sports-shop there, only one month after they have merged to become Paraná Clube. Well, why I am telling this? I have seen that there is also no logo of Pinheiros in English or Portuguese Wikipedia and that everyone may use this logo, I would like to upload it in Wikipedia Commons instead of German Wikipedia. Up to now I have uploaded any picture on Grman Wikipedia only and have found no way to upload it in Commons (I don´t know how it works). Therefore, if you could give me a recommendation how to do this (if you know), I would be very thankful and are saying muito obrigado. You can leave your message here, I will take a look again tomorrow. Best regards, Chivista-en (talk) 17:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- I answered in your talk page. Regards, --Carioca (talk) 21:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
barn star
obrigado pelo premio :). na verdade, eu vou procurar as pags que nao tinham aquele file que voce tinha upado, indicando clubes sem logo. Cearense(answer here!) 22:56, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
- obrigado pela dica :). eu estava oolhando campeonato por campeonato adicionando os que não tinham Cearense(answer here!) 23:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- obrigado de novo :). Cearense(answer here!) 23:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
file
parece que eu esqueci de adicionar a tabela de info xD. fique com isso(nao achei outra melhor...)
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For helping a rookie, I hereby award Carioca with the “Cool Award.” ~~~~
Cearense(answer here!) 22:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Vandallism
Hello i see you are a administrator in wikipedia. See this vandal user:Paulozin in article São Paulo Futebol Clube season 2009 is writting "Curinthians". The right is "Corinthians". Thanks. 189.24.104.96 (talk) 00:34, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
To keep an eye on
Hey, man, how is it going? I'd like to ask you to keep an eye on this Paulozin (talk · contribs). Today, out of nothing he reverted my edits on Roberto Dinamite with no further explanations (or edit summary). I've checked his talk page and it looks like in spite of being a regular on Wiki.pt, he can't communicate over here because he can't (or won't) speak English. He should learn that footballers infobox parameters are different in Wiki.pt. While over there they consider every app and goal, in here we only count league ones. I see no problem at all in having a non-English speaker contributor in Wiki.en as long as his edits don't become disruptive. Cheers, man —Lesfer (t/c/@) 13:32, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hi there! Please, check on him because although I've provide more reliable sources on Roberto Dinamite (like futpedia.com and Roberto's official website) he's likely to revert my edits. I'd also suggest you take a look at Hernanes and Jean Raphael Vanderlei Moreira. This guy's been involved in several edit wars. Also check my recent edits regarding "Brazilian Footballer of the Year" awards as I've tried to consider Bola de Ouro and Prêmio Craque do Brasileirão. Still, I think he'll revert them (lol) Cheers, man —Lesfer (t/c/@) 23:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hey, man! Please, take a look at recent edits on these articles: Marlos Romero Bonfim, Hernanes, São Paulo FC, Template:São Paulo Futebol Clube squad. Unbelievable! —Lesfer (t/c/@) 01:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
nomes de estadio
os nomes de estadio devem ter a palavra estadio no nome do artigo? por exemplo, Frasqueirão não era pra ser estádio Frasqueirão, ou deixa assim mesmo? Cearense(answer here!) 22:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- certo entao, obrigado Cearense(answer here!) 23:04, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Ronaldo
Hi there, Carioca. Would you please consider to protect Ronaldo? There's an anon over there who just can't stop vandalizing the page by adding wrong info. Cheers —Lesfer (t/c/@) 19:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
eliminação de redirect
poderia eliminar o redirect user:cearense/projects/Ceará Cangaceiros? como está no meu namespace, acho que não ppreciso de um motivo, certo? Cearense(answer here!) 13:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Defaultsorting of Brazilian footballers
Hi Carioca. Sorry to bother you, but I need to discus this with some Brazilian. I have been doing the Defaultsorting of the Brazilian players differently than with the others (that have a name+surname). The issue is that since the majority of the players around the wotld are known by their surname (Ex: Nesta, Rooney, Wilhelmsson, Nakata...) in the Brazilians that wouldn´t be the case. I made the page of Rudison Nogueira Ferreira where I haven´t doubded about putting Rudisson, Nogueira Ferreira, this way making him much easier to find in the Categories sections under Rudison, how is he known, and not under Ferreira, wich I think nobody even knows he´s name is. Since I had some people edditing "correcting" me on some pages ( putting Alves instead of William that everybody knows him as, in the case of William Rocha Alves))) what you think? FkpCascais (talk) 04:07, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- It´s a good idea and I´ll move the page, Rudison, but it can´t be done with all players. I have seen in the Catergory:Brazilian footballers, that the majority does put the most known name (regardless being name or surneme) first, so it can be found under it´s most known name. But not all, so it has double standard for the names. It really needs a debate, so the general role used with names wan´t be used in Portuguese language names. So the players known as William can be found under W. When I have time I´ll put the question there and I´ll let you know. Many thanx. Abração. FkpCascais (talk) 23:06, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Changes in article
Hi, Carioca. Ok, I will proceed with it. Thanks for the advice. I know it's not "your article", but I wanted to express my concern with that kind of (major) change in it, the fact that football is many times a bit controversial... anyway, thnx for the help! Salu2 Maisonneuve (talk) 21:04, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Venues of the 2016 Summer Olympics
Oi Carioca! Eu movi alguns títulos de artigos devido à lista Venues of the 2016 Summer Olympics. Visto que o Comitê Organizador dos Jogos Olímpicos de 2016 definiu os nomes em inglês para os locais de competição do evento, eu acho que deveríamos usá-los, já que será assim como eles serão conhecidos em todo o mundo nos próximos anos. Abraços; Felipe Menegaz 15:55, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi Carioca! I moved a few titles of articles due to the list Venues of the 2016 Summer Olympics. Since the Organizing Committee for the Olympic Games in 2016 defined the English names for the venues of the event, I think we should use them, as well as they will be known around the world in the coming years. Regards; Felipe Menegaz 15:55, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you, moves requested. Felipe Menegaz 22:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
WTF
WTF WOMAN/MAN WHYD U DELETE MY MARSUPIAL DISEASE MY NIECE HAS IT U HEARTLESS POOP IM A SCIENTIST —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledge.fountain.6200. (talk • contribs) 16:29, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Brazilian Women's National Team Statistics
Noticed that you recently updated Marta's and Cristiane's Brazil appearances. I was just wondering where you got said information. I cannot find where to look up these numbers as the CBF's webpage is different than most other football federations'. Please let me know, thanks. GauchoDude (talk) 18:03, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Fortaleza EC
Hello, Carioca. Mate, can you help me with something that happened in the article of Fortaleza EC? The case is that some IP copied the text from wiki.pt, apparently translated it in an ordinary net translator and edited the article from wiki.en using those translated contents. After that, a friend of mine showed me the article and tried to revert it to the point it was before, but a Bot avoided that thinking it was a vandalism (as he was not logged in). The case is that the article is poorly translated and it seems, like in other examples in Wikis around, it's going to stay like that for ages till someone is interested and with time to do a proper edition of it - I believe it's too much text to be corrected. What do you think of this case? Lets us stay in touch. Maisonneuve (talk) 07:17, 16 December 2009 (UTC) Ps. I have made some other three edits after the Bot have acted.
- Hey, thanks for answering me. But see, now the article has some edits between the latest one and the one I believe is the best suited to be the present edit. I would not be reverting an edition made with a translation machine... Understand me? How could I do that? I confess I'm a bit lost, eheh. I have never had to deal with something like this at the Wikis. Regards, Maisonneuve (talk) 20:24, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Hey, Carioca. The bot acted again. I tried to make it, but couldn't. It reverted my edit, stating a possible vandalism by user Maisonneuve. Is there something you can do about this tricky situation? Regards, Maisonneuve (talk) 22:20, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Hi, Carioca! Many many thnx, mate! It was well done as the way the article was we would be misinforming people (at least for quite some time). I will try to be more present at Wiki.en these days of holiday. Thnx again! Salu2 Maisonneuve (talk) 02:53, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Hey, Carioca. The bot acted again. I tried to make it, but couldn't. It reverted my edit, stating a possible vandalism by user Maisonneuve. Is there something you can do about this tricky situation? Regards, Maisonneuve (talk) 22:20, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your support of this article at FAC, which I greatly appreciate. Jonyungk (talk) 22:10, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
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