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Julie Ragbeer

Hi! My name is Avery, and I want to ask you about the process for reinstating a Wikipedia page that has been deleted. My friend Julie Ragbeer was recently covered by several entertainment news outlets when a promoted Tweet / “X” post about her music went viral. Fans made a Wikipedia page, but we believe some trolls mass-reported it, and the page was reviewed and deleted. Julie is notable and has a large following now, and is deserving of having a page that people can learn about her career and background. Could you please reinstate it? Thank you in advance for any help you can provide! Averyjoanfaust (talk) 03:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Averyjoanfaust. The article was correctly and properly deleted as a result of the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julie Ragbeer. Accusing editors who supported deletion of being "trolls" without rock solid evidence of trolling is a really bad idea. To me, this looks like a WP:BLP1E situation. Apparently, Ragbeer entered into a "pay to play" promotional arrangement with somebody called "PopTingz" who is somewhat popular on X/Twitter in February, and got some social media attention. This "PopTingz" person does not have a Wikipedia biography, and I fail to see how this person X/Tweeting about your friend bestows notability and eligibility for a Wikipedia article on your friend. This all began on February 22 and it is barely two months old. I think your friend ought to concentrate on advancing her musical career instead of overemphasizing a bunch of Tweets and trying to get a Wikipedia biography out of that thin soup. Cullen328 (talk) 04:36, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
I respectfully disagree. She has been covered by way more than just PopTingz. Please reconsider, Wikipedia pages help legitimize rising artists like her and lots of people are searching for her online.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/viral-pop-culture-x-account-pop-tingz-made-julie-ragbeer-a-star-now-more-young-artists-want-to-pay-for-a-chance-at-fame-213053165.html
https://www.aol.com/news/viral-pop-culture-x-account-213053746.html
https://www.papermag.com/julie-ragbeer
https://emorywheel.com/ragbeer-knows-youre-a-stan/
The Tab
https://thetab.com › 2024/02/26Who is Julie Ragbeer? Girl goes viral after Pop Tingz promo tweet
Interview Magazine
https://www.interviewmagazine.com › ...Julie Ragbeer Invites Her "Ragdolls" to Listen to This Playlist
Last.fm
https://www.last.fm › music › Julie...Julie Ragbeer music, videos, stats, and photos
Genius
https://genius.com › artists › albumsJulie Ragbeer Albums and Discography Averyjoanfaust (talk) 05:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Averyjoanfaust, when you write Wikipedia pages help legitimize rising artists like her, that displays your deep and profound misunderstanding of Wikipedia's goals, policies and guidelines. Promoting rising artists on Wikipedia is absolutely forbidden by policy. We are a lagging indicator, not a leading indicator. Presenting me with a list of interviews and unreliable sources is not going to change my mind. Wikipedia is awash in promotional editing on behalf of ambitious but not yet notable young people, and I will not aid and abet that. It might take a highly talented college professor 20 years of exceptionally hard work at the highest level to qualify for a Wikipedia biography. I fail to see why this young artist deserves a Wikipedia biography two months after a Tweet storm. This is a serious reference work, not a marketing or public relations platform. Cullen328 (talk) 08:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
When you write lots of people are searching for her online, that means that she should have an excellent website and an informative social media presence. Wikipedia is not a shortcut. It is an encyclopedia that covers well-established topics. Cullen328 (talk) 08:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Fart sounds

It seems you are immature and like fart sounds (flatulence article). Funk~svwiki (talk) 07:56, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) What's wrong with that? Bishonen | tålk 09:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC).
Well, if that article has to have a sound example (as if the reader had never heard a fart), it should not be that strange sound file. It doesn't sound real. Funk~svwiki (talk) 10:45, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
No, I do not particularly like fart sounds, Funk~svwiki, but I do like comprehensive encyclopedia articles. Please refrain from unwarranted personal attacks on other editors. Cullen328 (talk) 17:10, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Ok, then we should have sound examples in all articles.
Sounds of people eating, picking their noses and masturbating.
Even the sounds of a rape could be a good addition. Funk~svwiki (talk) 05:07, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
If you are going to troll me, Funk~svwiki, I will be happy to block you. Stop now. If you want to be a troll, then choose another website where that type of low-life behavior is permitted. It isn't allowed on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 05:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
The reason of my original complaint was that I thought that the fart article has a sound sample that does not sound very natural. Who farts like that? It sounds almost like music in three very different notes. It sounds like someone making a joke out of Wikipedia. There must be better examples of how a fart sounds (I could make one myself if you want), but I still can't fathom how this is important in a serious encyclopedia as there is no human that doesn't already know how farts sound. Funk~svwiki (talk) 21:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Funk~svwiki, the proper place to discuss your concerns is Talk: Flatulence. Cullen328 (talk) 21:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

hope you didn't mind the ping

I am in fact subscribed to the topic, but wasn't sure if you are/were. Usually I get a blank stare at the help desk so I got all excited that someone was trying to understand the issue. Elinruby (talk) 06:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Question

I'm not expert on Wikipedia, someone created a article on wiki which is becoming a space for kind of disputes and random additions that are false and hostile to me may lead to major problems I don't wanted on Wikipedia, I need to know how to get this article removed from Wiki? I really appreciate if you could remove it and ready to provide any required identities for that.

page is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulla_Bin_Mohamed_Bin_Butti_Al_Hamed Ahmaddarwish74 (talk) 18:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ahmaddarwish74. I removed the content about the hunting incident for reasons that I have already explained, but I consider it unlikely that the entire article will be deleted because you are a notable senior government official in Abu Dhabi. Among Wikipedia's goals is to have biographies of every current and former senior government official on Earth. To be honest, I see no legitimate reason in Wikipedia's policies and guidelines to delete the article. Steps to improve its accuracy and neutrality are always good, and the article can be protected from editing by inexperienced people if there is ongoing disruption. My friendly suggestion to you is to identify any factual errors and provide reliable sources for any corrections that you wish to make. You should make formal edit requests at Talk: Abdulla_Bin_Mohamed_Bin_Butti_Al_Hamed. I am happy to answer any questions you may have about Wikipedia's policies, guidelines and social norms. Cullen328 (talk) 18:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt reply, we been trying to protect the page from unwanted edits sometimes success many times we fail as wikipedia is open for any edits, i am a noticeable person and been getting many warnings because bad information been added to the article, it is really hurtful for me and my family.
I would appreciate your support to get the article deleted. Ahmaddarwish74 (talk) 18:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Ahmaddarwish74, with all due respect, I am not going to support deletion of the article unless it is false that you are a senior government official in Abu Dhabi. There is nothing on the article talk page about "many warnings" or "bad information" or anything hurtful to your family that I can see. That is the proper place to raise such issues. The article has never had any level of protection applied to it. One thing you should know about experienced Wikipedia editors and adminstrators is that we like precise and accurate information that we can act on, and dislike vague, generalized complaints lacking specificity. So, please tell me quite specifically what is wrong with the accuracy of the current version of the article? Thank you. Cullen328 (talk) 19:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
I didn't say there are at the current version but there was in past and non of the admins notice that and also it could be in future, it is an open space and it could happened at any time. Appreciate your understanding, no further requests. Thank you Ahmaddarwish74 (talk) 19:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Ahmaddarwish74, I can only deal with the present and the future. I will assure you that if you see any disruptive editing in the future, I will assist you in resolving the issue, which may include semi-protection or blocks of disruptive editors if necessary. We take our obligations to the subjects of our biographical articles seriously, as reflected in our policy Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. I wish you well. Cullen328 (talk) 19:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Good day, upon checking the references, not the chairman of the Department of Health in the Emirate of Abu Dhabi see the official site: https://www.doh.gov.ae/en/about-doh/leadership, not member of the Abu Dhabi council (provided recourse is just link to the official site) , please remove it from the article. Ahmaddarwish74 (talk) 17:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Ahmaddarwish74, as I stated previously, you should make formal edit requests at Talk: Abdulla_Bin_Mohamed_Bin_Butti_Al_Hamed, which is the proper place to suggest improvements to the article. Cullen328 (talk) 17:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Bit interesting

So, this isn't really a technical question, more like a "philosophical" one; what's the point of editing articles if there's (seemingly) nothing to edit? I really want to edit articles I'm very interested in, but most, if not all, are already extremely well developed due to the fact that they've been around longer than I have. I don't wanna be stuck editing articles I don't care about!

Jesoysauce (talk) 16:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Jesoysauce, I have no difficulty finding interesting things to work on. Perhaps you should try to broaden your horizons. Cullen328 (talk) 17:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Have you tried finding some inspiration at Wikipedia:Requested articles? Or just Wikiprojects on subjects that interest you? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
For Requested articles... I don't think I have enough editing knowledge to create an entire article from the ground up. Perhaps when I get more accustomed to it I'll try that.
As for wikiprojects... I forgot that they existed lol... I'll try that. Jesoysauce (talk) 15:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
I remember feeling this way when I first began editing, but the more I looked, the more things I found interesting and the more opportunities for contributing I found. If you're willing to give us some idea of your interests, perhaps we could point you to some articles or editors who know the area? Dumuzid (talk) 18:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
That would be lovely. I'll list them here:
Internet subcultures/fandoms, I'm in plenty (Pokemon is my #1 as of now!)
Speaking of Internet, I'm very interested in old Internet pop culture (1990s-2010s), and also how they even worked
I really like psychology related stuff (how the brain responds to traumatic stuff, y'kno), especially disabilities and disorders (Autism and it's spectrum, stuff like that)
I'm interested in art, as I am an artist.
I love history, mainly Black history. Very interested in before, during and after slavery, but especially before.
I LOVE music, and I want to learn a whole lot more about it. Also love history behind how genres like breakcore, dubstep, reggae, and more came to be.
And I enjoy writing
That's all! Jesoysauce (talk) 15:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
I see lots of areas there where you could absolutely help out the encyclopedia. To cease cluttering our host's talk page, I'll respond further on your talk page. See you there! Dumuzid (talk) 15:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Good idea! Jesoysauce (talk) 15:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2024).

Administrator changes

readded Nyttend
removed

Bureaucrat changes

removed Nihonjoe

CheckUser changes

readded Joe Roe

Oversight changes

removed GeneralNotability

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • Partial action blocks are now in effect on the English Wikipedia. This means that administrators have the ability to restrict users from certain actions, including uploading files, moving pages and files, creating new pages, and sending thanks. T280531

Arbitration

Miscellaneous


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Martha Lord (21:37, 30 April 2024)

Hi I am a big history nerd,quick question how do I add no clarification --Martha Lord (talk) 21:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I do not understand your question, Martha Lord. Please clarify. Cullen328 (talk) 18:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
the best dad joke Martha Lord (talk) 20:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Who's on first? EEng 20:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
what do you mean please clarify Martha Lord (talk) 21:52, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins

Hi there! Phase I of the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

See the project page for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. theleekycauldron (talk), via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Anarchism

Hi Cullen328,

I saw your work on articles related to anarchism and wanted to say hello, as I work in the topic area too. If you haven't already, you might want to watch our noticeboard for Wikipedia's coverage of anarchism, which is a great place to ask questions, collaborate, discuss style/structure precedent, and stay informed about content related to anarchism. Take a look for yourself!

We also have a stub (short article) expansion drive and cleanup drive, if you'd like to participate.

Feel free to say hi on my talk page and let me know if these links were helpful (or at least interesting). Hope to see you around. czar 03:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Czar. I assume that you noticed that I restored Peter Werbe, which was redirected in 2018. My related area of interest is in radical and youth culture topics related to the Detroit area in the late 1960s and early 1970s, where I grew up and still have ties over half a century later. I met Peter once or twice back then, and in recent years, he has been a Facebook acquaintance. I chose to re-create the article because I believe that he is notable. To be frank, I have little ongoing interest in anarchism, although I appreciate the invitation. Thanks. Cullen328 (talk) 06:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Louis10000 (06:13, 8 May 2024)

Hi, I hope you are doing fine. Reaching out to you for the following. I have just added a comment to the Wikipedia entry for dodecahedron. Someone stated that references are required from previous sources. What does that add to the exchange of thoughts in Wikipedia for objects with unknown use? As a builder I realised immediately the use for these objects. I have nothing to support this than my experience in building and the universal use of materials, irrespective of time and the availability of written or oral information. Dies that not count for as much or more than theoretical treaties? Best regards Louis --Louis10000 (talk) 06:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Louis10000. I am sorry, but your comment here and at Talk:Roman dodecahedron show that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how Wikipedia actually works. The personal theories of individual anonymous Wikipedia editors have literally no place here on Wikipedia, and one of our three core content policies is No original research, which speaks directly to this issue. Wikipedia articles summarize what reliable published sources say about the topic. You write As a builder I realised immediately the use for these objects. If the use of these objects was really so obvious, then academic journals of archeology and the history of technology would put forward that theory. Unless they do, your theory has no place on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 06:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Agusmagni made a new frivolous AfD after their temporary block expired: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sirens (2014 TV series). Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Helpful Raccoon. Since another editor agreed, I am not going to call the recent AfD "frivilous". Let me know if there are more, though. Cullen328 (talk) 18:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Dr Sudhakar Thokala (07:17, 16 May 2024)

hello, I want to make a page about myself so that people can see about me. --Dr Sudhakar Thokala (talk) 07:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Dr Sudhakar Thokala, it seems that this is your first edit. You are new to Wikipedia which has complex Policies and guidelines and social norms. You are far too inexperienced at this time, in my opinion, to set about writing a biography of a living person, let alone yourself. You have an obvious conflict of interest. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY to learn why this is a bad idea. Cullen328 (talk) 07:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I think it would be better to specify that the dish in Italy (of course not the American version with the chicken inside, etc.) is called "pasta al burro", and of course to not confuse people I would avoid writing it in the first lines; also because in the sentence "In Italy, meanwhile, fettuccine al burro is generally considered home cooking." the page refers to pasta al burro without explaining anything. JacktheBrown (talk) 11:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I have added new information, decide what to do with what I have added, but please don't delete everything; it's necessary to specify that in Italy it has another name, and that Italy follows the original recipe and not the US one. JacktheBrown (talk) 12:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Solved. JacktheBrown (talk) 17:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

The deep flaw in your thinking here, JackkBrown, is that there is no single "US recipe" for Fettucine Alfredo or any other Italian-American dish, or any dish in any other cuisine. American home cooks and American restaurant chefs are perfectly free to follow the most traditional Italian recipe if they want, using pasta imported from Italy, using the highest quality imported Parmigiano Reggiano, and even use butter imported from Italy, which costs roughly three times what American butter costs. They are also perfectly free to make the dish using the cheapest mass produced American pasta, Kraft brand parmesan, and the lowest priced American butter. They are also free to add some American cream or what we call "half and half". They are also free to top the dish with an optional piece of grilled chicken breast if they want. There is no official recipe. Those are free choices that free people make, and all variations of the dish are actually Italian-American Fettucine Alfredo, despite what you individually feel about the matter. We go by what reliable sources say, not by the idiosyncratic opinions of anonymous editors who hate Italian-American cuisine. Hundreds of millions of Americans love Italian-American cuisine, and very, very few of them care in the slightest what Italian culinary snobs think about the Italian-American dishes that they love. In addition, Americans would not think about criticizing how Italians choose to prepare hamburgers, hot dogs or barbecue. Why are some Italians so vehement about criticizing Italian-American cuisine, which is incredibly varied? Those who do not like it are free to not eat it. Cullen328 (talk) 02:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
@Cullen328: yes, being an encyclopaedia, there is no "better" or "worse"; however, objectively, in terms of quality (excellent quality), Italian cuisine (very very different from the "Italian" foods and drinks of the United States) is, deservedly, considered the best in the world, or at least one of the best[1] (P.S.: Greek cuisine is delicious; I also love Mexican cuisine). JacktheBrown (talk) 01:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Hear, hear! -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:22, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
"cheapest mass produced American pasta, Kraft brand parmesan, and the lowest priced American butter."-- that me. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Deepfriedokra, thank you, but perhaps you ought to strive for something better. On the other hand, I do not like paying more for unsalted butter. I bought ghee once for a special dish. Cullen328 (talk) 02:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Aw, gee. never had it. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 04:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ For example, in 2019, the American network CNN ranked first in a ranking of the best cuisines in the world; see: "Which country has the best food?". 12 July 2017. Archived from the original on 13 December 2021. Retrieved 14 November 2021. According to a survey conducted by the British market analysis company YouGov, out of 24 countries, Italian cuisine was the most internationally appreciated gastronomy with 84% of total preferences; see: "Sondaggio YouGov:l'84% delle persone nel mondo preferisce la cucina italiana". Archived from the original on 7 October 2021. Retrieved 14 November 2021.

Question from اكرم حمزه on Mk 19 grenade launcher (20:21, 17 May 2024)

اوزان اجزاء السلاح --اكرم حمزه (talk) 20:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

اكرم حمزه, this is the English Wikipedia. Please ask your question in English. Cullen328 (talk) 22:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

help

dear admin, @Cullen328. In the Ahir article it is said that Ahirs adopted the name Yadav from the 19th to the 20th century, which is absolutely wrong. The 1881 census of the British Empire stated that the Yadavas were identified with the Ahirs.[[1]] So how can Ahirs from the 19th or 20th century adopt the name Yadav? So this claim is refuted. And even in the Indian epic Mahabharata, Ahirs have been described as Yadavas[1]. Please remove this false information from the article. 2409:4085:918E:A4EA:0:0:178F:68AC (talk) 22:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I have no expertise in this topic area. Also, administrators do not adjudicate content disputes. Raj era sources are dubious. Articles about castes and other South Asian social groups are contentious, so be very cautious. Cullen328 (talk) 23:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Chopra, Pran Nath (1982). Religions and Communities of India. Vision Books. p. 140. ISBN 978-0-391-02748-0. The Mahabharata and other authori-tative works use the three terms-Gopa, Yadava and Ahir synonymously.

Where to report repeat COI edits / ban evasion

Howdy :)

After many years of lurking, I finally got around to making an account to revert blatant self-promo on Marsh McLennan earlier today - so apologies for my ignorance, this is my third edit!

I noticed in the edit history that User:MarshMcLennan had previously made a substantially similar edit to the User:mmbv version I reverted, and you were the admin to block that original user.

Calling a spade a spade, the mmbv user is likely ban evasion from someone in that firm, or working on their behalf, etc.

My question: What’s the best place to flag something like that to admins?

I thought WP:COIN, but the COI itself is clear and has already been actioned; it didn’t seem to fit the specific definition of vandalism for WP:AIV, and then I looked at WP:SI, but that also seemed more complex than the situation warrants. Would really appreciate a pointer on the best venue. Thanks! HyperbolicDisco (talk) 18:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, HyperbolicDisco. I blocked the sockpuppet of the blocked undisclosed paid editor and semi-protected the article for a month. As for where to report, you did the right thing reporting to me, because I was already familiar with the promotional editing there. You are correct that the edits are not vandalism, but instead they are unacceptably promotional. Reporting to an individual adminstrator familiar with the specifics as you did here is always appropriate. In more complex circumstances, WP:COIN or WP:SI are fine, and if the situation is severe and out of control, WP:ANI is available to you. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Cullen328 (talk) 20:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Experience

Thanks for your reply to my (frequent) comment on the Teahouse. I know how diligent you are, and I am not surprised that you were able to create an article that quickly. But I am convinced that you are unusual in that respect. I am trying to save new editors from weeks (at least) of frustration and discouragement - I was aware that "months" might be excessive in some cases. What wording would you suggest? (As it happens, I haven't turned that message into a template yet, though I type it in often enough). ColinFine (talk) 23:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine. I would suggest "several weeks" instead, and emphasize the importance of studying the three core content policies, the notability guidelines, and the meaning of "reliable", "independent " and "significant coverage" when it comes to sources and referencing. I responded to you in that specific case because I had already taken a preliminary look at notability and engaged with the editor. I think that it is important to tailor Teahouse responses, and to be much more encouraging to someone interested in writing about a possibly notable, non-promotional historic topic than we would be to to a 17 year old who is determined to write an autobiography. Cullen328 (talk) 23:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Section titled "My redlinks"

Hello, Jim. I have noted that some of the articles in the above mentioned section of your userpage have already been created, or are redirects. You could remove those from your userpage or edit the redirects. Cheers! Garethphua (talk) 07:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Garethphua. Yes, I can look at any of those links anytime I want to, and remove any of them that I conclude at that time ought to be removed. All on my good time. Feel free to create, expand or improve articles about any of these topics. Please let me know but be aware that I will be traveling to Alaska in late May and early June, and will have greatly reduced internet access. Cullen328 (talk) 08:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the user you recently blocked for 48 hours

Agusmagni has resumed creating AfDs, and doesn't respond to comments made on their talk page. They seem to have conflicting opinions from my point of view, for example, saying that notability is inherited (here too) then turning around and saying most TV shows aren't notable (there was a better diff but I couldn't find it)

Thanks. Rusty4321 talk contribs 14:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Rusty4321. That editor has only made two edits in the last six days, neither of which was related to AfD. Cullen328 (talk) 18:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)