User talk:Dale Chock

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Hello, Dale Chock, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Peer Review Request

I know this isn't your interest, but I am desperate trying to get anyone who can do a grammar review of List of Popotan episodes as it's one of the biggest factors keeping it from being listed as a WP:FLC, assuming you have time. This is just for a copyediting review and correction.じんない 21:39, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out. I had to edit the lead (relizied I forgot to remove some untrue statements about the initial airing. If you don't mind, please check the episode listings as well. Thank you.じんない 07:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		For copyediting List of Popotan episodes when I was having trouble finding someone, despite it not being in your area of interest.じんない 08:31, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

One thing I want to clarify because it wasn't obvious. Have you finished copyediting since the changes are only up to episode 6. I'm not trying to rush, just would like some knowledge here.じんない 21:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Followup

I edited the parts I could. I have left comments on each one and a few I am still having trouble with appropriate wording.じんない 00:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Nahua

Thanks for the links, I can read in Spanish. --Dmitri Lytov (talk) 11:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for peer review

I saw you as a volunteer at peer review, so I'm hoping you can help me. It's a sport biography, Mario Ančić. I mostly need someone to check spelling, and tell me some linguistic mistakes I made, because English is not my native language; or you know someone else. Thanks. :) --Göran S (talk) 23:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and a request

Thanks for signing up at Wikipedia:Peer review/volunteers and for your work doing reviews. It is now just over a year since the last peer review was archived with no repsonse after 14 (or more) days, something we all can be proud of. There is a new Peer review user box to track the backlog (peer reviews at least 4 days old with no substantial response), which can be found here. To include it on your user or talk page, please add {{Wikipedia:Peer review/PRbox}} . Thanks again, and keep up the good work, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:16, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Ottawa language/archive1

Hi, I'm wondering if you would have time to peer-review Ottawa language. It is a Good article (February 09) and I would like to move it on for Featured Article. Thanks. John. Jomeara421 (talk) 11:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Otomi language

Hi Dale. I know that you are a good and thorough reviewer and I would ask for your assistance at otomi language which I have drastically expanded - would appreciate any comments on how I can improve it even more. You can comment on the talk page. Or if you wish I have also listed the article for peer review and if you are interested in making a full review you can do so here. Thanks in advance for any help you can give.·Maunus·ƛ· 18:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. If you'd like to copyedit while the copyedit banner is up that's fine, but I'll step away and allow you do so. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Your edit summaries

Hi Dale. I realize that you are doing good work and improving the article - this however would be a lot more easy to accept if you didn't use such confrontational language in your comments and edit summaries. I am in fact a professional linguist and I can't help but find your comments about "professionalism" and "essays" to be denigrating and snide. The writing and citation style I have employed is used by many professional writers and linguists in peer reviewed journals - If you don't like it that is fine and I don't mind you changing it - but please don't make such a big show to make it look like you are the professional and everyone else an amateur. You will find it much easier to colaborate with other wikipedians if you use a more forthcoming and respectful tone.·Maunus·ƛ· 22:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Your post to my user page

I found your post on my user page instead of the talk page. I've moved it to the appropriate spot here. Yes, indeed, I made a mistake. I've been having trouble with internet connection, and therefore, because of edit conflicts on the Otomi language article, I've been saving as frequently as possible, often without completion of the sentence. Obviously you consider yourself more suited to this work than I am. Please continue. It's not worth taking the time and then having another editor re-edit without some sort of communication. Normally when copyediting work by those whose first language is not English I make an initial go through to unscramble sentences, those most often with modifiers placed incorrectly, with full awareness it's not a final product. A full copyedit on an article such as this, in my case, takes at least three passes as I feel it's paramount to maintain the writer's content which requires a lighter hand. In addition, in my view, the writer's nationality or mother tongue is irrelevant to the content of the article.

At this point, as you've rewritten most of what I've worked on, and therefore don't seem to agree with the initial pass, if you believe your knowledge and expertise to be better than mine, please go ahead and finish. I'll work elsewhere. Thank you. Btw -- the purpose of the copyedit banner is to prevent others from editing which in turn prevents edit conflicts and work being lost. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 04:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Otomi

I really am getting sick and tired of your inability to contribute with suggestions and criticisms without phrasing it like a personal attack against me and my academic integrity. If you are so smart then why don't you write some articles and contribute some content yourself? Because its easier to ridicule and chastise those who actually get off their butts and contribute? Wikipedia is a colaborative encyclopedia - that means that people are volunteers working in their free time and not getting paid, it also means that people contribute what they do best. What I do best is research and adding content in areas where nobody else ever write a line. If I havdn't contributed we wouln't have entries for 80 percent of the languages fo Mesoamerica. What you do well is find others' mistakes - this is valuable, but not when you have to be smug about it make other editors feel as if they've committed a crime by contributing content with out observing your pedantic notions about what is good encyclopedic writing. because eventuall nobody well dare to contribute anything if everytime they write an article they are harangued like it was the spanish inquisition. And if nobody contributes copyeditors like you have no content to correct and wikipedia goes down the drain. If you cant contribute in a collegial and respectful tone then I'd rather that you stayed away from any article that I am working on - and I'd go so far as to promise to stay away from any article you'll ever wok on as well. Thanks for your time.·Maunus·ƛ· 22:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Peer review request: Hungarian orthography

I wonder if you could provide a peer review for the above article, because I'd like to make it a featured article. Thank you in advance, Adam78 (talk) 13:03, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

admin help req

{{adminhelp}} Please be advised that I am not able to communicate by chat. Dale Chock (talk) 14:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

You used the {{adminhelp}} template, but did not post a question. Ask your question below and put back the tag. Please consider though, if you really do require an admin, or if another user may be able to help, in which case please use {{helpme}} instead. Thanks! ∙ AJCham^talk 14:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Proto-Slavic borrowings

Many thanks for fixing my crappy English and generally enhancing that article! --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 11:57, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

kh, k, zero in Mongolian

Hi Dale! I don't know whether you're still watching, so I just want to say that I've finally found the time to write some kind of answer to what you wrote on Talk:Mongolian_language. I fear we're not completely done with that yet. G Purevdorj (talk) 10:40, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, would you be so kind as to give us support!

Hello, I hope you're doing fine and I sincerely apologize for this intrusion. My name is Claudi Balaguer (User Capsot from the Catalan Wikipedia and the Occitan Wikiccionari), I've just read some discussions and I think I have seen that you show a keen interest in diverse cultures and languages, so you understand very well what are a minorized language and culture and maybe I am not bothering you and you will help us... I'm a member of a Catalan association "Amical de la Viquipèdia" which is trying to get some recognition as a Catalan Chapter but this hasn't been approved up to that moment. We would appreciate your support, visible if you stick this on your first page and/or signing the link within the template: Wikimedia CAT. Supporting us will be like giving equal opportunity to minorized languages and cultures in the future! By the way, I'm not too sure but you seemed interested in Nahuatl and maybe other native languages of Central and South America, so while I was looking for support I met a user called Marrovi (maybe you know him) who told me that a Mayan Wikipedia needed some support in order to start, here's the link if you wish to support them: [1]. Thanks again, I wish you a nice, pleasant and warm summer, take care! Capsot (talk) 09:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Mongolian language

An article that you have been involved in editing, Mongolian language has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments good article reassessment page . If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Rcsprinter^{Gimme a message} 17:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

need help with citation templates

My problem is that a citation template is not working in Uto-Aztecan languages, after I successfully used it in Paul Revere. How to fix this? I used Template:cite book in conjunction with Template:Sfn. Even after including the anchor field value, ref=harv, in the cite template, it's mostly not working. The only two cites that work are Campbell 1997 and Mithun 1999. (When you click on a hyperlinked "Campbell 1997" in the footnotes, it takes you to the corresponding bibliography entry.) Here's a clue: the bibliography entries that don't work, they also don't put periods after the components of the entry (author, year, title, etc.). Thanks.

The citation templates are used for citations, in other words, references, to be placed inside <ref></ref> tags. It looks like you're trying to use cite book as a link to a book for suggested reading? It shouldn't be used that way. -- Atama頭 22:50, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:INCITE and WP:CITET show how citation templates are meant to be used. -- Atama頭 22:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

:: (Sorry, the reply by Atama is not helpful.) You seem to misunderstand one template and with another remark you seem to create a confusion. As I read the documentation for the SFN template it is meant to replace REF tags. The mention of "suggested" seems irrelevant, because that seems to have to do with content, not formatting (layout). Besides, my solution works perfectly in one article yet not in a second article. So even if you are correct, you haven't explained how you are correct. Thank you. Dale Chock (talk) 23:00, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Where did you use {{sfn}} to refer to the book citation you added? I don't see that in the article text. -- Atama頭 23:13, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I think I've understood the problem and fixed it. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Need peer review on foreign language learning through literature

I've written an article about Literature Circles in EFL 'English as a Foreign Language', teacher accompanied classroom discussion groups among EFL learners, who regularly get together in class to speak about and share their ideas, and comment on others' interpretations about the previously determined section of a graded reader in English. I'm wondering if you would have time to peer-review.

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Uto-Aztecan languages

Could you revisit that article? You seem to be more knowledgeable in that field. At least the glaring redundancy in the article concerning the reconstructed Proto-Uto-Aztecan phonology needs fixing urgently, not to mention the redundancy in the homeland section. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 23:13, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I have obliged. Thanks for bringing this to my notice. Dale Chock (talk) 06:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to you for taking care of this one! --Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Wikiquette Assistance discussion

Hello, Dale Chock. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Nobody Ent 22:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Discussion moved

Hello, a discussion you have participated in has been moved from Talk:Diaphoneme to User talk:Aeusoes1 as it was not pertinent to article content, but user behavior in regards to Wikipedia policy. Feel free to continue the discussion there. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]}

Nevermind. It's been moved back. I hope I've made it clear, though, that I'm willing to talk about the issue of policy outside of the article's talk page, which should only be used to talk about article content. If you wish to continue the discussion, I ask that you do so either here or my own talk page. Thank you. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 15:47, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

This Wikipedian edited his previous post above by adding strikeouts. It is not his place to do that on somebody else's User pages. Dale Chock (talk) 04:53, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Strikeouts and underlines are appropriate modifications to one's own comments, so it actually is my place. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 19:47, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Dale. Thanks for letting me know about the changes you made to Proto-Algonquian and Arapaho language -- I don't edit wikipedia much anymore so I probably wouldn't have noticed. I was wanting to get mad at you for the PA thing, but damned if that wasn't literally my exact thought process regarding adding the images :). Thanks for your help in noticing my lapse in judgment. I appreciate it, and I appreciate your courtesy in letting me know about it. Take care! --Miskwito (talk) 18:07, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Possible interview about Palin/Revere edit war in June 2011

My name is Sara Marks and I am doing research for a masters thesis at Fitchburg State University. My thesis has to do with resolving conflicts on Wikipedia entries and I am focusing on what happened to the Paul Revere entry after Palin's comments last summer. I have been going through the archives and would really like to talk to you about what happened after her comments, especially your part in it. I want to get a better idea of what happened and your thoughts on the resolution process. You can get back to me on your talk page, my talk page or via email at librarygurl at gmail.com. I can also answer any questions you may have about my thesis. I look forward to hearing from you. --LibraryGurl (talk) 19:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

you can email me at librarygurl @ gmail.com. I understand you may not remember much. Some of my questions will relate to specific things that happened and I have no problem if you need to re-read sections to remember. --LibraryGurl (talk) 14:02, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

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Unlocatable AN report

I have been advised by an adversary editor that there is a "discussion" about me at AN/Editwarring. It would have been launched in the last 24 hours. However, my username does not appear on the page, Edit Warring & 3RR. Nor does it appear on the most recent archived page (and it probably shouldn't, since those reports seem to date from two weeks ago). Is there some administrator who can help me find this report? Dale Chock (talk) 04:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Try here. Danger! ^{High voltage!} 05:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Alphabet murders

I noticed in this edit that you have removed the names of three murder victims, citing "sensitivity" concerns. But I'm not sure how this concern is connected to our broader policy on censorship. I even tried looking at WP:CENSOR and WP:Offensive material but haven't found anything to help you justify the removals. Help me out here. How is this removal appropriate? — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 17:44, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Accusation of Wikihounding

From this edit at Talk:Russian phonology, I see that you have characterized my above post as "stalking." Accusing another editor of wikihounding is a serious charge, and not one to take lightly.

I do periodically look at your recent contributions to see how active you are, but this is mostly to get an idea of when to expect responses from you in our talk page discussions. Because of your tendency to abandon discussions mid-stream and your spotty activity on Wikipedia, knowing when you have been active gives me a good indication of when you have indeed abandoned a thread.

However, were I to take a more scrutinizing approach in my tracking of your recent contributions, it would not be so unwarranted, given your practice of deleting article content and rudeness to other editors.

Finally, your characterization of my polite tone as "sarcastically imputing a false camaraderie" is a setup for a ridiculous catch-22. If I return your incivility, it would only work to further antagonize you. Considering the community's preference for civility, I'll err on the side of politeness. This doesn't mean I'm pretending to be your friend. I'm sorry if that's confusing, but you'll just have to get used to it. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 01:35, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

This editor seems to know how to view a list of another editor's contributions. This is special knowledge, knowledge not readily shared by Wikipedia, knowledge I lack. There is no link at a user's talk page that allows that user's contributions to be viewed by other users. Dale Chock (talk) 17:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

See Help:User contributions. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 19:56, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

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How to restore posts to a Talk page that another editor deleted in anger?

I would be happy to seek help through chat, but I don't know what chatroom to go to and how to log on. A little while ago, an editor deleted some posts of mine and some of his from an article Talk page. Then he posted on AN/I begging that I we expelled from Wikipedia. I would like to get all the posts restored. Dale Chock (talk) 07:15, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi there. Can you please tell me what page it was on User talk:Mdann52, and I will restore them. If you require any more assistance, contact me. Mdann52 (talk) 10:03, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll reply on your talk page now. Maybe I should reply here? But at least I've given you notice. Dale Chock (talk) 10:38, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

ON SECOND THOUGHT, I'll reply here, and leave a notice on your talk page. Here is the differences page for the bad edit: [2]. You'll see that five blocks of text were deleted, the last of which didn't say anything bad about anybody. Again, thank you. Dale Chock (talk) 10:41, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

 Done and I'll warn the editor Mdann52 (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

In fact  Not done, per WP:AIV Mdann52 (talk) 16:08, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

He means the ANI thread where I'm calling for your block; any reason we should not make it an indef? Br'er Rabbit (talk) 16:22, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

June 2012

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for persistent disruptive editing and an inability to edit collegially on numerous topics (Link for any admin answering an unblock request - Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Dale_Chock_at_Russian_phonology). If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Black Kite (talk) 19:18, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

• NB: there are also some suppressed edits by an IP that were personal attacks and real-world harassment. Any unblocking admin should ask about, first. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 19:55, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't make IP edits. That is slander by Br'er Rabbit. Certainly, I got punished so severely for things I signed my name to.

Br'er Rabbit summoned me to defend myself one more time, but Black Kite stepped in before I could finish. Here's what I meant to post at AN/I.

Admin Br'er Rabbit has summoned me to defend myself one last time. I did not accuse Maunus of vandalism, disruption, immorality, criminality -- and I too am innocent of those things. The problem with Maunus is that he has always refused to debate me/discuss my reasoning on talk pages. That makes him the bad Wikipedian. I present a case for my edits even to adversaries. When I quote you sources, fill in half empty citations, find sources you didn't find that weaken your position, argue from the general knowledge of the field, and your response is just to scoff and revert and not debate back, what amount of respect should you then demand? Maunus has always been dismissive and imperious toward my well researched, educated discussions; so has complainant Aesos. Maunus was verbally abusive of me and uncooperative at four article talk pages in 2008-2009. Three years ago, Maunus blanked Otomi; reminder: "do not disrupt Wikipedia to make a point". Since then there had been no other incidents between him and me. Today, Maunus deleted posts from a talk page, Talk:Linguistic relativity, including his post calling me "scum". Admin Br'er Rabbit has preserved those deletions (he reverted the restoration of the posts) and rescinded a warning against Maunus. Br'er Rabbit made the spectacle of filling the top of my user page with the revision history of his notice, which reads: "any reason we should not make it indef? . . . Are you any use here?". Again, that splash of hysteria and aggression came from User:Br'er Rabbit (who is himself on warning not to edit from multiple accounts, as he acknowledges on his user page -- what's that about?). The charge against me is really just that I complain about ill informed editing, unsourced insertions of value judgements, and misciting of sources. By the way, admin Doug Weller: you got the news backwards. Mikemikev is the banned one, and no admin blanked Maunus. That makes the second time in this thread you've rushed to speak. Why is Br'er Rabbit hectoring another admin to do the final deed? Dale Chock (talk) 20:20, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

a) I'm not an admin. b) I didn't directly connect you to the IPs, but they're rather easily findable. c) A Checkuser would probably sort your denial right out. d) "Slander" would be a legal threat, which will usually get one indef'd, except that d) you're already indef'd. NB: if you do request an unblock, please read WP:NOTTHEM, first. Cheers, Br'er Rabbit (talk) 20:52, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

How to "contact administrators by email"?

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Dale Chock (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Please advise me how to "contact administrators by email". I cannot contact administrators by clicking on their links due to the edit block. Administrators don't list emails.

Decline reason:

Just post your unblock request here. Because you've been blocked as a result of community discussion, emailing single administrators won't work. Max Semenik (talk) 21:37, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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Seeking admin help about the blanking of my user page

Shortly after I was blocked, my user page was blanked. I want to protest this and inquire about it, because WP:Blocking policy and WP:User pages make no reference to such an action. The action is also not covered by policies about vandalism or preventing disruption, because the blanked statements were not disruptive or vandalistic. The administrator who did the blanking did not offer an explanation. Of course, I am blocked from approaching the offending administrator to discuss this complaint; about the only possibility for a blocked user to have a dialog about interference with their user page and user talk page is for the other party to initiate the dialog on the user talk page. Dale Chock (talk) 04:40, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Dale Chock. I am the person who blanked your user page. The reason I did it was because the sentiments expressed there were inconsistent with collegial editing; the remarks you placed there struck me as inconsistent with the kind of culture we wish to promote. We just had a big discussion this week about a similar issue, and I think I should restore your page based on the outcome of that discusssion. -- Dianna (talk) 04:57, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Peer review, English Language

Please review English Language, here, thanks!--Lucky102 (talk) 16:52, 12 September 2012 (UTC)