User talk:Hesperian/Archive 26

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Talk pages like this simply attract darling scarp flies :( - cheers and trust the ac is working Satu Suro 01:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet

Back from the dead computers - still tapping away in very very weird internet cafes in the city - worthy of an essay on the weirdness of life and backpackers with great accents :| Satu Suro 01:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh well just got a hot tip on a 94 commodore that travelled from queensland to perth with a french couple who are trying to flog it - might just replace the wife's daewood that was wrecked by our 17 year old :( - as for islands - Its a bit like the pastoral leases (and yes I now have more info on them than i could fix up before new year)- each bit counts and yes it is really worth the effort in my opinion - and just wait till i do my henrietta check on all of them :) - keep up the good work! Satu Suro 02:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock Request

As you were the one who blocked my wikipedia account, i would like to appeal that ban. I would like to post a request that my account be unblocked as a vandalism-only account. I would like to produce a deal that if i contribute to any way of vandalising/ critisising/ bullying or any other form that contributes to hurt or humiliation of a person (living or deceased) that my IP address be removed from creating a wikipedia account permanently. The only pages that i wish to edit or change in any other way are my own or friends of mine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pikalenko (talk • contribs) 09:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We're here to write an encyclopedia, not host social pages. Facebook is thattaway. Hesperian 11:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who do you think you are?

Removing my personal page? It's just the same as someone posting a site on a celebrity or a sport star. That was true, factual information on myself incase anything would happen to me eg. become famous, die, etc. If you are so high and mighty that you can't even let someone place a page on themself then so be it but your not helping anyone by doing this. Just making yourself feel better by making someone else feel bad which is one of the lowest of lows!

We use consensus, not voting

Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your comments. Please note that on Wikipedia, consensus is determined by discussion, not voting, and it is the quality of arguments that counts, not the number of people supporting a position. Consider reading about the deletion policy for a brief overview for the deletion process, and how we decide what to keep and what to delete. We hope you decide to stay and contribute even more. Thank you! DPCU 12:06, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the welcome; I haven't had one of them for a while. Hesperian 12:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mark John Currie

A second instalment added, incorporating, where relevant, information gleaned from the awesome number of sites and contributions you have made. Still much to do though.Apuldram 20:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Brothers POV tag

Many thanks Hesperian, I thought I was going nuts for a minute there! I wrote to Terrycrosby to ask him to remove the tag himself in order to prevent an edit war, but actually you are quite right about the POV tag. The thing is, I just don't want to touch those abuse sections, because you can see how easy it is to get shot down about them! That said, I'm going to spring-clean the whole article once I have a bit more time, and damn the consequences! Thanks again. Rob Lindsey 00:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeh, fixed up that bit. Left comments on the talk page explaining the edit. Cheers for the note. Twenty Years 01:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Twenty Years' adminship comments

Hi Hesperian, I had exactly the same timeframe as Twenty Years and have already discussed a 12 month no-conflict period with others. Just to let you know. Auroranorth (!) 03:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're quite a bit further away from adminship than Twenty Years is, Aurora. Hesperian 03:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

However, I have spoken to people, though. We'll see, then. Auroranorth (!) 04:12, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Domaleixo

This is the anon sock. Domaleixo was blocked a few days ago for uncivil comments. (See his contribs) and then (it looks like) he was using anon IPs to evade the block. Now that he's unblocked, he's back. He's clearly breaking WP:3RR but 3RR reports are a pain. I gotta go for now. --Merbabu 05:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chucking

I voted "delete" on that AfD because I got the impression that "chucking" was as common as a balk in baseball ... so it really doesn't happen that often? If that's the case, I may change my vote ... Blueboy 96 03:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quick hand?

You're an admin, right? What's the proper response to Talk:Gary_Miliefsky? Thanks in advance. --- tqbf 04:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Calophyllum inophyllum

Yeah, I was wondering about that — it didn't seem like a world heritage site, perhaps it was put there by accident. I'll unwatch that now. _Jame§^ugrono 12:11, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder what he was doing. Well, it can't be helped — and you seem to have cleaned the rest of them up. Thanks for doing so. _Jame§^ugrono 12:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe the need to claim articles was so huge that we needed to include plants and animals of World Heritage Sites, seeing as there are over 900 World Heritage Sites around the world — we have our work cut out for us, as a relatively small Project. _Jame§^ugrono 09:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Toilets

I have your /Resources page watchlisted to ensure that such notable and important detail is entered correctly. I wonder under which heading it should go - Caves perhaps? —Moondyne 04:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I use them both regularly, or is that too much information? —Moondyne 04:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AFD

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

It should not be reopened. If you disagree take it to WP:DRV DPCU (talk) 01:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your Behaviour

Thank you for your rudeness and threats. I can see I'm not welcome. You have been no help. DPCU (talk) 03:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Hesperian 03:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And yet again you show your lack of help. DPCU (talk) 03:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly what help were you looking for? Hesperian 03:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you cant see where then I'm afraid that telling you wont be much help to you. DPCU (talk) 03:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So stop wasting my bandwidth then. Hesperian 03:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I cant see what help you want either, but telling someone what help you need is a good way of getting help.

Gnan garra 03:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

East Island

Good man. In turn I have updated List of islands by name (E) Peter Horn 20:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Garden Island etc.

This one does not follow the naming convention, and there are others. Peter Horn 21:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it does. For some reason the dab page pointed to the article via a redirect. Hesperian 03:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For clarification purposes, which is which or are they the same thing. Garden Island, New South Wales & Garden Island, Australia. The latter should perhaps redirect to Garden Island, New South Wales. Am I right or wrong? In the mean time I made Garden Island, Ontario into a redirect page to Garden Island (Ontario) as the latter conforms to the convention that you mentioned earlier. I'll be looking here for your comment(s) Peter Horn 02:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Garden Island, Australia is a redirect to Garden Island because it is itself ambiguous. There are fifteen places in Australia currently named "Garden Island": five islands in Queensland, two islands in South Australia (plus Grindal Island was historically known as Garden Island), two islands in Tasmania, an island (which is also gazetted as a suburb) in Western Australia, and four islands and a peninsula in New South Wales. Hesperian 04:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just ensure total confusion when referring to Garden Is, in the RAN a sailor can be transferred from Fleet Base East to Fleet Base West move about 4,000km and still work on Garden Island. Gnan garra 12:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Countitis

Thanks for the link. Interesting. —Moondyne 12:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not wanting to clutter the above thread up with idle chatter, Ile Buache really takes me back to my early days here. It was probably a copyvio from somewhere or other brought about by a combination of newbie enthusiasm and ignorance. —Moondyne 12:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crikey! Your 41st edit, way back in '03! Are you accusing yourself of posting copyright violations? That would be a violation of AGF, you know. No more time for idle chat - I'm busy over on Commons uploading Henrietta's Abrolhos images. Hesperian 12:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

For keeping this place real. You are a classic! Funny stuff, keep it up! Twenty Years 13:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the cite help on AC, cheers. Twenty Years 06:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For your information

Yes I did read Wikipedia:Speedy keep immediately before closing the debate. I suggest that you read it as well, but only after you have finished Wikipedia:Deletion policy and Wikipedia:Civility. Your deletion request was disruptive from the start, and a WP:POINT violation once it was clear that the deletion of these templates would not solve the complaints that you posed about accessibility, of which I can find no sign of discussion at Wikipedia talk:Accessibility. You have decided to attack me personally rather than to pursue the discussion constructively on the many fora which are available. As an experienced editor and administrator, you should know better and will understand why I am blocking you for 24 hours to enable you to do the necessary research without further disruping Wikipedia. Physchim62 (talk) 14:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This block is completely unjustified. If anything, User:Physchim62 should be blocked for his comments in closing the TfD in question. He was the first person to comment on the other user (Hesperian), and in commenting on User:Hesperian, i feel that you personally attacked him, violating WP:NPA. Although, Hesperians comments did comment on User:Physchim61, and at times avoided the topic at hand, he did not violate WP:NPA. Twenty Years 14:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The issue has been raised at WP:AN/I#Block_of_Herperian Gnan garra 14:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AN/I#Block_of_Hesperian is the correct link. Cheers. Twenty Years 18:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unblocked

In my opinion this was an absurd block and I have unblocked. The diff cited for the block [2] does not contain any personal attacks. Criticism, even strongly worded criticism, is not an attack. Admins blocking others for criticising their decisions is unacceptable as it stifles discussion. I think both you and Psychim could have handled the situation more calmly, but I cannot see any basis for a block. WjBscribe 14:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hesperian, please try to avoid pouring oil on old fires. It seems people are sensitive about that template so surely worth talking changes out before making them if drama is to be avoided? And it is a protected page... WjBscribe 20:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see you've been fed a whole lot more lies, WjBscribe. You really must start taking what Physchim62 says about me with a grain of salt. Hesperian 12:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop calling me a liar and refactor your comments. Physchim62 (talk) 12:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

tooltips

(copied from Bryan's talk page)

Incidentally, it is possible to override the link target tooltip, you have to put the span with the title attribute inside the link. {{cn}} used to do it. see? The markup ends up being a bit ugly though. Probably still better than creating redirects solely to act as tooltip text though.—Random832 18:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aherm

I think I prefered your first reply frankly. I dunno what happened in the intervening 18 minutes, but going from a polite explanation of the situation as you saw it to an attack on another user wasn't a good display of judgment. I think you should withdraw that remark and consider a more productive way of resolving this dsipute. WjBscribe 16:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What happened is I found the AN/I thread (which I had taken off my Watchlist). WjBscribe, this community has a problem if it can't distinguish between a vigorous argument and persistent, baseless slander. Go ahead and count the number of things Physchim62 has said about me on that thread that are simply not true. This is what happens when someone insists on defending the indefensible.

Or if you want to try something more productive than counting lies, try finding a true or even arguably true statement by Physchim62 that I called a lie, and I will immediately apologise for it.

This affects my reputation. You want proof? All the functional changes I made to that template were made before the template was protected, before it was even controversial. It was since protected. In the midst of a content and personal dispute, Physchim62 reverted that protected template to his preferred version. I haven't reverted or even commented on that template since. These are facts, and they clearly point to Physchim violating the protection policy and stirring up trouble, and me showing restraint. Yet Physchim62 managed to make you think the exact opposite. That is the power of a lie, and that is why lies should be called lies.

Hesperian 22:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Request for mediation not accepted

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Ta!

Thanks, and I hope it gets sorted out. By the way, I was enquiring after my own copy of V. when another customer leapt forth and announced that she could tell me everything I needed to know. So I had a short chat about the book with her, when I thought to ask if she knew the relationship between the Author (book) and Author (botanical). I got my answer. cygnis insignis 11:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They were previously married <gasp!>, as I correctly read (between the lines). cygnis insignis 12:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I know, I will be able to read a whole bodice-ripper between the lines. cygnis insignis 12:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and it's still available.

I got some snapshots of the Half-way tree, at two locations - neither of which had any trees. There was a postbox, no longer in use. Do you know where on earth I am talking about? cygnis insignis 13:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Halfway tree - Western Australia.jpg‎ on 'Fremantle Road' (now named after the Founder, Statesman, and 'victor over the Noongar' (homicidal maniac)) cygnis insignis 08:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I just ordered V. from t'other side! Apparently UWA press now distributes from the eastern states?! cygnis insignis 09:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Physchim62

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Physchim62/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Physchim62/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Cbrown1023 talk 20:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I hope you agree this is a fair request?[3] Durova^Charge! 23:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Busy

I'm travelling for the next few days. I'm not sure if I'll have any internet access, and I'm unlikely to have time to log in anyhow. I'll expect I'll be back online by 2pm Friday my time (05:00 UTC) at the latest. Hesperian 12:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Back. Hesperian 02:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your vote on my RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a vote of 41/0/1.

Please accept a slice of panettone as an expression of my gratitude. Feel free to help yourself to some chocolate zabaglione as well.

I am humbled by the trust placed in me to use the tools wisely.

Cheers, Rkitko ^(talk) 21:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Abrolhos

FYI, [4] is a pic which could be used under {{cc-by-sa-2.0}}. [5] is some more. Cheers —Moondyne 05:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks mate. Already have some of these in the Commons category; and some others appear to be the other Abrolhos i.e. in Brazil.

Will get back to the Abrolhos real soon. Right now I'm Wikisourcing the transcriptions I did to kill time on the plane. DYK the first three articles published in the Journal of the Royal Geographical Society of London were all about the Swan River Colony? Hesperian 06:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Righto and good. And no I didn't. —Moondyne 09:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Email

Hey, i have emailed you. Can you please check it ASAP. Thanks. Twenty Years 16:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Censoring debate starting in Talk:Muhammad#Please_remove_the_Illustrations

You remember the minor controversy I stirred up by creating a template in Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board/Archive_27#Template:Indigenous_Australians.2Fdeceased and Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_August_8#Template:Indigenous_Australians.2Fdeceased debate? It would appear that what you were saying about Mohammad is spot on. PS: can I have next weeks lotto numbers?petedavo (talk) 02:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And so it goes around again. :-( But I wasn't predicting disputes over images of Mohammad; I was observing the existence of ongoing disputes. The argument over display of the Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy images went on so long they gave it its own subpage, which is currently 226kB long, even after removal of the blatant trolling: Talk:Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy/Arguments/Image-Display. So I'm afraid you'd be better off asking me for last week's Lotto numbers.Hesperian 03:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bummer. I could of done with the loot. Hope all is well for Xmas anyway and that dispute thingy has been sorted. I tried reading it but got too confused by trying to figure out what's it was about and one of the parties was as boring as bat shit to tell the truth.petedavo (talk) 04:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, me too. The issue is still alive, but my part in it has pretty much finished. The ArbCom are wrapping up the conduct issues, and I have left the content issues to others, as my presence in that discussion would certainly impede progress. And a merry Christmas to you too. I have a good long break coming up. :-) Hesperian 04:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gun Island

The sad thing is my brother went out there a few months ago. no photos though. :( —Moondyne 12:39, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

abt 15 minutes only. (thats my story and I'm sticking to it) —Moondyne 12:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Physchim62

The above Arbitration case has closed, and the final decision can be viewed there. As indicated here, Physchim's administrator access was given up under controversial circumstances, and may only be regained through normal channels.

For the Arbitration Committee,
Anthøny 17:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

On 24 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Eolianite, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 17:07, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas

Disambiguating taxa

Hi Hesperian, Very good idea. Actually, whenever I find a genera already used I have been doing just that. But in future I will use higher taxa routinely. Are you actually suggesting going back & fixing all the existing genera names which include (genus)? That's a bit of work. Cheers GrahamBould (talk) 12:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re. You know what I mean

O Is that a good or a bad thing ;) — Dihydrogen Monoxide _(Review) 21:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From Stan Rogalski - Re: continued/Multiple deletion of my Song Lyrics: "Moondyne Joe: The Legend"

Hi Hesperian,

Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears that my contribution of song lyrics to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moondyne_Joe Wiki page has been removed twice, by Hesperian.

Can you please advise why my original song lyrics contribution has been deleted twice, even after I expressly gave my authorisation for them to be on the page?

Is this page exclusively owned by/for Hesperian? Has Hesperian paid money to own this page, or is this a public contributors page???

Seeing that I am a new member of Wiki, maybe I don't know how things operate here, and I'm sure that there is a simple explanation that can be provided for the action that has been taken.

I am following the Wiki guidelines to contact the user responsible for the deletion before contacting Wiki to make some sense out of the action to delete my contribution, that at the moment makes no sense whatsoever.

Kind regards,

Stan Rogalski —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stanrogalski (talk • contribs) 13:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC) rics[reply]

Sorry for butting in, I had a look at the situation. For the lyrics to be included in the article they need to be consider of note even then we would only have an excerpt of them not the complete song. We also have a specific policy as to how to ascertain the notability of lyrics at notability(music). You also raised the issue of ownership nobody owns articles, content is based on policies and when discussing issues everybody is expected to be civil and assume good faith. Gnan garra 18:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry for making your time here frustrating; I should have been more welcoming, I'm sure. But we are trying to write an encyclopedia, and we must take care that material added to articles improves the articles from an encyclopedic point of view. For that reason, we don't welcome vast galleries of images - because even though the images might be fantastic, including a vast gallery of them usually doesn't improve the article - instead we place them over at our sister project, the Wikimedia Commons, and link to them from the articles. Similarly, we generally don't include original sources, such as poems or documents, unless they serve a clear encyclopedic purpose. Instead we put them over at our sister project Wikisource, and link to them from here.

In the case of your lyrics, I adjudge that it doesn't serve an encyclopedic purpose to include them here, because the song isn't a verifiably notable part of the Moondyne Joe story. In fact, some of the other poetry included there should also be removed for the same reason, but at least the others are historical.

Hesperian 01:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Houtman Abrolhos list of flora

That's exactly how I would have formatted it...if I had the focus and energy to put it together. You've done some excellent work on this group of articles. --Melburnian (talk) 00:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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