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PRHS' IP[edit]

My apologies! I had not considered the non-encyclopedic nature of the information. - Enzo Dragon 23:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Millers River[edit]

Ken, Can you please tell me where the new source of the Millers River is? If it's in the White Mountains, we have a problem unless you have an aqueduct to cross the Merrimack River watershed. If the source is in the White Mountains, the waters would also have to cross over the Nashua River watershed as well. I can't find the Lake Watatic that you added as the source anywhere as well. when I cleaned up the article, I didn't add any new information, only the referenced information plus some pictures. If you have a new reference for its source, please add that you the references. -- Thanks --LymanSchool 21:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I found it in Ashbernham, Massachusetts. Nowhere near the White Mountains.--LymanSchool 23:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Thanks for checking about the source of the Millers River. The "White Mountains" had been in the article for a while, and as you say, is way off target. I used Topozone to trace the source of the Millers to Lake Watatic [1]. As with many river sources, the actual main stem becomes hard to trace the farther upstream you go, so if you have any better source than USGS, feel free to change it. Mountain Pond, the apparent source of the North Branch of the Millers, is here. Your new opening paragraph is a big improvement over mine (or "The White Mountains"). See you, Ken Gallager 23:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Thanks. --LymanSchool 13:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Darby Field[edit]

In my book I can't find a mention of a field called Darby Field. I looked it up on the web and all I found was the Darby Field Inn. The Mount Washington page has the same claim about a Darby Field on it as well so it might be true but I have not found any info on it. Thanks for the compliment on the article! Marc29th 14:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I've gone ahead and removed the statement from both places for now. Even if true (which I'm still not sure of), it's not widely published (doesn't appear in AMC literature, for instance), and it seems a bit too whimsical for the articles it's gone in. Ken Gallager 14:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I have just added the info about Mt. Field to the Darby Field page. Marc29th 14:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

The Apprentice[edit]

Hello, Ken Gallager/Archive 2 and thank you for your contributions on articles related to The Apprentice UK. I'd like to invite you to become a part of WikiProject The Apprentice UK, a WikiProject aiming to improve coverage of The Apprentice UK and related articles on Wikipedia.

If you would like to help out and participate, please come over and visit us here for more information. Thanks! Dalejenkins 21:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for help with the two (or four?) Mount Doubleheads. I'm interested because Alan Hovhaness, whose music I'm helping to archive, wrote a musical piece based on this mountain in the 1930s. How can the second mountain also be in Carroll County but not be in the White Mountains, though? Badagnani 19:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I noticed your other edits regarding Monadnock, Chocorua, and Washington. Very cool project; I'd had no idea that Hovhaness had such a fondness for the wild places of New Hampshire. You're right that both Doubleheads are in Carroll County; I hadn't noticed that before. The one in Jackson is about 30 miles northeast of the one in Sandwich (Carroll County's a big county).
I have no sources to say which mountain he intended to pay tribute to, but my bets are on the one in Jackson: it's a much more significant summit (pair of summits) than the one in Carroll, which is more just a slight high point on the ridge of the Squam Mountains, which are a sort of foothill range south of the White Mountains. Also, Doublehead in Jackson is surrounded by ski resorts, lodges, and numerous other White Mountain destinations. While the Squam Lake area is a resort destination itself, I don't think that the Doublehead in that area stands out the way the one in Jackson does. --Ken Gallager 20:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Loon Lake[edit]

One more thing: Hovhaness also wrote a symphony about Loon Lake, New Hampshire. Any idea where this is? Badagnani 19:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Another tough one! There are two Loon Lakes in New Hampshire: one in the town of Freedom, which is fairly near Mount Chocorua, and the other northwest of Plymouth. There are also Loon Ponds in Gilmanton, Lincoln (near the summit of Loon Mountain), Hillsborough, and Fremont. I'd focus on the one in Freedom, because of its proximity to Mt. Chocorua, but the one in Plymouth is just as close to the White Mountains, so it's a toss-up. Good luck! --Ken Gallager 20:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hovhaness wrote a piano sonata around the same time entitled "Mount Chocorua," so I think we've got it nailed. Badagnani 20:58, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I found reference to one near Newport, New Hampshire. Is that yet a different Loon Lake? Badagnani 21:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing near Newport that's officially named "Loon Lake" or "Loon Pond". The most likely lake near Newport would be Lake Sunapee, but there are several other lakes around there as well. It sounds like "Loon Lake" is more of a descriptive name than the name of a particular water body. --Ken Gallager 13:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm, this is interesting... For what it's worth, there is a "Loon Island" in Lake Sunapee. It's nearly invisible on the map, but there's a well-known little lighthouse on it. I'd find out if there's any mention of Lake Sunapee in his papers. --Ken Gallager 13:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I just talked to the historian in Pittsfield, New Hampshire and he said that there's a Loon Lake in Gilford, New Hampshire, which would make sense, as Hovhaness spent summers in Pittsfield. Do you have any info on this Loon Lake? Badagnani 01:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

He probably means Loon Pond in Gilmanton, since there's no water body with the official name of "Loon Lake" or "Loon Pond" in Gilford. Gilmanton, in fact, is just up the road from Pittsfield, quite a bit closer than Gilford. --Ken Gallager 13:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Crotchèd Hill[edit]

OK, now to increase the degree of difficulty, along with "Fog on Mount Double Head" and "Legend of the Sunkook Valley," Hovhaness also wrote a piece in his Op. 1 called "Crotchèd Hill." Is it a real place in New Hampshire? Badagnani 02:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

There's a Crotched Mountain (topo map here) in southern New Hampshire which he may be referring to (no funny accent on the name, though). Or he may just be referring to any sort of craggy, pointy hill. I can't find any "Crotched Hill"s anywhere in the U.S., at least not in the Geographic Names Information System. (And I see you already figured out where the "Sunkook Valley" is.) --Ken Gallager 10:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Anthony Minnuto[edit]

An article that you have been involved in editing, Anthony Minnuto, has been listed by me for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anthony Minnuto. Thank you. --A. B. (talk) 20:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

PS Your NPOV/cleanup edit:[2]

Portsmouth link[edit]

Ken, when you get a chance, would you take a look at the link posted on the Talk:Portsmouth, NH page? Zip added it to the article and I reverted it, but I didn't notice the talk page comment. My first impression of the site was that it was too much of a link farm, but I'd like a second opinion. Thanks!! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Just curious...[edit]

Where'd you get the numbers for the size of Great Island and High Haith on Squam Lake? I live right across the narrows from Great Island and didn't even realize it was close to the largest :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I have a GIS layer of water bodies from GRANIT, the statewide geographic database. I have to confess that listing which island is the largest may constitute original research, since the acreages are buried in the database and I had to dig them up. You'll notice I changed the largest island to High Haith? I hadn't put that island in before, because the GRANIT data showed it as a peninsula with a very narrow neck. So it's actually an island? Cheers... --Ken Gallager 15:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
The map I have of the lake, copyright 1954 and printed by the Museum of Science in Boston and the Squam Lakes Association has this wonderful little note next to the "canal":

extremely narrow canal and low bridge, navigable only to canoes with water level above 561 feet

-- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Tux vs. Tucks[edit]

I see you undid a revision that changed it to Tux, which I believe is correct. Do you know something I don't? (I went up there today to watch the skiing ... boy are my feet tired) - DavidWBrooks 00:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi David, I wonder if either nickname for the ravine shows up in print anywhere. In the AMC White Mountain Guide, for instance, not only do they never use any nickname, they're careful to only refer to it as "Tuckerman Ravine", not "Tuckerman's", which is the common New England vernacular practice of adding the possessive. If there's no cite anywhere for either nickname, I guess I would still go with "Tuck's", just because it's an obvious shortening of the full name. Why would people call it "Tux"? ... Though come to think of it, the Concord Monitor had a photo last year of a (male) skier heading down the ravine in a prom dress. Do they have formal days up there now? <g> --Ken Gallager 17:17, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
"Tux" is very much the spelling used by the AMC, even if not formally. All the T-shirts, bumper stickers etc. that use a short form spell it Tux. And that was the way it was written on blackboards at Joe Dodge Lodge. After all, "tucks" is a type of driving position or something like that, isn't it? - DavidWBrooks 20:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay, sounds similar to the way whitewater canoers in Pennsylvania like to call the Youghiogheny River "the Yock". It still felt wrong to me to have the nickname in the very first sentence, so I moved it to the paragraph about spring skiing. Thanks for setting me straight. --Ken Gallager 12:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Deletion debate on ZIP codes[edit]

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Why should the sub-ranges and other ranges be listed before things known as just "Alps"? This seems contrary to WP:MOSDAB to me -- the full range is the primary topic, and gets the intro, but it seems that someone searching on "Alps" is more likely looking for The Alps (band) than, say, the Ötztal Alps. -- JHunterJ 18:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello... Do you really think things named for the Alps should come before actual Alps ranges? Perhaps I spend too much time working with geographic and surname disambiguation pages, but I've found in the bulk of those pages that the sort of random references such as were at the beginning of the Alps page work better near the end. Can't say I've heard of the band called The Alps. Are they famous? Feel free to improve. --Ken Gallager 18:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with any of the dabbed Alps, apart from the primary topic, but in this case in particular (most of) the subranges are already listed on Alps, so it is unlikely someone looking for them will come to the dab page -- I'd lean toward deleting them altogether, since not everything that happens to have "Title" in its name needs to be listed at "Title (disambiguation)". And someone looking for The Alps (band), while there may not be many such lookers, currently has to get through the various sub-Alps to get there. -- JHunterJ 18:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
How 'bout we put The Alps back at the top when they get played on one of our local U.S. modern rock stations? Really, I can live with it either way. I hadn't checked the main Alps page to see all the sub-ranges listed there -- good catch. But the other ranges around the world that are called Alps ought to be kept in.--Ken Gallager 19:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Pease International Airport[edit]

I revised your recent edits to Pease International Airport for the format you used is not the format as laid out in WP:AIRPORTS . You should not link the destinations of the airline, and the start dates of new destinations in airport articles. I hope you understand. Happy editing! -chris^_^ 22:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Rindge, New Hampshire[edit]

I see that you reverted my removal of "2005 Census" data from the Rindge, New Hampshire page. The issue isn't that important one way or the other, and I'm more than happy to leave it as it is now, with your reversion. The reason I chose to remove it (as well as the "Retail businesses" section someone had added) is because to me, as a long-time Rindge resident, it kind of smacks of boosterism, i.e., "see, we ARE a growing community and we DO have chain stores." It's just the sort of thing a small town with a bit of an inferiority complex is apt to do. At a more general level, I tend to think that updating population numbers once a decade when our federal government schedules the census is probably enough. I appreciate your efforts on this page, and also on the Lake Monomonac page, which while still a stub, is a huge improvement from the couple of sentences (of mine) that it started out with. --DHLister | Talk 21:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi DH, Thanks for getting in touch about the population figure in the Rindge, New Hampshire article. I did hesitate about restoring the info, because every edit you've done has been thoughtful and informative. As I alluded to in the edit history, basically if you see a town in New Hampshire with a 2005 population estimate figure, it's because somebody first put in a figure and called it "2005 Census". Since there is no such thing, I consult the state Office of Energy and Planning web page, which conducts yearly population estimates, and retrieve the published figure for that town. (Concord and Peterborough are a few other places where I've had to do that.) I can see the point of wanting to stick with just the decennial census figures, but I also see that there is a lot of pressure out there among readers to come up with more recent population figures -- it may be boosterism, but it also may be caused by people concerned at how rapidly their community is growing. Anyway, I've enjoyed watching your edits go in, and I look forward to seeing more! --Ken Gallager 12:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ken, I see you alphabetized the "Notable inhabitants" section. I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask you a question about NH town pages. I incorrectly moved the Notable inhabitants" page lower in the article, and it was reverted with a comment that the order is standardized. I don't question the truth of that comment, but I certainly do wonder why the Notable inhabitants section, which seems so trivial, is ordered so high in the articles. Do you have any thoughts on that? Thanks, Dave. --DHLister | Talk 16:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it follows naturally from the history section, especially when (as in Rindge) most of the people listed are from the past. It doesn't hold up quite as well when people start adding their friend who appeared on a reality TV show or who just published their first graphic novel! By the way, I alphabetized the section just because I wanted to see some sort of order to it. If you have a better idea, go for it. Sometimes they get sorted by birth date, for instance. See you --- --Ken Gallager 16:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Barrington, NH[edit]

Would you check the highest point in town? "Bumfagging Hill" can't be right... Can it? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

That was practically my first edit ever! I assure you, it's for real: see Topozone. I have no idea what the etymology is, but there's also a "Bumfagon Brook" in the town of Loudon. --Ken Gallager 19:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Freihofer's Run for Women[edit]

Ken, Thanks for the reply. I don't agree with your statement that I am pointing a finger of blame at Leghzaoui, sadly she's not the only cheat. She just happens to be one running Freihofers, thus deserves a mention.

You deleting my article which states that certain elites boycotted the event is a fact I didn't make it up. I've even included a link to an article.

If Freihofers are bothered by this negative attention then don't invite her, don't have a picture of her on the frontpage of the elite bios, but don't delete the article, don't erase history.

If I were to write an article about Germany at some point I would have to mention Hitler. Germans may want to distance themselves from him but he's part of their history much as the boycott was of Freihofers in 2005.

I look forward to your reply,


Hello. Please check the article now. Your most recent version focused more on the race and less on a single runner, so I continued in that direction. You might want to improve on my wording of "illegal substance", since I wasn't able to interpret what the Cool Runnings article meant by "EPO use". Thanks for the dialogue. --Ken Gallager 12:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
By the way, the only reason I came across this article is because I was trying to clean up articles that pointed to a generic Albany rather than a specific one. My original intention was simply to make sure it points to Albany, New York instead. So please make sure that gets preserved. Thanks. --Ken Gallager 12:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I can accept your amendments now and by writing the article in the first place I certainly meant no ill feeling to Albany or even the race. I just wanted to raise the point that whilst some races would not invite someone such as Leghzaoui, that race did and infact promote the fact that a convicted cheat is running.

Whilst I appreciate the fact that Wikipedia proper is not the place for opinions I think it's fair to say in the discussion page that it's a shame that a world class race such as Freihofers promotes someone like that when there's so many world class athletes that don't cheat and are honest people.



Presidential Range (Green Mountains)[edit]

Do you know whether "Presidential Range" really is the name of this section of Vermont's Green Mountains? I don't see it on the topo map, and doesn't have it. At first, I couldn't find any "Presidential Range" in the GNIS — turns out the NH range is classified as a 'Ridge'. Maybe it's an unofficial name? Obviously someone did name those mountains after presidents.
—wwoods 17:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi -- That's a really interesting question you've put there. I suspect, by looking at the arrangement of the peaks, that they probably are referred to by some people as Vermont's own "Presidential Range". I would feel safe in saying that four of the peaks are named for presidents; for the fifth (Lincoln), I'd want to see a citation that it was named for Abraham Lincoln and not Lincoln in England, the way Mount Lincoln in New Hampshire is. (Weighing in favor of the presidential connection is the fact that there's a Mount Abraham just south of Lincoln; weighing against it is that the peak is in the town of Lincoln, Vermont, which has a good chance of being named for the area in England.) Why not throw in a request for a citation on the Presidential Range article and see what the Vermonters can come up with? Perhaps the Green Mountain Club would have some literature on it? --Ken Gallager 12:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
If it wasn't originally named for Abraham Lincoln, someone later picked up the idea and ran with it. From the topo map, the overall feature seems to be "Lincoln Mountain" with four named summits: Abraham, Lincoln, Nancy Hanks, and Cutts. Googling for Cutts & Lincoln, I found James M. Cutts Jr., a Civil War officer awarded the Medal of Honor, who had connections to Lincoln, Douglas, and Madison.
I'll ask around further; I started with you because I knew you are an expert on New England geography.
—wwoods 16:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

NH Article standards[edit]

Hi Ken. Before I made the unfortunate edit/section move in Nashua, which you have reverted, I had a poke around looking for a standard template design for NH cities, towns, et al. I couldn't find one on the project page, so I based that edit on Concord, New Hampshire's layout, which has "notable inhabitants" farther down the page. So to avoid future mistakes on my part, my question is: where is project standard for laying out articles? I've had another look and I still can't find it; but I do see now that the majority of city articles have "notable inhabitants/residents" right after the history section. Anyway, sorry about the edit--I should have checked more than one city. If you could point me to the standards I would be grateful. JordanSealy 16:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jordan -- Thanks for getting in touch. I hesitated before moving the "Notable residents" section back to its place just after History, partly because I noticed the same thing about the Concord article, but I also know that User:SatyrTN has spent a great deal of time organizing the municipal articles in a standard manner. I suggest you get in touch with SatyrTN and see if he has anything written up, because I couldn't find the standards either. Cheers, --Ken Gallager 16:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the fast reply, Ken. I'll hit up SatyrTN and see if there is a design template out there somewhere or even an agreement elsewhere... If there is, I'll post it here as FYI. Cheers, JordanSealy 16:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Okay. SatyrTN created a template here: User:SatyrTN/InfoBox_Sandbox2. He also pointed me to the WP:CITIES project, and there they have a template under proposal. There is a difference between the two templates. SatyrTN has Notable Residents right after the History section, where the WP:CITIES project has it much farther down the page. Since SatyrTN appears to be doing the most of the work with standardization, it's probably best just to stick with his template (as you've already done). If the layout is changed later to match WP:CITIES via consensus on the NH Project page, then we'll fix it all then. Take care! JordanSealy 17:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

removing pipes on Storyland (disambiguation)[edit]

I have just a quick question on this page, if you don't mind coaching a new wikipedian.

Sir David Omand[edit]

Sir David Omand's name is so spelt. David Ormand is a radiologist. Myopic Bookworm 07:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi there -- Thanks for the correction. I mistakenly thought, based on the volume of User:Randall O's edits, that his changes were correct. I was unable to find an online edition of Debrett's, unfortunately. --Ken Gallager 12:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
That's OK. But would be odd for a contemporary figure to have had his name misspelt so very consistently in different contexts, especially as he was in the public eye over the Hutton report. [3][4] Myopic Bookworm 14:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Ken, Bookworm is wrong, all Offical British sites spell his name as Ormnad. I have all the Offical British sites on my favorites list. I would be glad, to give them to you to check. Just tell me on my talk page. Randall
Hello. I stand by my comment, and have put several references on User:Randall O's talk page. Myopic Bookworm 10:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC) I'll be leaving you out of this argument now. Myopic Bookworm 09:38, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Read this Ken, Randall here. Here we see his name, spelled Ormand.

Manchester, New Hampshire[edit]

As an answer to your question in the edit summary: Yes. Especially if we want the article to be comprehensive. The category you mention isn't really that large, especially when you compare it to other city articles like Thousand Oaks, California. I would consider Josh Logan's celebrity status to be similar to Hubie McDonough or Adam Sandler for relevance to the article. If the list becomes too large it could be forked to a separate list article. Heck, I consider inclusion of Logan even more important than noting that the city is the birthplace of a fictional president. Malber (talk contribs) 16:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I've put the question about criteria for the list to the discussion page of the Manchester article, precisely because of the issues you raise. (Which may not lead to much; I know I rarely check the talk page.) If you want to put Josh Logan back for now, I won't argue. If we put in a fork, which is a good idea, someone will still want to put in two or three of the most notable people, and the whole issue will come up again. (And I'll bet you Adam Sandler will be the first back on!) --Ken Gallager 17:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:List of counties in New Hampshire[edit]

Hello, I fixed that problem at List of counties in New Hampshire by substituting the template and then adding the second county seat manually. Now it just needs a good lead section to receive its gold star.--Crzycheetah 17:49, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Crzycheetah told me about this problem... in these cases, instead of the "seat" parameter, use the parameter "Noseat". The value of this parameter is displayed without anything extra. I've updated List of counties in New Hampshire accordingly. Tompw (talk) (review) 19:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Muldoon park edits.[edit]

Thank you! I didn't think that anyone would help me in the Muldooon park page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainv22 (talkcontribs) 16:28, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

RE: Captiva (album)[edit]

Alright sounds fine, it was late when I made the page and I didn't even think about it! Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by FAST 201 (talkcontribs) 19:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Map of Hillsborough County, NH[edit]

Hello again after a long time! I was just editing the New Ipswich, New Hampshire, page, and noticed for the first time that a big chunk of the town is missing in its map depiction in the town infobox. Digging a little deeper, I found your name in the history of the image (Image:Hillsborough-New-Ipswitch-NH.png). If you were the creator of the Hillsborough County maps, would you be able to fix them so New Ipswich is a proper parallelogram? You can sort of tell from the green-shaded Hillsborough County in the same image that the southern and western lines should be straight. Is this an easy thing to do? Thanks, and keep up the great work! --Ken Gallager 12:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Grr :) Since the same error appears in all Hillsboro County town/city maps, I'm working on re-creating them with the fixed border. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Ken - I need your advice. Take a look at this image and let me know which way you think works best for highlighting the town or city. The red, of course, is the way all the other counties are, but I kinda like the embossed green - and it ties in to the state map well. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello - the embossed look is pretty interesting. I guess I'm kind of conservative, though, and prefer the traditional solid red. That's just one person's opinion, of course. Thanks for fixing the county corner. --Ken Gallager 14:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

An appreciation[edit]

You are the guardian angel of N.H. Wikipedia. Without you regularly straightening things up, I think the state's pages would collapse like the late Old Man of the Mountain. You keep chaos at bay. Thank you.--Hugh Manatee 21:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

We don't have a NH Proj barnstar, do we? If we did, I'd give you one :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


Ken - I liked the changes you made to this. It is hard some times knowing how brave to be. Great example. Stellar 03:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi - Thanks for your kind words! I see from the edit history that I removed some entries that you had just put in. If you're convinced of the noteworthiness of any of them, feel free to restore them. When I see red-linked people listed, I'm more likely to leave them in if their description seems compelling, but I might get a little too "brave" about deleting at times. Happy editing... --Ken Gallager 13:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I came across the Jennings page via the Australian writer and then tried to sort out all the internal links to that page to tidy it up. Some of the references only had one or two red links in pages pointing to that list, others had several, but it will all sort itself out sometime. Your changes were fine. Stellar 18:26, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Would you...[edit]

mind watching XusSatyrtn (talk · contribs) and Snuffereet (talk · contribs)? They seem to be the same person... Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Appalachian Trail before-and-after tables[edit]

At the bottom of various articles regarding political office-holders, there is often a table that contains a link to their predecessor and successor, such as the "Political Offices" table on the George Washington article. I was thinking we could use a similar table for sites along the Appalachian Trail. Instead of "successor" and "predecessor", of course, it would have "north" and "south" or some such, with a link to the next site in either direction. Let me know what you think.

Bms4880 21:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that's a great idea. Another example to look at would be state highway articles, which are nearly all ordered by number for any particular state. I can't really offer any help in constructing such a template, but I'll be happy to help put articles into the order, especially for the New Hampshire area.--Ken Gallager 13:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

"Notable inhabitant" applies to dead people as well?)[edit]

Hi Ken, I was interested to see that you converted Robert Lowell from a piece of graveyard trivia to "Notable inhabitant", and that you pose the question does - this phrase apply to dead people as well? I don't know either! I am not sufficiently an expert on Wikipedia to know the traditions on this - or indeed an expert on Lowell to know if he ever lived there - but would be interested to know if you find out. I'm fine with your shorthand of "notable" for my long-winded description. Frankieparley 13:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought about it some more and remembered Claude Rains, who was buried somewhere in the Lakes Region. Sure enough, the Moultonborough, New Hampshire article lists him as a notable inhabitant, so I guess we have a precedent! Thanks for putting up your very interesting piece of info. --Ken Gallager 13:59, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Manassas disambiguation page[edit]

Excellent work, that! And sorely needed, too! Kudos!! Mmoyer 15:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Tilton School[edit]

Ken, Thanks for the message re: tilton school. I'll get a published document, and then post the findings from there, in a non-biased p.o.v. Have a great day! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:56, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Gov. John Langdon House/Mansion etc[edit]

Hi Ken -- Thanks for noticing the new List of National Historic Landmarks in New Hampshire articles, and for your quickly pointing out the need to merge one of the new ones into pre-existing Governor John Langdon House. I implemented that merger into the House version, leaving a "redirect" at the Mansion version, though the result could use some further editing. I hope you can make it a bit smoother, perhaps add more factual information supported by the NRHP text reference, and/or indicate specific references for the facts stated in the pre-existing article. Glad to hear from you; keep up the good work. doncram 17:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


Hey Ken thank you for the advice... I understand now how my words could have been taken in the wrong way... Scarredseeker 17:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)scarredseeker

New Hampshire town center CDPs[edit]

Hi. I think merging these town center CDPs is definitely the way to go otherwise we'd have permanent stubs listing only technical data with no description whatsoever. You can bring this up at the New Hampshire WikiProject to see if there is support. If so, I can help with the mergers if needed. I would suggest limiting to only those where (a) the CDP name is exactly the same as the town name, and (b) there are no other CDPs in the town. --Polaron | Talk 15:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


Doh! Thanks :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Metacomet-Monadnock Trail[edit]

Hey, thanks for the occasional tweaks :)--Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Even greater thanks to you for such a thorough and readable job on the Metacomet-Monadnock Trail. I see you've been putting together a whole set of articles on the mountains in western Massachusetts. Any interest/knowledge in continuing with the Monadnock-Sunapee Greenway in New Hampshire? See you, --Ken Gallager (talk) 14:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe after I tackle the Metacomet Trail and the Mattabesett Trail. Trying to focus on trails that are most threatened by sprawl, etc., as long I continue to be blessed (cursed) with so much free time on my hands. Monadnock-Sunapee Greenway is lower on that list, but a great trail. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 17:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

P.S., added a Little Monadnock Mountain stub with image & soon will add one for Gap Mountain in NH--Pgagnon999 (talk) 17:17, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Recommended for deletion[edit]

Hi Ken, I recommended this one for deletion. See the article talk page for reasons. Be glad to discuss. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 05:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

List of mountains in New Hampshire[edit]

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List of mountains in New Hampshire[edit]


One major problem I see with a list of this sort is that when links to it start appearing in other articles readers will confuse it with the category list by the same name. The problem there is that while the category list automatically adds anything listed as "Category:mountains of. . ." under the appropriate list, "List of mountains in New Hampshire" does not.

I keep coming to the question: what is the purpose of this list? Is it simply to list every single mountain in New Hampshire with elevation? So is it an "elevation list?" If so perhaps it should be moved to "Elevations of mountains in New Hampshire" But each of the mountains on the list has an associated article which shows elevation. That information is already available, but not in table format. What is the purpose of showing it in table format? Who specifically does it serve? Or is the article trying to do something more? What? Could this list be appended to the category page somehow (which is really where it belongs)?

Finally, why divide it into "4000 Footers" and "Less than 4000 feet"? Seems there's a little peak bagging bias there & there is already a list of 4,000 footers.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Ken, I've sent a message to the editor you suggested & have posted our comments on the talk page for the article. Thanks for taking the time to discuss this. (I too like the elevation list, I'm just not sure what's to be done with it. ..) --Pgagnon999 (talk) 14:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I made some changes to the introductory material to the page that will hopefully elminate some of ambiguity. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 14:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


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Just wanted to thank you for all the tiny but significant edits that you routinely make. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 15:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the speedy template[edit]

I was new-page patrolling and inadvertently clicked your name, thinking it was an article title. I didn't see the "User:" until after I'd edited.

My apologies, and I hope no harm done. Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 16:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Villages on Template:New Hampshire[edit]

I know you're the NH guru, and you always edit the NH articles I edit, so I thought I might get your opinion. Do you think villages should be added to the NH template? Such as Cascade, New Hampshire, Intervale, New Hampshire, Glen, New Hampshire, etc... I asked on Template_talk:New_Hampshire, so feel free to reply there. --Dan LeveilleTALK 04:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)