User talk:Mohsman

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March 2022[edit]

Hello, I'm FormalDude. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Andy Ngo seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. ––FormalDude talk 19:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@FormalDude

Thank you for your message. I am very new to editing and I appreciate your message. I had heard of Andy Ngo during a documentary and decided to look him up. Before reading the Wikipedia page, I had read sites that both praised and revile him. When I read the Wikipedia page, I was surprised to see that the overarching info presented was two-sided up mainly quite negative. There are both neutral, left-leaning and right-leaning publications and sites. My edits were simply to try to offer an indication that there seemed to be a left-bias to some of the comments. ```` Mohsman (talk) 22:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that it was a good faith contribution by you. However, your edits were not quite up to the standards of WP:NPOV and WP:RS. If you'd like me to go into more detail I'm happy to explain further. ––FormalDude talk 01:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Bishonen | tålk 19:07, 11 March 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Article move[edit]

I have moved your article American Society for Mohs Surgery back to draftspace as Draft:American Society for Mohs Surgery, because it lacks reliable third-party sources (please follow the link and read about what kind of sources are required on Wikipedia), and therefore does not demonstrate notability of the subject. All the references you have provided are obviously connected with the society. Please don't move it again. If/When you have been able to add actual reliable sources, please go instead via Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Bishonen | tålk 19:28, 11 March 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Question about conflict of interest[edit]

Hello, Mohsman. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page American Society for Mohs Surgery, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Your username also appears to imply a connection with the society. Please do not edit elsewhere again before you have replied below and explained what your relation, if any, is with the society. Bishonen | tålk 19:28, 11 March 2022 (UTC).[reply]

OK, I've discovered that you have already declared your connection with the society here, where you state in the edit summary "I am a founding member and past president of the organization". It's good that you explain this, but you need also to abide by the recommendations above: avoid creating articles about your organization, propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles rather than edit articles directly, and disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles. Bishonen | tålk 19:40, 11 March 2022 (UTC).[reply]
Hi

I practice Mohs surgery. Indeed, I've co-authored two textbooks on Mohs surgery. I completed a one-year fellowship and am a member of the American College of Mohs surgery. I used to also be a member of the American Society for Mohs surgery. I noted that the American College of Mohs Surgery has an article in Wikipedia, but that the American Society for Mohs Surgery does not - even though it has been around since 1990. So, I created a draft article for the latter, trying to exactly follow the format of the College's one already on Wikipedia. I'm new to editing, but in reading how to draft a new article, the instructions said that anything I submitted would be reviewed before publication. As all things I put in the new article were factual, taken directly form the Society web site or supporting references, I didn't think conflict of interest was an issue. I apologize for that.

Since there was no article for the American Society For Mohs Surgery, there was no talk page on which to recommend edits. I also am no longer a member of the American Society for Mohs Surgery, so it is no longer my organization.

I am about to submit a revised draft for the new article. I hope this explains things. Mohsman (talk) 21:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for responding, Mohsman. I don't see that the draft, or the article, have ever been reviewed. You need to put the draft up for review, rather than "move it to article space", as our jargon calls it — rename it to an article name — yourself. The sourcing issue is very serious, so there's no way it will be accepted as is. The society's website is not a reliable source. I understand if that is strange to you, but to show notability, Wikipedia needs sources that are not affiliated with the subject. To submit your draft for review at Wikipedia:Articles for creation, please add the code {{subst:submit}} to the top of it. Just copy the code just as it's written here, not as it appears in the edit field. (There's supposed to be a simple button to click, but I can't find it... sorry, I don't do this very often, but I have tried to call somebody else here to help.) Again, please don't move it to mainspace yourself. The review should be helpful to you. Bishonen | tålk 22:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC).[reply]
Hi Mohsman, I'm Floquenbeam. Bishonen asked me to take a look at this. I'm the one who told her about the {{subst:submit}} code at the top, but further review shows an easier way. I've added a header to your draft article, and it has a blue button you can click when you're ready to submit the article for review. You don't need to do the more clunky method Bishonen mentioned. She's right about not moving it to the mainspace yourself, though. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:12, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Floquenbeam

Thank you.Mohsman (talk) 23:48, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: American Society for Mohs Surgery (March 11)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Liance was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Does not meet WP:ORGCRIT

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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-Liance^{talk/contribs} 23:56, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Mohsman! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! -Liance^{talk/contribs} 23:56, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: American Society for Mohs Surgery (March 12)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted because it included copyrighted content, which is not permitted on Wikipedia.

This submission appears to be taken from https://www.mohssurgery.org/about-asms/the-asms-mission/. Wikipedia cannot accept material copied from elsewhere, unless it explicitly and verifiably has been released to the world under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license or into the public domain and is written in an acceptable tone—this includes material that you own the copyright to. You should attribute the content of a draft to outside sources, using citations, but copying and pasting or closely paraphrasing sources is not acceptable. The entire draft should be written using your own words and structure. Note to reviewers: do not leave copyright violations sitting in the page history. Please follow the instructions here.

You are welcome to write an article on the subject, but please do not use copyrighted work.

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Star Mississippi 01:57, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: American Society for Mohs Surgery (March 12)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Star Mississippi was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Still doesn't meet WP:ORG, and hesitant to accept until promotional/copied text addressed more fully. See Draft_talk:American_Society_for_Mohs_Surgery for fuller comment.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Star Mississippi 19:35, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: American Society for Mohs Surgery (July 20)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by 97198 was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:American Society for Mohs Surgery and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:American Society for Mohs Surgery, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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97198 (talk) 12:23, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:American Society for Mohs Surgery[edit]

Hello, Mohsman. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:American Society for Mohs Surgery, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 13:01, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:American Society for Mohs Surgery[edit]

Hello, Mohsman. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "American Society for Mohs Surgery".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Hey man im josh (talk) 13:42, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]