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Our friend's POV

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The Wilno Uprising nasty conflict needs more attention, if you please. Also, check talks and edit Histories of Lviv and Battle of the Lower Dnieper. This may take time though. And finally, if you really have time for reading, read the talk page of the Battle of Volodarka.

I would like to request some attention at Russian, Ukrainian, Polish and Baltic portals, re Vilnius issue but for now, I am requesting the attention of several editors who've could quickly inderstand what the problem is. --Irpen 02:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S. for Piotrus. BTW, your simple looking up the issue about Volodarka at Davies', promissed a while ago, could have solved the problem. Any chance? No rush, but please do it at some point.


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"Alexandra Voskowitz" Article (Improvements)

Oule, Ave, and Hello. Just so you know, I made improvements to the "Alexandra Voskowitz" article. I believe her real name (upon further research) is Aleksandra Wasowicz. Since you are the expert on all things Polish, I hope that you will take the time to verify again the information on the article. I would greatly appreciate it. Over and out. - Deucalionite 5/1/06 11:50 A.M. EST

Calling other editors N00bies

Piotrus, I understand that you disagree with the page moves done by some other editors, but setting up a section with the title that you did at the Polish Wikipedians Noticeboard[1], and calling other editors by derogatory names such as "n00bies", especially when they are not, is disrespectful, and places many of your own edits even more in doubt. It also adds further fuel to the concern that it is the Polish Wikipedians who are being the disruptive ones, and not the other way around. Remember that as an admin, people look to you to set a standard of behavior. Please try to maintain a higher degree of professionalism in the future, and avoid name-calling. --Elonka 16:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

While I agree with 'don't bite the newcomers' policy, I consider political correctness a folly to be destroyed, and I'll use shorter terms when applicable. Besides, this post was made in place none of those editors are likely to frequent, and they are both n00bies - moving series of pages without using talk is without a doubt a n00bie tactic. Any experienced editors would ask questions (and review discussions) and the main related page, which is the List of Polish monarchs (where Polish king redirects to). They haven't replied to my comments on their talk, neither. I'll be happy to talk to them and guide them, but currently they are n00bies. PS. To be specific: they are n00bies in terms of moving articles - the double redirect mess they created is proof enough of that. They may not be n00bies in some other wiki-regards.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, let's talk moves. As part of complaining about "n00bies who move pages without discussion", you moved the Jadwiga of Poland article to Jadwiga Angevin, without participating in the discussion on the article's talk page about the name. If you will check that discussion page under Talk:Jadwiga_Angevin#Name? , I believe you will see that the consensus is that the page should be named Jadwiga of Poland. Could you please move it back at your earliest convenience? --Elonka 17:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


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Grantville Gazettes

They were the same as in identical, as the 'S' one is copy. I was editing the other, and had left it earlier in the day for other matters, but you redirected it. Confusion resulted. I'd just been about to insert the image.

The one ending in 'S' is the Main, the non-S is the first title 'as published'. Note on 1632 talk I left questions whether to leave as is or change to conform to the others. Adding Insult to injury, Baen and Eric both seem to have gone to western numbers and abandoned Roman Numerals. Shrug.

TTFN, I'm going to bed. FrankB 05:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know much about templates either... thought you may. Isn't this one redirecting to itself? No answer needed per se. FrankB 15:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
  • OK-thanks. Just spotted it on the new Special:Unusedtemplates. (I'm catching up on the signpost notices). I'm not sure how anybody CAN keep up with all the hot air here. Time to edit in some content and finish updates! FrankB 15:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Gawd- it's after 12 already! see subsect 'user talk:fabartus#Categories3. Sigh ;-(

Best! FrankB 16:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Mediation request

Sorry that I have neglected to respond further to your request for mediation, back at the end of March. I've been drawn away from Wikipedia by other responsibilities and don't expect to spend much time back here for a while yet. Apologies and best regards, Michael Z. 2006-05-03 15:20 Z

  • I'd suggest asking Francis2000 for a request mediation referral, or SlimVirgin and Mel_Etitis in that order. We've been through some flamewars together, and Francis2000 was elected to the Mediation board, then withdrew due to overwork. However, would be able to refer said link to someone else. Might also try HappyCamper (lawyer) or HereToHelp. FrankB

Thank you

Oule, Ave, and Hello. I would just like to thank you for voting to keep the Aleksandra Wasowicz article (even if you voted to "tentatively" keep the article). I appreciate it. Again, thanks. Over and out. - Deucalionite May 3, 2006 12:29 P.M. EST

Please see the compromise proposed

Hi! Please see my reasoning and act accordingly. Thanks FrankB 19:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Urgent request

The article Dmitry Pavlov made it on the front page as DYK, but the notice is wrong. The year he became general of the army should be 1941 (according to this website at least, and a few others). I guess as an admin you can edit the main page, so could you make a quick correction? Thanks! Balcer 22:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick fix! Balcer 22:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


Hi there, Piotr! I am not trying to support Ghirlandajo. It's just that I wouldn't want people to use websites like that one to prove their POV. There's nothing to be surprised with, if you ask me. Sorry if I offended anybody, didn't mean to. Cheers! KNewman 19:05, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I did that?? Shoot, I have no recollection of doing that, please put it back on. It must have happened unintentionally. Truly sorry if I caused a mess, my bad. KNewman 19:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Me again :). Well, I have no idea whether Wpost (sorry if I spelled it wrong) is Russophobic or not, so I can't say who's right and who's wrong. The other quote comes from a Polish encyclopedia (am I right?), so I guess I would be somewhat careful about using it in articles dealing with Russo-Polish relations in particular (same goes for Great Soviet Encyclopedia and probably some of the current Russian encyclopedias). May I suggest Irpen or/and Halibutt as mediators? I know that technically they can't be considered completely impartial because of their nationalities, but I believe they may be knowledgeable in this subject and are quite balanced individuals who may be of some help. Although I seem to remember that there have been issues between Ghirla and Halubutt some time ago, but I could be wrong. KNewman 19:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

May I jump in? IMO, Halibutt mediating between Ghirla and the Polish community would be a Wikipedia's best show to watch for a very long time. No offence to any of these prolific editors, but I try to imagine Halibutt mediating through Ghirla or even myself with the Russian or Ukrainian or even German community and such possibility is eqaully fascinating. OTOH, I do my best to serve as a cushion between an extremely prolific and knowledgeble, but occasioanlly POV Ghirla, and his Polish counterparts, most frequently Piotrus and Halibutt (also prolific and knowledgeble) and Molobo (I reserve my judgement here).

While I have quite good wiki-contact with some members of Polish community, most notably Sylwia, Balcer and, usually, Piotrus, I doubt I will be accepted as a mediator by the community as a whole. If yes, I don't object but perhaps for some here that would seem a good joke too. That something needs done is for sure, I agree, but not only regarding settling the conflict with Ghirla but with POV pushing into Russia-related article and making many of them disproportionately Polonocentric. --Irpen 19:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Irpen, if you'd be willing to try your hand at mediation, I would certainly not object. I do, however, have to see an example of the 'Polish POV pushing on Russia-related article' - at least one done by sb else then Molobo. Also, I don't recall any significant conflicts between Halibutt and German or Ukrainian editors - but feel free to refresh my memory.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Piotrus, first of all no offences here, OK? Examples of non-Molobo's Polonocentrizing of Russian articles, is your pushing of Polish issues to Catherine's intro as well as edits of Suvorov's article. While the facts are not doubted, mostly, your perception from the Polish perspective about an importance of the Polish issues for this articles differs from the mainstream where these figures are mainly considered from the Russian perspective.
An example of non-Molobo POV pushing is recent Halibutt's editing in Soviet partisans article creating a chapter there totally redundant since material was already covered in BL, UA and LT sections and with POV phrasing like "Armed bands", etc. After I spinned it off, he replaced it with the [[{{]]main[[}}]] link in the section devoted to the Soviet members of the French resistance. I haven't yet gotten to the partisan's article yet after a fierce attack by AlexPU.
Are you joking about the conflict with German editors? What was that block all about? As for Ukrainian, perhaps it is easy to forget due to our moderate views, myself and Fisenko are Ukrainian editors (I expect another diatribe at my talk similar to the recent one, see there, in response to that). Halibutt had even a conflict with Yakudza an extremely active and committed guy, whose insufficient English prevents him to contribute more, while I am trying.
Anyway, let me know what exactly you want me to do regarding the conflict with Ghirla. I am more or less sure that you, Balcer, Lysy and Sylwia would want to give it a try. I am almost as sure that Halibutt would oppose that.
On a separate account, please tell your Polish colleagues not to use popups in reverting. This is more offensive than "revert trolling" or "vandalism". Also, what would you say about the Ukrainization article and my disagreement with AndriyK on that. I plan to compile a tag-trolling case against that editor, but your involvement with the article would be much appreciated. Times when Ukrainian nationalists hated Poles are long gone. It's now mostly Russians. See you around, --Irpen 20:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


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  • First, I find it very impolite to revert 3 edits of the same sort, without consulting or at least notification.
  • All of these images dervie from the same book, and since there is not single source in wikiepdia one can use to view them all, besedies using various pages that use them, I find it helpful to put a "see also" section mentioning the rest of the pivotal images frmo the same book.(there are 3). No harm done.
  • Thank you.

--Procrastinating@talk2me 15:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


I asked on User talk:Alex Bakharev and I will ask you as well. I think some action by an admin is required to admonish certain users on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pilot of invisible F-117-a(song) for their abusive behavior. If you have time, please take a look and act as you see fit. The main problem I see is the behavior of User:Dzoni, whom you might remember for his sterling contributions to the Andrzej Lepper article. Balcer 17:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for issuing him a warning. I agree with this course of action. He has not actually insulted me personally (though he made some rather bizarre comments on my talk page). I am just doing my part in defending other users who are targets of abuse. Balcer 17:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Ministries of Poland

Actually, I don't see the point of this section at all. And, to be honest, of this whole article -- shouldn't it be simply merged with Council of Ministers of Poland? agnus 17:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for invitation, added Polish noticeboard to watchlist. Still, I am not convinced about the need for Ministries of Poland, since by presenting all ministers in Council of Ministers of Poland you also provide a full list of ministries (and it means less stuff to update, then). As for history -- ideally, each one should have it's own page with a history of other ministries covering the same field, but I don't feel like I'd be able to do it in a reasonable amount of time... Such a red list, as it is now, without even any timeline, is pretty useless, IMO. agnus 17:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Just a question

I dont want to be blocked,but I would like you to be honest:You issused so called "official warning" because you are angry at my edits of Leppers article,not because of that song article,right? Be honest,we both know the truthDzoni 17:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Pope Stephen IX (or X)


I read what you wrote on Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło about the attempt to rename the page into Wladyslaw II/V of Poland, Jogaila of Lithuania, and I agree totally with you. I think as rule there can't be more than one variant of a name in the title of an article. If more than one variant is possible, the title must chose only one and the others must be explained in the text itself and redirects must be used from alternative titles. If such alternative titles were admitted in the article's title itself, then we'd have to rename, for examples, Stepanakert into Stepanakert/Xankəndi, Tighina into Tighina/Bender/Bendery or 2003 invasion of Iraq into 2003 invasion/liberation of Iraq...

I am myself implicated in a very long and endless debate which is, I think, similar to this one. It's about the need to rename the article Pope Stephen X into Pope Stephen IX, and so on until Pope Stephen III into Pope Stephen II. The historical reasons of this naming problem are detailed in Pope-elect Stephen. Those historical facts are not the matter of the debate. Everybody agrees on those facts. The problem is some users want to rename Pope Stephen X into Pope Stephen IX (or X), which is an absurdity because of the same reasons as above.

I've launched this debate on 19 February and it is endless because it seems to interest very few people and it's impossible to reach a majority. I'm now prospecting for other people who would share my opinion on the matter. If you think you have something to say about this, I would be very glad if you did on Talk:Pope_Stephen_X. I thank you in advance.

Švitrigaila 00:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

{tl|Poland-geo-stub}} split

Replied to you on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography of Poland. Would you be interested in collaborating on this project? Aelfthrytha 01:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)



I am sending this message to editors I know who have done work on articles related to communism.

Adam Carr recently started bringing the Cuba article up to standard, gradually rewriting each section. In the meantime, his work has been resisted for several weeks by a group of Castro supporters who dispute, among other things, that the fact that Cuba is not a democracy. Adam Carr is now at a conference for a couple of weeks, meaning his work will likely be undone. If you have the time and the interest, please take a look.

Best regards. 172 | Talk 05:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


Hello there. Are you sure Czcheidze was killed in the Katyn case? I thought he was killed some time afterwards, in its aftermath... //Halibutt 15:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I can't find any evidence right now, though AFAIR he was rather killed in some GuLag. As to other issues, do you play EVE still? Never seen you around - and I'm there quite often lately :) Also, I'm really tempted to change this word into liberation... //Halibutt 18:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Polska Pani, According to Georgian sources (from the letters of Georgian government in exile) Chkheidze was killed in Katyn. Noxchi Borz 14:31, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Im sorry for calling you both ladies. I know only few words in Polish and as you see im not using them properly. Im sorry. Give me more time on Chkheidze and i will have all sources you need. Thanks a lot and sorry again. Noxchi Borz 15:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Help needed

I am writing this to you, because you already heard about user Dzonis behaviour. User Dzoni is once again personally attacking me. He wrote to me in Serbian language after I had already archived my talk page. He is been using again the terms “Siptari” and “Sipi” which are in Balkan well known as Ultra nationalistic terms and used from Serbian nationalists to insult the Albanian people. Although he knows that, he is using this to provoke me and other Albanian user’s here. The correct Serbian name for Albanians is “Albanci”. He also wrote at the end of his “speech” that Kosova is a heart of Serbia, which is another try to provoke me. See here and here

I didn’t answer to him, because it makes no sense to me to talk with someone with such point of views. I for myself never insulted him. Please judge for you self. Regards --Mig11 22:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


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Take a look at Żydowski Związek Wojskowy, it's the first time in my life I used "Nasz Dziennik" as a reference... But the article is a tad better now I believe. //Halibutt 07:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

On a loosely related note, there is a new kid on the block who seems interested in the Wehrmacht and its clean hands (Kenaz9 (talk · contribs)). I might be too biased myself to handle his edits, though it is a massive action and could perhaps be reported somewhere. What do you think? //Halibutt 18:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Learn the difference

Racist?!?! ha ha ha My personal attacks were based on nationality,not on race.Dzoni 22:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Dzoni has been banned permanently. Balcer 15:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


I think there is concensus emerging that the recent moves of all the voivodships articles were invalid, and the editor who was responsible for them has so far refused to provide any justification for his claim that the new forms are official. However, it appears the articles cannot be simply moved back without admin's assistance, as the editor has modified the redirects to the original article titles so that they cannot be overwritten. So, I ask you here to move them back. The strange names the articles are currently under can stay as non-printable redirects. Thanks. Balcer 15:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I moved all of the Voivodship articles back already, but this user has also changed a lot of links, not all of which can be rolled back. Please have a look when you have a chance. Regards,  ProhibitOnions  (T) 10:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Liberate vs Secure

How can it be Polish Pov when im not Polish and there are sources which support this claim? This is where Wiki fails as a knowledge database. Anybody can "rv" the Historical facts. So if they have majority of their nationalistic POV pushers, we should be afraid to present a real account of the events because they will "rv"? Thats sad. Wikipedia has failed truly. Thanks. Noxchi Borz 15:12, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Well I agree with you but trust me for Ukrainians and Belorussians it would have been liberation in comparison with SU occupation. Well how about German advance on Caucasus? Chechens viewed them as liberators (although Germans did not intend to liberate anyone, on contrary). Their logic was simple, Germans were Nazis but Soviet rule was devastating. Therefore side with devil but against Bolsheviks. The fact still stands, Russians manipulate Polish articles and promote their own chauvinistic agenda. Noxchi Borz 17:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
That's right Noxchi Borz! That's exactly the sole purpose of Russian editors at Wikipedia! --Irpen 17:57, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Khatyn massacre

Please have another look at this article; the Soviet-nostalgist gang have been at it again, removing a neutral, well-sourced paragraph about the choice of site (to confuse with Katyn), while also adding Soviet-era figures from the official moemorial website without attribution (this latter paragraph has, however, also been deleted). Regards,  ProhibitOnions  (T) 10:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Kiev Offensive Update

I just wanted to let you know that I have added information concerning the legitimacy of Petliura as head of Ukraine's government (it was suggested by someone that the Soviet government was the legitimate one), based on the elections of December 1917 showing victory for the Ukrainian SR's, especially on the territory liberated by the Polish-Ukrainian allies durng the Kiev offensive. I put this info in the discussion section, and am considering altering the main page.


Andrew 11:23 EST, May 11

Dear Andrew, thank you for the update. I'll look over the info shortly, for now I'd stronly recommend that you create an account if you plan to edit Wiki further.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:28, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


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Dear Piotrus: I recently contributed an article on the famous 19th century Polish/Ukrainian writer and adventurer, Michal Czajkowski, but have trouble connecting to it because of the Polish barred "l" in his first name. Instead I get the famous Russian composer. Do you think that you could fix this? Thanking you in advance...Mike Stoyik 01:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


Sorry to bother you again about the Mauthausen-Gusen article, but it seems I have an inter-personal problem at the talk page (last three comments here, specifically) and I would appreciate your advice. There's this guy, Andreasgarde, who corrected a great deal of errors in the article. Some of his corrections, probably good faithed, were factually wrong though and I took the liberty to correct them ([2]). Most were kind of trivial, like changing the link to Romany people back to Roma people or changing "Heavy Industry" to heavy industry. We started to discuss the changes at the talk page, and then Andrea (who is most likely a newcommer to wiki) replied in a very, very emotional tone. My question is: is there something I'm missing here? Did I really offend the guy without noticing it? Well, it's not an urgent problem, so feel free not to respond. I was just being curious. //Halibutt 08:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

And on a lighter note: take a look at this link. It takes ages to load and even more time to read, but I find it hilarious. //Halibutt 10:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks :) //Halibutt 06:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


Mam do Pana takie pytanie: na Pańskiej liście nazwisk zamieszczonej w Wikipedii znalazłem nazwisko ppłk Albina Edwarda Rogalskiego (1897 - 1957); interesuje mnie skąd Pan zaczerpnął informację o dacie śmierci ppłk Rogalskiego? Ciekaw też jestem czy posiada Pan informaje o losach ppłk Rogalskiego po 1939 roku? Ja jestem historykiem z Wrocławia i opracowuję biogram ppłk Rogalskiego, jeśli podzielił by się Pan ze mną informacjami byłbym bardzo Panu zobowiązany,

pozdrawiam, Daniel Koreś

Witam na Wikipedii, Panie Danielu. Zakładam, że odnosi się Pan to tej listy. To jest główna strona projetku - wszystkie informacje pochodzą z Polskiego Słownika Biograficznego. Myślę, że przebywając w Polsce ma Pan o wiele łatwiejszy dostęp do tej publikacji - ja mogę tylko marzyć o dniu, w którym wszystkie hasła będą w końcu online. Ja obecnie nie dysponuję żadnymi onformacjami o ppłk Rogalskim poza tymi z listy (tj. właściwie indeksu). Pozdrawiam, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Georgia Portal

If you support to create Georgia Portal please vote here Wikipedia:Portal/Proposals . Thanks. Noxchi Borz 20:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


Late answer to [3]: it would be nice but I do not see sufficient number of enough active people to man it. For what I know no such initiative has been proposed on Czech Wiki either (they do not have enough of hands either). Pavel Vozenilek 23:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome

As Xavras Wyżryn is one of my personal bests on the bookshelf, something ticked and tadah- here it is, an article about this stunning novel. I'll try to notice everyone on a infoboard You've linked me, if anything more about Poland to write about omes in my mind. --Yogh 11:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


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Areas with predominantly German speaking populations

A false map is being spreaded on Wiki regarding the presence of German settlements on Polish territory:

The author has ignored massive settlement of Germans into Poland after 1939 (estimated by some at over 1 million with certain number of hundreds of thousands).The author doesn't explain why the same map is used for several different era's-1937, 1945 and WWII ignoring the fact of major population changes in WW2 ? The map doesn't show the exact date and as German population changed in very significant way during XX century in Central Europe it isn't neutral. It isn't clear what the map presents, if the map presents those Germans born in Poland or those people who spoke German as mother language ? Second option would indicate he counts occupation in his map. The use of colours is very strange since it hardly shows significant populations of Poles in Silesia left after 1921.

  • And finally the map conflicts credible scholary data on German population.

For example-map of Poles before WW2 [4] clearly shows that German settlement isn't as widespread in Poland as the author has shown on the map. Another example, a list of Polish areas with German minority listed: In 1921 Pomerania 1921-18 % of population is German Poznan 1921-16 % of population is German This numbers obviously don't support the map presented here where the impression is that in those areas Germans made up almost total majority. And in 1931: Pomerania 1931-9% % of population is German Poznan 1931-9 % of population is German Upper Silesia 1931- 6 % of population is German

  • Another data:

According to p.27 of the Reich Statistical Yearbook for 1941 the population of the territories annexed from Poland was as follows in June 1940: Province Ostpreussen: 994,092. Reichsgau Danzig-West-Preussen (not including Danzig): 1,487,452. Reichsgau Wartheland: 4,538,922. Prov. Schlesien: 2,603,550. General Gouvernment: 12,107,000 According to p.6 of "Documents on the Expulsion of the Germans from East-Central Europe" Volume 1, (Bonn, 1954) the following was the German population of these areas when they were annexed from Poland in 1939: Polish Territories attached to the Provinz of Ostpreussen: 31,000. Polish Territories of the Reichsgau Danzig-Westpreussen: 210,000. Polish Territories of the Reichsgau Wartheland: 230,000. Eastern Upper Silesia: 238,000. Generalgouvernment: 80,000. --Molobo 16:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Border Guard

Hi there! Regarding your edit comment: I "deleted" material from there only for 30 minutes - to create the list which you did quicker than me :). Why 30 minutes? Cause I'm using dial-up :(((, opening two or three pages for editing and logging off my connection. Of course I didn't mean to purge the info forever. Czesc, AlexPU 16:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

On naming vote talk:ebook

Hi again! I'd like to ask you to place a vote on the names issue in this. There are several parallel names issues, but the date driven category deletion process you began May 1st is begging this ebook article page title (eBook vs ebook) be stabilized as well. (see (currently partial note-while I 'spam') User_talk:Fabartus#For_Closing_Admin:eBooks as that vote is apparently deadlocked.) I'd just like to get back to content! Thanks FrankB 17:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


Hello Piotrus, could you help with the Fair Use Rationale problem we are having with the images that we added to the Transhumanism article. Like you predicted, it created a problem for its Featured Article candidacy. --Loremaster 17:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Copyright paranoia gets to us all, in the end. I think simply explaining on every image page why fair use applies to the image should be enough - but I am not an expert here.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Understood. --Loremaster 18:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Piotrus, transhumanism has gained Featured Article Status! How long does it take for the article to be featured on the Main Page? --Loremaster 02:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Samuel Zarudny Bogdanowicz & Samiilo Bohdanovych-Zarudny

Hey There. I happened across your List of Poles and am wondering if your Samuel and my Samiilo are either the same guy or connected in some way. Using info I found at the Encyclopedia of Ukraine, I wrote the following tidbit on Samiilo Bohdanovych-Zarudny. Hopefully this bit of info is of some use to you. Ciao Saintazariah 02:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Israel News Agency

Hi, you contributed to discussions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israel News Agency. It was deleted by User:Danny, but not done as an Office Action. As you contributed to the original AFD, I was wondering if you would take the opportunity to make comment at DRV. Please note that if it remains deleted then I'm not terribly fussed. However, because the community found that it was notable and should be kept and it was not slanderous (that I can see) I relisted it. - Ta bu shi da yu 12:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


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Thanks for your efforts! ++Lar: t/c 13:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Copyright abuses

Hello, this message is because of your comments at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Ta bu shi da yu 2. Because of the abuse of authority of User:Ta bu shi da yu, Tens of thousands of images have been deleted by a small handful of wikipedians, citing "fair use".

Would you be interested in joining a group on wikipedia which counters the heavy handed tactics of the copyright police. We can't fight them on our own. User talk:Ed g2s has began deleting fair use image on every person's user page and on several other pages, inspired by WP:FUC which was written by another paternal copyright policeman with absolutly no legal training and little understanding of copyright law. User:Ta bu shi da yu created the WP:FUC page and was responsible for deleting hundreds of Time magazine covers and refused to stop even after Time magazine sent an e-mail allowing wikipedia to use the images.

We stared this page, with this purpose: User:Travb/Misguided and heavy handed tactics of some admins regarding copyright

Please tell others about this project. The paternal copyright police are well organized and are intoxicated with their own trival power here on wikipedia. Like most authoritarian personalities, these misguided copyright fanatics have finally have overstepped the bounds of good sense and restraint, when they began deleting tens of thousands images from wikiusers' pages. Only a large number of wikipedians will stop this abuse. Travb 13:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I welcome your changes to User:Travb/Misguided and heavy handed tactics of some admins regarding copyright. I have changed the name.Travb 14:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


Hello, Piotrus. Sorry, don't want to say this, but it's needed -- could you block me for a month (or, better, up to June 24)? I need to pass exams, but editing Wikipedia is so interesting and exciting that often I can't control myself, and now it becomes a problem. Could you do this? Thank you, ellol 18:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. It seems to be a reasonable idea... ellol 23:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi again. No need for blocking... I found a template which entirely spans my situation :-) And sorry for my selfish whining. Hope we'll meet again at the pages of Wiki! ellol 18:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for linking the CosmoBot article to the School and University projects page. My class had no idea that other universities were also creating wiki articles; they were an interesting read. Kgroth 14:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Some problems

Hello Piotr,

having problem with statement in Švitrigaila articale.there is a statement which is not proper , in my opinion, to encyclopedia; but one member is rv. back without any reasonable explanation. Please see this page talk [5]

And also this is need attention too [6]

Please state your opinion. M.K 14:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for reply. But for which case you pointing this pranoun.? For Jagiello? Some guy/girl came and said that i asked for translation; but I did not besides in the manner which it was done do not contribute to expanding wiki and making it more accurate.Or your talking about champ.?If not so hard, please expand you thoughts a bit wider then 1 sentence. I would be very appreciative. M.K 18:09, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for fast reply. I hope you will find time to take a close look in "champion" case, because wiki could be the first encyclopedia which will in first line have not the title of person, not major events but a champion of throne competition . Its sounds quite bad, I suggested solution, but it was ignored. If my suggestion is bad ok, lets make something like the - last grand duke which was supported by orthodox,- or similar just remove word cahmp. or at least he could explain his view in good style :(M.K 18:29, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again! But you also could state your view on talk. M.K 18:39, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


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Thanks for a fascinating nom. ++Lar: t/c 01:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Query Still Relevant

Thanks for replying - I contacted you "off-list" because I know that talk pages show up in Google searches too, so I sacrificed convenience for privacy. Yes, the query is still relevant. I was actually just thinking that I needed to try to contacting someone again about the issue. I hope there is something that can be done to protect this person's privacy while still reporting fully in an NPOV fashion on the details of his public life.
There are e-mail and IM links on my userpage; you don't have yours listed here, but I wonder if you would mind e-mailing me? We can also try communicating via IM's - anywhere but on my too-public talk page! --Jpbrenna 07:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

DYK redux

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Thanks for your contribution! I can't promise to pick Polish articles every time though... ++Lar: t/c 13:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Renaming "History of the world" to "Human History"

Please discuss and vote at Talk:History_of_the_world#Name_ambiguity Thank you, __ Maysara 12:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Blocking Anons?

Some anon is repeatedly vandalizing the article on the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. I am relatively new here and was wondering how one can block such a person. Whom can I address the concern to? Faustian 17:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! I will try to do so if it remains a problem. regards, Faustian 21:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Soviet partisans crimes in Finland.

Hi Piotrus. Thank you for your post. If you wish to see some of the handiwork of the Soviet partisans in Finland see Soviet Partisans article's discussion page.


Study of wikipedia

Happened upon your user page and noticed that you plan to study wikipedia. Good luck. You might be interested in the following study I did for my dissertation [7] Antonrojo 02:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Are either of you going to WikiMania? ++Lar: t/c 05:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I am. Are you?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Imaginary DYK!

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Thanks for your efforts! ++Lar: t/c 05:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


Gosh... why do I feel that, regardless of who recreated the template, I'm gonna regret it..? Seems like my Slavic fatalism has woken up after winter... //Halibutt 16:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


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Dzikie Pola

I am quite interested in the RPG Dzikie Pola, but unfortunately I do not know any Polish. I saw you contributed to articles related to the game, and I was wondering if you knew of an English version or something.

--Gregortheterrible 19:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


I am a physics student, so normally I don't have much time. Last summer I read (an English translation of) Henryk Sienkiewicz's "Teutonic Knights" which first got me interested in historical Poland. For gaming I tried adapting the Pendragon rules system to a historical Polish setting but it was unsuccessful. I was quite excited to see a whole RPG dedicated to historical Poland, but disappointed when I only found information in Polish.

I have a fair amount of experience in RPGs, so even your quick and dirty version of the rules seem operable to me (as much as you have). As you say, the reference material in the game books is similar to the historical pages here on Wikipedia, so I could use that. I suppose I would question why there is an English version of the charcter sheet, though, unless you did that too.

Although I too am always looking for a good game, I am currently in the cornfields of Indiana.

Gregortheterrible 20:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

My Welcome Template

Thank you for the compliment! I have now removed my name from the template, as I did not realize that anyone else was using it. Best, Kukini 19:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Jews in Poland

I do not know where else to contact you-so here it is- I have a complaint on "History of the Jews in Poland." Being of Polish ancestry, you have allowed your bias to get in the way of a comprehensive truthful entry. You claim that "many" poles helped the Jews during the Holocaust when in fact there were only 5,000 Righteous Among the Nations from Poland among the general population in 1939 of 35 million and a Jewish population of 3-3.5 million. Per capita, that is nothing. You also claim that "most Poles did not cooperate in the destruction of the Jewish community" when in fact many prominent historians disagree. I urge a second look at this article to follow Wikipedia's standards.—Preceding unsigned comment added by FDR315 (talkcontribs)

Very absurd comments. There seems to to be a ridiculous effort to blame the occupied non-Jewish victims of the Nazis for abetting Hitler's Final Solution. What did Roosevelt, Stalin, and Churchill do vis-a-vis the issue? Dr. Dan 04:37, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Lelewel quote

[8] Might be interesting and certainly usefull in constant debates about post-WWI Polish ambitions etc. --Molobo 01:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Iron law of oligarchy

I noticed your very sage contributions there. Thanks to them it is now out of the "start" phase and looking like a real article. The Iron law is, I believe, the reason why the Wikipedia revolution will ultimately fail, even though it is occasionally televised. We are clearly in a painful transitional period right now. Away from openness, transparency and democracy towards a much more bureaucratic and yes oligarchic order of things. The forces driving this change are the exact same ones Michels identifies: Growth (both in terms of size and complexity), specialization, delegation, rationalization and routinization of authority. These trends are also driving away the idealists and replacing them with idealogues and eventually Apparatchiks. It's not so much fun to joke about "the cabal" or its existance anymore, unless of course one is a member. Some animals are clearly more equal than others. This process, is involuntary and, unfortunately, inevitable. At the end of the day, I'm a has to be...I don't want a career tilting at windmills....too frustrating and doesnt pay the bills:>. Thank you for your thoughts my friend, and for indulging mine,--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 12:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Your optimism is admirable, my friend (though not as much so as your many outstanding contributions:). But let's not forget that the sword of technological efficiency cuts both ways: While it allows for greater participation and accountability, it also allows the 'Crats and Oligarchs to assert greater control and better monitor us "trouble makers". A fact that is being vividly demonstrated here in the US, at the moment, by the NSA warrantless surveillance controversy. The very facelessness of it likewise, empowers both leaders and rank & file by making callousness, distrust and incivisme far easier (example:it is far easier to insult, or disregard a faceless stranger, than someone sitting in the same room next to you). Wikipedia:Esperanza, has basically, the right idea to help remedy this-create a smaller community within the larger one, dedicated to spreading good will and helping fellow Wikipedians in need. The problem (and one of the main reasons I'm no longer a member) is it really doesnt seem to DO anything in the way of actually helping to build/improve the community, or as you stated, to put a "human face" on the Oligarchy here. It holds elections, it issues policy statements, it attempts to address the symptoms of incivility and disillusionment, but nothing to get at the root causes of them. Meanwhile it makes many of the Esperanzos feel good about themselves for being members, and some of them actually do some good in the way of reaching out, mediation and recognition of good editors. But these efforts are mainly undertaken by indvidual members themselves of their own initiative, sans the blessing of the rest of ESP. ESP itself, has become too large and cumbersome, and thus fallen victim to Michel's Iron Law also. At best it is the Wiki-UN. No, I believe the true future of Wikipedia lies not with ESP, but with projects which actually DO something to build both the 'Pedia and its community...such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history for instance. These smaller, or decentralized in the case of WP:Mil Hist, groups will set about doing their "own thing", while having as little to do with the 'crats and oligarchs in the larger project than need be. If the crats and oligs, extend them the same courtesy, then this arrangement, while not ideal, might just work. If not, oh well, if nothing else Wikipedia is a fascinating experiment in organized chaos and functional dysfunction. As a connaisieur of Dystopias and a fan (though not follower) of Discordianism, I can still appreciate it on this level;>--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 15:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


Piotrus, I understand you are stressed but I am sure this disagreement won't bring any personal hostility. Perhaps, this article wasn't ready for the Mainpage. It's a huge work to bring such a major and contaversial event article to the Mainpage status and I am not sure even that it is at all possible. However, I edit it in good faith. My fear is from eventual joining of some others that would force me to leave under the 3RR threat or simple exasperation. I would hate to tag the mainpage article in such case. Mainpage article being tagged is rather unprecedendented but having an article on such a controversial topic on the mainpage is unprecedented as well. So, perhaps, some other of your article would be better there in its place. BTW, does Davies name the victor in Volodarka? Does he mention this as a separate "battle"? And what toponyms he uses? I doubt you can find Nowochwastów or Wasylkowce or Mironówka there. Just curious.

As for other articles, we should be consistent. I am sure there will be others to return occupation in the intros but I beleive we should be consistent, souldn't we? --Irpen 03:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Left a message for you both, on Irpen's talk page. Thanks. Dr. Dan 03:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

More at my and article's talk. Please feel free to reply at yours and don't forget to check mine when you leave a message. It is so much easier especially for those who follow to see an entire context of the discussion in a single place. --Irpen 04:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


All information about discrimination of national minorities in Prussia was deleted. Information that Poles were subject to discrimination in Prussian state have been stated as "historical revisionism" by a German user[9]. All information about this presented on discussion page was either ignored or claimed that it is a Polish POV because Poles feel unsecure living on others land, despite the fact that sources were non-Polish. Please help in achieving NPOV in the article --Molobo 15:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Comics template

Re User:Steve block/X2, yes, I'll look at implementing it soon, but I'm not sure the top level articles are there yet. Steve block Talk 15:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


It might help if you placed an IPA pronunciation guide in the "Polski słownik biograficzny" article (though, unfortunately, nearly all English native speakers will find it easier to understand "POHL-ski SWOV-neek bee-oh-grahf-EECH-nih").

You might wish to note the difference between "then" ("wtedy") and "than" ("niż").

KonradWallenrod 16:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Lechery in Lechia?

Does anyone know whether there is a connection between the English word lechery and the name for Poland Lechia?–Clpalmore 18:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


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Some very worrying edits

In Polish Corridor, [10] A user appeared that seems to try portay Hitler as trying to get peace with Poland being portayed as "refusing". He removed several sources I provided as to Hitler's real intentions. He also uses data from military presecence to claim German majority in the region. The same is done in Polish September Campaign, where sources showing Hitler's real intentions have been deleted by the user or changed to POW way that downplayes Hitler's agression and true intentions[11]. For example despite the fact that a source states The proposal served to practically subordinate Poland to the Axis and the Anti-Comintern Bloc. Warsaw refused this in order to retain its independence the user changed it to Poland, however, feared for its sovereignty and questioned Germany's motivations indicating an irrational motive on behalf of Poland. Further changes of the user are worrying. For example he changes German agresssion into "German aggression". The sentence With Poland refusing to abandon its sovereignty to German demands, Germany withdrew from both the German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact has been changed to : With Poland refusing its demands, Germany withdrew from both the German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact And so on. Please react to this. --Molobo 10:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Can this be considered an act of vandalism ?

I am refering to deletion of scholary sources with quotes without any comment at all: [12] --Molobo 13:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Propaganda co do bolszewików W związku z powracającą kwestią losów jeńców rosyjskich wojny 1920 r. Naczelna Dyrekcja Archiwów Państwowych i Federalna Agencja ds. Archiwów Rosji wydały po rosyjsku zbiór dokumentów archiwalnych pt. „Krasnoarmiejcy w polskom plenu w 1919–1922 g. Sbornik dokumentow i materiałow” (Moskwa 2004). Obejmuje on zestaw 338 dokumentów źródłowych z archiwów polskich i rosyjskich, związanych z problematyką losów sowieckich jeńców od chwili wzięcia ich do niewoli, poprzez pobyt w polskich obozach jenieckich, aż do powrotu do Rosji Sowieckiej. Tysiącstronicowa publikacja została starannie opracowana naukowo. Zamierzeniem było przedstawienie przede wszystkim środowisku historycznemu w Rosji i opinii publicznej w tym kraju najważniejszych dokumentów archiwalnych, poruszających tę kontrowersyjną dotąd kwestię, będącą przedmiotem różnych kampanii propagandowych. Dane dotyczą ogólnej liczby jeńców Armii Czerwonej w całym okresie wojny 1919–1920 r., w tym także liczby zmarłych spośród nich i przyczyny ich śmierci. Autorzy: historycy polscy, wybitni specjaliści zajmujący się problematyką wojny polsko-bolszewickiej — prof. Waldemar Rezmer i prof. Zbigniew Karpus z Uniwersytetu Mikołaja Kopernika w Toruniu — oraz prof. Gennadij Matvejev z Uniwersytetu Moskiewskiego im. Łomonosowa, a także archiwiści polscy i rosyjscy, przeprowadzający kwerendy archiwalne i opracowujący dokumenty, zagwarantowali wiarygodność i wysoki poziom naukowy publikacji. Dzięki rzetelnemu podejściu mogło dojść do ustalenia wspólnego stanowiska historyków polskich i rosyjskich. Uznali oni, że przedstawione źródła archiwalne są wiarygodne i miarodajne i odzwierciedlają prawdziwy obraz trudnej sytuacji sowieckich jeńców, przetrzymywanych w obozach na terenie Polski. Według ocen historyków polskich, liczba jeńców rosyjskich przetrzymywanych w polskich obozach pod koniec 1920 r. wahała się od 80 tys. do 85 tys., zaś liczba zmarłych w całym okresie działania obozów wynosiła 16–17 tys., prof. G. Matvejev szacuje zaś liczbę zmarłych jeńców na 18–20 tys.Publikacja obala tym samym rozpowszechniane często w Rosji opinie wymieniające kilkakrotnie bądź kilkunastokrotnie większą liczbę ofiar śmiertelnych wśród tej grupy ofiar wojny (40, 60 bądź ponad 100 tysięcy). Publikacja odrzuca także tezę o masowych rozstrzeliwaniach sowieckich jeńców w polskich obozach, co, zdaniem niektórych historyków rosyjskich, „uzasadniało” w oczach Stalina zbrodnię katyńską. Dokumenty źródłowe pokazują, iż przyczyną śmierci były choroby lub epidemie (tyfus, cholera, dyzenteria, grypa), które w zniszczonym wojnami kraju zbierały obfite żniwo nie tylko w obozach jenieckich, lecz także wśród walczących żołnierzy i ludności cywilnej. --Molobo 17:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Very important

All information about the role of Lebensraum deleted from information about goals of Nazis deleted, Poland and Warsaw according to the user are part of "Greater Germany" : [13] User doubts Hitler wanted war and Lebensraum in East and pursuses changes to indicate he wanted peace with Poland: [14] Hitler wanted to settle territorial issues but Poland didn't trust him: [15] No comments. I even went as far to give links but the user deletes them as POV. --Molobo 09:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Also Irpen has sovietised the Polish September Campaign as much as he could. --Molobo 10:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Does this fall under incivility rule ?

Could you tell me ? I feel this falls under civility rule(I am talking about the summary) [16] If so could you please ask the user to stop beheaving in such way. --Molobo 14:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Might prove to be usefull source of inspiration and facts

[17] --Molobo 20:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Kukini's welcome template

You mentioned that the sig part of Kukini's welcome template stopped working. It seems to be working fine now, so I'm guessing either there was a problem with the extension m:ParserFunctions, or you were using the usage {{subst:Kukini/Welcome|~~~~}} found on the page (this was wrong and needed the user namespace). If might help if you could tell me what the symptoms of the problem were? Ash Lux 20:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

An example of attitude

In the Kopernik article [18] I would like you to comment on this, as this user is completely unforgiving to my person and will simply ignore what I will say I am afraid. --Molobo 21:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


I posted your image of Mercator's map of Europe to Spanish Armada in Ireland. What I'd really like is an excerpt from his atlas of 1578, in order to illustrate the course followed by the Spanish Armada on its way home. Can you help? Thanks.--Shtove 22:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


I hope you don't mind if I copy your babel for my own use -- User:Antman/info Ameise -- chat 03:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

    • I'm afraid you might not like some of my tags, however. :) Ameise -- chat 05:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


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Irpen's new Polish language.

It seems bij, means now to kill. Oh well, Irpen put "in use" tag in the Polish-Bolshevik war, which likely means new revelations from Soviet and Russian sources. --Molobo 18:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


Regarding "Second" please see User_talk:Irpen#WP:PUI. Thanks -SCEhardT 18:39, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Second Battle of Kharkov

I noticed you took part in the FAC of Second Battle of Kharkov. The article went through a quite serious overhaul and a peer review was requested by the MILHIST project. You're welcome to go there and voice your opinions!

Thanks in advance! -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 21:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Soviet-Polish relations 1921-1936 and persecution of Poles in SU

Interesting article[19] --Molobo 21:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC) And another one: [20] The year was 1937. In Vladivostok under Stalin's Bolshevik regime, communist agents from Russian OGPU in July and August entered private homes and arrested Anton (Ivanovich) Gerasimuk, his son Waleriy (Antonovich) Gerasimuk, Jan (Jeronimovich) Strudzinski, Sigizmund (Vladislavovich) Brzezinski and Marcin (Petrovich) Maliniewski.They were guilty of being Poles. They were guilty of being Roman Catholics and most of all they were guilty of praying the rosary in private homes. They were jailed, brutally interrogated and forced to disclose the names of other friends, who were professing the same religious beliefs. None of them betrayed a single person.Each of them, following some mock trials by the communist tribunals, was found guilty of being active and participating in a Polish religious counter-revolutionary organization. In February 1938 they were all executed by the firing squads and buried in mass graves along with numerous victims of Stalin on the outskirts of Vladivostok. Just a sample of course. --Molobo 21:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


Hi Piotrus, I'm sorry I wasn't able to update the PSW template in time for the FA.

By the way, I'd like to create a campaignbox for the Livonian War, but I don't have a list of battles handy. Would you be able to help me out? Appleseed (Talk) 22:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


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2 topics


1st. I've just stumbled over the Katyn Massacre article; ny congratulations. The only thing I can contribute to it is to suggest that you might want to include a comment about Putzi Hufnagel (sp?)'s evaluation of the likelihood of the Nazis having done it. Putzi was the German-American 'foreign press secretary' for Hitler (mostly prior ot the US entry into the War) and in his book about his experiences he commented on his interrogation about the Katyn announcement from Goebbels, and his evaluation is interesting.

2nd. Treecat has been stable for quite a while (save for maintenance by me every so often) and it may be that it's suitable for featured status. The writings not bad, if I have to say so myself. But, it's about an extended length article about a fictional species in a fictional series... And, it's not footnoted to the 'canonical texts', inline or otherwise. Maybe not suited? What do you think? Not very many people have commented, really, so I thought I'd ask you. Clearly, if nominated, I shouldn't be doing it myself (modesty, you know). Thoughts? Comments? ww 16:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

P, It's "Ernst “Putzi” Hanfstaengl" (no wonder I couldn't spell it!), and he's actually American. Went to Harvard I think. Was real tall, and played piano in such a way as to sooth the beast (ie, Hitler). Went back to Germany after WWI to deal with a family business and somehow got hooked up with Adolf and crowd sometime just before the Beer hall Putsch. Got out just before the long knives would have gone after him and spent the War under Allied detention as a possible Nazi. Not clear he ever was, quite. Seems to have been gullible more than anything else. Maybe. ww 18:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
P, Thanks for the nomination, but I must decline. I'm only repeating information out of my dustbin of a mind. It all comes from a book I read a few years ago about Putzi (by his son? or maybe the intro was by his son and it was his book?). I no longer have the book, as it went with so much else in the break. The bit about Katyn bears only on Putzi's 'expert' analysis of the Goebbels announcement when the site was discovered by the Wehrmacht. Justifies maybe a sentence or two in the Allied section of the article. At most.
I gather you're in academia and have access to library resources that I don't. If so, you're much better suited to add it, if it deserves to be there, than I. ww 19:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC) <-- channeling the ghost of WT Sherman

cp paranoia

I restored the request for clarification here, but if you are interested, please follow up on this. I can easily re-upload the image if the deletion ends up to be found unwarranted. OTOH, I have enough detractors who scrutinize my activity (the latter I don't mind) to make a fuss of the image on the topic that many people care much more than myself. Maybe you could give this image a better defence. --Irpen 20:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Also, whoever's sock this is (maybe not but unlikely), please take a look at his contributions. With Witkacy's being gone, Molobo is really enough with occasionally others (we all know the names) joining him out of lost temper. --Irpen 20:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Date style on your userpage.

I like the date style on your userpage quite a bit. I was wondering if I may use it on mine, with credit, of course. May I? Picaroon9288 21:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree

It is very unfortunate, but I am aware of *some* Russian editors' practises and their boycot of editors interested in Polish history, esp. if they dont confrom to their severely polonophobic POV. Since I know that my comments will most likely be deleted by these editors, I have decided to purge my talk page from their comments, communicating only through article talk pages. I wish I didnt have to do this, as it leads to a decline in Wikipedian spirit, but Im not the one who started the unhealthy practice. Reichenbach 22:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Project Camelot

Hello. You've been (re-)adding the link to Project Camelot as a reference. I can't really understand why, as this link redirects (me, at least) to, which has nothing to do with Project Camelot. Could you explain your reasoning? Thanks and best regards, Sandstein 20:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the response - I do believe you. I use Firefox and all I get is, even when clicking on the link in The behaviour of this site (which appears to be rather... out of the mainstream, anyway) is very odd; maybe the article doesn't need it as a reference and the .mil link is all we need? Sandstein 20:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah, indeed, when using IE I get to see the article. Odd, but maybe the problem is in my Firefox somewhere, so I'll let it be for now. Thanks and have a good day, Sandstein 20:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Refusal to discuss and removal of tag without any discussion

Please look here: I presented several sources that show the view of the article doesn't reflect the historic assesment of the country presented[21] Following this I added a tag requesting neutrality to be discussed. It was removed without any comment on disccusion page by another user who made several rather incivil remarks[22] . Could you adress him ? It seems he is unwilling to adress the issue. --Molobo 20:56, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Dates, ex. Józef Piłsudski


It is very easy to fix date links for any page. You can give yourself a 'dates' tab in edit mode. Simply add the entire contents of User:Bobblewik/monobook.js to User:Piotrus/monobook.js. Then follow the instructions in your monobook to clear the cache:

  • Mozilla/Safari/Konqueror/Firefox: press Ctrl-Shift-R
  • Internet Explorer: press Ctrl-F5
  • Opera: press F5

before it will work.

You can then fix all the date links in your watchlist. You will also get a 'units' tab. Hope that helps. bobblewik 18:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Wawrzyniec Grzymała Goślicki

I am interested in the connection between Thomas Jefferson and Grzymała Goślicki. I notice that you edited the Grzymała Goślicki article on 28 October 2005 adding the comment "... book was read and commented by Thomas Jefferson. Can you tell me where this information came from? Where can I find Jefferson's comments regarding Goślicki? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gjm5025 (talkcontribs)


Updated DYK query On June 2, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bezdany raid, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 11:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Please see this discussion

[23] --Molobo 12:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for responding to my question. I'm aware of the Lech/Czech/Rus story but sometimes in the old days words came into the lexicon based upon one culture's view of another's. I thought that lechery could have been a trait imputed to the Poles of yesteryear, though I'm sure it's unlikely.–Clpalmore 22:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Khmelnytskyi Uprising

Can I ask you to move Khmelnytskyi Uprising to Khmelnytsky Uprising for consistency with the article Bohdan Khmelnytsky. (I would have moved it myself but someone fixed the double redirect earlier... --Kuban Cossack Romanov Flag.svg 15:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


Even if there was something wrong with the article (which is small if anything) then it can be fixed. I hope that this article does indeed become featured. Эйрон Кинни (t) 19:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It's been my pleasure to contribute to an article with such high potential. Эйрон Кинни (t) 20:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Cherie (actress)


Some time ago I have created an entry for Cherie, an adult actress. It was ok until now. Someone keeps deleting the whole entry. I know this is now someone from Wikipedia, but a regular vandal. I have fixed the entry couple of times, yet it keeps being vandalised. Is there a way to find out who this is and warn that person?

Norum 5 June, 2006

Hi again,

Thanks for replying to my message. The problem is that it doesn't show up in history of the entry. No user name, no IP. No trace of whoever did it.

Norum 5 June, 2006


Thanks, tzn, dzięki za komentarz :). Część winy za ignorację powszechną na temacie polskiej historii ponoszą Polacy w tym że za mało tłumaczą na i wydają w języku angielskim/itp swoje dzieła i literaturę, robiąc to wyłącznie na swoim podwórku. Na szczęście, są Wikipedioholicy jak Ty którzy poprawiają tę sytuację. :) --Vegalabs 20:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Chętnie, ale sam wiesz jaka męcząca walka z propagandą jest, np. kiedy każdy sąsiad chce sobie przywłaszczyć kogoś :). Ale cóż, inaczej nie można. --Vegalabs 20:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Kukini's Welcome

I went ahead and just forked Kukini's welcome with my own at {{User:Ashlux/Welcome}}. You will not need to pass a sig parameter like the previous version. You seemed like you liked Kukini's welcome, so I thought I'd give you the option to use it with the sig. -- Ash Lux (talk | contribs) 22:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

OK you two...I will try Ashlux's welcome to see how and why mine is now inferior. Heh. Kinda amusing to have ya discussing it. Of course anyone can simply copy it and make it their own as did Ash Lux. For some reason, when I used it, it did not come out the way I wanted it to...a sig was above it and not inside it. Then again, I am no programmer by ANY stretch of the imagination. Oh...and I am glad that others do value welcoming new members in with a good welcome. Thanks for doing that!!! I really believe it can make a difference in our community. Kukini 03:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Not all mine...but I do like it. Thanks for the yellow thingie. Kukini 03:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi Piotrus - I've noticed that English Wikipedia's article on Mably spells his name differently (Bonnet/Bonnot) from many other sources. Do you know if they are both correct? The French National Library goes for Bonnot - but I don't know anything about this topic. By the way, all praise to your impressive output of interesting articles! --HJMG 09:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I shall take your advice about Google Books and putting a note on the talk page. --HJMG 07:56, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On June 6, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Stanislaw Warszycki, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 10:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Wcale się nie obrażam, wręcz przeciwnie

Dzięki za wskazówkę językową. Myślałam o słówku "usually", ale pod względem treści jakoś mi tu ono nie pasowało. Dlatego użyłam "rather", często spotykam się z taką konstrukcją. A może pomyliłam "rather" z "mostly"? A może po prostu ludzie, z którymi się komunikuję, znają angielski na tym samym poziomie co ja ;-)) Tak czy siak, dzięki, przy następnej edycji mojej stronki wezmę to pod uwagę :-) Pilecka 17:29, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Image talk:Teutonic order charge.jpg

Hey Piotrus! You might want to take a look at Image talk:Teutonic order charge.jpg, an image you uploaded a while ago. Olessi 21:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)

Sorry, I didn't see any "John" make Władysław II Jagiełło of Lithuania and Poland as a proposal at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles). Afaik, there's only one John on that page, and that's "John k" to whom I replied. And John k had made the Wladyslaw II Jagiello of Poland proposal (the only proposal I saw him make specifically regarding this monarch), a few edits above my reply on that page.

Could you correct your error at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)? Unless I overlooked something, in that case: could you explain? I'd rather not touch your edits on that page. --Francis Schonken 16:06, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

And the same error has now been copied to Talk:Wladyslaw II Jagiellon of Poland. Could you please correct your error there too? tx! --Francis Schonken 16:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK suggestions mangled?

I think your suggestion against the 1930 election got mangled because you made it while I was in the midst of an update run.. you may want to review and fix if necessary... best wishes and thanks for your support of DYK! ++Lar: t/c 18:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On June 8, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Henryk Zieliński, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 11:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On June 8, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Polish legislative election, 1930, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Repnin image

* 23:01, 7 June 2006 I@n deleted "Image:Nikolai Vasilyevich Repnin.jpg" (dup of img in Commons) But apparently the image has a different names and now we have broken images at Repnin Sejm, Nicholas Repnin and possibly other places. Could you look into it?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

My apologies for that - it should be fixed now. I was doing some housework in Category:Images with the same name on Wikimedia Commons. Clearing this list is a painfully manual task and apparently I missed one as having a different name. In the course of fixing though, I managed to duplicate it on Commons, so I'll now have to get the unused one removed. -- I@ntalk 01:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Jerzy Ficowski, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 12:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Arch. of Wrocław

I'll try to talk a look at Archdiocese of Wrocław on Saturday to see if anything catches my eye. Olessi 00:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Herb Aksak

Herb Aksak From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search This page was for commons:wiki.I did a mistake and I do not know how to erase it. Gustavo Szwedowski de Korwin 05:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from ""

GRACIAS Gustavo Szwedowski de Korwin 06:06, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Lithuanian resistance

I see no one else writing on this topic from Lithuanian wikipedians. It would take a lot of time, I cannot promise I will do it. Sigitas 10:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Piotrus, I created a stub for Ypatingasis būrys as you suggested Sigitas 15:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Lithuanian Security Police, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 12:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding this case

I wanted to let you know that I have read the mediation cabal case you presented and would be willing to help out, however, I am unsure there is much I can do. The mediation cabal doesn't have any power and only can help others discuss, for the most part. Therefore, I'd suggest making all interested parties aware of the case, and ask if they would like to participate. If they would, there's something; if they don't, I'd suggest another method of dispute resolution because I'm not sure if there's anything I can do. Normally I'd go and alert each of the involved parties, but the list was vague, so perhaps putting a notice where interested parties would see it? You can contact me on my talk page, by email, and I'll watch the case page. Cheers! --Keitei (talk) 01:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

The Calculus of Consent

Congrats on starting The Calculus of Consent, P. I've suggested expanding it on the Talk page. Looks like you have more than enough on your plate, though.

BB Thomasmeeks 16:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


Piotrus, regarding this summary and the edit itself, I can't reconsile it with, say, this one also by yourself. Every time I see such double standards, it saddens be a whole lot. --Irpen 00:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

You are correct. It is sometimes funny how one sees different things differently. You are correct that both of those events can be named invasion. I would still argue that there are important differences, and that we should aboid the use of word 'invasion' as a rule, but I will not revert this issue in Minin again.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, would you please take a look at the current state of the article then? I would be interested in your take on what Molobo wrote. The usage of the "national hero", "invasion", Russia, etc, has been references to as mainstream sources as you can possibly get and I can get as many more as requested. He replaced this all with Molobo-style nonsense, deleted refs, including to EB and trolled the article to the level beyond recognition. Thanks, --Irpen 01:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

copyvio at Tales of Pirx the Pilot

Hi Piotrus,

I noticed that edits you made at Tales of Pirx the Pilot contain some copyright violations. Specifically, you wrote "Tales... can be viewed as a moderately hard science fiction, probably the closest things that Lem has written to conventional science fiction as readers in the English-speaking world know the genre.", a small review of the book found here: [24] says "His adventures are moderately hard science fiction, probably the closest things that Lem has written to conventional SF as readers in the English-speaking world know the genre." You describe the story On Patrol as "A cautionary tales about the dangers of taking machines at their word." The review describes it and the preceding story as "cautionary tales about the dangers of taking machines at their word." Your description of the story Terminus: "Pirx takes command of an ancient, wheezing spaceship whose reactor-maintenance robot has a peculiar habit... and a long memory. Never trust a machine...", the reviews: "Finally, my favorite of the stories is "Terminus", in which Pirx takes command of an ancient, wheezing spaceship whose reactor-maintenance robot has a peculiar habit... and a long memory." Can you please review your contributions to make sure there are no further issues and then rewrite the sentences or properly attribute them?

Thanks, GabrielF 02:05, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting this. GabrielF 02:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)