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User page?[edit]

Perhaps you would like to create a user page for yourself, even something very brief. I find that having some words to look at helps other editors get a sense of your editing interest. Especially with jumping in with first edits on a politicized topic, it assuages some doubts about possible editing agenda.

Btw. I'd like to see the emails where CU staff discuss hiring Churchill because of ethnicity. If you have a citation/link to those, I think it merits inclusion. But just rumors that such emails might exist isn't WP:V. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 22:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Chance to fight vandalism[edit]

While I certainly disagree with some of the credence you give to the anti-Churchill faction than I would like, I greatly appreciate that you've refrained from the sort of ranting that has repeatedly marred the page. So with that, I was hoping you could help me fight the destructive editing by User:Fluterst who keeps sticking in nonsense like (and reverting perfectly neutral changes while s/he's at it):

Ward LeRoy Churchill (born October 2, 1947) is a disgraced American academic, arguably the most hated in the country.

If you roll back that sort of thing when you see it, you'll win lots of warm fuzzies from me :-). And you'll probably get a sense of why I'm a bit defensive about what are pretty shallow criticisms that keep appearing (maybe I jumped on your changes more than I should have, given your newness to WP and a history of seeing this stuff). Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 20:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

WP:3RR[edit]

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Voting[edit]

If you can, please make a vote on the admin. election of LOTLE if you can. Every vote counts, I think your complaint is legit. CJK 21:16, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, I saw you posted at the top. Thanks for voting. CJK 21:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

article from churchill[edit]

http://www.geocities.com/travbailey/index.html I added this article to the Ward Churchill page--enjoy the article! I loved it. Tell me what you think. Travb 04:02, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Comments on Churchill talk page[edit]

I very much appreciate your well-stated comments on the Churchill talk page. If you look through the recent comments on that page and on Churchill essay controversy talk page, you can see that I've been trying to deal with ad hominem attacks from Lulu that represent bad faith despite my bending over backward to assume good faith on his part. It's just nice not to be the only voice shouting in the wind. – Doug Bell talkcontrib 00:46, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

World can't wait[edit]

This anon editor seems to keep inserting this petition thing on a number of pages, including Churchill's. See the Churchill talk page about this. You did good to remove it, in my opinion. Churchill might well have signed the petition (though if you say it's not verified, he might not have), but even if he did it seems trivial. Activists and academics sign lots of such things... I've signed a moderate number, and no one cares about my signature that much. So even if it had a proper cite, it's still unintersting. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 00:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


Lumbee[edit]

I only gave one piece of evidence showing the Tuscarora blood, but there are many more than "just one" source like you have posted. Please take a look at the discussion page, and you can see the other sources of this info. To me, the wording was fine the way it was, prior to your recent changes.--Roskerah 18:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Isiah Thomas[edit]

Your edit was reverted since it is controversial information in a WP:BLP that was unsourced. It looks like a copy/paste, but you need to copy the text for the sources and not just the footnote numbers. You can considered re-adding the information if the actual sources are provided (i.e. edit the source article to get the actual citations).—Bagumba (talk) 21:03, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Bill Cosby BLP[edit]

Please take a few minutes and read WP:BLP, the guideline that keeps our biographies of living persons to the highest sources and most established facts. Don't put scandal and gossip into the Bill Cosby biography. Keep it to court actions only. Binksternet (talk) 03:00, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

September 2012[edit]

Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Bill Cosby. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Binksternet (talk) 01:07, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory or otherwise controversial content into an article or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Bill Cosby, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Binksternet (talk) 01:36, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Advice[edit]

Hi, I'm a freshman at Clemson University and I am working on the article for Kevin Hart as an assignment for my english class. I was wondering if you could give me any tips or advice on how to approach editing a comedian's article or specific things that I should include in my writing. Any feedback would be appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msneed19 (talkcontribs) 14:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

re: precursors of COINTELPRO[edit]

See this revision, reversion, and subsequent discussion with Apostle12. History of the Federal Bureau of Investigation is also something that could happen. But there is a lot of other stuff to work on for COINTELPRO, too, and it's very difficult to organize, so I'm glad you've taken an interest in the page! groupuscule (talk) 01:36, 5 November 2012 (UTC) groupuscule

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Ward Churchill[edit]

Regarding this edit, the cited source says "The Colorado Court of Appeals has upheld a lower-court judge’s ruling that the University of Colorado officials sued by Ward Churchill were immune from his lawsuit accusing them of violating his First Amendment rights when they dismissed him as a tenured ethnic-studies professor on the Boulder campus." Would you mind specifying what the "false representation" is with that source cite in your revert summary? Thanks, AzureCitizen (talk) 19:32, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

The individual defendants were dropped before even the first case. Churchill agreed to give CU the same defenses those defendants could have claimed, which is why the qualified immunity claim held up for CU.Pokey5945 (talk) 19:51, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Given what the current source says, can you refer me to a different source for what you've explained? Thanks, AzureCitizen (talk) 19:54, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
The disputed language is plagiarized from the current source--the CHE. If you click through to the Denver Post story linked in the CHE, you'll see that the courts granted quasi-judicial immunity to the university. What may have confused the WP authors and the CHE author is that the Post story then goes on to explain how the regents are entitled to such immunity. But the story does not explain why the regents' individual immunity extends to the university. This is a major gap, since the regents are not being sued. It was explained in earlier news reports, but if you want the best explanation for the legal details, it's best to read the actual court opinion--not short news items. As I explained above, Churchill signed a pre-trial deal that gave CU the same defenses the individual defendants could have claimed. That's why--as mentioned in the DP story--the decision to grant immunity waited until after the trial was over.Pokey5945 (talk) 20:51, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Here is a decent explanation from the Denver University law school blog: http://www.theracetothebottom.org/ward-churchill/churchills-motion-to-amend-judgment-to-dismiss.htmlPokey5945 (talk) 20:57, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for expanding on the clarification. I have a law background (J.D.) so I'm not surprised the media reports were oversimplified for expediency. It might be a good idea to swap out the sourcing at the article, ditching the CHE cite in favor of a direct cite to the Denver Post article, to avoid similar confusion in the future. Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 23:09, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Vivint[edit]

Pokey, you are apparently deliberately violating Wikipedia policy with your frequent deletions of well-sourced, relevant material regarding the past legal actions. You do not give any reasons for doing so. I believe you are a disgruntled former customer with an axe to grind, or possibly a disgruntled former employee. Which is it? Your section is WAY too long. The legal actions are only a small portion of the total Vivint picture, yet you seem determined to expand it into a very huge section. This is way too much emphasis on one aspect of the company and that alone is a bsis for reverting your material.

For your information, I am not a Vivint employee or receiving money from Vivint. I write this material of my own free will. You, apparently, have little insight into Vivint. Most of the customers are extremely satisfied, and as the quote from Todd indicates, the legal problems are simply some of the 'growing pains' of having a company with a huge work-force of part-time employees knocking on millions of doors. The 1500 complaints with the BBB in 3 years is about 500/year, compared to about 3,000,000 doors knocked in the same period of time, or about .015% When you look at the complaints, too, you see things like 'i just signed the contract to get them to leave, I really didn't want the contract' or bullshit like that. that's not to say some are legitimate, but you are placing this way out of perspective. i'm required to write this here before I get you blocked. It looks like you've been threatened with blocking before on the Cosby page.

Don't revert/delete my material again.

Oldnoah (talk) 19:41, 11 July 2013 (UTC)Oldnoah

Pokey, I would like to add to Oldnoah's warning. You are consistently deleting relevant, cited information that compromises the integrity of the page about Vivint. The information that you provide, while relevant in small portions, should not constitute the bulk of the page about the company. Stating that they are under federal investigation in the main "About Vivint" section is detrimental and shows a blatant disregard to include accurate and informative information. Stop adding to the legal section and stop removing relevant, cited sources about the company, especially about awards and accomplishments that the company has achieved. If you ignore this warning, I will report you for vandalism.

Ceb687 (talk) 21:51, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I will indeed ignore your warning. You should definitely report me for vandalism. Please go do it now.Pokey5945 (talk) 03:26, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

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There is no attack on any specific editor--only an observation about the politicization of the article. You're violating policy by deleting my talk page comments, and I think you know it.Pokey5945 (talk) 21:16, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

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Another wack job pollutes my user page with empty threats. Yawn.Pokey5945 (talk) 21:13, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2013[edit]

Information icon Please do not add defamatory content to Wikipedia, as you did to Oxford Round Table, especially if it involves living persons. This is specifically regarding the talk page comment about plastic surgery. Thank you. Bahooka (talk) 22:15, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Noting the fact that someone had plastic surgery is hardly defamatory. That's a real stretch, given that plastic surgery is nothing to be ashamed of.Pokey5945 (talk) 22:33, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

New Haven Panther Trial Revisions[edit]

Hello. Given the historical significance of the trial at the time I'd wanted to develop this section beyond its previous narrow focus but you keep undoing my revisions. Just wondering what your reason is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Politigrafica (talkcontribs) 05:53, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Please discuss major revisions on the article's talk page. Also, please review WP's NPOV policy.Pokey5945 (talk) 21:45, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Ericka Huggins[edit]

Hello,

Please do not add defamatory information against consensus to a biography of a living person as you did at Ericka Huggins. It is inappropriate to add discussion of trial testimony alleging criminal acts when this person was not convicted of any crime. Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:08, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

There cannot be a consensus until *after* the specific issue has been discussed on the article's talk page.Pokey5945 (talk) 20:19, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Several editors have expressed BLP concerns on the talk page about the material you have been adding and none have agreed with you. That's a working consensus against you. Please do not add the material again until talk page consensus clearly favors it. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:56, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
I really don't know what you're referring to. It would help if you could be more specific. From my perspective, I've been extremely cooperative.Pokey5945 (talk) 00:56, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Do you really claim that "participation" in "torture" that preceded a murder "does not imply guilt at all"? I find that reasoning very hard to accept. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Huggins participated in the taped interrogation, which was the basis for her indictment and trial. She also witnessed the torture. It's not controversial; she did not deny it. We can rewrite the sentence to make that distinction between participation in torture and participation in interrogation.Pokey5945 (talk) 03:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

February 2014[edit]

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I already requested talk page discussion, but thanks anyway.Pokey5945 (talk)

Elaine Brown[edit]

Please do not add this content, which in my opinion, clearly violates WP:BLPCRIME, back into this article. She was neither charged nor convicted of involvement in this killing. Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:22, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Elaine Brown at BLPN[edit]

Hello,

There is a discussion at the Biographies of living persons noticeboard about this article, which you edited today. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:26, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

H. Rap Brown[edit]

inclusion of the race of the deputies is p.o.v. unless you have relaible secondary sources establishing notability of that fact. Protocrat (talk) 23:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to WP. The journalistic sources cited establish the notability for you, and it was an issue at trial. Please stop deleting this passage.Pokey5945 (talk) 23:55, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

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Betty Van Patter[edit]

Thanks for your reasoned arguments in the Betty Van Patter stuff. I don't know why some people want to air-brush history. I was acquainted with some of the family members 20 years ago. It was a very painful event for them and no doubt it still is. Chisme (talk) 22:59, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

The frustrating thing is that I agree with WP:BLP, but we're dealing with folks who would rather play Wiki prosecutor instead of trying to research and write a decent article.Pokey5945 (talk) 23:47, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

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