User talk:Psantora/Archive 7

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Archive 1 Archive 5 Archive 6 Archive 7 Archive 8 Archive 9 Archive 10

17:33, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

December 19, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Fordham University's Lincoln Center campus in Manhattan, near Columbus Circle. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Fordham University's Lincoln Center campus (South Lounge) at 113 W 60th Street, Manhattan
(note this month we will be meeting in Manhattan, near Columbus Circle, not at Babycastles)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 03:23, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

(You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by adding or removing your name from this list.)

20:34, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Sunday January 13: Wikipedia Day 2019 in NYC

You are invited to join us at Ace Hotel for Wikipedia Day 2019, a Wikipedia celebration and mini-conference as part of the project's global 18th birthday festivities. In addition to the party, the event features keynote presentations, panels, lightning talks, and, of course, open space sessions.

And there will be cake.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

9:30AM - 6:00PM at Ace Hotel, 20 West 29th Street in Manhattan

We especially encourage folks to add your 3-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 20:35, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

(You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by adding or removing your name from this list.)

18:29, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

17:54, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

20:37, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

18:15, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

17:12, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

18:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Beanpot

Are you going to go full incel on me if I add the women's results? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TitleIXHockey (talkcontribs) 01:10, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

¿¿Que?? I think it would be great if the women's Beanpot results were included on that page - it's just as notable in my opinion (which, to be frank, doesn't matter). Where is the information sourced from? How far back does it go? I somewhat remember the women's version of the tournament starting in the 90s, but I'm really stretching my memory on that. By all means, please add the info! - PaulT+/C 04:52, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.

You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.

A tag has been placed on Digital Freedom campaign requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company, corporation or organization that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. DannyS712 (talk) 08:21, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

23:13, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Talk to us about talking

Trizek (WMF) 15:08, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

21:17, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

BKSK

Please don't add red links for a possible future article. First create the article and then add links. They're easy enough to find using the search box. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:52, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Eh... Tomato, tomahto. Since when do you follow *rules*? ;) Seriously though, WP:RED (policy) states "[g]ood red links help Wikipedia", so it isn't as if there is a blanket rule *not* to create redlinks. Adding the links for BKSK Architects helps to show interest/viability for the article via the what links here function. There are 4/5 articles (and it looks like a few images) that explicitly reference the firm and after some (very quick) research/searches it looks like the firm has comparable notability to CetraRuddy. (I pulled it from the One Madison article we are discussing.)
I agree it is better to start the article first, but what is the harm in adding the links in the meantime if it is a "notable topic in-waiting"? (Other than WP:WTAF, which isn't relevant here.) And to quote WP:RED policy again: "Do not remove red links unless you are certain that Wikipedia should not have an article on that subject." I see you reverted onesome of the additions, but I understand what you are getting at and I'm not going to dispute it until the page is created. - PaulT+/C 07:06, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Feb 27 WikiWednesday Salon + Mar 2 MoMA Art+Feminism and beyond

February 27, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan
(note this month we will be meeting in Midtown Manhattan, not at Babycastles)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 09:00, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Saturday March 2: MoMA Art+Feminism Edit-a-thon

Art+Feminism’s sixth-annual MoMA Wikipedia Edit-a-thon will take place at the Dorothy and Lewis B. Cullman Education and Research Building, The Museum of Modern Art, New York, 4 West 54 Street, on Saturday, March 2, 2019 from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. People of all gender identities and expressions are encouraged to attend.

And on Sunday this weekend:

Stay tuned for other Art+Feminism and related edit-a-thons throughout the month!

(You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by adding or removing your name from this list.)

Michael Cohen

I edited Michael Cohen (lawyer) making a lot of small changes. When I saved it, the system seems to have lost some of your changes. Sorry. It would be easier for you to re-do your changes than for me to do so. —Anomalocaris (talk) 09:06, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I reverted your edit. I gave an explanation in the edit summary. I just tried to add back some/most of the reader-facing changes that were lost. I think I got most everything, but please in the future try to fix any edit-conflicts before making a change to the article. Also, the magnitude of that edit was not "minor". See help:minor edit for more information about when you should use that checkbox. Sorry again for the confusion and thanks for understanding. - PaulT+/C 09:53, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

MOST HELPFUL

HELPFULNESS AWARD
Thanks for the signature help! Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 06:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

16:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Very generalized thoughts on WP's organizational self-management

Some stuff that came to mind in the BMK thread, but which aren't really pertinent to that case's details in particular: The trade-off between proceduralism and efficiency is an organization/project management issue more generally: the new hire that screws the pooch gets canned easily, but someone who's been part of the team for a decade does not, even if the issues they're thought to be causing are greater than those of the newbie. Losing the experience, the institutional memory, can cost more than that problem's resolution is worth in many cases.

But there's a cost–benefit analysis line beyond which this is no longer true. Part of the organizational life-cycle is the departure or adjustment of people from the wild-and-wooly "visionary founding" era in response to the changed operational needs of a matured organization. There can even be more than one such line the crossing of which can trigger the organization to make a decision to either change or eject someone or something.

I've been through a lot of that (on both sides of it) at various organizations. I observe (maybe more easily than average) that WP has had and still has various growing pains in this regard. Just a few examples: Jimbo largely stepping away from active "über-admin" activity, under community pressure to do so; a culling of admins from the earliest days who were not really subject to any scrutiny before getting the bit and who have not used it appropriately; RFA becoming more difficult, while at the same time various "bits" that need lower trust levels (PageMover, FileMover, TemplateEditor, etc.) have been spun out from adminship to compensate (and despite all kinds of "the sky will fall" nonsense about it from old-time admins); changes to the WMF officers and board; a still-unresolved need to shift the organization's model of thinking toward behaving like a nonprofit with a mission and a constituency instead of operating just like a software company with a product and a userbase; ArbCom slowly redefining its role and approach over the last few years; WP shifting strongly toward what amounts to a variant on a voting system (RfCs are used constantly today, and subject to a lot of formal closure, when they were originally introduced simply to attract occasional additional attention to discussions, usually without written closures); etc., etc.
 — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  10:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: Very interesting, well-considered points. Managing even a simple project can easily grow in complexity if not kept in check. Managing a project this size is a massive undertaking and even with all the problems that are here, and many getting worse, it has been, and likely will continue to be, a massive success. Almost 2 decades later I'm still amazed at what has been accomplished by almost entirely volunteer, self-policed editors. It really is marvelous.
I especially resonate with that bit towards the end about WP benefiting by moving away from the mindset of a nonprofit to more of a software company. Contributing at a high level has gotten increasingly more complex over time, but all the various support organs and software changes – particularly the visual editor – have made it significantly easier to attract new editors. I'm not familliar with the statistics, but I'd be interested to see if the facts support it (i.e. more editors overall, but a much smaller proportion editing at a high rate as compared with, say, 10 years ago).
It is a very hard problem to make the necessary changes – especially granting more granular "admin-lite" responsibilities to a much wider group of people that are actually interested and motivated to contribute in those specific, more discrete areas – to support the significantly changed structure. Let alone deciding what changes to make and, almost as importantly, in what order they should be made. It seems like you have a pretty good grasp on the what at the very least.
Anyway, thanks for the interesting read. I'm not quite sure if I'm making too much sense right now as I haven't quite given it as much thought as it seems you have and it is really time for me to head to sleep. I appreciate the comment though! - PaulT+/C 08:34, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Reply was getting long, so I put it in an essay (along with some of the earlier material), at User:SMcCandlish/Wikipedia's self-management and future.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  12:36, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

19:29, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

The Original Barnstar
Thank you so much for improving the wealth template. And sorry I made such a fuss. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:28, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Snowflake-in-Chief listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Snowflake-in-Chief. Since you had some involvement with the Snowflake-in-Chief redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Goveganplease (talk) 13:34, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Apple Inc.

Hello Psantora,

You've been identified either as a previous member of the project, an active editor on Apple related pages, a bearer of Apple related userboxes, or just a hoopy frood.

WikiProject Apple Inc. has unexpectedly quit, because an error type "unknown" occured. Editors must restart it! If you are interested, read the project page and sign up as a member. There's something for everyone to do, such as welcoming, sourcing, writing, copy editing, gnoming, proofreading, or feedback — but no pressure. Do what you do, but let's coordinate and stay in touch.

See the full welcome message on the talk page, or join the new IRC channel on irc.freenode.net named #wikipedia-en-appleinc connect. Please join, speak, and idle, and someone will read and reply.

Please spread the word, and join or unsubscribe at the subscription page.

RhinosF1(chat)(status)(contribs) and Smuckola on behalf of WikiProject Apple Inc. - Delivered 15:00, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

19:44, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

I see other articles have multiple links to social media accounts and some don't at times. I don't know if there is a clear-cut policy or guideline for which are to be included and which aren't, especially in relation to what is happening within their lives as information becomes more relevant and events come and go. Hope our discussion isn't too heated over something minuscule and I don't come off as too harsh. :)

Adog (TalkCont) 18:30, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Not at all! Thanks for the kitten! - PaulT+/C 18:39, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
March 20, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan
(note this month we will be meeting in Midtown Manhattan, not at Babycastles)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! This month, optional post-meetup drinks afterward at 9pm!--Wikimedia New York City Team 18:48, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Saturday March 23: Asian Art Archive/New York Public Library Art+Feminism Editathon

Organized by Asia Art Archive in America]and Miriam and Ira D. Wallach Division of Art, Prints and Photographs of the New York Public Library and in collaboration with Asia Art Archive in Hong Kong, the Art+Feminism: Wikipedia Edit-a-thon on Women in Art in Asia helps participants edit Wikipedia to create and improve articles about women artists and practitioners in and from Asia, including architects, designers, filmmakers, curators, and art historians. Books and research materials—as well as refreshments—will be provided.

Also check out other Art+Feminism and related edit-a-thons throughout the month!

(You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by adding or removing your name from this list.)

Deletion of question from another editor

Greetings,

Regarding this edit, though I agree it's much more useful to post such questions on the talk page than inline, it's probably a good idea to move such questions to the talk page rather than expecting the original editor to undelete them and re-post. If I were the one asking the question I expect it would be rather discouraging to have it deleted summarily, it seems a bit bureaucratic and inflexible not to accept questions in the way they are offered, and it was a legitimate question that deserved attention from other editors. -- Beland (talk) 04:40, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello. If you look at the full edit history, the comment was summarily removed by a bot, which 100% was inappropriate (in fact, I reported it as a false positive as soon as it happened). Subsequently, a 3rd person reverted the bot about 12 hours later without addressing the question, which also didn't seem to make sense. On the next day or so, I re-reverted and pointed out that the original editor didn't do anything wrong, but the proper place for the discussion is the talk page. My intent was not in any way to discourage and in fact I thought it was terrible that the well-meaning editor was immediately reverted by a bot. That said, it didn't make sense to return the comment to the article after it had been removed. All I was trying to do was invite discussion in the proper venue. I appreciate the comment though and in the future I'll consider proactively starting the discussion. - PaulT+/C 04:54, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

18:05, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of TCOLondon for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article TCOLondon is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TCOLondon until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. noq (talk) 10:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

16:29, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

April 17, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan
(note this month we will be meeting in Midtown Manhattan, not at Babycastles)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 21:07, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Thursday April 4 and Friday April 5: Translat-a-thon NYC 2019 @ LaGuardia Community College

Translat-a-thon NYC 2019 @ LaGuardia Community College is hosting the second annual Wikipedia Translatathon! At this event on Thursday evening and during the day Friday this week, anyone from the public is invited to LaGuardia to join students, professors, and CUNY faculty in translating Wikipedia articles among any languages which attendees understand. Themes for this event include public health and the history of New York City.

New York City has a large immigrant population and great diversity of speakers of various languages. Among all schools in New York City, LaGuardia has the highest percentage of immigrant students, the highest percentage of students who speak a language other than English as their first language, and the greatest representation of language diversity. It is a strength of LaGuardia that it can present "Wikipedia translatathons", which are Wikipedia translation events.

(You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by adding or removing your name from this list.)

Go search Google News for those terms

You'll notice fairly quickly that most news sources using "ultra rich" without the hyphen are in South and Southeast Asia. Most American and British news sources refer to the "ultrarich" or "ultra-rich." --Coolcaesar (talk) 17:46, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

18:24, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Call-out culture

Stop icon

Your recent editing history at Call-out culture shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

You are engaging in WP:Original research, showing WP:OWNership-like behavior on this article, and using misleading edit summaries. -- Netoholic @ 21:39, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

23:00, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

I noticed your recent edit's message. There is currently a talk page on the article page right here to discuss about it. Aviartm (talk) 18:28, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Aviartm:Thanks. That comment is from me. ;) - PaulT+/C 18:30, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
I noticed {[u|User:Psantora}}! :) I also did not know that you were Paul in the discussion page. Lol. Aviartm (talk) 18:33, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
No worries ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - PaulT+/C 18:38, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Pending changes reviewer granted

Hello. Your account has been granted the "pending changes reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on pages protected by pending changes. The list of articles awaiting review is located at Special:PendingChanges, while the list of articles that have pending changes protection turned on is located at Special:StablePages.

Being granted reviewer rights neither grants you status nor changes how you can edit articles. If you do not want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time.

See also:

Beeblebrox (talk) 00:18, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 22

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. An automated process has detected that you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are usually incorrect, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of unrelated topics with similar titles. (Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.)

Douglaston Park (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)
added a link pointing to Clubhouse
List of Queens neighborhoods (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)
added a link pointing to Marble Hill

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 12:30, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

19:08, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

JointVenture listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect JointVenture. Since you had some involvement with the JointVenture redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Hildeoc (talk) 18:08, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Apple (Italia) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Apple (Italia). Since you had some involvement with the Apple (Italia) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. -- Tavix (talk) 19:35, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Mueller Report red text

Hello,

I think you did not mean to but I reverted your edit when you were messing with the text colors and you did something that made the majority of the article and talk page all red. Diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mueller_Report&type=revision&diff=894326893&oldid=894325258

Original edit of yours: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mueller_Report&type=revision&diff=894147965&oldid=894146717

Cheers!

Aviartm (talk) 04:37, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Aviartm. It was an issue at {{lime}}, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Lime&action=history . It was template valdalism and there was never anything wrong with the code as written. Templates can be tricky stuff. Everything seems to be in order now, though perhaps we should work to get {{lime}} and other, related templates protected? - PaulT+/C 13:34, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Psantora Alrighty. That's good. You're welcome. We should get those templates protected. Aviartm (talk) 20:20, 27 April 2019 (UTC)