User talk:Red Deadeye/Archive 2

Archives

AfD nomination of The Scene Aesthetic

An editor has nominated The Scene Aesthetic, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Scene Aesthetic and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 10:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject College football April 2008 Newsletter

The April 2008 issue of the College football WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 01:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilinking

Just to let you know, you ONLY wikilink a date when it's really important, such as a birth of child, etc. or death, or such. You don't need to be wikilinking every single date in the artlce, such as I undid on the Pat White (American football) article. You linked every date, in 2008 that Pat White said somethin'. Also you DON'T need to wikilink years, unless something important happened and you don't have the exact date of it. The reason I'm tellin' you this is 'cuz I'd been gotten onto for that. Also you don't added the th or rd on dates. It's not done that way, sorry. Cra sh U nderride 05:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD Pat Lazear

Pat Lazear

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Pat Lazear, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Pat Lazear. Cra sh U nderride 05:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Beauty in the Breakdown

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Beauty in the Breakdown, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Beauty in the Breakdown. Mdsummermsw (talk) 15:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Building Homes from What We've Known

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Building Homes from What We've Known, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Building Homes from What We've Known. Mdsummermsw (talk) 15:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just a friendly warning

You think about what articles you create for WVU players. Ellis Lankster?? Why? He's not a started, when he becomes one THEN create it. I'm tempted to ((prod}} it. Also, keep in mind my heads up on the wikilinking. Thanks, Cra sh U nderride 20:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilinking 2.

When you wikilink a college in an article for an athlete, use that schools sports team article. Such as Reed Williams when linking to the East Carolina football team, you need to link hereEast Carolina Pirates football, rather than just to East Carolina University. The reason I'm telling you this is that it follows the Wikipedia guidelines (I don't have the exact article name for it but I read it). Just thought you should know. Cra sh U nderride 21:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Major Harris

Do you have proof he was a Consensues all american? cuz if not I'll have to undo that until we have proof.

Saunders and Foreman

You know that David Saunders has an article, as now does Shawn Foreman. Take a look at that one. Cra sh U nderride 01:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Duh, I know Saunders had one lol. I created it! lol. I aslo created Jermaine Jones (American football), Dialleo Burks, REALLy worked on Will Pettis. Cra sh U nderride 01:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:BillStewart.jpg

Hi is this a photo of someone elses photo.Genisock2 (talk) 15:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That would make it a derivative of the Fiesta Bowl program image and thus you can't release it under a free license.Genisock2 (talk) 20:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly unfree Image:BillStewart.jpg

An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:BillStewart.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Genisock2 (talk) 12:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC) Genisock2 (talk) 12:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template for deletion

TfD nomination of Template:2008 Fiesta Bowl Champions

Template:2008 Fiesta Bowl Champions has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.

By the way, I was hoping the Steelers would take Schmitt :( --Grsz ^talk 21:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mountaineer mascot

Do you know where I can find a complete list of the people who were the mascot? I saw one online once and now I can't find it. I need to find one because a cousin of mine was the mascot. Last name is Henline. That's all I know lol. I'd love it if you could help. Thanks, Cra sh U nderride 05:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proper wikilinking college sports teams

I've noticed that when you wiki link teams for games where someone recorded stats, you just put the schools article link. You're supposed to link to the school's football team page. Or basketball if for a basketball player. I've had to go and fix many of these. See this revision for what the proper way. If the school doesn't have a football page, link then to the athletic page. If not athletic page, then link to the schools athletics section on the schools page. That's how it's supposed to be done, in the order. Also, if you can see the same school mentioned more than once on the screen at the same time, you DON'T need to wikilink it more than once. Just thought you should know. Cra sh U nderride 18:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Schmitt's Seattle number

Just because 35 might be free, doesn't mean he'll wear it. So, don't add the number until he's been place on the official website's roster page. Cra sh U nderride 20:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well as of when I saw it he didn't. Cra sh U nderride 03:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject College football May 2008 Newsletter

The May 2008 issue of the College football WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 23:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How to PROPERLY wikilinks college football teams

Here's an example of a properly worded intro:

Keilen Dykes (born September 6, 1984 in Youngstown, Ohio) is an American football defensive tackle for the Arizona Cardinals of the National Football League. He played collegiately at West Virginia.

Here's an example of how to link a college football season:

RIGHT

2005

WRONG

2005

Here is a list of football teams that appear in WVU players articles quite often. This are PROPER links, as are supposed to be place in artilces. These of which you HAVE NOT been using.

Pitt
East Carolina
Central Florida
James Madison
Virginia Tech
UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Temple
Boston College
Wofford
Maryland
Cincinnati
South Florida
Marshall
Louisville
Oklahoma

In artilces you have edited and NOT properly linked teams, you need to go back and fix them, as I have been doing that for several weeks and I have grown tried of fixing your links. Cra sh U nderride 22:14, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, shut up :). It takes forver sometimes lol. Cra sh U nderride 16:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject College football June 2008 Newsletter

The June 2008 issue of the College football WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 23:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey

It's been awhile. lol. Go to my user page and check out my new look. :D I spend a few hours yesterday workin' on it. Oh yeah, on my new menu, go and sign my guestbook. And also take a look at the Templates page. I think might like it, or find it interestin'. :D Cra sh U nderride 19:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject College football July 2008 Newsletter

The July 2008 issue of the College football WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 00:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of John Holmes (football player)

I have nominated John Holmes (football player), an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Holmes (football player). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? DarkAudit (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Small niggle

For my sanity's sake, and so I don't have to become a cyber-stalker: "home run" is two words. That is all :)

I call the honorable gentleman's attention to the above sentence again since I fixed six of these this morning. Helluva outing by Volquez yesterday - won't have to listen to a certain coworker crow about a sweep now! Majorclanger (talk) 11:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there is one other thing, but it doesn't drive me nuts like the home run thing - in general, it's preferred to spell out single digit numbers in articles, using the numerals only for 10 and greater. It's in the manual of style someplace, but it's 3:45 a.m. as I type this in the middle of an electrical storm, and I can't be bothered to look it up.

Oooh, errr... one last thing: nice work on the baseball player updates. You don't go overboard with the current stats and actually cite stuff. And you have good taste in teams. Walt Jocketty will get the thing turned around, no later than 2010, I would guess. Majorclanger (talk) 08:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No worries - glad you took it in the spirit I intended. I live in Cardinals country and the consensus around here is that he's a miracle worker. Give him any budget at all and he'll get good players. Not so sure about the club's current manager however... Majorclanger (talk) 23:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Slaton

It seems you've done the bulk of the work on the article. While it's well-written, this article is insanely too long for a college player that has yet to appear in an NFL game. His college section should be a mere fraction of what it is now. It all just has way too much detail. The pre-draft section was also full of unimportant rankings, quotes, comparisons, etc. It's size it simply way too massive for a guy that's only played college ball so far.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 20:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, be careful about how much preseason info you add on these guys. In the long run, it's not likely to be relevant unless they have very short careers. Imagine if Brett Favre's article contained info on all his preseason games. On line on a year's preseason stats might be worthy, but in the long run nothing more. The info is fine for now, but I'd recommend condensing it once the preseason is over, i.e. "Slaton rushed for 340 yards in the preseason, including 87 yards against the Oakland Raiders." (Numbers and teams made up, but you get the point.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 23:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject College football August 2008 Newsletter

The August 2008 issue of the College football WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 19:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jeremy Sheffey

Hey, take a look at Jeremy Sheffey's article. I think you might be interested to know that he is STILL an offensive lineman. :D If you answer this, could you please place {{Talkback}} on my talk page so that I'll know I have a respone? Cra sh Underride 18:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject College football September 2008 Newsletter

The September 2008 issue of the College football WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 21:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Lorello

Have a look at all the refs and stuff that I added to the Mike Lorello artilce. How's it look? Cra sh Underride 21:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, FYI, you can use Template:Footballstats to add all his stat links so they don't have to be separate links.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 22:40, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Pacman_Jones#Requested_move_to_Adam_Jones_.28football.29_revisited

I would like to solicit feedback concerning moving this to Adam Jones (football). It makes sense to me, but is there consensus? Please opine in the section of the article talk page. Cheers, Dlohcierekim's sock (talk) 21:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quinton Andrews

Have a look see. I expanded it a good bit. Enjoy. Cra sh Underride 19:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject College football October 2008 Newsletter

The October 2008 issue of the College football WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 22:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Date formatting

Hey, have a look here. It tells you how to properly format dates. You don't add then 'nd, 'rd, or 'st on dates. Just a friendly fyi. Hope you're havin' fun. Cra sh Underride 18:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tisk tisk tisk

lol. If something, a school is wikilinked in an aritlce it only needs to be linked again once it's not on the screen. Like if Rutgers is linked and then appears on the screen it does not need to be linked again. Basically, nothing should appear on the screen more than once at a time and all be wikilinked. Also, you're getting better about the football teams page linking. However don't use Rutgers Scarlet Knights, be as specific as possible, use Rutgers Scarlet Knights football (just an example). Cra sh Underride 17:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject College football December 2008 Newsletter

The December 2008 issue of the College football WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
Automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 03:03, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Ebanks

Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and the page that you created has been or soon will be deleted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 03:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

West Virginian

Hi, I notice you are from West Virginia. Perhaps you would be interested in this article which requires some dire need of wiki love and editing. West Virginia state election, 2012. Best regards. --CyclePat (talk) 18:45, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An article you created is about to be deleted: Tools which can help you

The article you created, Ellis_Lankster is about to be deleted from Wikipedia.

There is an ongoing debate about whether your article should be deleted here:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ellis_Lankster.

The faster your respond, the better chance the article you created can be saved. This is because deletion debates only stay open for a few days, and the first comments are usually the most important.

There are several tools and other editors who can help you keep the page from being deleted forever:

You can list the page up for deletion on Article Rescue Squadron. If you need help listing your page, add a comment on the Article Rescue Squadron talk page.
You can request a mentor to help explain to you all of the complex rules that editors use to get a page deleted, here: Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User. But don't wait for a mentor to respond on the deletion page.
When try to delete a page, veteran editors love to use a lot of rule acronyms. Don't let these acronyms intimidate you.
Here is a list of your own acronyms you can use yourself: WP:Deletion debate acronyms which may support the page you created being kept.
Acronyms in deletion debates are sometimes incorrectly used, or ignore rules or exceptions.
You can merge the article into a larger article.

If your page is deleted, you still have many options available. Good luck! travb (talk) 17:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also:

travb (talk) 17:12, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

General notability requirements for athletes

Please read WP:ATHLETE for what makes an athlete notable. Several of your articles are about non-notable WVU athletes; this just creates lots of work for people like me to go through and delete them later. If you want to control and add content all about WVU, perhaps you could start a wiki on www.wikia.com. Please consider this; it will make things easier for everyone. Timneu22 (talk) 23:08, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Ryan Stanchek

An article that you have been involved in editing, Ryan Stanchek, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Stanchek. Thank you. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article for Deletion - Ruoff

I think you should have been notified about this? Good luck.WVhybrid (talk) 05:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, I think you could have avoided all of these AfD's if you had provided references from credible publications (not the WVU webpage or a blog) that clearly shows the notability of your subjects. Good luck. WVhybrid (talk) 20:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject College football January 2009 Newsletter

The January 2009 issue of the College football WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 03:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Jock Sanders

A tag has been placed on Jock Sanders, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the article or have a copy emailed to you. Scapler (talk) 21:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, the page was deleted fourteen days after discussion began. According to WP:AfD: "at the end of the discussion period (about five days), it should be closed within a few more days at most" and "articles listed here are debated for up to five days, after which the deletion process proceeds based on Wikipedia community consensus". So, in fact, your article was not deleted prematurely at all, but was allowed to be discussed LONGER than usual. Scapler (talk) 22:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 January 15, I've userfied the article to User:Paulmcdonald/Jock Sanders.--Tikiwont (talk) 15:43, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of Garrett Ford, Jr.

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Garrett Ford, Jr., by another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Garrett Ford, Jr. seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting Garrett Ford, Jr., please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Feel free to contact the bot operator if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot, bearing in mind that this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion; it does not perform any nominations or deletions itself. To see the user who deleted the page, click here CSDWarnBot (talk) 09:40, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An article you created maybe deleted soon: Tools which can help you

The article you created: Garrett Ford, Jr. may be deleted from Wikipedia.

There is an ongoing debate about whether your article should be deleted here:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Garrett Ford, Jr. .

The faster you respond on this page, the better chance the article you created can be saved.

Finding sources which mention the topic of your article is the very best way to avoid an article being deleted {{Findsources3}}:

Find sources for Garrett Ford, Jr. : google news recent, google news old, google books, google scholar, NYT recent, NYT old, a9, msbooks, msacademic ...You can then cite these results in the Article for deletion discussion.

Also, there are several tools and helpful editors on Wikipedia who can help you:

List the page up for deletion on Article Rescue Squadron. You can get help listing your page on the Article Rescue Squadron talk page.
You can request a mentor to help explain all of the complex rules that editors use to get a page deleted: Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User. But don't wait for a mentor to respond to you before responding on the article for deletion page.
When trying to delete a page, veteran editors love to use a lot of rule acronyms. Don't let these acronyms intimidate you.
Here is a list acronyms you can use yourself: WP:Deletion debate acronyms which may support the page you created being kept.
You can vote to merge the article into a larger or better established article on the same topic.

If your page is deleted, you still have many options available. Good luck! travb (talk) 03:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject College football February 2009 Newsletter

The February 2009 issue of the College football WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 02:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Alex Ruoff

I have nominated Alex Ruoff, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex Ruoff (2nd nomination). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Student7 (talk) 14:44, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Red. Why don't you beef up this article with more references and latest stats?WVhybrid (talk) 23:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]