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Temples

I am not asking for a list necessarly. But if I had one example I could guess what you are talking about and thus the issuses at hand. --Carlaude (talk) 00:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, I will get you a list. Spalds (talk) 00:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

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Hi, sorry I missed that it's an SPA...I was on a 'welcoming spree' :-) Oh well, cheers,  Chzz  ►  03:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

LDS temples

The templates were probably added by me. The reasoning is as follows.

One. Believe it or not, the Christianity project considers the latter day saint movement to be a form of Christianity. As such, it would be useful to the project to have an idea as to what content related to the LDS churches is out there. It would be particularly useful for the article alerts function, which lets us keep track of articles proposed for peer review, deletion, and the like. We can and will try to create similar article alert updates for the various other projects as well. Unfortunately, those functions work primarily on the basis of banner placement, so we need the banner there.

Two. The Christianity banner provides separate importance assessments for each related project, so those projects can keep track of the content related to them at the same time the main project does. Also, it makes it easier for the quality levels to be kept updated, because they're done in the same banner.

Third. Before I started concentrating on replacing banners, I was trying to assess all the articles relevant to Christianity by category, as can be seen at User:John Carter/Christianity assessments. I still hope to return to that after consolidating the banners, and it's generally easier to only have to remember to update one banner as opposed to several.

Personally, I am hoping to get all the banners for the various specifically Christian projects removed and replaced with the main Christianity project banner, because that will allow for easier article alerts for the child projects as well. But that's going to take a lot of time. I've still got several banners to go for several projects yet.

I guess my answer to your question on the Christianity WikiProject's talk page is that I hope in time all those articles will have the Christianity banner, but am less than sure how quickly I will be able to replacing them all. If of course you would prefer the banners be kept separate, or deem the Christianity project banner unnecessary, please let me know, and I'll cease any further activity. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 15:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you want me to place WikiProject Christianity templates on all of the LDS temples? Spalds (talk) 17:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, your choice. I would personally prefer it if you added {{WikiProject Christianity|class=|importance=|latter-day-saint-movement=yes|latter-day-saint-movement-importance=}} and removed any extant LDS banners while adding in whatever quality and importance ratings, because that would reduce banner clutter. But if you just wanted to add the banner separately, that would be more than fine as well. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 17:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
So, I should delete all the WikiProject LDS movement templates (the ones I just finished adding) and replace them with WikiProject Christianity templates? Spalds (talk) 17:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
You just added them? Ouch. I didn't know that. Ideally, I would say yes, particularly if you also provided assessment and importance ratings, which are of great importance. Having said that, the LDS banner as is does provide quality assessments for Christianity as well, so that project already has that information. So, if you wanted to, you could. But I wouldn't necessarily consider it the highest priority thing on your list. I am still going to be going through all the relevant articles anyway, and it won't be any extra work to consolidate that one banner as I go through the articles. John Carter (talk) 17:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I actually added the work group template. So, I would use the quality and importance assessments that WP LDS movement gave the articles, and use them with the WP Christianity templates? What about the LDS temples that have been announced or are under construction? Should they also have templates? There are only 129 temples currently open. It will not take me very long. Spalds (talk) 17:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
If you want to, yes. The only thing I would add is that I think the importance rating for Christianity as a whole would be one step lower than that for the LDS church, as that's more or less consistent with the different scopes of the two groups and that's the way it's more or less been done with all content primarily related to one or more of the various groupings within Christianity. John Carter (talk) 17:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
So Top=High, High=Mid, Mid=Low. Spalds (talk) 17:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes. Top to LDS would be High to Christianity, and so on. John Carter (talk) 17:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
What about a Low importance temple? Spalds (talk) 18:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
That would stay at "Low". John Carter (talk) 18:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
What about unknown importance? Spalds (talk) 19:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
They would stay unknown for Christianity as well. But if you know anything about the LDS, I tend to think that you could probably assign importance ratings to most of the individual temples yourself. Most of those which are not particularly historically significant would probably be Mid priority at best. John Carter (talk) 19:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

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I know why

You are, but alot of people will not consider Mormonism a form of Christianity, a view i support for personal reasons: However, removing the LDA church tags altogether also removes them from coverage on the Wikiproject for Mormonism, which is seperate from christinaties project for the reasons i mentioned and because that wikiproject is for Christianity in general, a better solution is ot place both on it, because your not just removing the tags and putting the temples under the Christianity watch, your REMOVING areticles that deal intensly with the LDS from the LDS projects watch and coverage. --Jakezing (Your King (talk) 21:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Tokyo template

The trigger changed to "tokyo=yes" - So I added "tokyo=yes" to the template for the Tokyo temple article WhisperToMe (talk) 22:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Stop!

You're removing the WP:LDS template and replacing it with {{ChristianityWikiProject}} – you need to tag them {{ChristianityWikiProject|latter-day-saint-movement=yes}} at the very least – or preferably {{WikiProject Christianity|class=|importance=|latter-day-saint-movement=yes|latter-day-saint-movement-importance=}} – otherwise they just go into a generic "Christian themes" category. John Carter did explain this above; they need to either keep the separate LDS banner, or include that |latter-day-saint-movement=yes in the template. – iridescent 22:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed that part. I have to go over the temples again anyways. Thanks for notifying me. Spalds (talk) 22:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
He's right. Actually, the best use would be to cut and paste this information and place it on each article talk page.

{{WikiProject Christianity|class=|importance=|latter-day-saint-movement=yes|latter-day-saint-movement-importance=}}

You can then add the appropriate class and importance ratings after the appropriate "=" signs. John Carter (talk) 23:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

That is what I am currently doing. I didn't read all of the instructions you gave me. Thanks for helping. Spalds (talk) 23:11, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
No problem. For what it's worth, cut and paste is what I always do myself to add a banner. It seems to be the quickest way to get it added. John Carter (talk) 23:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

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Country WikiProjects

Re your comment at WP Germany and as it looks like a lot of other projects. Whatever country a particular temple is in falls under the WP of that country. So yes, just leave the importance setting to the members of the country project, although unless you are talking Utah most temples will be classed as low importance for the country projects so you would not go far wrong. There will be very notable exceptions but I imagine the article will give a good hint on why a particular temple was to be of national importance as viewed by outsiders. Agathoclea (talk) 20:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Particularly for temples in the US, or for that matter the UK, Canada, and Australia, look at the WP:PROJDIR/G page and its subpages for the name of the most directly relevant project. They tend to be broken down fairly clearly, but in general for the US place the banner for the relevant state or territory, and for Australia the state or territory as well. If there is a city-specific project relevant, I'd add both the state/province banner and the city banner. And for LDS importance ratings, use "LDS-importance=", not "LDS-work-group-importance=". That should work. John Carter (talk) 20:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
1. Thanks for the information, but what about UK articles? 2. I have been using both LDS-importance & LDS-work-group-importance. If I should not, I can fix them. Spalds (talk) 20:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, if there is a more "specific" project than the UK project, use that. Ditto for Canada, and for all I know New Zealand and any of the others. "LDS-work-group=yes" still works, but somehow I screwed up the banner to make "LDS-importance=" the required phrasing there. John Carter (talk) 20:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

WikiProjects sometimes have templates and sometimes they don't. If a WikiProject does not have a template, they use their parent WikiProject's template (i.e. {{WikiProject Africa|Ghana=yes}}) . However, some WikiProjects have both types, the one in the example and their own template. Which one should I use? Spalds (talk) 17:29, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Good question, which can probably only be answered on a case-by-case basis. My own opinion would be to check to see if the banner of the larger project allows for the same kind of assessment for the more focused project as the banner specifically of the more focused project does. If yes, use the banner of the larger project, with the language indicating assessment for both projects; if not, use both banners. John Carter (talk) 17:33, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
The parent WikiProject template allows for an importance rating for both WikiProjects and a quality rating for the parent project. What do you mean by assessment (quality or importance or both)?

Does this mean that WP united states (if such a WikiProject exists) would also be listed in an article about a building the united states? Spalds (talk) 17:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Assessment meaning both quality and importance. Regarding WikiProject US, I wouldn't include their banner if there exists a state banner, given the size of the US. I might omit WikiProject United Kingdom on the same basis if there is a more specific project. John Carter (talk) 17:46, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Then why did I replace all the WP LDS movement templates? The WP Christianity template does not have a spot for a quality assessment for WP LDS Movement. Spalds (talk) 17:48, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Basically, it does. The quality assessment is standardized for all projects in that banner. Quality tends to be standard across projects, so that's easy. Importance assessment varies more easily. If the parent project banner doesn't allow for a separate importance rating for the more focused project, and the more focused project's banner does have importance assessments, then they will probably want the option of using that function, and that's why you want both banners there if the less focused project's banner doesn't allow for a separate importance rating for the more focused project. John Carter (talk) 17:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Just to clarify, if the parent WikiProject template allows for an importance rating for the child WikiProject, I should add the the parent WikiProject template. If the preceding is correct, which continents should I use it for? Spalds (talk) 18:01, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Probably Africa, Caribbean, South America, Western Asia, Polynesia/Micronesia/Melanesia, Antarctica, Central America, and Central Asia where possible. John Carter (talk) 18:04, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
What is your definition of Western & Central Asia? Spalds (talk) 21:53, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
That of Wikipedia:WikiProject Central Asia and Wikipedia:WikiProject Western Asia, each of which lists which subprojects/countries are relevant to it. John Carter (talk) 22:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

WP Central Asia covers China, but is Hong Kong included? Technically, Hong Kong is part of China, but China doesn't treat Hong Kong like the rest of China. Spalds (talk) 22:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Use Template:WikiProject Hong Kong or Template:WikiProject Macau as relevant for those areas. John Carter (talk) 22:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

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LDS Church work group

Hello. I noticed you've made edits to articles related to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and thought you might be interested in participating in the LDS Church work group, part of the Latter Day Saint movement WikiProject. The group aims to serve as a hub for collaboration on Church-related articles. You don't have to be a member of the Church to participate, and the only requirement for active membership is that you edit at least one Church-related article per month. Best wishes! —Eustress talk 21:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Mormon temples in Mexico

Hi! All Mormon temples in Mexico belong in the Mexico wikiproject :) WhisperToMe (talk) 09:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Saskatchewan WP

reply given about WP. SriMesh | talk 18:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

LDS & Christianity

Right now, the LDS banner also provides quality assessments for the Christianity project, if not importance assessments. So, in effect, any articles tagged with the LDS banner are also assessed for the Christianity project. Having said that, the LDS banner doesn't allow for priority rating for the Christianity project, while the Christianity banner does provide such for the LDS projects, so my personal choice would be to use the Christianity banner with the LDS tag rather than the LDS banner. I hope to, eventually, remove all the banners of the daughter projects and replace them with the Christianity banner, although with 30000 articles that would be a lot of work. So any such article should probably be tagged with one banner or the other, although I myself would prefer using the Christianity banner because of the greater functionality. John Carter (talk) 13:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I am starting to replace all the banners in WikiProject LDS Movement. It will take a while but I hope to have at least 500 done by next week. Could you leave some sort of approval comment here in case this move is met with controversy. Thanks. Spalds (talk) 18:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
That would be great. The only matter to make sure of is that the banner should be set up to provide tagging and assessment for the LDS project, but I'm fairly sure you'll make sure to do that. John Carter (talk) 18:41, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Currently, I am working with the LDS work group articles. I add the WP:Christianity banner with the WP LDS movement and LDS work group parameters. If the old banner has class & importance ratings, I add those too, and adjust them for WP:Christianity (High=Mid, Mid=Low etc.) Spalds (talk) 18:49, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
That's it. Figuring out the differential "importance" rating for the LDS movement and LDS work group might be difficult in some cases, but I'm fairly sure any judgements you make there would be reasonable ones. John Carter (talk) 19:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Award moved to User:Spalds/Barnstars. Spalds (talk) 04:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Latter Day Saint disambiguation

Hi. For articles about members of the LDS Church that require disambiguation, the LDS Manual of Style says "(Mormon)" is used. For those who were notable prior to the 1844 succession crisis, "(Latter Day Saints)" is used. I've reversed a couple of moves you made to members who are notable only as LDS Church members, not as pre-succession crisis Latter Day Saints. I know this has been controversial in the past, but it's where things have settled for now. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Follow-up

Thanks for your help tagging numerous articles. Some other ideas for contributing to WP:LDS are listed on the work group's page on the To Do list, or you could solicit more ideas on one of the work group's talk pages. But since we've got a lot of housekeeping items pretty well squared away now, it would be a good time to work on improving all the articles we now have tagged--probably starting with the most important ones.

Looking forward to continuing to work with you! —Eustress talk 02:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I am going to be working on the items on the to-do list. Add some more items to the to-do list and I will work on it. Spalds (talk) 04:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Can you help me? I work at the Church Office Building. Elder Bruce C. Hafen has some concerns about his Wiki biography (Bruce C. Hafen). He has asked me to help. The last two sentences of his biography were pasted from the Salt Lake Tribune following his Evergreen address on same-gender attraction. He feels that the two sentences that have been added need more context. He has given me some sentences to add that essentially include the content that is currently while providing additional context. His suggested text has supporting citations (those being the LDS.org Newsroom transcript of his talk and his biography as posted on the LDS.org Newsroom). I'm not sure what is the best way to start.CedricMalone (talk) 19:55, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, you have a clear conflict of interest with the subject, so I suggest not editing the article itself, but if you posted the info here I could look at it, and revise it if necessary. Spalds (talk) 20:26, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK issue

I have removed your proposed hook, "... that Richard Nibley was one of the original orchestra members in the Mormon Miracle Pageant?", from the queue. DYK procedure is to add a newly proposed hook to the Suggestions page where it will be reviewed by other editors before it can be put into the queue. You must not add your own hooks to the queue directly. I look forward to your positive contributions in the future. - Dravecky (talk) 07:37, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Temples under construction

Hey - I hope you're ok with me including that in the template so it will automatically update when someone changes the status from Announced or Under Construction - let me know if you have any suggestions. --Trödel 02:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You've lost me. Which template? Spalds (talk) 02:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
{{Infobox LDS Temple}} which is used on pages such as Gilbert Arizona Temple‎, Trujillo Peru Temple‎‎, etc that you edited a few days ago to add {{future building}}. Now the infobox will automatically add the {{future building}} template to the top of the article if the status of the temple is Announced or Under Construction. --Trödel 02:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
All for it, less work for everybody. Spalds (talk) 02:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

willing to help

I am new to this wiki editing but I have been trying. I made this page Wilford W. Andersen and I am member for long time and I know a thing or 2. Point is I would be willing to help if I can. Stuartsampson (talk) 03:48, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


Speedy deletion declined: User talk:218.253.82.241

Hello Spalds. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User talk:218.253.82.241, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. Thank you. The WordsmithCommunicate 21:08, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

List of Latter day saints

I added the listing of "John Wadsworth" to the business section. He is the President of Tahitian Noni as I stated with the source. However, He is NOT the John Wadsworth that is linked to on another wikipedia page. I tried to remove the hyperlink on his name two or three times but the incorrect hyperlink is attached again after I delete it. Please help me fix this. ````Timlewellen

I see now. Interestingly enough, Tahitian Noni redirects to its parent article, which casts doubts on the notability of the person. I am removing his entry in the list, since it should only be for people with articles. Spalds (talk) 20:08, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

LDS temple in Aba

Hi! If something is in Nigeria, it belongs in the Nigeria project! WhisperToMe (talk) 23:56, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Completely forgot about that message. I added it anyways. Thanks for getting back to me. Spalds (talk) 02:10, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Emeritus GAs

Just to let you know, emeritus general authorities of the LDS Church are still general authorities, so when someone is made an emeritus GA in 2010, it's not appropriate to say in their bio that they ceased being a GA in 2010. They are released from the First Quorum of the Seventy but are never released as a general authority. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Spalds (talk) 03:08, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

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Please excuse me as this is the first time I have responded to a message and I am not certain if I have done it correctly. What you pointed out was nothing more than a typographical error, for which I apologize and thank you for pointing out to me. It is now corrected. JDLarsen (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC).

Template:LDSproject

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement#Template:LDSproject. 208.81.184.4 (talk) 17:11, 9 February 2011 (UTC) (Using {{pls}})

Thanks, I'll keep an eye on the discussion and add comments if necessary. Regards, Spalds (talk) 14:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


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Rob Bishop Changes

Thanks for looking over the Rob Bishop page. Your changes are fine, however there were two paragraphs deleted that I have since re-sourced and inserted back into the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snyderut1847 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I made a change to your change which kept the same meaning, but removed some of the more (in my opinion) anti-Bishop sentiments. Also, if you could find a source besides thinkprogress.org (a progressive left-leaning website), it would be great. I kept it in there because the video speaks for itself, but I'd rather have the "review" of the video done by a newspaper or similar entity. Thanks for your help, Spalds (talk) 03:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks again. I understand the importance of keeping the neutral point of view so I made some slight tweaks that retain that, however don't overlook any facts.
So far so good, but I think that changing the source from thinkprogress.org to WSJ is counter-productive to the reader, as no real information is available from the WSJ site, except for the link to thinkprogress.org Spalds (talk) 23:13, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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