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FYI

Greetings...In case you did not see it, I left you a message on my "talk" page, in reply to the message you left on the page. Thank you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Artistsinfobooks

Artistsinfobooks (talk) 23:40, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Artistsinfobooks You and a number of other editors seem to have no other interest on Wikipedia except this article, do you have a connection with Jenny Lynn (photographer) by any chance? Theroadislong (talk) 23:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
I do not. I am, though, an admirer of her work. Artistsinfobooks (talk) 00:01, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Actor Article Submission (New)

@Theroadislong

In answer to your comment (which I appreciate) as to paid content: I met the actress and her husband earlier today for the first time through a mutual friend. They have indeed offered to pay me to write an brief article for each of them. They are both accomplished artists in their fields of graphic and performing arts. Each has a website devoted to their work, and the awards and recognition they've received through the years. MeeWha Lee (the actor) is featured in the upcoming film Umma (mother in Korean), Sony Studios, Sam Raimi produced, playing Sandra Oh's mother.

I am obviously new regarding Wikimedia policies and procedures. I'm really just trying to help out in response to my friend's request. I will of course adhere to any and all policies regarding full disclosure, non-promotion et al.

I realize they may not meet certain prerequisites, but I'd like to submit an article for each and if they pass muster, so be it. If not, then we'll know.

Any article on how to how to write an article will be most appreciated: I received detailed comments from Victor Schmidt, and Nick Moyes, so I've got much to learn and digest before proceeding.

Sincerely,

Hugh G McCormack — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugh G McCormack (talk • contribs) 19:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Creating an article from scratch is the MOST difficult task here. Notability of a topic is judged by looking at the depth of coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources.

Novice editors are commonly advised to cite at least three independent, reliable, secondary sources containing significant coverage. Some degree of regional, statewide, national, or international media coverage is also required. Most people are not suitable subjects for an encyclopedia article. See WP:YFA. Please make the mandatory paid editing declaration on your user page as requested on your talk page before you do anything else or you are likely to be blocked before you even start, paid editing whilst allowed is very seriously NOT encouraged here by volunteer editors who give their time freely. Theroadislong (talk) 19:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Declined Article on Satya Narayanan

You have mentioned that Amazon and Linkedin are not reliable sources but would Amazon page linked is not a product page but rather a page on the events that they conduct. The subject has been invited as a speaker to global events due to which I mentioned the link. I will attempt to find alternates to the linked in links though. Please see if you could reconsider. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.251.188.226 (talk) 11:13, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

The draft Draft:Satya Narayanan R was rejected, I'm afraid it won't be considered further. Theroadislong (talk) 11:25, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Maier Piece

Everything is there and if you read the New York Times or Google you will address the concerns you put in the initial rejection, I believe. Let’s work together to *add* content on Wiki! Faits1789 (talk) 18:47, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Re Draft:Alexander Jackson Maier Wikipedia articles require there to be in-depth coverage in the sources, this [1] is NOT remotely in-depth and provides zero evidence of notability. Theroadislong (talk) 18:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Nevaeh Saga Novels

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Becbec814/sandbox Would like to see you help have this page published. Becbec814 (talk · contribs) No draft specified! "I am not a Wikipedia page writer, and I want the best for this writer that has shown that he should be on here, for a mastery of works, and pending world records, that should be seen and shard via a Encyclopedia, via online refences and public webpages, I have done all that I can at this point. I would like to ask kindly to make changes that best help make this page happen as it should. Thanks!" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Becbec814 (talk • contribs) 10:22, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Commercial links to purchase his books are not suitable sources, neither are blogs, Facebook, his own website or Instagram. I’m not sure what’s left when you remove these, but nothing indicates that they pass WP:NAUTHOR. Theroadislong (talk) 10:29, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Nevaeh Saga Novels

Becbec814 (talk · contribs) No draft specified! "I am not a Wikipedia page writer, and I want the best for this writer that has shown that he should be on here, for a mastery of works, and pending world records, that should be seen and shard via a Encyclopedia, via online refences and public webpages, I have done all that I can at this point. I would like to ask kindly to make changes that best help make this page happen as it should. Thanks!" Everything you asked for has been done at this time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Becbec814 (talk • contribs) 10:35, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Response to Previous Message

Hi there,

Thank you for your message. I am an intern in Washington DC for the organization and was updating some outdated information today. This is my first time using Wikipedia, so I appreciate your feedback. All of the information on the page can be verified on the website for the organization. I would also like to move the page back to its original state, rather than a draft if possible. Thank you!

Best,

Artist789 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artist789 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

The draft Draft:Hemphill Fine Arts has zero sources and will not be moved to main space until it does. You have a conflict of interest so you should not be editing articles directly, but only making suggestions on the article talk pages. Theroadislong (talk) 21:58, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Deleting Draft

Hi, you deleted my draft of Derrick Roper saying I am writing a CV, its not me I'm writing on, I'm another Derrick in the family. not the one in the article. please could u reconsider. Please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derrick roper (talk • contribs) 10:22, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I didn't delete your draft I rejected it, I have rejected it again here Draft:Derrick Roper there is no evidence that they are notable in Wikipedia terms which ever Derrick they are. Theroadislong (talk) 11:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

UPE at MyGate

I actually just added that tag back, I think the editor needs to add a section disclosing on article talk. —valereee (talk) 13:25, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

NM, I'm an idiot, you did both —valereee (talk) 13:27, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
They have disclosed it on their user page User:Loveneeth which I think is usually sufficient but I may be wrong? Theroadislong (talk) 13:28, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
It is strongly recommended but not required for reasons that apparently involve Wikimedians in Residence? I'm not clear on it myself. —valereee (talk) 14:32, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

PLEASE REVIEW ONCE AGAIN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dr_Hemachandran_Ravikumar HEY BROTHER , SEEN YOUR REVIEW ITS IS SAID THAT THE PAGE IS LIKE ADVERTISEMENT , BUT ACTUALLY THAT IS MOT ADVERTISEMENT WE HAVE CLEARLY SUBMITTED THE REFERENCE LINK FOR EVERYTHING , PLEASE GO THROUGH THE REFERENCE LINK ONCE AND DECIDE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nhrp (talk • contribs) 18:09, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Nhrp: The page has since been deleted by an admin, so Theroadislong won't be able to consult what was once there. Also, who's "we"? Please be aware that shared accounts are prohibited and don't WP:SHOUT. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:26, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Longstanding page moved to draft

The Hemphill Fine Arts article was moved to draft after 10 years in mainspace. Noting the September 2020 consensus about Draftification, I think the future of the article would be better resolved using deletion discussion procedures. Can I suggest reversing the actions taken on November 20th so that an AfD on the article in mainspace can then be opened? AllyD (talk) 08:54, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

AllyD please feel free to move back to main space and take to afd. Theroadislong (talk) 09:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Marco Augusto Dueñas

Hi, please advise why you have requested to delete this article? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Finlaykate (talk • contribs) 12:32, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I haven't tagged it for deletion? I have tagged it for notability, it's not clear how he would pass the criteria at WP:NARTIST. Theroadislong (talk) 12:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Assistance on AfC Submission

Can you please ad the comment back that will allow submission apologies for the deletion Kruzepatrick (talk) 19:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Please reviews the article

Please reviews the article I have added news paper cut also — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gbiswal (talk • contribs) 05:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Please leave the page alonr

It seems you don’t really like the page created, but its about information not affirmation. I would like you to remove yourself from this process as I assume you have many other you can review in your fashion. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abramsartistsnyc (talk • contribs) 16:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Barry N. Haack

Back on August 7 you declined "Barry N. Haack." After addressing the issues you identified I resubmitted the article. It's been over four months now, and I've heard nothing more from any editor about the proposed article. Can you tell me anything about its status? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twilson088 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Twilson088 There are still 4 large paragraphs with no sources, it might help if you provided the sources for this content. Theroadislong (talk) 20:46, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Donald Gould Article

Hello Theroadislong,

I've seen the notability template entered on the article I've recently submitted and wanted advice on how to improve this status. I'm new to editing on Wikipedia, so might not be privy to all of the rules and regulations of the platform.

I've added several respected citations to the article from various sources including The Washington Post, Inside Edition, ABC news, CNN, FOX and ACLU of Florida. There are also many videos relating to Donald Gould available on YouTube but I've mostly avoided using these. I have also included a section on a court case he was involved in against the city of Sarasota. Will this improve the notability of the subject matter?

Thanks for your time regarding this.

Sonichead3000 (talk) 18:12, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I have removed the tag, he fails WP:NMUSICIAN but probably passes WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 18:30, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your response and for the information you forwarded. I've got a lot of reading up to do. :) Sonichead3000 (talk) 21:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Request on 03:14:06, 26 November 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Nedyakton


Hello ... I need your help as this is my first time using wikipedia and am very inexperience especially i see that there is a bit of programming can be done.

My company is quite a new company and my CEO wanted to put up a bit of information on wikipedia.

Do you have a sample of a simple wikipedia post that i can based on so that at least a bit of information on the company can be placed on wikipedia.

Looking forward to hear from you

Nedyakton (talk) 03:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Independent Source

The independent source for the article is the scientist himself. The article also lists the many publications that have also covered him in the past. Is this not sufficient verification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scientrep (talk • contribs) 03:41, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Absolutely NOT! He is not an independent source. Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything said or published by him. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them: the article should be limited to a summary of what such independent sources have said about them. Theroadislong (talk) 05:59, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback

Hi, thanks for the feedback. In addition to the links that are not independent of the subject, I've also provided links to government websites, charities, university websites, national newspapers and local newspapers. As the reference on the city council website highlights, he falls under the 'Non-diplomatic ambassadorships' subsection of Wikipedia, which should hopefully prove his notability, but I'm struggling as this is my first article (that wasn't an edit - I've been editing anonymously for years). Attempting to find items from over a decade ago without an explicit link is proving difficult on wayback machine. Even the city newspaper, the Leicester Mercury, has had a digital reshuffle so I can only find their most recent of their articles, and even that is through the internet archive. Do you have any further suggestions for how else I could improve it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tim_Grayson_(poet) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackjackm1990 (talk • contribs) 12:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid it doesn't appear that he is WP:Notable in Wikipedia's terms. Theroadislong (talk) 12:08, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

According to WP:Author he is, as 'he is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors'. The references include Dr Corinne Fowler, Dr Jessica Gossling, and Kathleen Rooney. He is also known for founding the Brothellian movement, which is referenced by a national newspaper (the Independent), the University of Leicester and Goldsmiths University, London. Would that be included in originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique, too? The original tag was WP:Author but it looks like that was removed by another editor. If not, we could look at the entertainer tag, as he 'has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment'.

I disagree, but you are free to re-submit I will not review it again, but leave it for another reviewer, paid editing will be held to a much higher level of scrutiny. the Brothellian movement is not a notable movement. Theroadislong (talk) 12:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Sara Radstone/ photos of work

Thank you for your reply. Judging by your history it is amazing how many ceramicists, and North Cornwall- I love Morwenstow! that you have written about. In terms of Radstone, she has fully endorsed the inclusion of the images that I put into the article, no doubt because she is not at all worried about their reproduction on jugs, mugs and t shirts, as ‘Cullen 328’ seemed to presume she would. Indeed I imagine that she would be very pleased with the exposure and also presumes that it could raise the value of her actual ceramics. Should I presume by your kind reply that if she were to upload the images herself that that would be acceptable to Wikipedia? ( RSLLX) RSLLX (talk) 14:48, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes that would be fine as long as she actually took the photographs, copyright is held by the photographer not the owner of the photograph. Theroadislong (talk) 14:50, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Request on 19:03:56, 23 November 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Sol1


What kind of sources do you expert? This is the last missing article from Athletics at the 1920 Summer Olympics – Men's individual cross country, and if you check the other articles on the participants, you'll see that they are based on the same sources. Sol1 (talk) 19:03, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

In order for an article subject to be considered notable by the Wikipedia community, we require that an article subject receive significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. You have no sources? Theroadislong (talk) 19:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
The sources are the same as for the other athletes covered in Athletics at the 1920 Summer Olympics – Men's individual cross country. Why don't you think that they are "reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject"? --Sol1 (talk) 11:47, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Sol1 Your draft Draft:Larry Cummins has two external links they are not sources, they will need to be formatted inline for a WP:BLP article. Please also see other poorly sourced articles exist. Theroadislong (talk) 12:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
"For a WP:BLP article..." This is not a living person. "...other poorly sourced articles exist..." Literally thousands of similar sourced articles about Olympic athletes exist. --Sol1 (talk) 15:15, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
My bad didn't notice he was dead, it still requires sources not external links, could you convert and re-submit. Theroadislong (talk) 15:27, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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Draft:Aroon Shahzad

my request to publish an article about me is rejected. please let me know why it is rejected so that i can work on it and improve more on my article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aroon Shahzad (talk • contribs) 17:47, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about their lives. There are plenty of social-networking sites like Facebook where you can do that, but Wikipedia is different - a project to build an encyclopedia. This is explained at Wikipedia is not about YOU and Wikipedia:Autobiography. Theroadislong (talk) 17:51, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

The same editor has included a mention of the book (that you previously removed) in a prominent part of the text. It is not quite so blatant but is it now acceptable?BFP1 (talk) 10:33, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

I've removed, it's just book promotion spam from the publisher. Theroadislong (talk) 10:55, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
ThanksBFP1 (talk) 15:30, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:John A. Dobelman

Thank you for your assistance, Theroadislong. I believe I have corrected the formatting issues for references. What is the approval timeline for new pages submitted to Wikipedia? 602Dexter (talk) 18:35, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

You still have no independent sources? His own books are not independent. Theroadislong (talk) 18:39, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
It's possible he passes WP:NACADEMIC I don't know, but he doesn't pass WP:GNG based on what your draft shows currently, you will need to submit for review and then a review can take up to 3 months, the more independent reliable sources you have the quicker it will be accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 18:42, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Did you see my messages to you on my talk page?

You haven't responded yet, so I just wanted to make sure you saw it. Thanks. Dbeusee (talk) 22:16, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

You are responsible for her fan club so you have a clear conflict of interest, it would be advisable to use the Edit request method on the article's talk page for future content. Theroadislong (talk) 22:19, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
@Theroadislong: Can you answer my question about what specifically will it take to remove the warning box from the article and if I did the disclosure properly? And just to clarify... I run a fan club where she is the subject. It is not her fan club - nobody related to her has any control or influence over it. If I did a edit request, who would respond to it, and how long should I reasonably wait before just making the edit myself? Another question, does all the discussion on my talk page and the article's talk page need to remain there forever? What are the rules about that? Most important right now is what needs to be done, and by who, to get the warning box removed? I appreciate all that you do and your feedback. Dbeusee (talk) 23:08, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
@Theroadislong: Hi, I saw your reply on Talk:Charlotte_Summers and I replied to it:
None of the awards are notable and have no in-depth coverage in independent sources, they confer no notability whatsoever. Theroadislong (talk) 03:52, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
@Theroadislong: Ok. I didn't put any of those in, but I removed the entire section. Dbeusee (talk) 00:22, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
If I could get answers to my questions above, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks! Dbeusee (talk) 01:03, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Let me try to answer your questions Dbeusee. Edit requests should, in my opinion, only be answered by editors unconnected to the subject matter (i.e. doesn't have a WP:COI) who are knowlegable enough about relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines to properly assess the request. All Wikipedia editors are WP:VOLUNTEERs who work on things that interest them, but there are some who try to help out by answering edit requests. Answering your own edit request kind of defeats the purpose of an edit request in the first place; so, you just have to be patient until another editor comes along to assess you request. Follow the guidance given in WP:PSCOI#Steps for engagement if a week passes and nobody responds to your request.
The "warning box" your referring to are called maintenance templates; like edit requests, pages tagged with such templates are flagged for review and there are volunteer editors who go around trying to "fix" articles tagged with such templates. Basically, they are removed as explained here. The templates added to the article have nothing to do with whether you disclose any COI and doing so will not speed up their removal, but you shouldn't remove them unless your completely certain that you've resolved the relevant issues. If you do remove such a template and another editor subsequently re-adds it, use the article talk page to establish a WP:CONSENSUS one way or the other.
You may remove content from your user talk page as explained in WP:BLANKING; however, your user talk page isn't really yours per se; so, in a sense, you're sort of just "renting" from the Wikimedia Foundation, but are given a bit of leeway when it comes to "managing" it. Article talk pages, however, are different in that they are for the use of all editors who want to discuss ways to improve an article; you may remove or revise posts you make on such pages as explained in WP:REDACT under some conditions, but you shouldn't remove/blank content added by other editors as explained in WP:TPO. Article talk pages who get to long and become unwieldy to navigate may be WP:ARCHIVEd, but archiving should not be used as a way to hide or end discussion you might not like.
A conflict of interest can also be because your connection to the subject of an article is so strong that you might find it quite difficult to write about the subject in a WP:NPOV way. So, even though you're not in charge of Summers' official fan club or aren't in her employ in any way, the fact that you do run a fan club about her might indicate a strong connection that might make it hard for you to see her in any way other than as a fan. An actor may have many fans, some who may be even considered super fans; it's not necessarily the fact that they are fans which gives them a conflict of interest, but the fact that their fandom is getting in the way or hampering their ability to edit in accordance with Wikipedia's policies ang guidelines. Editors, including COI editors, who are here for Wikipedia seem to run into much fewer problems than editors who are here for other reasons. You will be assessed based upon your contributions as an editor. If you can demonstrate to others through your contirbutions that you have a fairly good grasp of WP:COPO and WP:5P, you'll probably be fine; if not, you'll find yourself having problems. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:56, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
@Theroadislong: @Marchjuly: Thank you for explaining all that! I'll need more time to absorb all this, but a couple of things I am not very clear about:
* The people you identify as "editors"...are you saying these are people who work on the Wikipedia project, not the, shall I say, other contributors who want to work on the same page that I am contributing to? And I gather these editors find these "edit requests" in some sort of queue? I assume these editors have achieved some sort of understanding of the Wikipedia rules and then given "editor" access which includes access to this "edit requests" queue? Or is there really no distinction from Wikipedia's point of view between editor and contributor and anyone can access this queue?
* As far as the maintenance template that was added to the page, I wish to resolve it. If I don't know exactly what I did to trigger it, how can I know how to resolve it, and know that it is resolved or not? That is what I was hoping to get from Theroadislong, since he/she was the person that raised the issues in the first place. I also thought Theroadislong would be the one to remove the template when he/she thought it was resolved, since I wouldn't be the one to determine that. I read the page about how to resolve it and it doesn't really answer these questions. I think anyone raising such issues with a maintenance template should be clear about what caused him/her to raise it and what needs to happen to resolve it. I also wonder if *I* am the one who added whatever text to the article that prompted the maintenance template to be added, because at the same time the maintenance template went up, he/she deleted text which did NOT come from me, yet I was the target of it. Again, without any detailed feedback on exactly what triggered it, I have no clue. Am I making sense? It would be nice if Theroadislong could update the talk page for the article detailing exactly what triggered it and how to resolve it so that it can be safely removed. As I noted above, Theroadislong did mention one thing on the article's talk page, which I have resolved by removing the entire section, as I noted. Is that what raised the maintenance template? I have no clue. Someone please help me resolve this!
Dbeusee (talk) 07:39, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
I have trimmed the article for fan cruft and removed the tags. Theroadislong (talk) 08:22, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
@Theroadislong: Thank you so much! That was very helpful - I appreciate it! Dbeusee (talk) 01:55, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) All Wikipedia editors are WP:VOLUNTEERs who edit for their own reasons and at their own pace. The Wikimedia Foundation has paid-staff, but they aren't really involved in the upkeep of articles. If they do edit, then they do so as volunteers just like everyone else. I'm not familiar with the specifics of edit requests, but I believe when Template:Edit request is (properly) used, the article talk page it's added to is itself added to a category page of outstanding requests. The requests are most likely categorized according to the date they were made, but I think those who answer them simply look for requests they feel they can answer in no particular order. Some editors may look for requests which have been outstanding for quite sometime whereas others might look for requests about subjects they feel they know something about. I believe any editor who wants to help out answering requests can do so, but a certain degree of competence is required. For example, if someone means well and wants to help out by answering requests but really has no idea as to what they're doing, there "answer" might be WP:REVERTed by a more experienced editor to see whether a WP:CONSENSUS can be established either way. If this happens too many times, then it's possible that an editor might be requested to refrain from answering any more requests unitl they gain a better understanding of things Wikipedia.
Maintenance templates can be added by any editor who feels there's a problem that needs addressing. Editors are encouraged to avoid adding such templates just for the sake of adding them or excessively adding them ans if possible, instead of adding a template, the problem should be fixed. However, not everyone has the time or the confidence to try and fix things so; so, they add a template to let others know about their concerns. If you want to find out why a template was added to a specific article, then check the article's history to see if you can figure out who added it and when it was added. Sometimes the person adding it will leave an edit summary explaining why if it's not something that's quite obvious. You can also check the article's talk page because sometimes the editor adding a template will further clarify on the talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:40, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
@Marchjuly: Thank you for all that! I'll digest all this. Dbeusee (talk) 01:55, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi!

Hi! So sorry I hadn't realised I was doing the referencing wrong and have only just seen your messages. Can I ask if I am referencing from a book can I write the title of the book or is that not allowed? Sorry again this is the first time I have used Wikipedia., Thank you for alerting me about this.

Kind Regards (LibriBecky (talk) 10:23, 29 November 2020 (UTC))

It seems like you just want to promote a book, in which case Wikipedia is not the place. Theroadislong (talk) 10:49, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Electronics the religion

Regarding your comment about my article is not "viable article". We are community. A religion. A special religion mostly of IT's and gamers. Also please visit list ~ Wiki Religion~ There you can find many religions, from different origin and content. From Robotic to Rastafari. We just want to be "foundable" at Wiki. Best Regards. You can write to my "Talks" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.205.138.145 (talk) 17:49, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

In order to demonstrate notability, you will need to provide multiple references to in-depth articles written about "Electronics the religion" in unrelated, independent journals, magazines, books or online. Any article should be based on them alone, we have no interest in what they want to say about themselves, we can visit their own website for that, this is an encyclopedia not a directory to be found in. Theroadislong (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Care to tell me why you're so hell-bent on removing large chunks of text from my article?

You rudely called it unsourced "puffery" and so I sourced it. You retaliated by removing even more lines from the text, for nonsensical reasons like "promotional". BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 10:11, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is written in a dry neutral tone content like "It has been described as an outdoor classroom, a place to rediscover leisure and wellness, a calming space to unplug from the city and reconnect with nature, and above all, a meeting place for family and friends" and "one of the oldest and largest urban parks" is unsourced and promotional so I removed it. Theroadislong (talk) 10:21, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
If you say so. BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 10:34, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
It has nothing to do with what I say, it is Wikipedia's core policy see Wikipedia:Five pillars. Theroadislong (talk) 11:53, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Dear Theroadislong.. I read this eith interest because some similar and I felt unjustified words were written from editors- not you I don’t think- regarding the article ‘Sara Radstone’ . I looked at Edmund de Waal on Wikipedia as a source of guidance and because he is a ceramic peer of Ms Radstone and was amazed at the amount of incited self promotional words regarding him and his work- nothing against him, he is a person that I greatly admire , but it is easy to think that at times there is ‘ one rule for one and another rule for another.ZRSLLX RSLLX (talk) 17:01, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Should say ‘incited’, and ‘with interest’- sorry RSLLX (talk) 17:02, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Phones eh... should say, ‘ not cited’ sorry again RSLLX RSLLX (talk) 17:03, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Ucamco new article

Dear Theroadislong,

The article was a solution to a dozen or so dead links, pointing to the developer of the ubiquitous Gerber format. If you prefer dead links to the article, so be it. I will not spend more time on it.

I am puzzled that you call me a new editor, though. I have a couple of hundred contributions under the belt. How may thousand does it take to become an experienced editor?

Ludwig Boltzmann (talk) 18:32, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

My submission at Articles for creation: Museo Arqueológico de Ibiza y Formentera in Ibiza (November 27)

Hi there and thanks for your feedback. Fairly new to Wikipedia yet as a private individual, who enjoy editing to contribute to others’ knowledge. I read all of what you say re looks like an advertisement and source are produced by me yet if you check the museum is state owned, the sources are all external websites that reference the good this museum does. It is like if you were to say to the first person that wrote the page about the British museum that they can t and it is advertising.

And I reach out to you as I want to understand and learn especially as we seem to have a few topic/ interest in common like pottery and ceramics. And I see you started pages for quite a few potter or céramiste studios. Why would nt they be consider advertising on their first write up and appearance?

Looking forward to your compelling feedback,

Best — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.106.75.197 (talk) 18:57, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Skillhouse

Good day Theroadislong,

Thank you for reviewing my article. I tried my best to write it in a neutral point of view so I apologize if it still came off as an advertisement.

Can you please advise on how I can improve the article and what needs to be changed or removed?

Thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.139.215.105 (talk) 00:02, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Skillhouse Article

Hi Theroadislong,

Thank you very much for reviewing my article. I tried my best to study and adhere to the rules of Wikipedia but I apologize if the article still came off as an advertisement.

Can you please advise on how I can improve the article and which parts are needed to be removed/changed?

Thank you very much for your time and consideration! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shallou Vignette (talk • contribs) 00:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

A cup of tea for you.
Thank you for your work on the Sara Radstone opinion piece article. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:35, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, however most of my attempts to introduce a more neutral tone were reverted. Theroadislong (talk) 18:43, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Yes, unfortunately the OP and "mentors" resist making/keeping the article neutral. It is a disservice to the artist. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 02:15, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Question

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Hello, what do you mean by "sources"? Is it the reference section?

Yes your draft Draft:Hadji Angel's House has no sources/references.

In order for an article’s subject to be considered notable by the Wikipedia community, we require that it receive significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject this is what you base an article on. Theroadislong (talk) 08:05, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi! I'm writting on behalf of the article about Vidar Halldorsson that was declined due to citation issues.

I'm wondering if setting up links to websites will be sufficient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MMilanezi (talk • contribs) 15:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

CanAge

Hi. You recently rejected my Wikipedia entry for CanAge, noting that it is blatant advertising. I created the page to list the vision and services of a nonprofit that my team and I recently created. Please reconsider your rejection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanAge2020 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I have tagged it for speedy deletion it is blatant advertising and has no place on Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 19:26, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I am both surprised and shocked to see your message and terming the article as an advertisement without any reference?

Hello The Road is Long,

I hope this msg finds you well.

I am both surprised and shocked on so many levels to see your message and terming the article as an advertisement without any reference? May I ask you what makes you say that? As I wrote it based on research and it is based on the news articles and available information including pictures etc. I think the reference based on TOP news papers of the world and leading media on the likes of BBC and VoA is enough to say that this is a FREE for ALL game which was made by two kids.

I use wikipedias a source of information and just to share with you, only few days ago I looked at the IB PYS (Primary school Systems) and MYS (Middle School System page) and I was surprised to see that all the Pages of IB schooling system were actually written and seems to be more like their marketing collateral! However the more important part was thatI noticed that Wikipedia has put a small note on it by saying "IT SEEMS LIKE MARKETING Material" so can someone please help us?

To anyone who has experience in Journalism (such as myself) It is clear that IB PYS pages are indeed (not seems) like Marketing material but I am sure no one will remove them nor will take notice of it?

I do not mean to sound negative but I feel that the origin of the story and the kids who never been to school seems to be the matter! if this game was made by some Elite school or Kids from some Elite School, it would not have gotten this sort of treatment!

I would like you to please tell me categorically that what makes you say there are NO REFERENCES in the ARTICLES! The only alert which Wiki send me when I was about to publish the page after a trying day was to remove the Facebook link which I also agree that anyone can make a Facebook (and I did deleted it) however I must tell you that It was a Facebook Page of of Government Ministry under Commerce Ministry! However since Twitter is difference as it is verified, I thought to delete the Facebook link from the Source because as I respect rules and I always try to follow them.

As you seem to have interest in arts and pottery and crafts, I have interest in technology, interactive media and creativity (animation and games) so I write this article / information piece for the awareness of public and especially kids who are suffering due to pandemic and since I have witnessed this myself that so many kids learned from this game, I feel like helping to spread the word!

I will leave you with one comment that Marketing is usually done to sell something, the game is free and there are no ads etc it int and anyone can play it! so I am surprised to see your allegation that this is marketing and surprised to see you termed it as an article with no CREDIBLE References! I mean BBC, Voice of America, Tribune etc are not credible to publish this story.

I invite you to look at it from a point of view where this game has helped save lives and this was my purpose. I was happy to also contribute something for society but your terming it marketing makes me feel sick!

Marketing is the last thing I would do for anyone, as purpose of journalism and fact finding is to write facts. So please be factual and point where is marketing in that article and for what? It is a free game.

I hope you will reconsider your point of view and look at it in more empathetic manner.

In the meanwhile I would like to see if you may flag and remove the IB PYS pages and so many other marketing pages in Wikipedia which belongs to billion dollars industry! Instead of removing them from the Wikipedia you choose to hit works of 2 kids who have never been to school etc

I hope you will reconsider my candid feedback and positively review my research and publish the page I made on wikipedia rest assured I will only write if things are factual and only use reference of credible News papers!

I hope to see your response with same speed with which you tried to allege me research as paid marketing with no news paper reference!

My two cents!

Have a nice day Editor CW (talk) 19:44, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I didn't say it had no references? I declined it because it read like an advert content like "the world's first multi-platform game to help fight the Covid-19 pandemic by busting the myths and applying behavioural changes to embrace the "new normal" in an experiential learning simulation environment." is totally unacceptable sorry. You can get other opinions here Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. Theroadislong (talk) 20:03, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I am surprised and shocked again to see more allegations from you | Copy paste? Seriously?

Hello The road is long,

Thanks for your reply message.

I am deeply shocked again to see more allegations from you. This time you have dropped the allegation of marketing etc and came up with Copy paste allegation instead of asking me as to why it seems that most of the explanation about seems to be similar even when so many Journalists write it in different news papers and TV media.

So please know I did not copy pasted anything but only quoted what I heard and examine about this game and used only the info which is publicly available just to help everyone learn and be safe and help safe lives. I have no time or appetite for marketing for which you allege me in your earlier post today!

I wish you had not jumped to the gun and would have asked me and I would have told you that you were not there on the ground (we were) when these kids presented their ideas in so many presentations for parents and kids that most of us, when we took notes they may come in similar structure as the game has 6 levels and the flow of game is also from level 1 to level 6.

Now anyone who will write about it will say that the game has 6 levels of learning, 6 levels of awesomeness, or 6 cool levels etc. However in another world perhaps someone may write the game has 8 minus 2 = 6 levels of awesomeness. Now that someone may be action like a journalist but frankly everyone will not take his write up as seriously.

Even the video which you see in the articles and on BBC etc is same because the kids when they gave their first interview told all that anyone who wanted to use the videos can use it in any which way they see fit because of the pandemic the kids mother did not allow them to appear too many times on TV etc and as it is they are not about publicity as their purpose was to make a game to help people.

Please note the kids are only 13 and 14 years old! and require their mother permission to move around. Anyways, I hope you see my point and realise that instead of asking to me why my research seems similar to other persons writeup, you jumped to the gun and instead of reviewing the content you ignored the msg and kill the messenger.

I spend hours today to write and upload this info on wikipedia and you termed it as COPY PASTE?

Besides this I have already quoted Technology times as a reference in my article/page for this game! So If I was copy pasting from somewhere do you think I would have given the reference?

Again I guess since you for some strange reason have made up your mind to shot down this good awareness initiative for social good by kids and my humble effort to contribute this info to wikipedia, just because it sounds like coming from developing country! and not as slick or elitist as IB education system (as quoted by me in my earlier message which I am sure will be ignored!

So can you please specify and point out which part makes you say I copy pasted it?

Before you say this, can you claim that you have attended the long presentation by kids and have seen all their videos? So if everyone liked and used the words in which kids explained the game and all kids present there also liked it, I would call it creating effective awareness.

If you still thing some line or sentence or word of it needed to be replaced, please highlight it (instead of allegations) and I will be happy to amend it as per your desire.

Please note that Corona Pandemic is on the rise in many parts of the world and especially in developing countries where governments are not testing people and playing all is well tune!

in this regard and in presence of so much false news, I realised that Wikipedia is best source for everyone to learn and hence my effort to put the game details on it.

Please note that I am saying it from experience and knowledge about this industry and working for social good almost all my life.

Please look at it with empathy, so many people are dying daily and kids and women are at most risk. If you read the gulf news or VoA and other articles you may notice that mostly parent, teachers and kids benefitted a lot from this free game. So please try to help spread the awareness instead of blocking it due to your personal likeness or dislikes!

I hope you will resolve this matter in an amicable way and notice that TECHNOLOGY TIMES is ALREADY appearing as a Reference in my contribution to wikipedia, and complete your review and allow the page to be published.

Looking forward to your prompt and positive response

Many Thanks Editor CW (talk) 21:17, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Instead of jumping to the gun or using assumption that this is marketing not Journalism - Please see the interview of the kids in all news and media I shared as reference in my contribution to wikipedia

Hello, I just noticed this msg from you and responding to it as I overlooked it previously.

Instead of jumping to the gun or using assumption that this is marketing not journalism - Please see the interview of the kids in all news and media I shared as reference in my contribution to wikipedia. You will be surprised to see how well structured these kids were talking in response to anyones questions and like good journalists we all took notes of it. This is why most headlines of News may also sound similar.

Now I am sure a lot of people may not know what is multi-platform game is but since I know, I would like to write it technically as it is called! if you see a washing automatic machine you will write is as an automatic washing machine and not a Machines which washes clothes based on electricity!

So multi-platform is a pretty standard term and anyone who is from tech field or tech journalism knows it well.

Once again you did not attended the live or online presentations and ask questions to the kids directly, most of those who write about it did and used the exact words which came our of the kids mouth! Now they may be sounding like well structured but I think they are just like a briefing by kids who are passionate about technology!

In my statement above there is no assumption as I was myself shocked to see the kids speaking so well and in such a good structure.

Please do see the videos of them in the reference section. I am sure it will help you realise and change your point of view.

Looking forward to your positive response.

Many Thanks Editor CW (talk) 21:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Please reduce your ridiculous rant above to a single short paragraph if you want a reply. Theroadislong (talk) 22:10, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Piramal Realty Wiki Page

Hi, Thanks for reviewing the page submitted for review. I saw your comment on the Piramal realty page and would like to request if you can guide how I can improve the details. Should I update the content or reduce the content? Actually I have submitted the page without making any changes in content whereas the changes were needed to be made at the time of review. So, should I update the content and you can review if that is not smelling like advert.

Looking forward to your reply and help.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanwalhafeez (talk • contribs) 07:02, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Fardad Kaviany article

Hello Theroadislong , I made this page for fardad as he is serial entrepreneur and mire known that many people already here , what’s the situation? As he is CEO of founder @4musictv and also @4fashiontv which is Fashiontv Middle East and North Africa , he is launching Ftalento platform which is the global platform, what’s my mistake that getting rejected by your side ? There is 100s of article about him around media just fir his recent project Parisadam (talk) 17:19, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Re: Draft:Fardad Kaviany Anything from IMDb is not reliable, interviews are not reliable sources, LinkedIn.com is not reliable, blogs are not reliable and press releases are not reliable. Company check is not reliable. I’m not seeing anything else? If there are hundreds of articles about him, you need to add them before submitting for review. Theroadislong (talk) 17:29, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

need your help

Hey, Hope you are fine. sorry i was forgot to mentioned why i removed that content. Can you please help me to publish his Wikipedia page? i drafted it but Wikipedia rejected it. can you guide me what should i do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pear qwerty (talk • contribs) 10:25, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Justine Tung

Hi, I've got EIGHT reliable sources now, come take a look! 82.3.185.12 (talk) 12:17, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid none of them are reliable click on the link to see what constitutes a reliable source. Theroadislong (talk) 12:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
It says google images are reliable, so thats three. Source #1 and #2 are not independent sources. #4 is someone else's recording of her voice and #8 is info from public records. 82.3.185.12 (talk) 12:56, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
But a Google image does NOT contribute to any notability? Theroadislong (talk) 13:04, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
And the others? 82.3.185.12 (talk) 13:11, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
YouTube, Soundcloud, Twitter no they are all primary sources we need secondary sources that cover her in-depth to establish notability, see WP:YFA. Theroadislong (talk) 13:24, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Help with editing page

Hi There.

I interacted with you a few weeks ago regarding the page Hemphill Fine Arts. I was hoping to gain some insight on how to re-make/edit my previous page. I am new to wikipedia and I did not create the page, I was simply updating it. I do not know how to access the page now and appreciate any help you can provide me with.

I look forward to hearing back from you.

All the best,

Artist789 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artist789 (talk • contribs) 20:14, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Artist789 Which page are you trying to edit? You can view your previous edits by clicking on "contributions" on the top bar. If you are talking about Hemphill Fine Arts that article was deleted. Theroadislong (talk) 20:19, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


@Theroadislong Hi. Yes, I am talking about Hemphill Fine Arts. How can I recover this page/begin a new page for this gallery? Thank you in advance for your help!

Artist789 You can see the deletion discussion here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hemphill Fine Arts unless you can find multiple in-depth sources that cover the gallery in significant detail, I fear you will be wasting your time. But using the articles for creation process would be essential. Theroadislong (talk) 20:43, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
The added complication is that you have a clear conflict of interest, I would strongly suggest you tell your employee that it is futile. Theroadislong (talk) 20:46, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Mariano Werner articule

Hello Theroadislong. I must first of all clarify that I do not handle this language very well. I wanted to ask you what is the function of the Under construction template? What should I put in to indicate that I am creating the article and therefore it is not finished?

Within that creation process, references are the last thing I add. Thanks. --Adriel 00 (talk) 20:19, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

References really should be the very first thing you add, I have moved the article to draft space here Draft:Mariano Werner where you can work on it without it being deleted. Theroadislong (talk) 20:24, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
I come from Wikipedia in Spanish. There is the En desarrollo template there which justifies one temporarily not adding the references. I thought the Under construction template was the same.
Well, I added the references. Can you review the draft and turn it into an article? Thank you. However, the Under construction template will remain because that item is not finished. --Adriel 00 (talk) 20:45, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Adriel 00 You need to click the blue button which says "submit for review". I know nothing about motor racingl so would rather not review. Theroadislong (talk) 20:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
I understand that I should have added the references at the beginning, but this article is ready to be published. It meets the relevancy requirements (professional racing driver featured in national championships), the information is neutral, and it is verified against each of the references (which was the initial problem). The article does not need to go through any revision, I know that because I created drivers articles five years ago. With Franco Girolami I did exactly the same, what's more, it took me 10 hours to add the references, and nothing happened.
Information sources: The entire article can be summarized in the information present in the driver's profile in Driver Database (the most used database in motorsport articles on Wikipedia), be it championships wins, final positions in championships, teams, cars, victories, etc. Added to this is non-statistical information that I mention below: "which allowed him to promote to Turismo Carretera" is cited below, "competing with Omar Martínez's team" and "It was he who added the most points in the play-offs but victory was a necessary requirement and then the title went to Agustín Canapino" is cited below and "behind Matías Rossi" is cited below.
For all this, I would really appreciate if you publish the article so that it is not months pending review. Sorry for the inconvenience. --Adriel 00 (talk) 21:52, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Just need to wait for an admin to delete the redirect and then the draft can be moved. Theroadislong (talk) 22:07, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

I guess you are not reading Facts, not interested to write or publish the Story of an Amazing and Important Painting, probably the most important in AMERICA, looks like you guys are just the burned out too much work to care writers, please read it

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