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Link, Hero of Wind 01:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dystopian Fiction

Yes, that sounds like a good idea to me, and I'll probably assist with subcategorizing the articles as well. Beno1000 14:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

===>Oh well I noticed that it was to be done, and took it upon myself to do it. If "Myself, and possibly someone else, will be going over those again eventually, which really just made twice the work for everyone in the end," that's probably the sort of thing you want to mention on the talk page or somesuch, or else I wouldn't have moved them all myself. If you don't fix it, I will. C'est la vie. Same thing is true of the bot - I have no idea if it exists or is doing its job properly. I came, I saw, I recategorized. -Justin (koavf), talk 12:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Band templates

Just wanted to say you've done a great work categorizing these ~~and increasing my workload~~! Circeus 01:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Categorization

If Wikipedia:Categorization guideline is any hint, we want to use only the most specific cat. navigational templates should probably be divided by subject (while a division by type such as footer/series/other) is possible, they would way too big categories. Circeus 12:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Standardization

For the most part, I only merge the discography stuff, clean up some links and implement a standard style and colors (for articles that are not band templates stricto sensu, I use the genric footer style with #ccccff). Your Leeb-Fulber thing looks okay, if a bit big, but I guess that's to be expected in that case... Circeus

Album infobox

I've thought about it, it just seems as if we're getting bogged down trying to think about every possible permutation of artist/type/chronology, etc. Do you think it might be easier to make 'artist' and 'chronology_artist' two independently declarable parameters? And maybe we could provide a means to let users type in for themselves "Soundtrack to the film Wonderwall by George Harrison", or whatever? Flower party? 02:19, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, didn't mean to post this in two places :) Flower party? 03:17, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno where you took this thread to, but since I'm here I'd like to support that idea. Space for example is by Jimmy Cauty aka Space, but it's unlikely that if he releases any more albums they would use that moniker. It would in that instance be preferable to be able to assign the value "Jimmy Cauty" to 'chronology_artist' whilst retaining "Space" as the artist. (Sorry I can't at this ungodly hour think of a better example - i.e. someone who actually has more than 1 album!- but I'm pretty sure there are examples out there :)). --kingboyk 07:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template talk:Album infobox - something of a backwater, alas. It's the same deal with Frank Zappa LPs, some of which are credited as being with the Mothers of Invention, but all of which should have a "Frank Zappa chronology". Flower party☀ 11:48, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What about moving this discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums? Jogers (talk) 12:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cat sorting

I'm not sure I agree with the way you're sorting those Peel recordings. If you look at Category:Peel Sessions recordings it looks like some of the titles have just been assigned a letter at random, since there's nothing to explain that they're sorted by artist. Best to sort by the title of the LP, IMO.

On an unrelated note, I've left another comment at Template talk:Album infobox. Apologies for not replying to your last message there for a couple of days, I needed to think. I hoped someone else might have commented by now - it's frustrating waiting for feedback, no? :) Flower party? 02:19, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Replied

...at User_talk:Kingboyk#Yeah.2C_about_that... no need for a further reply, although of course if you have one it's welcome! --kingboyk 07:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No image history

It's on the Commons. ed g2s • talk 12:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: Erasure singles

GAH! Don't tell me there's a different single infobox template! *sigh* Ah well, I know better - I should have checked before I started all of this. Well, the info is all there, if you're really feeling motivated, feel free to update the infoboxes and add any edits. I'm really just writing very basic stuff so far. Good luck with the older singles search! -- eo 04:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to remember where I got that infobox template... I guess I just swiped it from an article I came across earlier today. And yes, the U.S. tracklistings need to be added... I have a mixture of US/UK singles in my personal collection so once I get all the song articles created I'll go back and tweak stuff. Most of the time the US versions just mash together the same stuff that the UK record companies spread out over multiple discs. -- eo 05:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dark Tower

Good add about the illustrators, thanx. I only have one book the rest I did as audiobook. ;) -- RevRagnarok 13:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The KLF

Hi. We're discussing how to proceed with chronicling The KLF's singles over at Category talk:The KLF, and we would welcome your input. The issues we have are: a) do we document all of the singles, or just the biggest hits and otherwise especially notable songs? b) how will we do the chronology when some of our articles (e.g. What Time Is Love?) cover more than one single, and when some of them don't have articles. User:Vinoir has suggested a new footer template, I've been thinking of substing and hacking the infobox. A third party's contributions would be very helpful. Cheers. --kingboyk 06:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: Singles, the next step

Hi there... not sure what you mean about "completionist" singles. Isn't a single a single? Regarding your Pet Shop Boys plans: besides going through their singles discography in chronological order, what other singles would there be?
FYI: Not sure if you have a copy... or whether it is even valid to use as a source... but the Alternative B-side compilation has a Q&A interview with Tennant and Lowe that gives a lot of insight and background info on all the singles and their B-sides. -- eo 23:31, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK I see what you mean now. I'm wondering, however, if it would make sense to just do a full singles discography set of articles because of the collectibility of PSB in particular. I'm thinking this also based on this text from their main article:

The vast array of Pet Shop Boys remixes have made them one of the most collectible bands in the world. Collectors relish the assortment of triple-vinyl limited editions, unique artwork sleeves, and multiple compact disc singles...

PSB seem to fall into that singles-completist category with artists like Depeche Mode, Erasure, Bjork, New Order, Smiths, etc., etc. What do you think? -- eo 13:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Those album infobox TfDs

It may be a good idea to convert the articles using the templates before we list them for deletion. I'll do it soon.

I fixed the problem on my talk page by making the artist parameter optional. Thanks for pointing this out. Jogers (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would just convert the articles using the obsolete Template:Kalnoky album infobox and then redirect it to the Template:Album infobox. This is what I did about Template:Various artists album infobox. The templates we are talking about are obviously redundant and are not widely used so I wouldn't worry too much about procedures.

We could still use Category:Various artists albums without the template but personally I don't find it very useful. Jogers (talk) 16:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Various artist albums

Just because they can't be found in albums by artist categories like other albums. --Easyas12c 07:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Song infobox

So I admit I kind of lost interest in this infobox for a while, but I'm thinking it's still worth implementing, at least for songs that aren't singles. Do you have any specific objection to this moving into the template namespace? If not, I'd welcome any further feedback you might have, particularly with respect to anything that might be difficult to fix once the template is in use in articles. Flower party☀ 19:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

template cats

Your system looks good, though I'd probably have used a little less categories (categories with less than 20 or so elements are practically useless). You might want to group the countr navigational boxes under a "navigational boxes by region" cat, which can receive supra-national stuff. Note that templates like {{Italianmusic}} already have a specific: they are called Musicboxes.

It's generally more practical to split a category that is too large than tostart by ategorizing into small units. 23:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, if I categorized these, I would use "musicboxes" for the country-specific ones (in adition to the appropriate country cat)
Right now, I'd leave the country-based cats where they are, if only to avoid moving them too far back in the category three, as they are relatively recent creations. You can always put them both in the continent and region cat. (a are case of exception for me, as I usually spendmy time removing such cases lol)
As I said above, I'd sort em in the broader cat for now and then see whether a split of some sortis appropriate. Templates can be much harder to sort sensibly, as there are so many different types. I ended up removing quite a few infoboxes from the country-based nav. templates. Circeus 15:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Album infobox advanced usage documentation at WikiProject Albums

How do you like an idea of splitting the advanced usage information into a seperate section like this? Jogers (talk) 11:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if it really has to be maintained independently at all. Maybe linking to WikiProject Albums for usage instructions would be a better solution. Jogers (talk) 16:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

American dance acts

It's straightforwardly a speedy-renaming case, as it's wrongly capitalised. The only reason that I didn't just do it myself is that I ddin't want to to take on a very big job only to have it renamed again. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

IFD noms (of images relating to Stoned in Love)

Hi there! I am notifying you that I was unable to process the nominations you gave regarding the music video images on Stoned in Love. Had you notified the uploader per WP:IFD policy, I would have been able to delete the images. In the future, when nominating an image for deletion, the user must be notified (and it would also help if you also added {{ifdc}} to the caption of each image listed on IFD, should they be used in an article.

Now, OTOH, some of the images you did tag are speedies as they don't list source or copyright information, so they could have been tagged {{nsd}} or {{nld}}. I've already tagged those images, so that they don't need to be relisted at IFD, but can be speedied once the images have been tagged as such for more than 7 days. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud} 03:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re:Usage of quotation marks in song titles of remixes

Hi there. I can't think of a more concrete reason for not including remix desciptions inside the quotation marks other than the title of a remix simply is not part of a song title. When a songwriter copyrights his/her composition, s/he doesn't have to submit a new copyright for each mix of the song, i.e. "Song X (Remix A)" and "Song X (Remix B)", etc. The copyright would cover all mixes of "Song X" so long as the basic melody and/or lyrics remain in tact. At least that's how I see it. -- eo 05:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and to add to the argument - a remixer doesn't receive royalties for a song's sales and/or performances in the same manner as the song's composer. Remixers usually receive a one-time fee for taking already-copyrighted material and presenting it in a alternate version. -- eo 05:20, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Navigation Box Categorization: User:CapitalR/Uncategorized navigational boxes

Hi Unint, I know you do a lot of navigation box work, so you might find this list I'm putting together interesting: User:CapitalR/Uncategorized navigational boxes. It's a work in progress, but it aims to find every single navigation box in English Wikipedia so they can be categorized and possibly standardized. I'm going to spend most of my time over the next few weeks working through the 40,000 templates finding all of the navigation boxes (with the help of a few bots), but feel free to distribute this page to anyone you know who might want to help start sorting, categorizing, and converting some to the NavigationBox form. --CapitalR 17:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

One other question: when you go through and categorize large numbers of templates, do you do this by hand or with an automated tool? I use the AutoWikiBrowser sometimes, but I was wondering if there is another one out there. Thanks, --CapitalR 17:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nice Job!

Nice work creating Go West (song). I've added images to the infoboxes but wanted to give you props for creating it and removing it from the notable song list. --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 14:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Music Genres

Thank you for removing that text from the Music genre article. It previously looked as it had been written by a 14 years old girl; why? the word pigeonhole, for example, none else would ever use it in this context. Or am I wrong? I regret I can't contribute on this topics for now, becouse some idiots around here are ready to insult me in any possible way, and I am tired of all this, I am no longer very enthusiastic about wikipedia. regards. Brian W 01:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Go West (song)

But this is something so familiar it doesn't need a citation, it is like asking for a citation that God Save The Queen is played before football matches involving England. Jooler 21:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually on TV I've heard it being played on the public address systems at the Stadiums during the half-time and at the end of the matches of the World Cup that is on at the moment. Jooler 22:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: Hot 100 succession boxes

Hey, thanks! Glad someone appreciates them. It's something I've wanted to do for a long time and I was motivated to begin because I saw that someone started them for UK number-ones. I'm working backwards and I'm up to 1974 right now, but of course this is not counting all the number-one songs that don't have articles yet... plus it gives me a chance to clean up all of them as I go thru. Still lots of work to be done! btw, keep up the good work yourself... especially on the PSB stuff! -- eo 22:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually that category had quite a number of entries before I started the succession box thing. There is another editor who seems to have gotten wind of what Im doing and is a couple steps ahead of me, creating a whole bunch of those one-and-two-line stubs. It doesn't bother me - once I'm done with the succession boxes and all the wikilinks are correct I want to expand most or all of them. Adding them to the category now rather than later is just one less thing that will have to be done once the boxes are completed. -- eo 23:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FLA albums

Thanks for the tidy on the FLA albums including Artificial Soldier. I was copying and pasting an older copy of the template from another album, and thought that the orange was merely a suggestion, and seemed somehow wrong for an Industrial band. -- Xinit 04:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Imagewatermark template for Commons images

Hi, Unint. Thanks for making the {{imagewatermark}} template. I've tagged several images with it. Do you know if there is a corresponding template for use on images that are on the Wikimedia Commons? —Bkell (talk) 03:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Infobox Single formatting

Oops! Sorry, I was intending to mention it in my edit summary and explain on the talk page but I forgot. I thought that it was a bit silly boldfacing the song's title because the reader would already know that the middle song in the chronology was the song that the article was about. Anyway, I'll undo it, and then leave a message on the talk page in a while, because it's not urgent (the boldfacing is barely visible at the current font size). Thanks for noticing. Extraordinary Machine 22:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox help

Hey, when you get a moment can you take a look at Love Is a Stranger? The song was re-released twice and I thought I added the "extra chronology" info correctly but I can't get it to appear when I save the page. Apparently I'm doing something wrong. Please and thank you! -- eo 15:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I figured out what I was doing incorrectly. Actually it wasn't me - it was all the infobox's fault. I am so fucking smart. Are you completely amazed? Thanks anyway :-) -- eo 13:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Posteriori

Hey, I just wanted to let you know what a good work you did on the new Enigma album article! You got to it just before me! :P --Andylkl ^{[ talk! | c ]} 10:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WPWikiProject Musicians

Wikipedia is in sore need of a policy on for musician pages, and you have been active in this area before. Therefore, please provide your comments and opinions on the policies there. Thanks in advance!--Esprit15d 19:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Need your help...

Here :

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs#What to do when...

Thanks in advance. — Prodigenous Zee - 01:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Olives and Units

Sorry about that; I was really busy with off-WP stuff. The previous article on Trickle was completely unrelated to Olive (band); it was a punk group from Texas or something.

You're doing just fine, but thank you for letting me know. DS 23:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

...d'oh! You're completely right, that's exactly what happened. Srsiesta blanked the article and replaced the text with his own material, and I didn't notice that. I'm sorry. DS 13:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: DJ Varit, and an idea

Thanks for letting me know about DJ Varit. I'll keep an eye on both him and Varitphenpimol.

You mean that inserting data into a sample template doesn't change the template itself? Isn't it self explanatory? Sorry for replying late, I've been away. Jogers (talk) 09:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if that was the case here neither but please go ahead and add any message you find appropriate. Consider adding the link to Wikipedia:Template namespace to provide inexperienced editors with basic information about templates. Jogers (talk) 09:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Olive

Wow! A lot of work has been put into the article sinmce I last had a look at it. And yes, I put a watch on it after I created the article to track its edits (there are a few of my articles that have that watch on them; Virtual band is the most notable of them). I didn't actualy realise just how much effort has been put into it since its creation. Thankyou so much for doing that.

On the subject of images, however, I'm not too sure as to where to find a picture of the original lineup. My best bet would be Always On The Run; they have a mini gallery of the artists mixed in with the lyrics. (This was where I found the image for Ruby.) Olive should be listed there somwhere. --JB Adder | Talk 23:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KLF FA nominations

Hi there. Since you've taken the time and trouble to support my FA nomination for The KLF's ***K the Millennium, I'd like to ask your advice about which - if any - of the following articles I should nominate for FA next. If on the other hand you think none of them are up to par, please say so!

1987 (What the Fuck Is Going On?) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (GA, PR)
All You Need Is Love (The JAMs song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (GA)
Whitney Joins The JAMs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (GA)

Since my cohort Vinoir is on an indefinite wikibreak, I'm just looking for a little guidance as of course to me all 3 are great! ;) Please reply on my talk page or at WP:KLF. Thanks! --kingboyk 09:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KLF - convert to Infobox Single

ooh... thanks for that! very nice! --kingboyk 07:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pet Shop Boys singles

Hi, thanks for the extensive rewrite of It's a Sin. I've done one for Heart if you'd like to have a look at and add to/correct. Yorkshiresky 19:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Other uses template

Just noticing the addition of the Other Uses template to Laurie Anderson, I'm curious as to the point of adding the template since the wording ends up being identical to what was there before anyway. I've been noticing this template turning up on other articles and it seems to be kinda pointless. 23skidoo 20:08, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. I guess what struck me as odd was I wrote the original dab statement having never seen the OtherUses template -- I guess great minds do think alike! ;) 23skidoo 01:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tiesto infobox

Thanks for helping with changing the infobox. I was debating on changing it to how you did it, but you went ahead and did it and it looks good. Thanks for the help! I am trying on working on this whole project of adding Tiesto's discography to Wikipedia, so any help with minor edits like you did helps! Thanks. --DJREJECTED 09:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Opportunities

The lyrics section does interpret things. The song doesn't have an explicit narrative the way, say, Sk8er Boi does, so it's wrong to ascribe one to it - the idea that it's a man propositioning someone else is strongly alluded to, but never actually confirmed. It would be fine to say "In the song, Tennant makes a series of claims, as if propositioning someone", because that is self-evident, but anything beyond that is crossing the line.

The other parts are in journalese. It tried very hard to tell a story, like a magazine article on the song might, when really all it should be doing is stating a series of facts. For example the main lyrical concept came when, in the studio, Chris Lowe asked Neil Tennant to make up a lyric based around the line "Let's make lots of money". Firstly, this isn't ascribed to any particular witness. Even if it was sourced, you can't just declare something that happened presumably in private between two people as fact. Secondly "in the studio" is a very wishy-washy cliche - "while recording" or "while working" or even "in a studio" might be less pretty, but define solid events. I could go on. --88.111.41.106 20:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd Do Anything for Love (but I Won't Do That)

Thanks very much for tidying up. Also, for adding the description of the single cover -- I never knew that! The JPS^{talk to me} 02:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Mono split

I split off the album and tour articles because they had become too detailed to be in the band article. What is too detailed? The presence of album and tour infoboxes, a track listing for the album, and a dates listing for the tour. Even if you don't have anything more to add to the album article, it has enough to stand on its own. I understand your concern about the tour article being thin and perhaps not even having the correct name, let others add to it and/or correct it as they encounter it - that's the power of Wikipedia. Wasted Time R 03:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Meat Loaf

Hi, Unint. How pronounce last two letters (AY) in the reality family name "Aday" in singer Meat Loaf. Like second and third letter in word "Day" or like second letter in word "Pit". I'm Прон from Bulgarian Wikipedia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.126.108.238 (talk • contribs) 13:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Category:Inactive musical groups

In the future, if you want to suggest deleting a category because it's been previously deleted, you can tag it with {{db-repost}} instead of listing it on CFD. Mairi 02:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Roger Manning

I guess my edit summary was a bit authoritarian, but it was really just a judgment call rather than any hard-and-fast ruling and I don't have anything against putting both lines there. The thing is that there are only two blue links at Roger Manning (disambiguation) and one red link (with little explanation), so don't the specific link and the disambiguation link amount to the same thing? (Or do people tend to confuse the keyboardist and the anti-folk musician often?) –Unint 01:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another editor has reduced Roger Manning (disambiguation) to the point where it is scarcely needed. There has been some confusion here about the two men. The keyboardist is also more and more often billed as simply "Roger Manning"--early in his career he may have used the longer name to distinguish himself from the once popular, but now inactive anti-folkie (just a guess). Also, both artists have had some association with Beck. For a some time we had one page that mixed-up facts about the two. If anything I'd drop the link to the generic dab page. -MrFizyx 01:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the sources

Thanks for posting some sources on Milton Preves, I will certainly look into reading up on them! Compuguy1088 15:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cymbal manufacturers advocacy

Thanks for the advice. SilkTork 00:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Commons Picture of the Year ID

I am the same user as commons:User:Unint. –Unint 00:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 Thanks for the advice. [[User:SilkTork|SilkTork]] 00:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
+== Commons Picture of the Year ID ==
+I am the same user as [[:commons:User:Unint]]. –[[User:Unint|Unint]] 00:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)