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Archive1: User talk:UtherSRG/Arch1


Re: your recent post: 'Vim' is given a date of 1843 and related to the accusative of vis 'strength'. I see this in the On-Line Etymological Dictionary --Not 100% convinced myself... Wetman 13:13, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Ships of the US Navy

Your valiant efforts to make links for hulls from List of ships of the United States Navy are appreciated, but if you're finding it tiresome, I'll go ahead and add the rest of them using software tool trickery in a couple days. (That's how I created all those specific-type lists - too much work otherwise!) Haven't done it up to now because I was waffling about whether to do that after adding destroyers and subs, but then the list would be huge and require a split, which is harder when the db is crawling on hands and knees like it is right now. Stan

Great work on the ships! Ready for an encore with destroyers and subs? :-) I have one observation BTW; there's little point in making links to 1-sentence "permanent stubs" for hulls never completed; I've gone to leaving them inline and redirecting hull numbers there, since there is no additional information available. (The links in USS Vallejo are now circular redirs.) Stan 06:02, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)


I do not know if you are watching Brianism Talk, but it is fair that you should see this: An Open Letter from Rex Mundi, co-founder of Brianism. In view of this, I have changed my vote to Delete. Link has apparently been "e-mailed to participants in the discussion", but not posted on WP by the writer - which is why I am doing it. I also do not see how the writer would have all the e-mail addresses involved. Kind regards, Anjouli 13:56, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Brianism is here!

Lockheed Martin

Hi, interesting to see that you work for Lockheed Martin as a Software Engineer. Since I am studying Computer Science, I have profound interest to learn what is needed to work for a company like L.M. and what they ask for in order to hire a new software engineer. Do you think a 3-year british Bachelor is enough? Thanks. btw I answered to your question on my talk page. Optim 19:27, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hi again. I plan to work either in UK, USA or Canada. May I ask whether previous relevant work experience is required by similar companies? and what is needed, in general, for the US security clearance? Thank you. Optim 05:10, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC) (talk)

If you are being hired right out of school, you shouldn't need experience. I didn't. I don't know what all has changed for getting a clearance. I got mine in the pre-9/11 days, but I know it is more difficult. - UtherSRG 05:17, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your answers! Optim 05:24, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Your WikiCookies!

Congratulations! :) Optim 19:44, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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You got another answer at my talk page :-) andy

"as of 2003"

Dunno if you're aware of it, but in articles like USS Antietam we use as of 2003 and friends to find statements whose truth may change from year to year. So at some point during 2004 or later, people can look here to see if they're still true, and either update to say "as of <year>", or else edit to describe the change that happened in 2003. Stan 21:53, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)


Wow! You are doing an amazing job welcoming newcomers. Nearly every one I see has been greeted by you. You might be interested in helping to develop the Wikipedia:Welcoming committee. Keep up the great work. :) Angela. 18:19, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)

Battery links

Thanks for finishing off the redirecting of links to Battery following my disamb of it. That was for me a long process about to pass the two-month mark, not only for lack of a bot, but bcz i ended up editing a lot of the pages linked to it for other changes besides the link.

My own summary for the electrical-minded redirects (most of them, as you'll have observed), is on reflection still IMO a little sparse:

relink to Battery (electricity) per disamb move

I settled on it before i had the sense to put it where i could paste it in; i should have updated it once terseness no longer saved me time:

relink to Battery (electricity), to short-circuit links via Battery, following a move that makes Battery a disambiguation page

I mention this to get your reaction: in my mind, the disamb is just

the renaming,
the moving of any disamb language in the old main-article disamb (if any) to the disamb page, and
creating broken links or stubs where additional articles can be foreseen.

Yes, the link changes should go with that, but they are not part of it -- especially since link changes are called for following changes of name not occasioned by disamb.
Am i being offensively prissy making the distinction? --Jerzy 01:30, 2004 Jan 18 (UTC)

Tnx, and nah, i'm probably just overcautious with strangers. [smile] --Jerzy 04:59, 2004 Jan 19 (UTC)

voting and puppets of various kinds

Hi. Angela pointed me to the previous talk about Lizard_King on User talk:Tim Starling. It seems that LK and scifiterx do not access wikipedia from the same ISP. That would make him slightly more cunning/determined than the usual trolls that target wikipedia. But there's still is no doubt in my mind, as you said, that scifiterx could well be a friend of LK's or that LK simply has access to two different ISPs. --snoyes 02:56, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Oh, and also: It is a good idea, if you start a vote, to restrict it to users who have been active for a little while and have a couple of edits, as was done on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Peerage. --snoyes 02:58, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Yeah, I wish Tannin had restricted voting. I hadn't started the voting. What can be done about Lizard King? I'm getting ready to start the Arbitration process since he seems unwilling to be a productive Wikipedian, and I can not stand idly by while he makes terrible edits to articles. - UtherSRG 03:01, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
To be honest I don't really know what the answer to your question is. I am in a similar situation: I've asked for someone to be banned or at least given a final warning, because they have made dozens of hateful personal attacks. But the answer was that at the moment, unless something really serious happens, nothing will really be done, as the mediation and arbitration committee thingies aren't set up yet. I also haven't gotten an answer as to when they will be set up. At the moment wikipedia is rather vulnerable to trolls such as LK. All I can suggest is to perhaps suggest that because there was no clear winner in the vote, the decision will be delayed. And then in a week or so hold another one where one has to have been at the site for at least two weeks and made eg. 50 non-minor edits. --snoyes 03:17, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
grumbles One shouldn't stop an older system until the newer system is ready to be launced..... How about Angela? Can you have her stomp on him for me? *grins* - UtherSRG 03:22, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
As much I would like to get rid of obvious trolls like LK in a rather expedient manner, we do have to keep a balance between dealing efficiently with trolls and having a clique that can expell users with impunity. --snoyes 03:28, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Yeah... but the developers should be doing just that until arbitration and mediation are set up. Part of the job, whether they like it or not, to keeping a system up and running is dealing with trolls and ingrates, or setting up systems to deal with them. - UtherSRG 03:32, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
No problem. It does add a nice "human touch" to a project where a lot of fighting and animosity occur. --snoyes 03:29, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Yup. :) UtherSRG 03:32, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I decided to bail on the whole Lizard King (talk) debate. Life's too short. :-) I will of course keep an eye out for him and his possible-alter-egos on the pages I follow. I'm still waiting for one of them to yet again revert my changes to Strength level (comics). -mhr 05:36, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

That's quite ok. You added a nice level of calmness to the discussion, until this evenings round or tirades started again, filled with the typical degree of dishonesty or ignorance or some mixture of both. I have no doubt that the lot of them will eventually get banned, and we'll have our work cut out for us, undoing the damage. - UtherSRG 05:41, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)


Yes brother. Happy to have a look and give you my input. Not right now because they are taking me to hospital for a regular check-up.

By the way, I'm thinking all Brianists on Wiki (and other places) should put a circumpunct on their user pages and put a small one (⊙) next to their sigs, maybe with a link to Brianism? Don't see anybody would object to that and it would spread the word. Anybody reply to you yet? SpellBott 07:37, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Just working on my first coffee of the morning, so I was sure Cow nose rays would be a "delete on sight" article...heh. :)

That said, I need to leave in about half an hour and won't be back for most of the day. But I'll take a look at Talk:Yeti when I get back. (I've seen this mentioned elsewhere.) - Hephaestos 14:47, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Ah yes, and now I see where it was mentioned. I blocked the User:The Agent account on the 12th for being created with no other intent than vandalism; as you can see in the contributions it was all done with regard to that article. I think I should recuse myself from voting on the issue on that basis, but I encourage you to bring this fact up in the debate if you think it's appropriate. - Hephaestos 15:06, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Ah nice. Thanks. - UtherSRG 15:49, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite to the Talk:Yeti page, but I'd rather stay out of it, for now at least. It looks like an absolute troll fest! :) By the way, do you really think it is appropriate to go scattering the ⊙ symbol everywhere? Some poeple might find it offensive. Angela. 21:06, Jan 20, 2004 (UTC)

Moved back

Okay, I moved it back to its original location. I even messed up in the process too :-) --Jiang

Batteries dispute

Yr attention to my recent revert (or, if my revert is countered, to the changes made by the next version would be welcome. Obviously the content of Baghdad Battery will also be relevant.

I'm not sure my wording

any such knowledge was a "dead end" in the history of electricity

is perfect, but IMO the dumping back in of this irrelevant material is not the context to work that out in. (However, if you have the interest in the article, improving that and/or things like the nonsense abt being called batteries because they beat you up could IMO only improve things.

I'm hoping to find at least one editor who'd keep me from being the only one reverting this. I've had little occasion to strike up relationships here, and knowing from you of others who'd likely consider standing up for the revert would be a help, if that seems appropriate to you. ---Jerzy 04:53, 2004 Jan 21 (UTC)

Looks good, but i think it would be good to have the dates in the two articles coincide... so change the date in Battery_(electricity) to match the range give in Baghdad Battery. Perhaps this as a replacement for your "dead end":

"Such ancient knowledge of electricity bears no known continous relationship to the development of modern batteries. It's form, though, is nearly identical to the principles that are in use today."

I'd love a sidenote between those two sentences, something about how the device wasn't used for the electromotive force, but rather for the useful although very ancillary effects it had. I dunno. - UtherSRG 05:11, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

All of this is helpful, tnx!
BTW, yr reference it Charge reminded me what i learned here at WP: did yr E&M prof point out to you that "the quantity of electricity is the quantity of charge", or was your education as deficient as mine? [wink] --Jerzy 05:27, 2004 Jan 21 (UTC)


Yes, I'm an RC junky. ;-) Check your email. --snoyes 05:01, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Funny, I was just adding it when I saw your comment. :). I think we need to start Wikipedia:Wikiholics anonymous. --snoyes 05:24, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Yes! Definitely! Um... but not tonight. :) Email coming to ya... a quick silly. - UtherSRG 05:30, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Hehe. The quote did not come out of a vacuum. I sent an email to the wikipedia-english mailing list reiterating my call for the ban of a specific user. ? (With said quote - naturally) ;-)--snoyes 05:38, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)


Sorry, can't do internal links, must learn. Look at School Projects and the following item. Bmills 13:52, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, that's really quite a cool thing to be able to do. Bmills 13:57, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)


Sorry, that one doesn't exist, you have to copy the boilerplate from Wikipedia:Possible copyright infringements. It would be possible if the msg's would have a parameter expansion, as you have to fit in the URL you think it was copied from, as well as the article name for link to the talk page. andy 14:49, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I caught it just after I submitted it and searched out the boilerplate. I'd really like a menu bar with boilerplates on them. *grins* - UtherSRG 14:56, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder, Uther. The edit histories of the sock puppets make for interesting reading, as you have no doubt seen for yourself. Tannin