User talk:Wiking

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Welcome[edit]

Welcome!

Hello, Wiking, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! PDCook (talk) 00:16, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Stubs & other format issues[edit]

Please don't add stub templates to larger articles as you dud in OZET, see Wikipedia:Stub for basic rules. - Altenmann >t 22:39, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Please put interwiki links below everything. - Altenmann >t 02:23, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Alexăndreni[edit]

Are you sure about the rightness of the disamb template in that page? I'm not Fale (talk) 09:32, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Got it, thanks! geodis removed. --Wiking (talk) 16:53, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of airlines of New Brunswick[edit]

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Meir Kahane[edit]

Either you are ignoring facts or you are a hard core Zionist, or both. In both cases, you are clearly biased. The movement Kahane has founded (Kach)is considered a terrorist organization by the US and by ISRAEL itself. He is considered a terrorist because he was promoting hate and violence speech and urging to kill or transfer Arabs. I hope you read a little bit before editing and commenting here. عمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 14:19, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, actually I did not attack you, unless you consider Zionist as an insult. I don't understand why you keep threatening me, when you are not even an administrator. عمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 18:40, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, it seems I will not convince you and you will not convince me, and your vandalism accusations against me were overruled. Let's agree on some common ground. The guy and his groups were outlawed by US and Israeli authorities, and this is what other people here think too (e.g. User Sol). In addition, I don't understand why you keep the category "Islamist terrorism in the US" in this article, as nobody was convicted in his assassination, and the only suspect was not connected to al-Qaeda or anything like that (personal motives may be). عمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 21:40, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

October 2010[edit]

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You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring, as you did at Meir Kahane. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|Your reason here}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Magog the Ogre (talk) 22:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
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Request reason:

Reverting obvious vandalism is NOT WP:EW. Revision history of Meir Kahane shows that I provided reasons for all reverts and requested DISCUSSION prior to further editing many times. Editor, in fact, has been warned. This diff shows that another long-time editor, whose views are opposite to mine, also believes that I was reverting obvious vandalism.

Decline reason:

Sorry, that was not vandalism; that was a content dispute. (I don't really see how you can characterize that diff from the talk page as being from a "long-time editor"; he's been editing here about ten weeks.) --jpgordon::==( o ) 22:33, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

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Jpgordon, I confused Sol Goldstone with another long-time editor, my mistake. However, how is mass-replacing "Islamic terrorism" with "Zionist terrorism" in categories content dispute rather than vandalism?? --Wiking (talk) 22:53, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

For the record, I was the one putting down a block. Two things: 1) although I don't usually take into account the content of the edits, I did this time. The subject did in fact participate in some rather bloody groups, and a good faith editor could easily come to the conclusion he was a terrorist (I hold no such judgment either way myself). What does an orthodox Jewish man have to do with Islamic terrorism? With all due respect, it would seem he had as much to do with Jewish terrorism as the Islamic terrorism he was fighting. Although again, I am neutral on the content. Secondly, because it was not obvious vandalism, it doesn't qualify for 3RR avoidance (seriously, as a patrolling admin on WP:AN3, do you know how often I see this per day? And every time I've seen it, it's been a poor argument Please read WP:NOTVAND. I'm going to start an essay on this soon too). In fact I feel bad blocking you, but given that this could go either way, your reversion was not appropriate. That's why I blocked you, and I would hope you understand. In fact, given the likelihood of sockpuppetry, I feel bad about this, but sometimes I guess we all have to learn the hard way that edit warring unless it's really obvious vandalism (e.g., "penis" vandalism) will get a block. Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:35, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
I will shorten or remove your block if you promise not to revert that page any time until the original 24 hour block is lifted (18:01, 15 October UTC), unfair (to either side) as it may sound, mostly because I don't think it's fair that the other editor(s) can get away with disruption just because they were never formally warned, whereas you can't. That would leave you free to discuss on the talk page and request further comment. Would you agree to that? (note to other admins: feel free to perform the unblock yourself in this circumstance should I disappear for several hours) Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:42, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
As it happens, I am a subject matter expert and vandalism in this case was very obvious to me. Note that Kach was designated a terrorist organization years after Kahane's assassination based on events also took place later; same with JDL (which has very little to do with the original JDL, headed by Kahane from 1968 to mid-70's); Kahane Chai didn't even exist in his life time (it means, "Kahane lives on"). Kach and Kahane Chai were banned for expressing support for terror, not even for actual involvement in terror. Meir Kahane is an article about a person, not about future designation of organizations that he may or may not have founded. Certainly this info does not belong in the intro. As it is, the article is extremely biased. Connection to Islamic terrorism, on the other hand, is clear: Kahane's assassination by an Islamic terrorist naturally places it in all relevant categories. His assassination specifically by an Islamic terrorist (not just a terrorist, not just a Muslim, but a member of an Islamic terrorist organization) is well sourced.
The article is not abandoned - there are frequent edits and ongoing discussion. Its categorization was stable and reflects concensus. Changing it at the very least requires discussion. That's why the other editor whom I mentioned (and whose views are, most likely, opposite of mine) also felt that I was reverting vandalism.
Having said all this, I do accept your offer. I do not feel that blocking me was fair, but what do I have to lose... --Wiking (talk) 02:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

OK I've unblocked you. I'm sorry, I think this is a content dispute. Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Jewish history[edit]

Hi Wiking: Thank you for your contributions. You recently created a number of categories relating to Jewish history that all had a similar minor spelling problem, a "H" instead of "h" for "Category:Jewish ____ history". I have nominated them for speedy changes at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming here with the request that: "The following new categories in Category:Jewish history by country need to be changed from "History" to "history" per - C2A (C2A = Renaming or merging. Typographic and spelling fixes. Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes.):

  1. Category:Jewish Afghani History to Category:Jewish Afghani history - C2A
  2. Category:Jewish Azerbaijani History to Category:Jewish Azerbaijani history - C2A
  3. Category:Jewish Dominican History to Category:Jewish Dominican history - C2A
  4. Category:Jewish Kazakh History to Category:Jewish Kazakh history - C2A
  5. Category:Jewish Maltese History to Category:Jewish Maltese history - C2A
  6. Category:Jewish Moldovan History to Category:Jewish Moldovan history - C2A"

Keep up your good work but please be more careful about following previous spelling conventions especially when creating categories because it's a hassle to get them fixed. Thank you very much! IZAK (talk) 06:40, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Hate groups[edit]

Hi! You're getting this message because at the deletion discussion for "cat:organizations designated as hate groups," you expressed support or interest in a list. I have the beginning of such a list here, and I welcome your contributions. Specific things that need work: is the list comprehensive, including all groups that have Wikipedia articles? Should we include the designating organizations' reasoning? Are there other institutions that designate hate groups whose designations should be added? Can someone help with the nitty-gritty work of referencing? Roscelese (talkcontribs) 20:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Category:National liberation movements[edit]

Why are you pruning Jewish and Zionist groups from this category? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:58, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

For two different reasons. Zionism is an ideology, not a group. Specific groups (movements) are in the appropriate category; Zionism and the like should not be. Holocaust-era resistance groups simply are not National liberation movements by definition. --Wiking (talk) 16:46, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Moshe Friedman[edit]

Self-proclaimed Rabbi who visited Iran, Denies the Holocaust, helps Hamas. Can you help with edits on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_friedman Tellyuer1 (talk) 18:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

1RR violation[edit]

Your reverts are violations of WP:1RR. If you don't undo them, you'll end up at WP:AE. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:57, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

AE report: [1]. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:44, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Ackerman / Acraman[edit]

The two names are related. I didn't make it up. Here's a reference http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/34263260?selectedversion=NBD22295974

  • This source does not offer any reasoning behind this grouping, but it appears to be based on them having the same soundex or similar criteria, which does not mean that these names are related. --Wiking (talk) 00:54, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Talkpage[edit]

I saw your revert(s) at Cave of the Patriarchs massacre. Regarding the last one, I'd recommend you to post on the talkpage as well, so that there can be no doubt why you undid that edit, and that there is a majority in favor of the undo. Debresser (talk) 15:06, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

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Category:Jewish agricultural colonies in the Russian Empire has been nominated for discussion[edit]

Category:Jewish agricultural colonies in the Russian Empire, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Stub[edit]

About this diff [2], it's pretty much irrelevant whether it's a stub or not. Like everything else, categorization must be based on reliable sourcing, and there is no source mentioned here as the topic hasn't even been addressed in the article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Please see History of the Jews in Bessarabia#Rural colonies. Sure, Șipca, Șoldănești is lacking both details and sources. It does not make the categorization inaccurate though. Now, a broader question: do you think I should go ahead and add this information to a stub that consists of one line? Now these are small towns with thousands of residents, none of them Jewish and most unaware of the Jewish past of their homes. Shouldn't I wait until there is at least a paragraph about their current state of affairs as well as any notable events that took place between WWI and now? I am asking this because I've categorized another 30 or so former Jewish agricultural colonies in other governorates (in present day Ukraine) in Russian Wikipedia, with no corresponding articles in English at all. I could create them as similar stubs - just one line of the form X is a village in district Y, followed by the information about their past as Jewish agricultural colonies in the 19th century, or just add them to a category and add the information about their past to Jewish agricultural colonies in the Russian Empire for now? They were depopulated of Jews during WWI though. I don't know (nor do I care to research) much about the past 100+ years. --Wiking (talk) 15:48, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Ulaniv/Ulanów[edit]

Regarding your recent edits, from the context of the source it is clear that Ulaniv in Ukraine (see Wikidata:Q335665) is intended, not Ulanów in modern Poland. Hence, please revert. As for the Yiddish transcription, I transcribed the Hebrew/Yiddish form I found in the sources (אולאנוב‎, or the like). Thank you, הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 03:44, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

  • Thanks, reverted and for now Ulaniv redirects to Ulanov. Will either translate the article from Russian or (for now) just mention it in the disambiguation page. --Wiking (talk) 17:29, 29 March 2017 (UTC)