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November 2[edit]

ref tags error[edit]

I was editing Smoking and Health: Report of the Advisory Committee to the Surgeon General of the United States, and when I moved a citation around, another one that I didn't touch threw up a "no closing </ref> tag" error. I triple checked it and can't find any reason it should be doing this. The citation is syntaxed properly. The one I did move has given me no problems. Somedaypilot (talk) 00:52, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found it and fixed it. Somedaypilot (talk) 01:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

How to recover an account without the password?[edit]

I signed up for wikipedia years ago as Joel_Parker_Henderson with an email address that no longer works. How can I recover the account, for example get a new password and/or get an admin to update my email address? My email address is <removed> (Thank you!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.17.119.78 (talk) 02:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the only way to have your password reset is to use the same e-mail address that was set in its preferences; otherwise, we have no way to confirm that you are who you say you are. You should probably create a new account. Also, your e-mail address has been removed. -- Bk314159 (Talk to me and find out what I've done) 02:34, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Strange glitch has been bothering me lately.[edit]

The standard toolbar (The one that goes Bold, Italic to <ref /ref>, {{ Cite }}) occasionally loses all the buttons to the right of Horizontal line, and I need to refresh the edit page to get them back.--occono (talk) 02:56, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Please report this at WP:VPT. mⓞnⓞ 03:07, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Will do, thanks. Sorry I keep coming here, it's a bad habit more then unawareness :( --occono (talk) 03:26, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Can I get a Wikipedia administrator to write an article about my professional gaming organization www.highrolleragaming.com[edit]

<lengthy advertisement redacted> Thats some info about us —Preceding unsigned comment added by HighRollersGaming (talkcontribs) 03:31, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

This username has been blocked. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:44, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes you can; the place to make the request is Wikipedia:Requested articles. You will have to do this either anonymously or after registering a new account, however, as your current user name has been blocked as a violation of the user name policy. Note that some of the URLs you posted have been truncated with "...", so please make sure you post the full URLs when adding your request. The volunteers at "Requested articles" will use these URLs to determine if your business is notable enough for a Wikipedia article to be written. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:48, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought there were signs of notability there -- John of Reading (talk) 13:50, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Creating a wiki page[edit]

How can I submit to create a page for Joey Medina " latin kings of comedy" On top of all his success hbo showtime appearances he has recently obtained a syndicated fm show . www.joeymedinamorningshow.com www.963maxfm.com www.989maxfm.com www.1051maxfm.com

I can be contacted at <private contact information removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Runeria (talkcontribs) 03:43, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.
Thank you.
Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.
Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.
If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article. You might also look at Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is also available to walk you through creating an article.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Citation questions and Google News & Archive[edit]

Resolved: Thanks to Fuhghettaboutit.

Hi, everyone. I have three related questions:

  1. Is there any policy about when to use "cite news" versus "cite web" for an online news item published by a media outlet? I saw WP:Citation_templates, but it didn't address the distinction explicitly. I always use "cite news", but I see a lot of other people using "cite web".
  2. I'm noticing a lot of articles lately that are including cites to Google News. As most of you know, those links break very quickly, since Google News only aggregates web content from the past 30 days. I first learned of this myself from Template:Cite_news#Optional_parameters, which says, in boldface, "Do not post urls of Google hosted AP content, that content is transient. Use MSNBC, Yahoo, or another provider that keeps AP archives." But I was wondering whether there might be a more direct link to the same caveat, perhaps with a more complete discussion of the problem, or even a policy statment about this?
  3. I understand that it is permissable to cite to Google News Archive ( external link here ) for content that's not available on the web, e.g. for pre-internet era optically-scanned newspaper pages. If an editor wants to cite Google News Archive for this purpose, he should be use "cite news" rather than "cite web" to do so, and the link to Google should be placed in that template's optional "archive url" field, correct? I say so because although the "cite web" template also includes the "archive url" field, the plain "url" field is required in "cite web". The editor using "cite web" in this case would have no alternative but to place the archive url in the plain "url" field. If he does so, he's likely to also neglect to fill in the optional "archive url" field correctly, will likely leave it blank, and this will generate a false impression in the link as it appears in the references section. Comments, please?

Many thanks,  – OhioStandard (talk) 04:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

  1. I don't think there is any standard. Citation templates' main function is convenience and fostering uniformity in formatting citations, but their use at all is optional. If cite web is used where cite news could be, and vice-versa, but the use requires no extra attribution parameters that the other contains, I don't think it matters a great deal. Using the more appropriate seeming template may have some benefit in that another person coming along who wants to add further attribution in a way that is unsupported by the mismatched template will not have to switch anything.
  2. I don't personally remember ever seeing this discussed but I was able to dig up this, for what it's worth. The text to the template looks like it was boldy added rather than after a targeted discussion diff.
  3. My understanding of archive URLs is that it is not for links to sites that describe their content as "archived" but for links that you have actually archived against going dead. For example, by going to http://webcitation.org/ and archiving a URL, girding against linkrot which is so common for web citations. News stories that actually appeared in a newspaper never go dead, only the link to a online copy goes dead, because the paper was printed; the link is just a convenience so that users don't have to go to the library to verify content, but the story exists regardless. This is not true of web only sources. So, you can archive web content so that even if the original content goes to meet the dodos (where all the left socks reside), then the archived link saves the day. For an example of I think proper use of an archive url, see here. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:56, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Okay, that's helpful. It hadn't really occurred to me that the "archive url" fields might not be intended for services like Google News Archive, but perhaps just for "one-off" services like Webcitation. It does seem counterproductive, though, for links to google news to be so easy to add, and not to even have a very explicit policy about that. The links break in ( on average, I'd guesss ) in 2 - 3 weeks, and it can be difficult to replace the broken link with the intended target once that happens if a cite template that inludes, at least, the article title isn't used. But I realize - thanks for the link - that it would be hard to implement some automated way to "catch" links to Google News while they're in the process of being added. Maybe I'll make some proposal at Village Pump about this when I can find the time.  – OhioStandard (talk) 17:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Siddha Yoga category[edit]

Can image files be deleted from a Category? Three files seem to have disappeared from Category:Siddha Yoga. They are Image:1-Lake-Nityananda(Fallsburg)-1, Image:1-Lake-Nityananda(Fallsburg)-2, 1-Lake-Nityananda(Fallsburg)- 3. Just a glitch perhaps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardaka (talkcontribs) 8:58, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello Sardaka. First note that the category you are here about is at the Wikimedia Commons, Commons:Category:Siddha Yoga. There is no Category:Siddha Yoga here (at Wikipedia), never has been, and we are a different (sister) website. The answer is yes, categories can be deleted from Commons images and this is what happened. See, for example, the removal of the category from File:1-Lake-Nityananda(Fallsburg)-1.jpg at this page revision. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:28, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
(Hi, Fuhg!) Other editors will be much more familiar with the issue than I am, but relating to Wikipedia, rather than Commons, some contributors go out of their way to delete images from categories, believing that only articles belong in categories. I came across such an editor a while back, and objected. I even asked here at the help desk, as I recall, and I think without much response, although I can't find that in the archives now. This discussion from the archives might be of interest to you, as well. Of course, in the absence of any policy on Commons about this, you could be bold and revert their deletion from the category by looking at the category history if it's important to you that they be included. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 10:35, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Hey OhioStandard. Long time no see! That's an interesting discussion, if ultimately unilluminating of what benefit there is in local categorization of Commons images (I'm not sure I see the point). I'm not much a categorization person but I'm not sure I see much point in categorizing local images either and WP:CAT says little on the subject. I wasn't focused before on the appropriateness of the removal, but now that I'm thinking about it, why would an image of a lake in New York be in a category for a Hindu spiritual movement? Ah... I see that an Ashram for the movement in the U.S. is in upstate New York, and I therefore presume it is nearby this lake; this is a tenuous connection. Sardaka I would agree with the removal of the category unless this New York State lake was somehow closely associated with the movement by third parties (not by those in the movement).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:24, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I'm inclined to agree. The objection I had with the user I mentioned was when I noticed he was removing a category tag for something like "abolition advocates" from images of figures like Booker T. Washington; the category tags he was removing were definitely relevant. In retrospect I'd have to say that I'm not really familiar-enough with the issues to argue the point one way or the other, although your comments about keeping categorization on Commons seem persuasive. And, of course, it seems poor practice, as in this instance, to categorize a lake as part of a Hindu spiritual movement, unless closely identified with that movement, as per your criteria. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 14:01, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

The lake in question is on the Siddha Yoga ashram property, which is why it was in that category. I can't see why anyone should have the right to delete pix like this. How do I reverse it?

Sardaka (talk) 09:26, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

There's nothing in the description page indicating that, and in that absence, it's like finding a picture of a fork in a category for philosophers. Nobody has deleted any "pix", just a category. The image is not protected so reversing it can be done by reverting or simply editing and adding back the category but I'm not sure it fits well, and certainly not until you add to the image description something that associates it even a little with the category. By the way, please note that you are not at the Wikimedia Commons where the image is hosted, but at the help desk at Wikipedia, a different (sister) site.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

User:Perseus, Son of Zeus[edit]

The coding on my account's userpage (Perseus, Son of Zeus) seems a bit messed up. The one I'm having trouble with is this one, centering it. Thanks! 173.49.140.141 (talk) 12:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

"align=<left>" isn't going to work - you shouldn't be using angle-brackets around these parameters. I couldn't see how to float that template in the centre of the user page, though, so I suggest you ask the specialists at Wikipedia:User page design center/Help and collaboration/Help requests. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:25, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

fix template pls[edit]

fix this pls. thank you.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 13:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done - here. To do it, I went to the template's history page and checked a few diffs until I worked out where the problem started (it was here). I worked out what was wrong with that edit (missing "}}") and re-added the "}}" in the correct place. TFOWR 13:37, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

The Wiki for PETN Is Dangerously Complete[edit]

I was shocked to see the Wiki for PETN contained enough information on how to make and ignite the high explosive PETN. Anyone with even a basic scientific degree can follow successfully the guilines listed in this article to create an powerful explosive. Given that this article is available to anyone with internet access it presents an extreme risk of informing extremists of all types to have a new and highly available way to cuase massive damage.

Is there an easy way to ask Wikipedia to remove posts like this as too detailed and complete in an area that could be used by extremists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.0.228 (talk) 13:58, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:NOTCENSORED. Wikipedia is not in the business of removing freely availible information from its website. Terrorism (and drug use, and pornography) doesn't end because Wikipedia contains articles on explosives (and drugs, and nude people). --Jayron32 15:30, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Images[edit]

I recently uploaded an image to Gossip Girl (season 4) but the image won't show up. Any suggestions? Jayy008 (talk) 14:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

There appears to be a problem with the image thumbnail at File:Gossipgirl.jpg. – ukexpat (talk) 14:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Any idea how to fix it? Jayy008 (talk) 15:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Patience - it appears to be a server problem. – ukexpat (talk) 15:22, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the info. Jayy008 (talk) 15:31, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

IMAGE DOESN'T APPEAR!!![edit]

I don't know if my problem same as above, but the image was i talking about are all image that was made by my edit, for example, the cat image on my USER PAGE, The cat image doesn't appear in my computer.The same problem also happen on my userpage in Malay Wikipedia. The Adult Quote-tan image doesn't appear on my user page in malay version of Wikipedia.And when i see the image page,i found no problem with the image. And what confusing me now is the Images were not uploaded by me.The image doesn't appear if it was edited by me, i mean , for example when i create the template or article and put the images, the image will not show up even the images dont have any problem.Why this happen??! anyone help me!! !!!!!! P/S:Sorry if my english suck --Adikhebat (talk) 14:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

There appears to be a server problem that is preventing display of some (maybe all) images/thumbnails. I am sure it will be resolved in due course.--ukexpat (talk) 15:19, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the info --Adikhebat (talk) 15:55, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 Finally, The Problem has been solved --Adikhebat (talk) 16:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Portia de Rossi[edit]

Please list my favorite movie by Portia de Rossi on her page. Portia de Rossi was in the movie THE SHIFT in 2009. THANK YOU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.225.203.118 (talk) 15:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

No one, except YOU, is more qualified to do this. As long as you have proof that she acted in that movie, feel free to make any changes to the article as you wish. Wikipedia was built exactly this way, and no one here is more special than you. --Jayron32 15:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

More info for you to see Portia de Rossi credits in the movie THE SHIFT.[edit]

More info for you to see Portia de Rossi credits in the movie THE SHIFT.

http://www.dyermovie.com/about/cast

THANK YOU — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.225.203.118 (talk)

Too difficult[edit]

This has become way too difficult to use. I can't spend hours learing the myriad rules and regs. I have a regular job. Is posting maps and articles for the unemployed and at home types? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.119.18 (talk) 15:40, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Not really. I have a job too and edit here. Remember, everyone here is a volunteer and edits because they like to do so. If you find it too hard, then you may want to consider just reading the articles (or visiting another website). If you do want to stay, feel free to ask questions! That's what this desk is for and we're glad to help. TNXMan 16:42, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
You won't be able to create articles or upload images, such as maps, without creating an account. After four days and ten edits your account will be autoconfirmed - the delay is to minimize the drive-by vandalism we unfortunately get from some unregistered users (although many are productive and valuable editors). The Article wizard will walk you through the process of starting a new article, there's plenty of guidance available on uploading images, and you can't break anything beyond repair. Just take on board the basic principles and contribute where you can. Karenjc 20:57, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

"If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it."
               –One of Wikipedia's oldest policies

Ignore all rules, quoted above, is your friend. No-one's expected to master Wikipedia's 56 policies and hundreds of guidelines before contributing. Heck, I've been contributing for over four years and I still find rules I didn't know about. The key thing to remember is that any mistake you could possibly make can be reverted by anyone else in just a few clicks. So be bold! If you think you can improve a page, you're probably right. Others will let you know if you make an honest mistake. Adrian J. Hunter(talkcontribs) 12:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

NOTE TO JAYRON32[edit]

Dear Jayron32,

Can you please post the info I show below... as it took me hours at this site to find the right link to ask for the new info to be added. I'm highly challenged when it comes to using the computer and navigating websites.

Thank you again 63.225.203.118 (talk) 15:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Please list my favorite movie by Portia de Rossi on her page. Portia de Rossi was in the movie THE SHIFT in 2009. THANK YOU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.225.203.118 (talk) 15:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

No one, except YOU, is more qualified to do this. As long as you have proof that she acted in that movie, feel free to make any changes to the article as you wish. Wikipedia was built exactly this way, and no one here is more special than you. --Jayron32 15:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC) [edit] More info for you to see Portia de Rossi credits in the movie THE SHIFT. More info for you to see Portia de Rossi credits in the movie THE SHIFT.

http://www.dyermovie.com/about/cast

THANK YOU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.225.203.118 (talk)

 Done. Thanks for the reference. --Jayron32 16:21, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

References in section titles[edit]

Do references belong in a section title? Example: section "Top projects" in Kickstarter. --Mortense (talk) 16:56, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

References don't belong in section titles and have been removed from there in Kickstarter (old version before removal). PrimeHunter (talk) 17:39, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Formatting[edit]

I followed the instructions carefully but am still having troubles formatting this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Carofiglio

I have inserted references but the final page hides some paragraphs. I get no errors or any useful suggestions from the help page.Can it have to do with the fact that the article is in English but includes references in Italian? Can anyone please help me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aminervi (talkcontribs) 17:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed up the page some. Does this fix the issues you saw? TNXMan 17:17, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Looking to make a wikipedia page but worried about slander/defamation[edit]

The company I look for (a collection agency) is thinking about making a wikipedia page listing our history, etc. but we are worried about additional content that may be added. No one likes debt collection agencies and there could be a lot of unneeded negative comments added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.238.215.230 (talk) 17:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

First, ensure you don't run into conflict of interest. See WP:COI. Then, understand that Wikipedia is not a social website or internet listing. It is an encyclopedia. See WP:NOT. What makes your collection agency notable? See WP:NOTABLE. Finally, if there is bad press about your company, that bad press will likely be reflected in the article. It is not slander. It is not defamation. It is what Wikipedia does: provide information found in reliable resources. -- kainaw 18:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
This is a classic case where you should read WP:LUC before going any further. Once an article exists, other people are free to add properly cited information to it. Your company should not be creating articles about itself anyway, but if you are concerned about retaining editorial control over what is written about your firm, starting a Wikipedia article is probably not the best idea. Karenjc 20:36, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Right to vanish[edit]

I request my current and earlier user accounts to vanish - see my talk page. They have been retired for some time, but I would like them totally deleted. Cayden (talk) 19:22, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Your pages have been deleted. Just stop editing and you're set. Godspeed. TNXMan 19:39, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for deleting some of the pages, but I don't think you understand that I wanted both accounts to totally vanish with any user, usertalk and subpages, contributions, and anything else. I'd like them to completely vanish. Cayden (talk) 20:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Your contributions are part of the historical record and cannot be vanished. I will delete your talk page archives and anything else in your userspace. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:17, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm sure in the past that was possible, but perhaps things have changed. Cayden (talk) 20:26, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Quick AFD help[edit]

With this here. It's been a while since I seriously used Wikipedia for things like this. Thanks! --Endlessdan (talk) 20:15, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Fixed it. You substed where you shouldn't have. --Jayron32 20:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Also, don't forget to add it to the list at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2010 November 2. If you need help, I can do this for you as well. --Jayron32 20:25, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Can you do this for me? I used to be a pro at AFD noms but have since slipped in time. Thanks again. --Endlessdan (talk) 20:40, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Flags not showing up[edit]

The Flag of Nigeria is not working. Velociraptor888 21:26, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Other people have reported problems with pictures today; there may be a server problem. I can see the flag at the top right of the Nigeria article, if that's any help. Look again tomorrow? -- John of Reading (talk) 21:44, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Could you please elaborate more? --Monterey Bay (talk) 21:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Are you asking me or Velociraptor to elaborate? I'm referring to ukexpat's comment in this section; I don't have any more detail than that. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:52, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I am referring to Velociraptor's comment in which he indicated the flag of Nigeria isn't working. --Monterey Bay (talk) 21:58, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Professor22 looking for input on NOR[edit]

I'm trying to figure out how to edit an article on your page with incorrect information. I have two scholarly resources to validate what I'm saying but you completely blocked me from being able to edit anything at all. I'm a professor of Microeconomics at the University of Las Vegas Nevada. I'm logged in as a user and have NOT violated your wikipedia "no original research" rules. You can verify everything I'm saying. Sure, there's nothing neutral about the stance I'm taking but it's not an issue that suppose to be neutral. It's pretty black and white and involves money. As it stands, your page is distributing false information. I can easily log into another computer and hide the IP address :) Lets be adults about this. Why don't you tell me exactly which part of the "no original research" policy I violated...

Here's the resources for the article I want to post:

Mankiw, Gregory (2004) "Principles of Microeconomics" Harvard University.

Miller, Roger Leroy (2001) "The Economics of Public Issues" Institute for University Studies in Arlington, Texas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Professor22 (talkcontribs) - reposted by OnoremDil 21:42, 2 November 2010 (UTC) after initial post blanked the help desk

I have to sign off for now, but for clarity's sake am including a link to the edit in question, which I reverted numerous times as original research, unencyclopedic in tone, and non-neutral commentary. [1]. JNW (talk) 21:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I sympathise. It's an argument presumably sourced from a book, but without page numbers and given the style of the edit, virtually impossible to verify - see WP:VERIFY. It reads like an op ed piece - shorthand, 'our country', 'guy', ALL CAPS, etc. You wouldn't expect to find this in a print encyclopedia and it doesn't belong in this encyclopedia. Just tell us, in more or less formal language, what Mankiw and Miller say about illegal immigration. I've tried to check Mankiw online and can't find anything in his book that mentions illegal immigration other than to say that people tend to focus on it. If they don't specifically discuss illegal immigration, applying anything they say about economics to the subject of illegal immigration is what we call original research, see WP:OR. Dougweller (talk) 21:58, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Getting logged out[edit]

Hey, I have two accounts with wikipedia and can't access either one. I haven't been blocked or anything, and when I log in it's successful, but then when I go to any other page, I'm logged out again. I have no idea why. Could someone please give me any advice on this at my email address <removed>??

PS, my two accounts are fiveby5 and angelsinthearchitecture. I only need to be able to access one, the second I just created after I couldn't get into the first.

See Help:Logging in#Login issues and problems, especially the sub-section "I get logged out just after logging in". I have removed your email address to protect your privacy; replies to Help Desk questions are made here. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:56, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Multiple images[edit]

I've tried to use the template {{multiple images}}, but I can't get it to work as I might like. I have a verticle list of images and I want them to become thinner and shorter. I change the width parameter, but that only changes the width of the images, and not the width of the box containing all of the images and the text. Take a look at User talk:Fly by Night/Medals and see if you can find a way to fix it. I want it to be more discreet. It looks great with width = 100, but that's far too wide. It's bigger than my user page. Fly by Night (talk) 23:45, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I took a stab, converting it to a table. However, I'm not great at this coding and I'm sure someone can either tweak what I've done or offer another way, but I see that your previous post about this from 3 days ago was never responded so I gave it a try. I'm afraid the images no longer link to specific pages but just to the image pages themselves, and I'm not sure how to fix that. Is it better? Feel free to revert of course.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:27, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Actually I just figured out how to link, which was very easy, with the simply parameter |link= (If I remember, we didn't used to be able to do this with normal image markup).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:46, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for that! Fly by Night (talk) 15:32, 3 November 2010 (UTC)