Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Michigan
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- NRIS includes "Truck Line Bridge No. 1" (and this is echoed in NRHP.COM) for the bridge actually named "Trunk Line Bridge No. 1, also known as Peshekee River Bridge, in Marquette County, Michigan. That it is supposed to be Trunk not Truck is clear in Michigan Department of Transportation's webpage about this bridge and in the National Register's own Highway Bridges in Michigan MPS document. doncram (talk) 19:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
- submitted in batch01:01, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
- M-27-Au Sable River Bridge in Crawford County: description says that it carries M-72, and maps confirm that it's M-72. Nyttend (talk) 01:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
- M-86-Prarie River Bridge in St. Joseph County: correct "Prarie" to "Prairie". Nyttend (talk) 23:59, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
- The John and Edna Trusdell Fischer Farmstead should be the John and Edna Truesdell Fischer Farmstead (with an "E" in "Truesdell"). Cite from the state of Michigan Andrew Jameson (talk) 10:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- The John and Eliza Barr Patterson House is listed as "John Patterson and Eliza Barr" for some reason: not only is "House" deleted, but the name implies seperate ownership, when in fact "Eliza Barr Patterson" was John's wife. Note the MPS nom form lists the structure as the "John and Eliza Barr Patterson House," and the other houses in the nom follow the same pattern. Andrew Jameson (talk) 17:41, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
- The County Road C11 – Pike River Bridge in Houghton County should be the County Road C117 – Pike River Bridge per this State of Michigan site. Moreover, the road is actually signed "Old US-41", so that might be the proper name. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- The Arvon Township Hall in Baraga County is erroneously listed as the "Avon Township Hall" (without the R). Source here. Andrew Jameson (talk) 13:17, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
- The H. W. Harte Block-Crystal Falls Village Hall is listed as the "H. W. Harte Block-Chrystal Falls Village Hall" (with an "h" in "Crystal." It's located in the city of Crystal Falls, Michigan, and so the "h" is obviously wrong. cite Andrew Jameson (talk) 21:22, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- Like the "Truck Line" bridge above, the Cheboygan Bascule Bridge is misspelled "Cheboyan" Bascule Bridge in the database. Chris857 (talk) 01:41, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
- The Thomson Road–Air Line Railroad Bridge is misspelled in the NRIS as the ThomPson Road–Air Line Railroad Bridge. This page notes the error, and MDOT (who should be an authority) lists it without the "P". Andrew Jameson (talk) 15:45, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- The Warren A. and Catherine Cartier House is listed as the William A. and Catherine Cartier House. Andrew Jameson (talk) 17:51, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Demolished but still listed
Any cases where a NRHP-listed building is gone/demolished, but still listed
- Antietam Street-Grand Trunk Railroad (bridge)
- Alexander Chene House
- Grand Riviera Theater
- Robert M. and Matilda (Kitch) Grindley House
- Lancaster and Waumbek Apartments
- Santa Fe Apartments
- Thomas S. Sprague House
- St. Boniface Roman Catholic Church
- Franklin H. Walker House
- Chateau Frontenac Apartments
- St. Thomas the Apostle Catholic Church
- Ponchartrain Apartments
- Jefferson Hall (Detroit, Michigan)
- Monroe Avenue Commercial Buildings: all but one of the 13 buildings have been demolished.
- Tiger Stadium (Detroit):
Demolition is almost complete, although a section of stands may be retained.Completely demolished Sept 09 :( Andrew Jameson (talk) 15:16, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
- 425 York Street, one of the structures explicitly listed in the New Amsterdam Historic District
- Cass Technical High School demolished July 2011
- American Beauty Irons Building (6110 Cass), one of the structures explicitly listed in the New Amsterdam Historic District, demolished August 2012. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:47, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
- Park Avenue Hotel, demolished 2015 to make way for the Wings Stadium. Andrew Jameson (talk) 20:43, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
- In Canton, Michigan:
- In Ionia, Michigan: the Lovell-Webber House has been demolished. Cite: Lovell-Webber House (demolished)
- in Battle Creek, Michigan: The Adam C. Arnold Block has been demolished. Cite:Arnold, Adam C., Block (Demolished) from the state of Michigan.
In Cheboygan, Michigan, the Cheboygan County Courthouse has been demolished. Cite:Cheboygan County Courthouse (Demolished) from the state of Michigan. Andrew Jameson (talk) 13:48, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
- in Novi, Michigan (National Register of Historic Places listings in Oakland County, Michigan), all structures from the Jacob and Rebecca Fuerst Farmstead were demolished in 2008. Andrew Jameson (talk) 15:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
- in Novi, Michigan (National Register of Historic Places listings in Oakland County, Michigan), the Joseph D. Yerkes House was destroyed by fire in 1989. Andrew Jameson (talk) 15:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
- In Saline, Michigan (on the National Register of Historic Places listings in Washtenaw County, Michigan), the Miller-Walker House is missing and presumed demolished. Andrew Jameson (talk) 21:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
- In Sault Ste Marie, Michigan, (on the National Register of Historic Places listings in Chippewa County, Michigan), the First United Presbyterian Church was destroyed by fire in 2000 and rebuilt in 2002. See pic of cornerstone.
- In National Register of Historic Places listings in Iron County, Michigan, the following are missing and presumed demolished:
- In Ironwood, Michigan (in Gogebic County), the Ironwood City Hall was demolished in 1989, per the Chamber of Commerce. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:49, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
- In Iron County, the Mansfield Road – Michigamme River Bridge was demolished and replaced with a replica in 2007. Andrew Jameson (talk) 20:18, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
- In Menominee County, the Alvin Clark (schooner) was demolished in 1994. (multiple cites on Alvin Clark page) Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:47, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
- In Berrien County, the Snow Flake Motel was demolished in 2006 KudzuVine (talk) 16:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- In Barry County, the Austin H. and Frankie A. Dwight Summer House (aka the Bay Pointe Restaurant) was apparently demolished in 2004, and a new "Bay Pointe Inn" built at the site Andrew Jameson (talk) 17:54, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
- In Gratiot County, the Lincoln Road–Pine River Bridge was demolished in 2009. (this can be confirmed by Google street view). Andrew Jameson (talk) 13:33, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
- In Clinton County, the East Ward School and the Union School (St. Johns, Michigan) are both almost certainly demolished. Andrew Jameson (talk) 00:46, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
- In Shiawassee County, the Daniel Gould House and Ebenezer Gould House no longer exist, although I cannot find any information about when or why they were demolished. kennethaw88 • talk 21:41, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- In Emmet County, two of the three buildings in the Shay Complex have been demolished - the machine shop and the waterworks. The hexagon house remains standing. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:49, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
- In Genesee County, the Flint Brewing Company was demolished in 1992. Andrew Jameson (talk) 17:26, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
- In Eaton County, the 9622nd Army Air Corps Reserve Recovery Unit-Civil Air Patrol Quonset Huts are missing and presumed demolished. The 1992 HAER write-up on the Quonsets states that "The Quonset Huts are identified airport hazards under the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) standards, and are scheduled for removal," so presumably they were razed some time shortly after 1992. Andrew Jameson (talk) 13:12, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
- The Vernier Street–Swan Creek Bridge in St. Clair County, Michigan was demolished in 2014. Andrew Jameson (talk) 17:29, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- The Wadhams Road–Pine River Bridge in St. Clair County, Michigan was demolished in 2007. Andrew Jameson (talk) 17:29, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- In Huron County, the W. R. Stafford Flour Mill and Elevator was demolished in the early 2000s. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:04, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
- In Huron County, the W. R. Stafford Planing Mill Site had, at time of nomination, a badly deteriorated chimney located within the site. It appears to have been demolished (or perhaps it collapsed). Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:04, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
- In Ionia County, the 1853 Portland First Congregational Church was destroyed by a tornado in 2015. The church has been rebuilt in a style very close to that of the original. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:32, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Town location issue
- Big Sable Point Light Station near Ludington, Michigan is listed near Mason, 175 road miles to the southeast. Nyttend (talk) 15:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
County location issue
- The Canyon Falls Bridge is listed in Missaukee County (north-central Lower Peninsula), but its coordinates and community location (L'Anse Township) place it in Baraga County (western Upper Peninsula). Nyttend (talk) 02:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- The location description ("US 41 over Sturgeon River") also places it in Baraga County, and the State of Michigan HSO listing explicitly states "Baraga County". Missaukee is clearly an error. Andrew Jameson (talk) 09:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Fox Theatre (Detroit, Michigan), is located at 2111 Woodward Avenue, per the NRIS entry. The correct address is 2211 Woodward Avenue, instead, per an anonymous wikipedia editor making the correction to its article. Per this Michigan government website and per the NPS's webpage for it, the address is 2111. Per the NRHP Registration document PDF, however, the address is also 2111. So, maybe it is correctly listed as 2111. doncram (talk) 21:51, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
- Per the Fox Theatre itself, "the Fox Theatre is located at 2211 Woodward Avenue, Detroit, MI 48201." As an independent check, The Fillmore Detroit, also on the NRHP, is listed at 2115 Woodward. The Fillmore is a block south of the Fox (this can be verified in Google Street view), and thus should have a lower-numbered address. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Jefferson Hall (Detroit, Michigan) is listed at 1405 Jefferson; it should be (per the state of Michigan and the city of Detroit) at 1404 Jefferson. Note this is a little confuzzled by the fact that Jefferson Hall is actually demolished, but the photograph on the state site (click to blow up) clearly shows the Croul-Palms House (1394 Jefferson) next to Jefferson Hall, so the location across the street at 1405 Jefferson is clearly wrong. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Old Main, Suomi College is listed at "Quincy St. on the Suomi College campus"; as can be inferred from this webpage, the college has become Finlandia University, so description should be changed to "Quincy St. on the Finlandia University campus". Nyttend (talk) 19:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Holy Redeemer Church (Eagle Harbor, Michigan) is described as being located "off US 41" in Eagle Harbor, Michigan (see here). While that's technically not incorrect, in that even Paris, France is "off US 41" (as opposed to on US 41), it's at least wildly misleading. Eagle Harbor is two miles as the crow flies (and farther by road) from US41, as can be seen by mapping the coordinates. A better location would be from the state of Michigan, which states that Holy Redeemer is at the "west end of Center Street" in Eagle Harbor, Michigan. Andrew Jameson (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- Houghton County Traction Company Ahmeek Streetcar Station is not in Allouez, Michigan. It is, as the name of the structure implies, in Ahmeek, Michigan (which is in Allouez Township, but not in the village of Allouez). Likewise, the co-ordinates for this structure are wrong (see below). Andrew Jameson (talk) 06:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- Central Mine Methodist Church is not "about a mile north of US-41". It's more like 1/4 mile. A better description would be "On Old Stage Rd." Andrew Jameson (talk) 06:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- The Elwood Bar in Detroit was originally built at 2100 Woodward Avenue. In 1997 the structure was moved to 300 Adams. NRIS address and geo-coordinates still reflect the 2100 Woodward site. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:27, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- The Savings Bank Building in Marquette, MI is listed at "125 West Washington Street." This is incorrect, but unfortunately echoed by almost every NRHP reference I can find. The structure is actually on the southeast corner of Washington and Front Streets, which would make the address either on East Washington Street (and an even number at that), or on South Front Street. The correct address seems to be 101 South Front Street (see image in linked article). Andrew Jameson (talk) 19:21, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- The Gwinn Model Town Historic District is listed as being located in Forsyth, Michigan. There is no municipality of Forsyth. The model town is located in Forsyth Township, Michigan, or, more exactly, in Gwinn, Michigan. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- The Methodist Episcopal Church Parsonage in Ann Arbor, Michigan (National Register of Historic Places listings in Washtenaw County, Michigan) is listed at 322 E. Washington. It should be at 332 E. Washington. Normally one wouldn't be too concerned about an address off by only 10, but in this case, the structure at 322 E. Washington is the Jacob Hoffstetter House, itself also on the Register. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
- The Michigan Theater (Ann Arbor, Michigan) is listed at "521-109 E. LIberty St." (with the capital "I"). Not only does "521-109" not make sense, the Michigan Theater website itself lists the address as 603 E. Liberty. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:55, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
- The Durant-Dort Carriage Company Office is listed at 315 W. Water St.; it should be 316. Here's one ref of many. Andrew Jameson (talk) 20:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- The Kewawenon Mission in Baraga County is listed as being on Peter Marksman Rd. It's not. Per the state of Michigan, the address is 227 Front Street, between Whirl-I-Gig Road and Peter Marksman Rd. However, "Front Street" is actaully "Zeba Rd". Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:24, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think this is wrong, per se, but the Eagle Harbor Schoolhouse in Keweenaw COunty is listed as being located at "Block 10." THat's pretty much useless as far as location; a better description, per the state of Michigan, is "Third and Center Streets." Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- The Munro-M.A. Hanna Mining Company Office Building in National Register of Historic Places listings in Iron County, Michigan is listed at 702 N. Fourth Street, which is clearly wrong. The correct address per current occupant Hebert Construction is 107 Fourth St. Andrew Jameson (talk) 15:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- The Ten Curves Road – Manistique River Bridge is listed as being in Gemfask Township, Michigan, it should be in Germfask Township, Michigan (note the R in GeRmfask). Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:09, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
- The Old US-41 – Backwater Creek Bridge is listed as as being in Barage Township, Michigan. It should be in Baraga Township, Michigan (note trailing A). Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
- The William J. Tully House in Iron River, Michigan is listed at 419 W Cayuga Street. THe street number should be 519, as confirmed by the state of Michigan and Google street view. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
- Elmwood (Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan) was moved from its original location of 705 East Portage Avenue to its current location at 435 East Water Street, next to the John Johnston House in 1979. Cite: Henry Rowe Schoolcraft House and Indian Agency Office Andrew Jameson (talk) 18:19, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
- The M-28 – Tahquamenon River Bridge is listed as being in Chippawa Township, Michigan; it should be in Chippewa Township, Michigan. Andrew Jameson (talk) 10:38, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- The Parker Road – Charlotte River Bridge is listed as being in Burce Township, Michigan; it should be in Bruce Township, Michigan
- The Forrest J. Stimpson House in Cheboygan County, Michigan, according to a contact at the Mackinaw Area Historical Society, "was removed from site and left in the woods at Trails End Road and changed dramatically." Another house has been built in its place. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:45, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
- The Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church (Petoskey, Michigan) is listed at "610 Petoskey Street"; it should be at "810 Petoskey Street" per the nomination form (and can be confirmed with Google street view). Andrew Jameson (talk) 10:31, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Architect name issues
Other issues (besides coordinates)
- Holland Reformed Protestant Dutch Church: Reported by User:Dudemanfellabra at wt:NRHP While working a list in my userspace, I came across Holland Reformed Protestant Dutch Church (#90001243) in Ottawa County, Michigan. It's not listed on the county list, but when it is searched in Elkman's tool, it shows up as "DR" (Date received, pending nomination) with a date of July 20, 1990. This page from the Michigan State Historic Sites Online database says that the building was listed on the register on August 23, 1990. That would seem to imply that the NRHP had the nomination from July 20 to August 23, after which the listing was approved, but the NRIS database wasn't updated? The church is included on the weekly list of actions taken 8/20/90-8/24/90, which can be found on page 76 of this pdf. Should I report this to WP:NRIS info issues MI?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 23:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, please do. Nation-wide, there are a fair number of cases, probably a few dozen, just like this, where locals/state/others believe/know that a place was NRHP-listed, but the NRIS database still shows as "DR". In many/most of these cases we can even find the Weekly Announcement that the National Register puts out which shows the listing happening a few months later. The National Register should be pretty receptive to fixing NRIS for these cases, if we collect them and report them systematically. My last efforts to report NRIS errors didn't result in changes; a new effort to report NRIS errors to a higher level in the National Park Service is probably called for. --doncram 15:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
- I attach approximately zero probability to the likelihood that the National Register would have corrected its records on that one during 2009-2010, given no request from us to do so, and given very little changes on their part ever. I have observed them doing some updating in response to my/our requests, and in response to some other parties' requests (for example an address correction that I know was reported by a New York State historical society), but otherwise, zippo gets changed.
- I'd look it up in the 2010 NRIS, but it's not terribly easy to do so for me; I do not have a lookup webpage set up and would have to run a database program, on the computer where I have that database program (not with me now).
- Another option is to look in www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com, which has updated to the 2010 version of NRIS. At NRHP.COM's Ottawa county Michigan page, it shows the place with listing date in 1990. I thought that would state a specific day-date of July 20, 1990, which would verify that NRIS's 2010 version does not reflect any update (and would be consistent with NRHP.COM ignoring listed vs. delisted vs. other status). But NRHP.COM seems to have chosen now to just report year-dates, so the available info does not rule out the small possibility that you wonder about.
- The Ontonagon Lighthouse is listed with a "built" date of 1852. According to all the citations I can find, the first lighthouse built there, a wooden structure, was built in 1852. The current brick lighthouse was actually constructed in 1866. Andrew Jameson (talk) 10:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keweenaw National Historical Park is listed in the NRIS as being listed on 10/27/1972. However, it wasn't established until 10/27/1992 (exactly 20 years later). The 1966–1978 listings do not show the KNHP, and unfortunately, the online copy of the 1992 weekly announcements is missing entries for the weeks of Oct 23, Oct 30, and Nov 6, so it cannot be positively confirmed there. Chris857 (talk) 16:22, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
- The William Treadwell House is listed with an 1803 year of construction. It was actually built in the 1860s - probably 1863. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:50, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
- The Giles J. Gibbs Building (Sugar Bowl) is listed with a built date of 1916. Not only is that completely mismatched with the architectural style of the building, it is also three years after Giles J. Gibbs died. However, 1916 is the date that the "Sugar Bowl" soda fountain was opened in the building. As near as I can figure from sources available, the actual date of construction of the building is 1867, while the (also historically significant) soda fountain interior dates from 1916. Andrew Jameson (talk) 18:59, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- The First Methodist Episcopal Church of Pokagon is listed with a "built" date of 1913. That was actually the date of the first performance of the hymn "The Old Rugged Cross," which took place in the church. The actual construction date was either c. 1862 (the construction date of the building as a barn) or 1876 (the date when it was enlarged and remodeled into a church). Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:45, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
- The Ogilvie Building is listed with a "built" date of 1903. This comes from the original 1987 nomination, when Ogilvie Building was listed in the NRHP under the incorrect name "Schlichting Building," and with incorrect historical information. A subsequent set of additional documentation was submitted in 2000, which corrected both the name (to "Ogilvie Building") and the construction date (to 1885). The name has been corrected in the NRIS, but not the date. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:01, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
NOTE: It is not important to list coordinates issues, as they probably will not be reported to the National Register for fixing. The NRIS coordinates that we work with in county list-articles are not necessarily the most uptodate version of coordinates. These should just be corrected. --doncram (talk) 17:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
- Houghton County Traction Company Ahmeek Streetcar Station is mapped in Allouez, rather than Ahmeek (note this is probably a real issue, see above). Correct coords: 47 17 48 N, 88 23 42 W Andrew Jameson (talk) 06:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- Greenmead Farms in Wayne County is listed at 42°26′17″N 83°27′5″W, it should be 42°26′17″N 83°25′5″W. (Looks like a typo) Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
- The Phillip and Maria Hasselbach Dingledey House in Wayne County is listed at 42°19′0″N 83°26′55″W, it should be 42°19′6″N 83°26′55″W. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Eustace Hall in the National Register of Historic Places listings in Ingham County, Michigan is listed at . It should be at . Andrew Jameson (talk) 14:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- The Ann Arbor Central Fire Station is listed at . A better location is . Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:39, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
- "Save the Fuerst Farm!". Fuerst Farmstead Novi. Retrieved July 10, 2010.
- Ren Farley. "Robert Yerkes Home (Northville)". Retrieved July 10, 2010.
- Western U.P. Planning & Development Region. "Iron County Heritage Trail Pathway Study: Iron County, Michigan" (PDF). Western U.P. Planning & Development Region. p. 8.
- Charlotte Weick (November 30, 2009). "From Dwight Villa to Bay Pointe Inn, Gun Lake's delights remain the same". Advance Newspapers.
- "Lincoln Road–Pine River Bridge".
- "Historical Tour".
- Bob Gross (April 7, 2015). "County had 83 'deficient' bridges in 2014". Times Herald.
- "Wadhams Road Bridge". HistoricBridges.org. Retrieved November 20, 2017.
- Tom Thelen (June 24, 2015). "Historic Portland church starts to dig out". Lansing State Journal. Retrieved January 30, 2018.
- "Dixboro United Methodist Church". Michigan State Housing Development Authority: Historic Sites Online. Retrieved January 5, 2013.