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A suggestion you barnstar people have probably gotten before, but should read anyway, just in case[edit]

Why is the Fauna Barnstar not a barnstarfish?

WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 03:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, WikiSquirrel42! In response to your question: I think that "barnstarfish" is a good pun! However, more practically, as barnstar descriptors (those pieces of text which say what type of barnstar a barnstar is - I think that just coined the term) currently always come before the word Barnstar, I think that having any descriptors after the word Barnstar might be confusing. Also, since there different Barnstar versions (currently Barnstar 1.0 and Barnstar 2.0), this could cause confusion if Barnstars as a whole were updated, but Barnstarfish were not.
Example: Barnstars get updated to 3.0. Barnstarfish do not. Later, Barnstars get updated to 4.0. So do Barnstarfish. Is the Barnstarfish which is a Barnstar 4.0 a Barnstarfish 4.0, despite never having had a third version, or is it a Barnstarfish 3.0, since this is its third version (despite being a Barnstar 4.0)?
At any rate, thanks for asking!
Noah Kastin (talk) 23:59, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Oh. I meant the image. The name can stay the same, and it's still a barnstar. Also, each barnstar's image should, in my opinion anyway, be updated separately.
WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 21:44, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
@WikiSquirrel42: Thanks for the clarification! Are you suggesting that the Fauna Barnstar (maybe 2.0) should somehow resemble a starfish, rather than its current amalgam of animal patterns? Thanks again for the clarification! Noah Kastin (talk) 02:43, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I meant. I can see why that might be a bit confusing. This was actually just meant as a pun, but I'm still really glad it was taken seriously! This should definitely be a thing. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 01:45, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the update, WikiSquirrel42! Now I suppose that the next question would be: How would the barnstar resemble a starfish? I can think of a few ways that it could do that:
  1. It could be starfish-colored (and maybe starfish-patterned) and have a hole through its center to indicate that it is a barnstar.
  2. Alternatively, it could have a starfish mouth in its center instead of a hole.
  3. It could have a picture of a starfish in its center.
What do you think of these suggestions?
If you would prefer another design that I haven't thought of, please let me know!
Thanks again for the update!
Noah Kastin (talk) 06:47, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Definitely the first one. Also, thanks again for taking me seriously - you're actually the first person who I've gotten into a real Wikipedia conversation with, since I've only had an account for a few weeks! WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 22:12, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@WikiSquirrel42: About the barnstar: Thanks for picking a barnstar design! By the way, I just realized that starfish come in many colors, so if you want a particular color of barnstarfish, please let me know.
About taking you seriously: You're welcome! I enjoy seeing people come up with new ideas and trying to help people make their ideas work.
I also wanted to let you know that I added an Outdent connector bar in this edit. Outdent is a handy little thing that lets you outdent from a conversation, reducing clutter, while still being able to track the conversation flow. This may be the first time I've used it, but it looks very useful!
Thanks again for the barnstar design picking!
Noah Kastin (talk) 22:50, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
A leather star would be nice. Let me know if you get it approved by whoever is supposed to make decisions on the subject. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 23:01, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the color choice! By leather, do you mean a leather-like color? Maybe something like this would fit the description of "leather": ••••••••••••••••
About "getting [the barnstar] approved by whoever is supposed to make decisions on the subject", Wikipedia:Barnstars#Adding a barnstar says:

If you would like a barnstar to be added to the list, please discuss it at WikiProject Wikipedia Awards talk page. Please don't add it without a consensus!

I'm not sure if consensus can be reached in this discussion, but if it can't, then I'll start a new discussion proposing the Fauna Barnstar 2.0 patrern. (I'm also not sure if adding new images for barnstars requires consensus, or how broad consensus has to be. However, I'm sure we can make it work somehow.)
Thanks again for the color choice!
Noah Kastin (talk) 23:31, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
I was actually thinking of the species of starfish called a leather star. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 17:48, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the update, WikiSquirrel42! I did not realize that leather stars existed. Looking at pictures of them, it seems that they are somewhere between these two colors:
  1. ••••••••••••••••
  2. ••••••••••••••••
Was one of these the approximate color you had in mind? If not, can you help me figure what color you do want?
Thanks again for the update!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:33, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
I was thinking of simply using the starfish's pattern, or just a picture of the starfish, with a hole in the middle. The pictures I got when I did a Google Images search for "leather star" are what I was using as a reference. Sorry for being so picky. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 01:06, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, WikiSquirrel42! Don't worry about being picky; after all, the barnstar has to look exactly one way, so figuring out exactly how the barnstar should look is useful.
I am working on finding an adequate image for the leather star. I'll let you know when I find one.
Thanks again for the reply!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I bet the Wikimedia Commons has some good ones. If all else fails, you can always just do what I did and use Google Images. Thanks! WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 21:42, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

@WikiSquirrel42: Thanks for the suggestion to search Wikimedia Commons! I just did a quick search there, and while I couldn't find any images for leather stars, I did find this nice starfish picture:
Please let me know if you like this picture.
Thanks again for the suggestion!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:51, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Beware, it's reversed! [Humor]. It's actually a very good idea. —PaleoNeonate - 23:20, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: What is a very good idea? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:31, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
The starfish image, sorry for not being clear. —PaleoNeonate - 23:32, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification, PaleoNeonate! Now I'm just waiting for WikiSquirrel42 to give it the go-ahead. Thanks again! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:37, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────We can use that. Just be sure to turn it right side up and put in the hole, so people know it's a barnstar. Oh, and it should be a Barnstar 2.0, so people can still use the old version if they want. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 23:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions, WikiSquirrel42! I will see if I can turn the image into a barnstar with your changes in mind; however, if anyone wants to turn the image into a barnstar before I get around to doing so, go ahead! Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
@WikiSquirrel42 and PaleoNeonate: I tried to turn commons:File:Reef0297.jpg into a barnstar, and had great difficulty doig so. However, I drew my own barnstar, taking commons:File:Original Barnstar Hires.png, re-coloring it, and adding circles, making it look similar to a leather star (based on commons:File:Leather star fish.jpg). The effect is, I think, approximately the same effect that WikiSquirrel42 had originally requested, albeit obtained by different means. Once I can figure out how to upload a picture to Wikimedia Commons, I will upload my self-drawn picture, and see what you think of it.
Please let me know if this abrupt change in plans is a problem, or if you have any other questions or suggestions.
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 10:53, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
I suppose we'll know whether or not it will work when we see it! And Noah, if you need help with uploading you could always ask the Teahouse or one of the other places Wikipedia has for answering questions. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 00:52, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion, WikiSquirrel42!
I have found some useful ways to upload images, such as commons:Special:UploadWizard (which I plan to use for uploading my image).
I will try to upload my image soon, but I am not sure how soon I will be able to do so.
Thanks again for the suggestion!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 21:06, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I just uploaded my image, located at commons:File:Barnstar Leather Star.png. @WikiSquirrel42 and Septegram: Please let me know what you think of it. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:00, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I meant to also ping PaleoNeonate, whose opinions are also requested. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:36, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Please also see User talk:Noah Kastin#Starfish (permalink) although it would be best to resume the thread here. I think that Noah's looks more like a barnstar, this one I uploaded could possibly still serve for other types of awards. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate - 01:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the update, PaleoNeonate! I like your barnstar picture, although I think that it would work better as a barnstar 1.0 than as a barnstar 2.0. It would definitely be useful for other types of awards, such as placing on users' user pages as a personal user award.
I'm glad that you like my picture! I'm not quite sure how much it looks like a leather star or a barnstar 2.0, but for those questions to be answered, I think I would need input from WikiSquirrel42 and Antonu, respectively.
Thanks for the link to the Starfish discussion on my talk page! Should it be changed to a link to the section on my talk page (rather than a revision of my talk page) for accuracy?
Thanks again for everything!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:54, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
The permalink includes the section anchor and makes sure that the link will remain available despite future archival, but if you leave the thread there forever, or if you archive it, a more conventional link pointing exactly where it'll remain would be fine too of course... For clarity I've updated the link to show that it's from your user page. —PaleoNeonate - 02:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: Thanks for the information, and for updating the link! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:29, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────No offense, Noah, but that doesn't exactly look like a starfish, although I can see where you were going with it. What we need to do is Photoshop the picture of the starfish onto a barnstar-shape. Or we could just have a starfish with a hole in the middle - it doesn't even have to be a leather star. As long as it has five arms and looks sufficiently starfishy, I'll settle for it. The leather star was my first choice, though. Also, if there are other designs any of you have come up with, I'd like to see them! WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 19:41, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, WikiSquirrel42! I can see why my barnstar does not look much like a starfish.
I like the idea of Photoshopping the starfish onto a barnstar; I tried to do that myself, but found that difficult. I can try again, though.
As for making a starfish with a hole through the center: I think that I could do this fairly easily by putting a hole through commons:File:Reef0297 award.png (PaleoNeonate's award). While this would make a nice barnstar, it probably would not qualify as a barnstar 2.0, due to it not being the exact same shape as the other barnstar 2.0s. If anyone is interested in me putting a hole through PaleoNeonate's award and uploading it as a separate file (or overwriting the current one), please let me know.
If anyone has any other questions or suggestions, please let me know.
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:22, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I have not tried this, but it may possible to pickup a bitmap pattern from the starfish (Reef0297), transform it into a tillable pattern for use with fills, then create the barnstar outline and fill its inside with that pattern... I'm not sure what the end result would be, but the shape would be certain to have been predefined. Another idea would be to paste/draw a barnstar outline on top of the starfish image and to use the erase tool manually around that border, then use blur/smudge tools to enhance the border's antialiasing against the background... For the award version I've made (using Gimp on a BSD OS), what I did was fuzzy-select the star, copy/paste it into a new image, resize it, as well as its canvas to 1024x1024 and center the image into that canvas (which was then a transparent layer). I fixed irregularities with some blur and smudging, then added a background layer filled with the background color of barnstars. I then adjusted the colors of the foreground/star layer until it was properly contrasting against the background layer, using the color envelope filter. Finally, I deleted the temporary background layer and exported the result to a transparent PNG image. —PaleoNeonate - 03:04, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I was notified that another starfish barnstar also exists. —PaleoNeonate - 22:06, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
That might work, Paleo. Can we see it? It may be our only option if we want this to be a Barnstar 2.0, which we do (see first part of discussion). WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 15:46, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate and WikiSquirrel42: I think that these options sound nice. I might be able to do the second option myself, though I would not mind if anyone else did it. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:40, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


Barnstar Starfish.png Test

Test on typical background color

Here is one created using both the reef image and the original barnstar image which have been masked/overlayed. —PaleoNeonate - 09:44, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@PaleoNeonate: I really like that barnstar! @WikiSquirrel42: What do you think of it? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 09:47, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Looks great! We should use this one. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 04:54, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm glad we finally got something that WikiSquirrel42, PaleoNeonate and I all like. Now we need to ask the rest of the Wikipedia Awards Project. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 05:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Well, then that's what we'll do. Who do we ask? Is there an approval process? WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 21:48, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
@WikiSquirrel42: As far as I know, there isn't any official approval process or specific people who we're supposed to ask. I think that, since this post has been up for a couple of days and nobody has commented on it, we should just go through with the barnstar change (making PaleoNeonate's award the Fauna Barnstar 2.0). Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:55, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
yellow tickY Partly done The change to Wikipedia:Barnstars has been made (in this edit). However, I can't figure out how to change Template:The Fauna Barnstar so that it makes the new barnstar appear with the 2 parameter set to alt. If anyone can figure out how to do that, please let me know. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:06, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 Done I figured out how to do it myself and did it (in this edit). Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:16, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
@WikiSquirrel42 and PaleoNeonate: I tried placing the barnstar on my user page, both using and not using the 2 parameter, and it seems to work perfectly! If you have any feedback, please let me know. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:21, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Super! I have now scaled the image up a bit because it appeared abnormally small compared to the non-alt/1.0 one. —PaleoNeonate - 04:26, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the image scaling, PaleoNeonate! I like the way that the image is centered on its background.
The image looks a little bit too small at Wikipedia:Barnstars, due to the image having a larger transparent border around it than File:Wildlife Barnstar (V5) Alt.png does. I will see what I can do to make the border on this image smaller. However, if you can figure out how to make the border appropriately small, I would greatly appreciate that!
Thanks again for the image scaling! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 05:24, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
I think that this was fixed when I scaled it, but you may need to "purge" the page for the new version to be showed on the barnstars page. —PaleoNeonate - 05:33, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: As it appears in my browser, when your version is displayed, it appears too small; however, when I tried to remove some of the border, it appeared too large (and the wrong shape, due to my edit turning it into a rectangle). I'm not quite sure what should be done... Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 05:41, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
I can see a minute size difference here but nothing that worries me. It seems that the original barnstar image which I used as model is not a square either: it is 2000x1900. The reef starfish image was also far from a barnstar shape, so some compromises needed to be made. —PaleoNeonate - 06:15, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: The new Fauna Barnstar looks about right now. I realized that the old Fauna barnstar has a rectangular frame, which could be causing the formerly perceived problem. However, like I said, the new Fauna barnstar looks about right now, so we probably shouldn't have to change it again due to size-related issues. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 06:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: This barnstar looks so awesome that I really want to give it to someone, even though I do not know anyone eligible to receive it. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 06:36, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg — I'm sure that someone can be found eventually. There are biology and animals (fish etc) related WikiProjects that may be a place to look for participants. To see who were awarded the v1 version it's possible to check Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Wildlife_Barnstar_(V5)_Alt.png. But you could also look at your favorite animal articles and look at the history to find who contributed the most to that article, etc. In the "user contributions" page of users, at the bottom is a counter link, this will also display the articles edited by that user sorted by the most edited, that can be a way to evaluate quickly the contributions of users found in WikiProject participants lists... Just ideas, —PaleoNeonate - 06:44, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I saw the new Fauna Barnstar on the Barnstars page, and it looks great! Great job to all! I'm happy to have done something other people will see and use instead of just fixing grammar mistakes. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 17:49, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

@WikiSquirrel42: This has been a very rewarding experience for me too. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:12, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

A new barnstar[edit]


I'd like to propose a new barnstar for people who improve the encyclopedia by application of WP:IAR. Thoughts? Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 23:06, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

This could be useful, Jjjjjjdddddd. However, for those who do not understand WP:IAR, they might think that the barnstar encourages people to intentionally break the rules, rather than rewarding people who ignore the rules when the rules get in the way of helping the encyclopedia. For that reason, the barnstar might be detrimental rather than useful. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:13, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
I can see how it could encourage people to break the rules for its own sake, but I still think we should recognize people who use IAR well. Maybe a "think-outside-the-box"-type barnstar would solve the problem without encouraging people to go out of their way to break the rules. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 23:18, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
@Jjjjjjdddddd: I just realized that the barnstar that you want may actually exist! See below (emphasis added):
The Home-Made Barnstar is awarded to people who do a lot of work in difficult areas and do it well. Recipients are able to think outside the box, the original intention of the WP:IAR principle, and their interventions are always, or almost always effective in resolving or progressing difficulties and disputes.
Please let me know if this is helpful.
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:14, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Ah, that's right,I thought there might be a barnstar like this but I wasn't sure. Thanks for reminding me! Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 22:53, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
@Jjjjjjdddddd: You're welcome! I'm happy to help. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:57, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Dedication Barnstar.[edit]

I’m bringing to attention of the Editors the Dedication Barnstar.

The Dedication Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians, demonstrating strong dedication to providing contributions of outstanding quality to Wikipedia.

The Dedication Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians, demonstrating strong dedication to providing contributions of outstanding quality to Wikipedia.

“Any job very well done that has been carried out by a person who is fully dedicated, is always a source of inspiration.”, - as noted Carlos Ghosn; that is very true, and I think, that invaluable work of dedicated Editors, who are setting the standard for Wikipedia in any of its many fields and inspiring others, is worthy in the highest degree of being awarded by a Barnstar designed specifically to reward efforts of creators of the face of Wikipedia, who are making it a source of quality information, which is used up to 10 000 000 000 times monthly:

It will be good to know the opinions of Wikipedia Awards Progect participants and also very welcomed Editors, visiting Wikipedia Awards talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris Oxford (talkcontribs) 21:37, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Chris Oxford (talk) 22:16, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

@Chris Oxford: This seems fairly similar to the Barnstar of Diligence:
The Barnstar of Diligence may be awarded in recognition of a combination of extraordinary scrutiny, precision and community service.
The "dedication" part seems to match with " service", and the "outstanding quality" part seems to match with "extraordinary scrutiny [and] precision".
Please let me know if this is helpful.
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:20, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
@Chris Oxford: I mean, it's nice-looking and all, but I agree with @Noah Kastin: that it does overlap a little with some others (The Editor's Barnstar comes to mind as well). But look, the more the merrier. I am sure some editors would like some different shinies than the same ones repeated. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
@Chris Oxford and Casliber: I agree with Casliber's argument on all points. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:58, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
That's very pretty. Would it be possible to have a transparent png image of it such that it could be used over various background colors, like for other barnstars images? Thanks, —PaleoNeonate - 03:10, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: I tried to upload a version with a transparent background, but that didn't come out with a transparent background, which .jpeg seems to not support. I'm going to upload it as a separate file, since I had to turn it into a .png file to make it have a transparent background. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 03:24, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes it indeed would need to be PNG for the bitmap to support alpha transparency. If you're working out of the jpeg image, unfortunately compression artefacts caused some quality loss already, and to have a clean border you may also need to use a type of small blur around it, so that it will "fade" correctly on top of the background instead of seeming to have been scissor-cut. My hope was for the original creator to also produce a non-lossy and transparent PNG image. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate - 03:27, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: I just uploaded the image as a .png file. Here it is: commons:File:Dedication Barnstar.png Please let me know what you think of it. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 03:30, 2 July 2017 (UTC)


Dedication Barnstar.jpg Test with original image

This is a test over a background.
Dedication Barnstar.png Test with new image

This is a test over a background.

Not bad Face-smile.svg. Interestingly, it appears to be less shiny at this size. —PaleoNeonate - 03:35, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment, PaleoNeonate! I wonder why it would be less shiny... Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 03:38, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
It's probably because of the high level of detail caused by the bump mapping... Probably that changing the contrast and brightness via a filter would help. If that doesn't, altering the large image to have more yellow surface before rescaling it might alternatively work... I can't try this immediately but if you don't get to it until then, I could try to experiment with it eventually during the week. —PaleoNeonate - 06:54, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: I am not familiar with any of these technical settings, so I probably can't help you there. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 06:59, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
I actually could work on it today. I didn't know that when uploading a new version it'd override the other one under the same name, now I know... so I did "upload new version" on yours, and the above test was immediately updated. I'm not sure if it's really better or not. It seems to be a little brighter. There also was some attempt to make the cup more visible at this size. —PaleoNeonate - 10:42, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Noah Kastin, thank you very much for your reply, which contains an interesting comparison, and comments of Editor Cas Liber and PaleoNeonate are very welcome as well and I thank you both for appreciation of design.

Of course your comments are helpful: it makes it possible to accurately delineate the boundary, which these two Barnstars approach from two opposing sides, but which they do not cross, and thus each of them "illuminates" its own territory with its own individual light. Certainly, I am familiar with the fact of the existence of The Barnstar of Diligence and with a description of its functions; I agree that you can draw generalized parallels between many definitions, but if you look closely at each of them separately, you can see that synonyms are not unambiguous, but an opportunity to give a more voluminous characteristic to any subject under consideration, but still the closest of them in meaning give us the right direction. For complete clarity - a bit of history:

Origin of the word Dedication & History for Dedication: 'late 14c., "action of dedicating," from Old French dedicacion (Modern French dédication) general meaning: to devote wholly and earnestly, as to some person or purpose: "consecration of a church or chapel," or directly from Latin dedicationem, noun of action from dedicare Meaning "the giving of oneself to some purpose" to set apart and consecrate to a deity or to a sacred purpose'.

Synonymous: devotion, dedication, loyalty, fidelity, allegiance, attachment; a feeling of very strong support for or loyalty to someone or something.

Conclusion: Exact sense of the word Dedication = spiritual, sublime, elevated tone, the highest point of bestowal, the assignment of one's maximum effort to a high goal. Sublime style. Dedication can inspire.

Origin of the word Diligence & History for Diligence Origin: '1735-45; short for French carosse de diligence speed coach'.

Diligences of that time were famous for their punctuality.

Synonymous: careful, accurate, persistent, punctuality, steady.

general meaning: accuracy, proper attention or care. Obsolete.— caution. Qualities worthy of respect, but not having the strength to inspire.

So, Dedication can inspire and Diligences can not — this is the difference, and huge.

That is why, from my point of view, Dedication Barnstar is completely separate and independent of The Barnstar of Diligence: they both shine equally, without interfering, but complementing each other. It is possible in different occasions to give both of these Barnstars to the same Editor.

Now about technical details: there is no need to worry about transparency of background, it is already there and hidden under the white mask to make presentation of the Barnstar better, than it will look on a checkered background. Image is ready for any use and has been processed in the same way as images for several created by me Barnstars (Mineralogy Barnstar, Bravery Barnstar, etc), which have been uploaded to the different sections of Barnstars table and successfully used by different Editors. Therefore, an exact copy of Dedication Barnstar, uploaded on Commons, looks very strange and such uploading, in my point of view, have absolutely no sense.

Regards, Chris Oxford.Chris Oxford (talk) 13:52, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

  • I don't think "dedication" is sufficient distinction for a whole new barnstar. When we have to invoke a dictionary to separate barnstar roles, it's clear they are overlapping. It would have been better to propose a clear purpose for a barnstar first; after all, we already have so many different ones, including WP:PUA and such. As for the design itself, I'm not sure I like it. It's got neither the rusting original barnstar feel, nor is it a clean looking 2.0 barnstar. Sorry for putting it bluntly, but it looks like an excess use of Photoshop filters rather than guided design. The trophy itself is tiny and hardly visible. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 14:36, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Hellknowz, Thank you very much for letting us know your point of view. As I see, I couldn't provide enough evedence, which could assure you, that still these two Barnstars are pretty different from each other, but this is a respected priviledge to have own opinion, so the most important thing is that you visited this page and took part in a discussion. About quality of the image: I am sure, that you ment the Barnstar marked 'Test' - this version has been copied from original Dedication Barnstar by Editor Noah Kastin, what resulted in significant loss of quality, taht is why I would like to ask Noah Kastin to kindly delete this unneccessary copy from the page and from Commons. This is very good, that you noted that. That is why an active discussion on the talk page Wikiawards is so valuable, it allows us to note all the negative and positive sides of the subject of discussion, to learn a lot and finally to make an objective conclusion. Regards, Chris Oxford.Chris Oxford (talk) 15:10, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

The second version is better. Your request to "kindly delete" it is the opposite of collaboration and "objective conclusion". —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK

@Hellknowz. The opinions of each of us, when we talk about design, is always subjective. And especially Better/Worse does not exist when it comes to the level of contrast of the same image. This is a matter of personal taste and it's fine: you can successfully change this on the screen of your computer, but increase in the level of contrast always leads to a deterioration in the technical quality of the image, because it's destroys small details and shades. The level of the contrast of the Dedication Barnstar original image has been increased as result of attempt of other Editors to create a transparent background, while it’s already existed. Thus, the goal set had no meaning at first. I have already explained this above. (Please take another look at the phrase starting with the words: “Now about technical details:“. So, it is not clear what your phrase “opposite of collaboration” means in this particular case.Chris Oxford (talk) 22:06, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Chris Oxford: I have restored your barnstar to its original version (File:Dedication_Barnstar.jpg, the second one was the same but a failed attempt to make it transparent). The transparent one is a derived work at File:Dedication_Barnstar.png, in which there were two versions, the original transparent one Noah Kastin made, which was updated by another lighter and higher contrast transparent one I made. I tried to clearly attribute the second to your work and to point to the second one in the original's page. So nothing is lost, but we have two versions at current time. I'll update the above test/example to include both. —PaleoNeonate - 16:36, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @ PaleoNeonate. This is ok, but was all of this really necessary? In this image a transparent background, disguised in white, already exists, as I explained previously, and thus technically this image was ready for use without any additional manipulations. Although this was done too hastily and without prior consultation with me, I understand, that it was a result of sincere desire to make the image more applicable, and that is nice. I appreciate it very much.Chris Oxford (talk) 22:06, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

It may not matter for a "1.0" barnstar possibly, although Wikipedia:Barnstars_2.0/Guidelines section 3 suggests: Use the PNG format with transparent background, which allows to use the image over various background colors... The other problem is that while your current image really looks great in my opinion when large enough, at the typical size showed in barnstar awards it becomes darker. The cup becomes almost invisible. So the efforts were to:
  1. provide a transparent background PNG,
  2. make it appear more shiny when small,
  3. make the cup more visible when small.
The results are of course questionable. I still find that goal 3 was not completely achieved. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate - 05:34, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@ PaleoNeonate. Usually, at least in the last few years, this page has been used solely for discussion of the Barnstars proposed by their authors. It was always place for the discussions and never - for the experiments with the designs of the Barnstars, offered for discussion. Of course, comments and suggestions were made, and they were very welcome, but these changes were usually suggested to be made by the author of the design, and it worked perfectly. So, what we are seeing now is quite a new style, but I personally do not attach much importance to this matter (in this case) in view of my understanding, that this has been done out of good motives... but some people do, therefore in the future, preliminary consultations with the authors of Barnstars will be appreciated, as it will benefit Wiki Awards Project in general. About transparent background: you are absolutely right, but this relates only to Barnstars, officially approved by majority of Editors, involved in a discussion. Usually, during the procedure of approval, Editors write the word ’Support:’ and explain in the short words why they are supporting this Barnstar. Only after such approval the Barnstar is added to the appropriate section at the Barnstars table, where it should be placed with its background transparent. Before that this is considered just as a sketch, which should be presented in the best way: on the neutral white background. Again, I'm glad, that you think that the Dedication Barnstar’s “current image really looks great”. Thank you.Chris Oxford (talk) 21:55, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

The Excellent New Editor's Barnstar[edit]

Hi! I noticed that The Excellent New Editor's Barnstar, which uses File:New editor delivery.png as it's picture, is in the 2.0 column of the barnstars list at WP:*#Barnstars, effectively stating that the barnstar is a Barnstar 2.0. However, the file does not seem to comply with Wikipedia:Barnstars 2.0/Guidelines, due to the fact that the barnstar is in one corner and in front of the stork. Therefore, I am suggesting two things:

  1. The current barnstar should be moved over to being a Barnstar 1.0.
  2. (optional) A new barnstar, with the barnstar centered and behind the stork, and with the stork at a more moderate size, should be created as a barnstar 2.0.

Please let me know what you think of these suggestions.


Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 07:08, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done I have successfully made both changes, both at WP:* and at Template:The Excellent New Editor's Barnstar. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 07:23, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

New sub-projects location[edit]

Hi! I have a number of projects that I want to work on, all of which are related to this project. However, I am not sure whether I should post these in userspace, on this talk page, or in another location (such as the project page that this talk page is attached to). If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 05:31, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

If they are collaborative projects, perhaps that subpages of the WikiProject (in Wikipedia: space) would suit, but I'm not very familiar with how this project normally proceeds. —PaleoNeonate - 13:40, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: Great idea! We could even have them display on the main project page, as subpages like Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Goals do. I think I'll go with that unless there are any objections. Thanks again for the great idea! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 04:04, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: I have now gone through with the plan and posted my projects. They are in the same format as everything else, and the content lives at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Current Projects. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 04:15, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
The WikiProject is a great place for such todo-lists, thanks for working on this. —PaleoNeonate - 10:06, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Barnstar 2.0s with fancy backgrounds[edit]

Hi! I noticed that many Barnstar 2.0s either have fancy backgrounds or clipart behind the barnstar. I'm not sure if such barnstars still count as barnstar 2.0s. If someone can let me know, I would greatly appreciate that! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 03:44, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Conflicting Emo Barnstars[edit]

Black barnstar.svg
Emo barnstar.png

Hi! I just noticed that, at Wikipedia:Barnstars, the Emo Barnstar is listed as having the image File:Black barnstar.svg (upper right). However, at Template:Emo Barnstar, the picture for the Emo Barnstar is File:Emo barnstar.png (lower right). This brings up two questions:

  1. Which of these images should be used for the barnstar 1.0?
  2. Should the barnstar 2.0 include File:Emosmile.png (the face on the lower right barnstar) or some similar picture, like File:Emo barnstar.png (lower right); or should it be a simple black barnstar, like File:Black barnstar.svg (upper right)?

Note: I have already made a plain black barnstar, located at File:Black Barnstar Hires.png, which I was planning to use for the Emo Barnstar 2.0—until I discovered the conflicting barnstars. However, if editors want a barnstar with a face on it, one could be attached to my file.

If anyone has any opinions on either or both of my two questions, please let me know. By the way, @IllaZilla: You might have an interest in this discussion, as you created and implemented File:Emo barnstar.png.

Thanks in advance for any input!

Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 08:15, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

For the moment, I'm going to replace the file at Template:Emo Barnstar with the plain black barnstar 1.0 and add my new 2.0 black barnstar to both the 2.0 column at Wikipedia:Barnstars and to Template:Emo Barnstar. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 05:30, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 Done by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) at 05:39, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Better version of Black Barnstar 2.0 requested[edit]

Hi! I am requesting help on making a version of my Black Barnstar 2.0 picture. Mainly what I would like help with is making the dark gray parts of it (brightness = 5%) somewhat brighter, so that they stand out more. I would also like help creating a visible depression in the center of the barnstar, which barnstar 2.0s usually have, but which I forgot to add.

If I do not get help, I may try to implement the proposed changes myself. However, I would appreciate any help I can get.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 05:46, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

I uploaded a new version, feel free to revert to the old one if that's not what you like. —PaleoNeonate - 12:04, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Hmm actually it doesn't really look that much different when small, I should have checked what the zoomed-out result would be before uploading, probably. —PaleoNeonate - 12:06, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
If you'd like to retry a similar thing, what I used was The Gimp, I first used the color curves tool to change the contrast, then the blur tool with a medium cursor which I ran around the borders (making sure to only pass once everywhere along the border). I then used the ellipse-selection mode in fixed-ratio mode to select a circle around your center circle. I then used the color picker to get the black and gray as foreground/background colors and then used the gradient fill tool in radial mode in that circle until I had what seemed to be a depression. This also filled the erased/transparent circle, so I then used the ellipse selection mode again to make a smaller circle inside, with the erase tool to erase that one so it gave a transparent hole. I then applied the blur tool on that circle's border. The same could be done again but with even more color contrast and a larger hole-border so that it's visible when small... —PaleoNeonate - 12:17, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: Good work on the barnstar! It definitely looks much better than my version.
Something that I didn't realize until you made your version is that the lighter colors look higher up, or closer to the screen, than the darker lines. This means that the borders and spikes sticking out from the center should be lighter than the rest of the barnstar. However, I hadn't realized that, and as a result, the borders and spikes sticking out from the center look lower than the rest of the barnstar. To make this work properly, the black parts would probably have to be turned a somewhat lighter gray, and the gray parts would have to be turned black (or a very dark gray).
A somewhat easier method than attempting this might be to simply take File:Photographer Barnstar.png and make the center the correct color in relation to the rest of the barnstar. Note that this would probably have to be a new file, due to licensing incompatibility (my Black Barnstar 2.0 is licensed under CC-BY, while File:Photographer Barnstar.png is licensed under CC-BY-SA).
I'll see what I can do on the barnstar improvements. However, if you can make an improved barnstar, that would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks for all of the good work!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:11, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
If what you're looking for is a black version of the original barnstar under the same license (public domain), I have just modified the original one by removing saturation, which converted it to black and white, then using the Gimp color curves filter to make it dark (which only took a few minutes to do). This of course could also be modified to have overlay art depending on context for other barnstars... Here's a test using it:
Black Barnstar Hires.png Test

PaleoNeonate - 09:45, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: That barnstar looks amazing! Let's go with that one.
By the way, if we're going to use your barnstar, it should probably be moved to File:Black Barnstar Hires.png, while mine should probably be moved to something like File:Black Barnstar Hires 2.png. If you think that this is a good idea, I will request that the files be moved at Commons.
Again, great barnstar!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 10:04, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
No objection whatsoever. —PaleoNeonate - 10:09, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh a detail perhaps: moving without the page mover right doesn't allow to delete the redirect which is automatically created from the old entry to the new one, but it's possible to tag the old redirect for deletion. I don't have that page mover right myself... —PaleoNeonate - 10:12, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: I don't have the page mover right either (though I wish I did), but I don't think that leaving around old redirects would be a problem. If it would be, we can probably ask in the move request for the page mover to move the page without creating a redirect. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 10:14, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: My barnstar has successfully been moved, and I am in the process of getting your barnstar moved appropriately. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 10:41, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Cool, sorry for the delay, I was patrolling my watchlist. Now about to have breakfast Face-smile.svg. —PaleoNeonate - 10:49, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: The file moving is now all done, thanks to the combined efforts of CAPTAIN RAJU and Hystrix. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 11:15, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: I have now added your barnstar instead of my barnstar at Wikipedia:Barnstars. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 11:25, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

The Scholarly Barnstar?[edit]

How would you feel about a "Scholarly Barnstar", awarded in recognition of contributions based on high-quality academic sources, perhaps with a star wearing a graduation cap? There's a small but special class of editors who make the effort to read the best scholarly publications on the subject they're working on. I'd like to have a barnstar to show my appreciation. Eperoton (talk) 02:07, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

@Eperoton: This sounds like a good idea, and I can't find a barnstar at Wikipedia:Barnstars that matches this description, so let's make this one!
By the way, what color would you like the barnstar to be? I've found a couple of good graduation cap pictures (this one and this one), which I can quickly place on whatever color barnstar you want (provided that the barnstar exists in the color that you want. If it doesn't, that will be significantly more difficult).
Again, this sounds like a great idea! I hope that this idea goes through.
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:23, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin: Given my lack of literacy in graphical design, I will defer to your aesthetic judgement on colors and shapes. Thanks! Eperoton (talk) 22:04, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@Eperoton: How does this look? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:26, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Just noting: There is a bit of blue overlayed on the bottom corner of the cap. RileyBugz会話投稿記録 00:23, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I think the overall design looks great. Eperoton (talk) 00:40, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@RileyBugz and Eperoton: Thanks for the responses! I will try to remove the blue from the cap. Thanks again! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:27, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@RileyBugz and Eperoton: I just discovered that removing the blue part will be much more difficult that it seemed (at least for me), due to the complex texture on the graduation cap. For this reason, I would rather not remove it, due to the fact that I would probably mess up the texture in doing so.
I also noticed that the original hat had a blue corner as well. For this reason, I would ask the original creator of the hat to help with this, but exactly who created the hat is somewhat confusing. The likeliest persion is commons:User:Garrett, who is apparently inactive. If someone else can help me remove the blue corner, I would greatly appreciate that!
Thanks again to everyone here!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:37, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Personally, I would be perfectly happy to use the image as is. Thanks for your work, Noah Kastin! Eperoton (talk) 03:52, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I also find it nice; I wonder if the hat is visible enough at the typical barnstar banner size though? Test:
Scholarly Barnstar.png Test

I think so. It looks great, —PaleoNeonate - 04:07, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@Eperoton and PaleoNeonate: Thanks for the support! RileyBugz, what do you think? Thanks again, everyone! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 04:15, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I see. Looks pretty good, but the cap could be bigger. Thanks! RileyBugz会話投稿記録 14:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@RileyBugz: About how much larger do you want the cap to be? I would be happy to make it as large as you want it, as long as doing so does not conflict with Wikipedia:Barnstars 2.0/Guidelines. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:40, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I want it to be large enough to cover... say... two or so of the inner points on the star (where the lines connect). RileyBugz会話投稿記録 20:00, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@RileyBugz and Eperoton: I have now uploaded a new version of the barnstar with a larger graduation cap. Please let me know what you think of the new version (reflected in the above test). Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:45, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@RileyBugz, Eperoton, and PaleoNeonate: I just found another version of the cap with the blue corner turned gray. This version is located at File:Sciences humaines.svg. Please let me know if this cap is preferable to the current cap; if so, I will replace the current one with this new one. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Not only is this cap better without the blue, but it's also in svg, meaning that you should be able to scale it the size you want without the aliasing artifacts which are unfortunately visible in the last test (clearly visible in full size). —PaleoNeonate - 20:55, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin, RileyBugz, and PaleoNeonate: I'm a bit lost in the distinctions between great and perfect. Are there any further steps we need to take before adding it to the list? Eperoton (talk) 13:38, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
@Eperoton: I don't think that there are any further steps that we need to take before adding the barnstar to the list, as long as everyone agrees that the barnstar should exist. We can continue to work on the barnstar art after the barnstar is added to the list, so adding it now shouldn't be a problem with regard to the art. @RileyBugz and PaleoNeonate: Do you think that the barnstar should exist? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 21:03, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


  • Support — I just surveyed the existing barnstars to look for any redundancy. Here are similar ones:
    1. {{Kevin_Gorman_Education_Program_Barnstar}} — Also has a graduation hat, but has brown barnstar color and is unrelated to sourcing.
    2. {{The_Citation_Barnstar}} — Although it does not specifically mention scholarly sources, it's generic and to award those who add sources where they were missing.
    3. {{The_BLP_Barnstar}} — Mentions sourcing but in relation to BLP which have special requirements.
    4. {{Diligent_Librarian_Barnstar}} — More about finding and helping to find sources on request.
    5. {{Schools_Barnstar}} — More about writing and improving school-related articles.
    So the closest in meaning is #2 and the closest graphically is #1. My personal impression is that this barnstar is still distinct enough to exist. —PaleoNeonate - 22:04, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin and PaleoNeonate: Ok, it sounds like there are no objections. I can try to create the template and add it to the list, or else I'm happy to leave that to someone else. Eperoton (talk) 00:48, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
@Eperoton: I would be happy to try to create a template for the Scholarly Barnstar. By the way, do you want it to be called Template:Scholarly Barnstar or Template:The Scholarly Barnstar? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:13, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin: I appreciate it. It looks like the official names always start with "The", regardless of what the template is called. I have no preference on this, so please take your pick. Eperoton (talk) 02:41, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@Eperoton, PaleoNeonate, and RileyBugz: I have now created the Scholarly Barnstar template (located at Template:Scholarly Barnstar). I have also added the Scholarly Barnstar to the list of general barnstars at Wikipedia:Barnstars (in this edit). Please let me know if any improvements on this barnstar or anything relating to it need to be made. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:19, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks, everyone! Eperoton (talk) 04:04, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@Eperoton, RileyBugz, and PaleoNeonate: I just swapped out the graduation cap icon on the Scholarly Barnstar image from File:Graduation cap.png (the one with the blue corner) to File:Sciences humaines.svg (the one without the blue corner), as requested earlier in this discussion. I hope that this helps! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 04:46, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Nice, the zooming/scaling artifacts also disappeared. The template also seems fine to me. —PaleoNeonate - 15:08, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Content Reversion: 7/18/17 UTC[edit]

Hi, Hellknowz! Thank you for your great contributions to Wikipedia!

I wanted to explain why I performed this edit, which you reverted. I performed the first edit because, on a previous occasion, I had noticed that the Bravery Barnstar 2.0 (which is now the Bravery Barnstar 1.0) had a white background, making it not comply with Wikipedia:Barnstars 2.0/Guidelines. For this reason, I moved it to the Barnstar 1.0 column. Also, since the only problem that I noticed with it was that the background was white and not transparent, I made one with a transparent background and added it (in the edit that you reverted). More information on my reasoning can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Current Projects (the text of which is also displayed at WP:WPWPA).

I hope that this explanation is useful. If there is something more to the matter which I haven't seen, please let me know.


Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:00, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

I see the original discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Archive 23#Bravery Barnstar to add the barnstar. I don't see where it was agreed to place it as 2.0 barnstar. It doesn't fit the 2.0 design, but it can be a regular one. We can use the one you added without the unnecessary white background as the regular one. But it's not a 2.0 design because it is not done in vector. However, your version needs to be fixed before it can be used, as you have not removed the background: comparison with contrasted background. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:31, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@Hellknowz: Good point about the white spiky edging on the barnstar (if that's what you were pointing me to); that does definitely need to be removed. I will see what I can do about that. If you were trying to point me to something else, please let me know. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:34, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Even if you clean the background, it's still not a 2.0 barnstar. It is not done in clean-style vector graphics, which is the whole point of those. If you clean the white background properly, it's an improvement to the original 1.0 one. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:39, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@Hellknowz: Thanks for letting me know about the clean-style vector graphics rule!
I don't know how to create clean-style vector graphics; however, I could take a gold 2.0 barnstar and add a Celtic knot to it (such as this one), reproducing the same general effect. Would that work?
I will try to clean up the original barnstar, but it may take a while. Until I can do so, I will not replace the original 1.0 barnstar.
If you have any answers to my questions, please let me know.
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:47, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
It's never perfect, because the original image was a compressed jpeg that was on a white background (with antialiasing and compression artifacts making the border difficult to be clearly distinguished and cut). I uploaded a new attempt of File:Bravery_Barnstar.png. I guess that this still would only suit for v1.0 though... Comments/revert welcome, —PaleoNeonate - 20:59, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: I think that your new version of the Bravery Barnstar is amazing! I really like how you managed to completely remove the white border.
I think that this version should be the new Bravery Barnstar 1.0. What do you think, Hellknowz?
Once again, great barnstar!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)