Wikipedia talk:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/Archive 2

Covered bridge

Could i request an icon showing a coverd bridge, both horizontally and vertically? Could it also be shown to connect to a tunnel? This is slightly related to Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:BSicon tKRZo.svg and a small discussion on the CTRL RDT. Simply south (talk) 17:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

What should a covered bridge look like? Please take in mind, that the more different icons we invent, the more a casual reader will get irritated. What about a railway track that shares a bridge with a street which is placed overhead? A covered bridge is a bridge in first place and still not under ground ... Axpde (talk) 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Sladen convinced me. See User talk:Sladen#ECML under CTRL. Possibly it would possibly look like a grey covering over the bridge of the line going over the other line. Simply south (talk) 22:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

WASSER vs HWASSER problem

Any idea why File:BSicon HWASSER.svg is shown as a vertical squiggly line, the same as File:BSicon WASSER.svg? It is also under threat of speedy deletion at Commons, having been detected as a duplicate.

One of these should be horizontal, to match with the corresponding river bridges. Currently the effect is wrong (see Slough to Windsor & Eton Line).

EdJogg (talk) 10:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

No, File:BSicon WASSERq.svg is the horizontal version. User:Axpde has been very busy renaming icons and uploading new ones, to make sure all filenames are according to conventions. - Erik Baas (talk) 12:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

You may need to refresh the page (F5 in IE) to get the correct version of the icon to appear. --Dr Greg (talk) 12:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

@EdJogg: That was exactly my question (H <-> vertical?), and the begin of my quest to fix this error :)

First I changed all templates, but the wiki-pp seemingly needed at least one little edit to reload the changed templates. Meanwhile I checked all occurances of "WASSER" and changed it where needed, so there should be no corrupted river in English or German WP! Axpde (talk) 17:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

At least it's all in hand. HWASSER used to have the same graphic as WASSERq does now, so at some stage someone changed it... The revised naming is probably more useful, as long as you know to use the 'q'! Thanks for sorting this out.

EdJogg (talk) 13:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

AKRZu

Can someone change the colors to match uAKRZu? I'd do it myself but I don't know how... NThomas76207 (talk) 05:34, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Fixed: - Erik Baas (talk) 21:03, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

exTUNNELlu

Was tidying up some RDT today, and was wanting to use exTUNNELlu and was surprised that one does not appear to exist. Can anyone help. --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 18:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

- Erik Baas (talk) 20:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Ta --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 21:14, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

HUBs added

border side and base ID left HUB24 right HUB22 two side HUB26 left HUB24 right HUB22

New year's greetings (as in JST, UTC+9). Anyone's help is grateful, to make the curves smoother or much finer. Recently I noticed that in a few cases icons between BSeven and BSodd are to be combined together in a same hub, so I created HUBs to fit 20px|BS2lg, 20px|BS2clo and similar icons. The shape variations have been completed, I suppose. Let me forget HUB26cbu and others for compound icons 20px|BS2cbu. They can be easily imagined, but practically no use. I think IDs would be understandable, however, any better ideas will be welcomed. Maxima m (talk) 15:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Great work! However the names of the icons are very complicated; can't we just stick to the HUB## naming scheme? 02 to 10, 15 to 20, 27 to 30, 35 to 40, 47 to 50, and 75 to 80 are all still free. ChrisDHDR 19:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I do not have nice idea to fill them in the blanks of HUB## system. Other way to simplify would be just dropping off the numerals, to HUBclo etc. Maxima m (talk) 06:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I always asked myself whether there is any system behind those HUBicon names ... ;-) axp_de^Hello! 17:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

CONT(u,d,l,r) and ABZ overlapping

Route map
ABZ3lg+CONTl

I tried to make , but with arrow to left (like ). Overlapping didn't give the result because arrow is located in the center of icon. Could someone make icon (for example, CONTll - CONTlleft, where arrow will be located in the left side of icon to make opportunity to do icons (such as ABZ3lg) with arrows by overlapping. Analogous to CONTg (CONTgu), CONTf (CONTfd) and CONTr (CONTrr). Dinamik (talk) 15:11, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

File:BSicon ABZ3lg.svg

File:BSicon ABZ3lg.svg

If I did not interpret wrongly, this should be what you wanted. But the little simulation shows that even CONTll is making no good when it overlap with curves, so I guess two columns will be needed, e.g. "CONTl" for {{{1}}} and "ABZ3lg" for {{{2}}}. – PeterCX&Talk 15:02, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I would recommend that you save yourself the trouble (and spare the rest of us a proliferation of excessively specialised icons), and simply place the CONT icon one column further over than the junction icon. AlexTiefling (talk) 11:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

L & R

While proponents of both sides argue lengthily about The Conventions for "H" versus "q" and ever more fancy icons (JHC! the maps are only schematics!), why is nothing said about "l" and "r" which are used to mean either relative to driver going down the page or as you the viewer see the page? CONTs are the latest to disregard the original handshake-with-third-finger-folded method--SilasW (talk) 20:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

CONTs follow the premise of sight, and the usual left and right that we're all used to. Most route diagrams aren't following orientation, and therefore viewer left and right is the only option we have. Kevin Steinhardt (talk) 21:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Nope! Direction is always seen from "driving direction", i.e. seen from top to bottom: File:BSicon ABZrf.svg (), File:BSicon ABZrd.svg (), File:BSicon ABZdr.svg (), all branches going right ("driving direction"), and not left as seen from the viewers point! axp_de^Hello! 09:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Well in that case the CONT icons will all need to change, right? ChrisDHDR 12:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, afaic yes. But fortunaly at the moment there's not much to change ;-) axp_de^Hello! 12:16, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Won't the u and d suffixes have to change to the German equivalents as well? (PS:I told people to stop using the CONT icons for the moment.) ChrisDHDR 12:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Well neither u nor d are suffixes in compliance with the original naming convention, the u suffix means underneath (unten, somtimes also underground), d is only used as prefix. The original catalogue holds f for forward driving direction (Fahrtrichtung), and g for against driving direction (Gegenrichtung). axp_de^Hello! 13:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

CONTg >> CONTg (against) CONTr >> CONTl (forward to the left) CONTf >> CONTf (forward) CONTl >> CONTr (forward to the right)

So the change will be like that I guess... -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 14:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

At least this naming is in compliance with Wikipedia:Route diagram template#Pictograms resp. Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms. axp_de^Hello! 10:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Resolve

I guess it's time for everyone watching here to vote. u-d-l-r or f-g-r-l set. I vote for my original u-d-l-r as per Kevin's visual perception. I don't wanna go with the f-g-r-l because unlike the junction/branching, there's no turning or bending from a direction(f/g) to another one (l/r). Using the lf-rf-lg-rg rule is confusing in the first place. Also the u-d-l-r set makes it easier to replace the {{rmr}} since they share the same directional rule. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 22:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

p.s. u-d-l-r or f-g-r-l don't conflict each other. Because the original concept of the later one is creating combination lf-rf-lg-rg for junction/branching. So it isn't confusing to let editors to understand that rather the suffix is telling from the reader perspective or "driver perspective". If the suffix comes by a single u/d/l/r, it's always from the reader perspective, looking at the diagram plane obversely, down>>up-wise. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 22:20, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

The suffix 'u' is already used twice, on flying crossings to mark the vertical track as going underneath, and on some mixed icons to mark the vertical track as underground. It's a bad idea to introduce a third meaning for this suffix!

The suffix 'd' is already in use as well to indicate double junctions as in ! axp_de^Hello! 23:12, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, I really don't think voting is what is required here; any change to the current and long-term coding needs a widespread acceptance before possibly taking place and not a quick decision by a few people. Myself, I see no good reason to actually change any existing codes. They already exist and are in use. Should a new requirement come along that absolutely has to have a new code then we can review whether a change for that icon set is required, but otherwise why change what works? There is no need of change for change's sake and the management of rail (and canal and footpath) templates is predominantly down to those individuals who set out to learn their way around the present system and grok it, rather than the more casual editor. Rail metals don't change daily and there is no need for us to have the ability to do so at a moment's notice either. --AlisonW (talk) 22:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm for the original German f-g-r-l system – as Alison said, why change for change's sake? ChrisDHDR 17:45, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

File:BSicon CPICqu.svg CPIC-qu uCPIC-qd

Fine, I do not insist on this one. But UK diagram surely will have a hard time to convert the suffixs. And there's 1 issue that the f-g rule does not always applicable thus up-down will be more understandable, at least to English speakers. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 01:21, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Since the discussion seems stagnant, here's another suggestion, only change u>>a, d>>e. That way the l and r will not need to be exchanged. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 07:47, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I've made a request for approval for a bot (my bot) that would automatically change all the icons around (CONTg to CONTg, CONTr to CONTl, CONTf to CONTf, and CONTl to CONTr). Therefore there's no more problem about changing the icons. ChrisDHDR 19:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

My bot has been approved and I will change all the CONT icons around, unless there are any objections in the next few days. ChrisDHDR 14:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Just to tell you how it will work:

• I will make all the new and old icons blank (like File:BSicon .svg)
• I will then go with my bot and change all the affected names
• Finally I will post the old names for deletion, and the new names will be uploaded with their icons

ChrisDHDR 18:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

BHFBR

We have HSTBR (File:BSicon HSTBR.svg) for small stop on bridge, but we have not BHFBR (File:BSicon BHFBR.svg) for big station on bridge. Could someone do it? Dinamik (talk) 20:21, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

BHF-ELEV possible?--Andrey! 09:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

BHF-ELEV suits for station on elevated line (like File:BSicon HST-ELEV.svg), I think, we should have different icon for station on bridge. Dinamik (talk) 13:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

At work, will come soon! axp_de^Hello! 14:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Left bridge icоn needed

Greetings! Please, look a template {{Engineering objects of station Lanskaya}}!--Andrey! 10:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Part of template: right side of bridge, needed exHALFVIADUCTl or xvAKRZol File:BSicon HALFVIADUCTr.svg File:BSicon uHALFVIADUCTl.svg

Part of template: Branching symbols File:BSicon vexÜSTl.svg File:BSicon vexHST.svg

Part of template: Branching symbols File:BSicon xvSTR-STR.svg File:BSicon veÜSTl.svg

Part of template: Branching symbols File:BSicon STRal.svg File:BSicon STRal.svg File:BSicon STRel.svg

Icon request

Could someone please create a 100% disused version of File:BSicon eKRZolf.svg, and a version of File:BSicon exdrlgKRZo.svg without the top left triangle? Both will go in the route I'm putting together here. Thanks. Lamberhurst (talk) 18:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

question about icons

the abbreviated "catalogue of pictograms" does not show the prefix "TEX" anymore. allison W's "catalogue" does. what's the official standing on use of this with theicon's?? or is it a "use if needed policy"? Dkpintar (talk) 07:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The correct prefix is ext due to the fact, that the BSe-template automatically adds the e on first place of the prefix. Even though en-WP dropped the use of this special template (for what reason ever), other projects didn't! I don't know who once decided to rename the prefix ext to tex, but tex is definetly the wrong prefix! Alison Wheeler's catalogue of collected icons is no official list, and there are many bugs in her lists!

Btw. I recently read "Alison Wheeler's rail icons" ... that's nonsense! Those icons neither belong to her, nor were invented by her! The inventor was de:user:Bernina, so it should rather read "Bernina's rail icons"! axp_de^Hello! 04:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I've never said I invented all the icson, ffs! I did search for and consolidate as many codes as I could find though and put them all in one place for ease of reference - and whilst doing so created over 160 which were otherwise 'missing'. So far as 'bugs' are concerned, except for discussions about the mua etc coding for dual-purpose lines I didn't create any codes (eg tex, ext), others did. I just listed what I could find and so there is no 'official' status to my consolidated list; never has been. What icons you choose to use is up to the route map creator/editor, not me (nor any other single person either, for that matter, despite some editors going around changing everything unnecessarily / when it suits them). --AlisonW (talk) 21:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't wanted to insult you, as I said, some users think so taking your list as the bible ;-) Of course you're right, you collected and listed all icons and created several new ones, nevertheless it's an inofficial list.

The problem about it: If you list any icon created that is not named according the naming convention you cultivate rank growth, ending up in quite a mess. You may twiddle your thumbs saying "It wasn't my idea, I wash my hands of it."

My goal is to prevent icons with too weird names by creating the correct icons (most of them much smaller in size), about 1200 icons so far. And I arranged icon names with the english waterways project. It worked so far! axp_de^Hello! 09:47, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Switches to rail sidings

Hello! I have created a set of eight icons for switches to rail sidings:File:BSicon eSIDrg.svgFile:BSicon eSIDlg.svgFile:BSicon eSIDlf.svgFile:BSicon eSIDrf.svg. I felt, rail sidings should be a bit narrower than a regular railway. I am not sure if the icons satisfy all demands and if they are correctly named. Was their creation a good idea? Is there any chance these could be included in Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/junctions? Miraceti (talk) 15:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Sidings, eh? Hard to decide if it was a good idea; probably not. Next thing you know, we'll be making pictograms for signals and platforms. Kevin Steinhardt (talk) 15:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Icons for signals were already proposed at de.wp but were dropped. The icons weren't deleted, so we now have the useless File:BSicon STR 1.svg, File:BSicon STR 1S.svg, File:BSicon STR 2.svg, File:BSicon STR 2S.svg, and File:BSicon HSTR 2S.svg. ChrisDHDR 16:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I've always wondered what those were for. Kevin Steinhardt (talk) 17:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

If I remember right those icons were proposed to mark one- or two-track rails, either with or without electrification. IMHO those icons are as dispensable as those "sidings" proposed above, the details are far to small with low resolution! axp_de^Hello! 21:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

obsolete icons

Hi folks, 'though my time is rare, I'm still working on BSicons categories on commons. Some outdate names still exists as obsolete redirects, several icons are about to be substituted and therefore obsolete. Furthermore, all icons already replaced are now delete candidates. Cheers axp_de^Hello! 08:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Application

Could someone create an application to make making these maps easier? I'm thinking sort of Excel WYSIWYG thingy - so you can insert cells, move cells down, etc, without fucking with the whole text. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:37, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Route diagram template#Design software. --Dr Greg (talk) 00:23, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

i find "spoorstrip very outdated and difficult to use. my words to dr greg go or it! [and keep me informed of your progress] i have been working [off and on] on a project using " EN:wiki" which give the same, and some more, icons but with simpler rules and more practical codes.Dkpintar (talk) 06:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

New funicular icon: naming request (done)

File:Sameboat temp001.svg

option 1

File:Sameboat temp002.svg

option 2

File:Sameboat temp003.svg

option 3

File:BSicon_FUNI.svg

Just a supposedly new addition File:Sameboat temp001.svg. You may adjust or redesign it if you got better idea. But the main point is how it should be named. Personally I prefer FUNI or FUNIC, suggestions please. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 04:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

FUNI is a good idea. In the catalan wikipedia you can see two logos of funiculars ca:Fitxer:Logo funivallvidrera.png and ca:Fitxer:Funimontjuic Logo.gif. Maybe something similar to the first one would be a better design. --Vilar 09:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure the Catalan ones are entirely suitable, and indeed may be under copyright to some design authority? The second one seems awfuly abstract.

My main worry with the first one as an icon is that the poor passengers will be riding at rather an angle-- the carriage, or at least its windows, should be on the horizontal, the undercarriage making up the difference between front and rear elevation.

Of course the wheels aren't touching the ground/rails either which is a bit disconcerting. I realise it's just an icon but a little bit of contact with the surface would be encouraging :)

FUNI or FUNIC is fine by me. I would perhaps suggest the former only as it saves a character and if suffixes are added that might be ever so slightly helpful e.g. FUNIL FUNIR (Funicular left/right) or FUNIF FUNIG (forwards/against) or FUNIU FUNID (up/down-- though that may be ambiguous as I suppose on a funicular the "up" line might be the one that descends in height)-- but really I wouldn't object to either. SimonTrew (talk) 20:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Yosh~ here's the 2nd design option File:Sameboat temp002.svg . As you see I reference the funivallvidrera without entirely replicating it and the result looks pretty. Comment please. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 00:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the 2nd option more :) axp_de^Hello! 14:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

My suggestion was not for copying the logo, but maybe it was helpful for a new idea. --Vilar 15:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Then option 3 has slightly more details that differs itself from the reference. File:Sameboat temp003.svg -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 00:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I like number 2 more. At smaller sizes (option 1 option 2 option 3) it definitely looks better: 3 looks like a caravan, and between 1 and 2 at least 2 looks like its moving. ChrisDHDR 17:06, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd prefer version 2 with the drawbar of version 3 ;-) axp_de^Hello! 17:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I think axp is right on that, and I was hoping someone would have something like this. -mattbuck (Talk) 11:06, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done. FUNI and exFUNI were formally uploaded. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 01:16, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice work there. I would also like to see the roof a little fatter, like at least the same fatness as the window pillars. I am not too bothered if it has the curves at the ends and perhaps, since it seems to me you want to keep the icon as simple as possible, you would regard them as a bit of an affectation or at least needlessly overwrought. Perhaps I am too late (sorry I was busy on the weekend but of course anyone can change it at any time anyway) but still I would like to know what others think. I am viewing on a 1024x600 notebook display, and it looks fine, I am not going to lose sleep over it, just I think the roof could do with being a bit fatter.

While I think of it, should this become part of a family for e.g. chain railways or what were they called that IK Brunel tried (without success) where you pushed the thing along by air? And maglev trains and cablecars, or are there already symbols for those? i.e. for any kind of passenger vehicle for which the locomotion is provided remotely rather than by an engine in the vehicle itself. Obviously we don't want to go overboard here e.g. the San Francisco cable car system is a shadow of its former self and is not relevant to UK Railways of course, but for example would you call the SF cable car system funicular I could see that some would some wouldnt. The Catalan examples are interesting e.g. there is an overhead cable car (is that the right word?) and a funicular in Barcelona and I think they have symbols for both but I can't remember what the cable car symbol looks like. I don't want to go overboard here but I can see taking the same basic icon for steep elevation transport and modifying it for e.g. cable cars, though I am not a railway nut and can't think if there are any left in the UK.

Just spewing random thoughts. Best wishes SimonTrew (talk) 13:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

CONT icons

The CONT icons are being renamed, please see User:Chrisbot for more details. In the mean time all users are asked to use the icon names that are shown at User:Chrisbot/Work status even if it seems illogical. They will change from time to time so please check every time before you use a CONT icon. It is in the good cooperation of all that this will work out. ChrisDHDR 16:05, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

prefix changes

Axpde has proposed that we change "ueCONT#" by "uexCONT#" and "utexCONT#" by "uextCONT#" to match the standard naming scheme. Are there any yays? nays? If there are no problems I'll correct them with Chrisbot as soon as possible. ChrisDHDR 08:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The prefix "utex" breaks the original naming scheme (and during the last three years en-WP wasn't able to set up an own naming scheme), "u" has to come first (if applicable), next "e" to make the {{BSue}}-template work. The same naming also has "ex" for a track completely off use, which was obeyed with "exCONT#", so "ueCONT#" should be renamed to "uexCONT#". Ciao axp_de^Hello! 16:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. But are there any other icons that use the prefixes "ue" and "utex", and if so, will they need to be changed as well? ChrisDHDR 17:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm working on a consistent named set of BSicons for ... well ... over several months. I'm doing little by little at the moment, had a lot of work to do in RL. But sooner or later I'll have all icons renamed (and most of them replaced by smaller versions ;-) axp_de^Hello! 17:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

i'm looking forward to this! best of luck.Dkpintar (talk) 10:42, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Re {{BSe}}, I seem to recall that the template was not to be used on en:WP so is not an issue to "make the template work". Only the standard BS template should be used (which, by the by, makes it much easier to track what icons are actually being used as you don't have to check back along the line to find if a not-the-standard template has added an additional code into the mix). --AlisonW (talk) 22:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, a quick check shows that en:WP has neither {{BSe}} nor {{BSue}}, so discussion of changing all the icon codes to use these templates is pointless and a waste of effort! --AlisonW (talk) 22:42, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

AlisonW, the self-declared ruler of BSicons, you already declared often enough, that you don't care at all about other projects!

Especially the original project of the railroad template system! And we still use these templates and some other projects as well, no matter what you think about them! axp_de^Hello! 15:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh dear, dear, dear. All I did was point out that well before I arrived there seemed to be general agreement on en:WP that only the 'plain' BS icon template would be used. What other projects choose to do is their business. (And, er, aren't you just trying to force the DE project styles on us?). Anyway, I'm not "declaring" anything, just pointing out an earlier decision (which I happen to agree with for the reasons above). --AlisonW (talk) 16:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

In German WP, there're only 9 articles transcluding Vorlage/Template:BSue [1]. (well, over 1k of Vorlage:BSe.) Because of German WP ROUTE editors' habit, i.e. minimalism, such templates aren't that effective to simplify the map syntax but create more problems as stated by AlisonW. BUT, I'm neutral about changing the utex/uext preffix as long as the bot can make it quick. Otherwise create the filename redirects in Commons, I strongly discourage it, though. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 02:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

File:BSicon WASSERqd.svg

miniatur

I created File:BSicon WASSERqd.svg when I needed a river junction. However, I'm pretty certain I got the name wrong (as I had no real idea what to name it). So, anyone know what it should be called? So far it's only used on one map, so easy to change here and on commons. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I already created a full set of BSicons but didn't load it up, 'cause there are four(!) icons for each direction:

across + from left:

across + from right:

from left + right:

or all three ways combined ...?

Do we really need all those variations? Tell me which ones you want, I'll upload them instantly ;-) axp_de^Hello! 16:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we need all these variants. In my opinion, we just need a single junction that looks OK whichever way the water flows, otherwise it just gets too complicated. The middle one looks the simplest, but the "vertical" leg could be adjusted slightly so the three lines meet at right-angles. --Dr Greg (talk) 16:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, we only need a single one, and I liked the right hand one :p -mattbuck (Talk) 16:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Now File:BSicon_WASSERr.svg -mattbuck (Talk) 19:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Waterway icons needed

Hi, could someone create some icons for me? I've inferred the names from Template:Waterways_legend, they're all a manipulation of existing icons. The first name on each line below is the icon required.

1) ugWEIRl - unwatered canal (green) version of uWEIRl

2) ugWEIRr - unwatered canal (green) version of uWEIRr

3) uLKRZun - proposed (dotted blue) version of uKRZun

4) I also need 2 icons for "Drop Lock under Motorway". I don't know what the name should be. I would need normal waterway (dark blue) and proposed (dotted blue) versions. The base icon to construct it would be uADROPLOCK, changing the road over to look like the motorway in uAKRZu2.

These will all be used in the template Template:Wilts_and_Berks_Canal_map Thank you -- Wessexmario (talk) 19:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

LUECKE CURVES

Can someone make some LUECKE turning curves? -mattbuck (Talk) 13:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Template for builders of templates

Unfortunately, not all icons are listed in tables. For example, such images as or are absent in tables. I wish to create a template for search icons in Commons: to collect images in a category to signs of presence of certain elements. For example, I have made Category:STRlf elements in which has collected all elements with ( ). These are crossings, bridges, tunnels, platforms, stations - everything that contains it. Unfortunately, tables are imperfect, especially in widespread elements and crossings. Besides elements becomes more and more and where them to search, happens not clearly.--Andrey! 22:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Rules for categories are very simple:--Andrey! 22:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

1. In a category will be no more than 200 elements not to pass from page on page--Andrey! 22:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
2. In a category will be either only files or only other categories to avoid ambiguity of inclusion in a category.--Andrey! 22:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I hope, you support my idea.--Andrey! 22:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Erm, as a Commons admin, that's not how categories work. They can have both cats and media in them, if relevant. You don't want to add extra complexity by having superfluous categories (eg icons of strlf within strlf elements), or stopping at 200 just to prevent it going to another page. The idea of having categories for eg strlf is fine, but just make it a normal category, don't try to apply inane rules. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Two problems about your "new sytem of categories":

1. They aren't connected to the existing commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions-hierarchy. This is designed to separate the icons by function, you just have to consider the type (simple track, branching, crossing, etc.) and if the desired icon is available, you'll surely find it!
2. Icons have to be added in several categories, e.g. has to be included in six categories, thus producing a large chaos in each of them ...
3. Some special icons aren't included in your system, e.g. File:BSicon kABZfg.svg.

Conclusively I see no sense in your action, a simple list as commons:user:axpde/BSicons heavy will serve better! Cheers axp_de^Hello! 12:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: Don't ever dare to edit my statements on talk pages again, AndreyA! axp_de^Hello! 12:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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There is a problem that it is difficult to find the necessary element. I have offered the variant. You write that it cannot be made. Copy the comment so that on each your question it was possible to answer and we will discuss.--Andrey! 06:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

1. 1. It is difficult to me to think as you and if I precisely know one of directions, I wish to consider variants. Why you against it?--Andrey! 07:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
   2. For example, to collect such connection as I in due time could not.--Andrey! 07:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

User with name Axpde removes categories from images on Commons [2] [3], preventing to show me to interested participants the idea. Therefore I am compelled to sign its messages to answer them.--Andrey! 07:03, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

1. 1. You have specially chosen an icon with the greatest quantity of elements. It one such also cannot bring chaos in categories.--Andrey! 07:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
   2. If "them" is category if there will be many images we will spread out them to most often meeting signs.--Andrey! 07:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
   3. If "them" is file six categories it not so is a lot of.--Andrey! 07:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
   4. There is other question from the mathematical statistics - the considerable quantity of icons will be at search 3-cross in 6 directions with the account tunnels and newer used. But on that they and categories to contain files.--Andrey! 07:38, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

User with name Axpde removes categories from images on Commons [4] [5], preventing to show me to interested participants the idea. Therefore I am compelled to sign its messages to answer them.--Andrey! 07:03, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

1. Must "Some special icons"?--Andrey! 07:38, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I do not set as an object to replace your work with something another. Your work better and logical, but is spent it manually.--Andrey! 08:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Together with it there are certain operating time which all know. For example, Schloßbrücke it is possible категоризировать as bridges with lattice Schloßbrücke, Palace bridges, stone bridges, Spree ets. As well files it is possible категоризовать on elements. The idea to make a simple categorisation and to reflect its references in Vicks. Such system will be more scaled and simply translated. To translate a template with icons on languages commons:Template:Icons for railway descriptions/local projects is easier than page.--Andrey! 08:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

The best idea is to translate the descriptions at a central place, i.e. on commons! I already started to translate the german descriptions to english on every icon I uploaded. We should introduce the autotranslate-template as well ... axp_de^Hello! 12:17, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

"Unfortunately, not all icons are listed in tables"

Just an FYI to say I'm about to do a 'search and destroy' .. er ... "search and update" mission to check what is missing / changed / deleted on my consolidation pages. As I've noted before I only add what has already been created elsewhere, not invent codes for the fun of it (well, nearly always anyway!). I will not be adding all the multicoloured variations that have cropped up, but just sticking to the rail 'blue' and rail 'red' sets. Waterways, Roads, Paths, Pipelines, etc. will continue to used in their own way and may correspond to *rail* icons, but may not be explicitly listed as their alternatives. I hope to have it completed by the end of today. --AlisonW (talk) 11:12, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully you get a chance to get rid of all those outdated icons in commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/obsolete or commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/obsolete redirects ;-) Cheers axp_de^Hello! 12:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

LOL .. thought you might pop up with a comment like that! Yes, I'm bearing in mind the changes you've enforced (as it were) whilst staying true (as far as possible/reasonable) to my "collecting what is there" rather than "setting any standards". --AlisonW (talk) 12:33, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Here I’m trying to get it all dumped, of which most is, clarly, cr@p. ;-) Tuvalkin (talk) 14:09, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'd already come across that, thanks! Tons in there that have been superceded or shouldn't be in a rail listing though (and all those colours!) --AlisonW (talk) 15:04, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Attention, some BSicons may cause eye cancer! Please avoid usage! ;-) axp_de^Hello! 15:33, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Ja! Quite. Seems some Japan route diagrams like to be in colours. Lots of them ... --AlisonW (talk) 18:21, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

The initial pass has been completed, though a few more to sort yet. --AlisonW (talk) 18:57, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Axp, just which JA route map you think is too colorful? I found that it was started by the RU user first for the metro diagram, e.g. ru:Кольцевая линия (Москва). But luckily they keep their diagrams as simple as possible, not too many new BSicon variations were created. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 22:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Wasn't me, Alison blamed Japan instead of Russia ... And although they just use stations and branching icons, the number of color combinations is quite amazing ;-) axp_de^Hello! 00:39, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

LRFG again

Some thought. It's definitely too late to say so, but I don't know anything about German language/grammar, the whole LRFG suffix combination for single turning STR aren't quite user-friendly. I mean normally when you recall these icons, you first think about which direction you go straight, i.e. f/g , and then the turning direction l/r comes second. IMO -fl (forward then turn left), -fr, -gl & -gr are far more logical than the current -lf, -rf, -lg & -rg and easier for most editors to write as they recall/organize the icon code from their brain.

The branching sets (BS2 and UEW) is even mysterious, use the "+" to represent g but +l represents rg & +r represents lg. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 07:10, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Short answer (no time 4 more): "+l" stands for "from the left", same as "l" stands for "to the left", all seen in "driving direction", i.e. from the top to the bottom of the icon.

I'd really like to drop "f" and "g" to indicate "forward/reverse driving direction" completely, because it's quite not applicable with icons running mainly accross (someone else already complained about ABZ3.. icons, definetly no german invention!) or diagonal.

Bye axp_de^Hello! 09:33, 6 October 2009

RG ICON

the "RG" icon, as well as the "ABZlg" icon has disappeared from the directory. did i miss something?

Dkpintar (talk) 06:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Have no clue about "RG" icon, what should it look like?

The other icon can be found on 3rd line of Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/junctions#2-way branches and junctions. axp_de^Hello! 07:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

i meant the STRrg icon. but i see they are both back on the "catalogue of pictograms". honest, they weren't there the other day! Dkpintar (talk) 14:52, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, check history, there was no change. Maybe a problem with your browser/cache/etc. axp_de^Hello! 15:05, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

BS icons III

Concerning STRl.svg , I'd say this is another proper name for File:BSicon STRlf.svg (you know, I'd like to drop the 'f' and 'g'). How about "BSicon STRql.svg" instead to show this is a track across leading left ...?

CU axp_de^Hello! 23:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

If that so, ql / qr may be ok. But this causes incosistency with STRf / STRg . I would like to change the ROOT completely. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 01:17, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

BROAD as a type of KRZ

Icon uBROADo seems to be synonym of a putative uKRZoy, at least considering that uKRZoy exists at all. Rename? (I'd like to see a clean up made to road types crossin RR, though — seems too many of them and no clear guidelines on which to use.) Tuvalkin (talk) 23:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

highway + way in one level

Is there a pictogram of сrossing of a highway and way in one level? — Redboston (talk) 19:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Not yet, I think, but I doubt it would be too difficult to cook one up. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:08, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I wanna illustrate this particular mess, a RR bridge over a road bridge over a road. I think I can draw the icon to match what's already done, what do ppl think? And what about icon name? Tuvalkin (talk) 23:10, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

TuBHFu

File:BSicon TuBHFu.svg

Can someone please tell me what the correct name for TuBHFu should be?

I'd also like to know how a uBHFl with a disused heavy rail line to the right should be named. -mattbuck (Talk) 12:37, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Only one discussion please at Wikipedia talk:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/stations#TuBHFu! axp_de^Hello! 14:53, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Response

": Btw. someone announced widely to introduce a new version of icons all named English, but I haven't heard much about it lately ... maybe he realised, that there is no sense in reinventing the wheel! But still it's subject to optimising ;-) Bye axpdeHello! 11:03, 6 October 2009 (UTC)"

That someone I believe is me. And i am still working on it. But there are so many icons that people are coming up with, that I've been scaling it back to BASIC icons. I'm crap at reproducing things and uploading them, so you will get a list which translates the DE to EN. The it will up to some with skill to apply the EN and upload it somewhere.

Hopefully it will also settle the direction problem (u/d f/g r/l) also.

Give me to the end of the year. Ta Dkpintar (talk) 15:02, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Route_diagram_template/Catalog_of_pictograms/stations" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkpintar (talk • contribs) 15:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

So you found out yourself, it's quite some work to do! Meanwhile I uploaded nearly 1600 icons and there are still a lot missing. And I left out all parallel railways and most mixed icons though ... :(

As long as your icons don't start with "BSicon" both systems won't interfere, so good luck to your undertaking! axp_de^Hello! 15:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Elevated+close+lightrail?

Is there any reason for lack of blue close parallel lines? I need to illustrate stations of pt:SATU wich is single track with cars meeting on both sides of stops’ platforms, which have "Y"-shaped branching on both ends. In the discussion page, there’s a not very good looking overlay of uHST-ELEV/uBHF-ELEV with uPSL; and a more detailed STRa + vBHF/vHST + STRe — which would need uh* icons to work. Any ideas? Tuvalkin (talk) 21:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Icons of the type "uHST AUSW" cover for what I'm looking for, but I still wonder why no «close parallel lines» for light/blue lines. Tuvalkin (talk) 12:19, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

The number of combinations for parallel railways is tremendous. I'd rather use two slender icons instead ... unfortunaly we haven't too many of those ... axp_de^Hello! 17:46, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I feel that the 'close parallel' option is fraught with problems, both because it creates a (somewhat ridiculously) very large number of icons which could be just as easily represented with 'single route' icons in two adjacent columns, but also because there sometimes seem to be editors who think it relates to parallel metals as opposed to single-track. The half-width option is problematic as they don't 'slot in' to the existing templates in pairs easily, thus need specific coding - again meaning more complex maintenance issues. In the original case a single track *route* line should be used throughout and marked as 'single track' as required. A route line is not a track line. --AlisonW (talk) 20:53, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

There's only one slight incompatibility comparing "parallel railways" and "half-width" icons, as some icons start their lines at x=130 and x=370 instead of x=125 and x=375 which fit's perfectly to all half-width icons! axp_de^Hello! 15:04, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

icon needed

CPICll + KBHFl

can someone make up the icon "CPICKr" to match the opposite icon in the table. thanks Dkpintar (talk) 14:38, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid the naming of the icon ID isn't good enough. Just overlay the required icon first. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 01:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Catalog of all BSicons

The latest version of my tables showing all railroad route diagram icons available in the Wikimedia Commons, here. («These tables can be used to find a sought icon under an unexpected name, and to highlight duplications. All users welcome to use it. Please do not edit these tables, as they are half-manually generated from the listing at Commons.») All welcome to peek and poke! Tuvalkin (talk) 17:06, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I've peeked and poked and found a job well done, Tuvalkin! Dkpintar (talk) 13:05, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Close parallel bridges

Should these run closer on bridges, or not? Compare File:BSicon buWBRÜCKE.svg (buWBRÜCKE) with (vWBRÜCKE) — one does, the other doesn’t… Tuvalkin (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't really care about parallel railways, I'd prefer to half-width icons , so IMHO the straight tracks look better! axp_de^Hello! 17:12, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Template: BSicon quote

I just made a little something to make discussions of BSicons simpler: This "{{BSicon quote|STRlg}}" yields this " (STRlg)", this "{{BSicon quote|ueWSLrf}}" yields this "  (ueWSLrf)", etc. Useful? Tuvalkin (talk) 22:39, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's useful in instruction and discussion pages so we can distinguish the icons easily. I've slightly modified the syntax :) -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 00:57, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Awsome! I like the "{{BS-q}}" abbrev., too! Tuvalkin (talk) 01:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

"INTACC" Family

I noticed there are only two icons in the "INTACC" family:  (INTACC) and  (uINTACC). Is anyone willing to help me finish off the family for these icons?
--NYCTrainFan (talk) 23:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

commons:Special:Contributions/Sameboat. The set should be quite complete now except for the transverse/horizontal set which I only uploaded  (INTACCq), however there should be many ways to avoid the need for transverse INT. I will only take request for the horizontal INT icon only if there's the immediate demand for the particular icon, considering the rare usage of them. Happy editing~ -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 13:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

What we need right now are terminal versions of the icon on the standard up-down. Many templates have been forced to use   (ACCa),   (ACCe), or put the handicapped logo after the station name.Train2104 (talk) 02:03, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

uABZ_ld uABZgl+xl

uexSTRrg + uABZlf

Can anyone help me create that icon? I'm new at SVG editing. Thanks! Neildenver (talk) 06:29, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

The need for new icons these days is greatly reduced since the maximum number of layers went from two to six (base plus five overlays), see Wikipedia:Route diagram template#Overlay. For example, the overlays for column 1 are |O1=, |O12=, |O13=, |O14= and |O15=. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:03, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Name should be uABZgl+xl anyways ... axp_de^Hello! 11:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Help with implementing templates in wp:pt

Help! I created a nice custom diagram for the Greater Lisbon commuter rail lines (here), but it uses BS4-2 which for some reason does not work in wp:pt (see this!) What can I do to fix it? (And appologies for “spamming” in what’s probably not the right place!) Tuvalkin (talk) 00:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

The coding of English route diagram templates has undergone a dramatic change, in order to correctly upgrade the Portugal RDT, you will need to adapt {{superimpose2}}, {{superimpose2/base}} to Portugal WP and update the syntax of {{BS-overlap}} and the rest of {{BS}} / {{BS-2}} series (optionally {{BS-table}}, {{railway line header}} and {{BS-header}}) as their English counterpart. And you can safely update the whole project templates in wp:pt without affecting the existing maps, as I have tested in Chinese WP. Feel free to ask if you have further question of the adaptation. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 01:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks, Sameboat, I did it! I copied the above and all wp:en templates prefixed with BS (incl. some obsolete ones?) to wp:pt, creating some anew, updating others (keeping some translated docs and stuff), and even correcting others. Now we can have overlays and such stuff in wp:en, great. I noticed some big differences, some resulting in completely broken diagrams — like the template BS-endCollapsible, which it not used in wp:pt and was in wp:pt (inherited from wp:de). All this to say that perhaps there should be a “package” of all needed (current) templates to make BS diagrams work in any wp, and maybe some centralized development. Tuvalkin (talk) 01:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

BS-endCollapsible was obsoleted because it can be substituted by a simple help:table closing syntax |}. Can you provide the link to the broken map so we can take a look? -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 01:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

It looked awful, yeah, but I fixed them all. No more BS-endCollapsible in wp:pt. If you wanna check the history of pt:Linha do Sul, pt:Linha de Cintura, pt:Linha do Algarve, and pt:Template:CP - Linha do Norte. Tuvalkin (talk) 16:57, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Quiet

It's been so quiet here (watches tumbleweed blow across tracks).

dkpintarDkpintar (talk) 11:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Icons, please

I need BS icons CPICAre, ueUWl, utÜWor and utÜWo+l. Unfortunately I don't have any .svg compatible drawing program. Useddenim (talk) 23:35, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Use a text editor. (Really!) Tuvalkin (talk) 02:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

He's right you know... that's how I created this. In some cases it may be possible to build a complicated icon from simpler components using the overlay feature; in my case it wasn't, because I couldn't find the components (two curves). --Redrose64 (talk) 13:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

They’re all taken care of, now. (Although it would probably be a good idea for someone to double-check my names for   (utÜWt+r) and   (vumCONTg), as my one semester of high-school German hasn’t really equipped me to parse the syntax of the BSicon naming conventions properly…) Useddenim (talk) 18:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

 

You're right; it wasn't that difficult (except for the utÜWt+r: I haven't had to do matrix manipulations since my sophomore year, and had no desire to reacquaint myself with them!) Now, if only someone would create a Drag 'n' Drop editor for the route diagrams… Useddenim (talk) 00:16, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Look good. When I said you can use a text editor, I was thinking of adapting and combining existent icons — create SVGs from scratch in text deserves a medal! ;-) But you need to categorize those two, or else off with your head! Tuvalkin (talk) 23:49, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, where’s the tutorial page for that? Useddenim (talk) 04:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't know of one; so it might be best put them in [[Category:Icons for railway descriptions]] or in [[Category:Icons for railway descriptions/experimental]], that way somebody who knows the system will notice them and find a suitable subcategory of Category:Icons for railway descriptions and put them in there. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Done. Tuvalkin (talk) 03:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Seems that Tuvalkin only categorised two of them, the two directly linked above. I've put the rest (  (uexÜWl),   (utÜWo+l),   (utÜWo+r),   (utÜWol),   (utÜWor),  (uCPICAre) and   (uÜWt+r)) into commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set blue/experimental. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:16, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Except for the last one, I'm not sure they should be in /experimental, as they are just (prefix) variations of existing icons. Useddenim (talk) 15:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, if they're wrong, somebody who knows the system will move them. However, having them in that category is much better than not having them in any category at all. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:24, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Done this time. :-) Tuvalkin (talk) 21:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

The CHRISBOT ate my icons…

Does anyone know why ALOT of icons went kerflooey today? Useddenim (talk) 17:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Oops! Can you point to an example or two? Tuvalkin (talk) 12:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Here it looks like the Chrisbot has been really quiet. Tuvalkin (talk) 12:20, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

See Template:District Line RDT: the left & right CONTs face the wrong way. (The others seem to have been resolved.) Useddenim (talk) 13:16, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

It seems that the  (CONTl) and  (CONTr) icons were exchanged on 9 October - previously, CONTl pointed left, and CONTr pointed right. However, there does not seem to have been a formal task initiated to actually update the various RDTs using them. Some users - such as DBailey635 (talk · contribs) - have fixed up several - but I don't know if it's coordinated action. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:20, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

ID		%	%	t	%	ex	u	%	ut	%	uex	description
CONTl			t
CONTr			t

CONTl & CONTr were the last two icons facing the wrong direction – whereas left and right are usually seen in driving direction, i.e. from top to bottom! axp_de^Hello! 16:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

So what's to be done about the RDTs which now have arrows pointing the wrong way? --Redrose64 (talk) 16:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

This is a big problem. They really shouldn't have been switched until we the community agreed on a systematic way to switch them. Also, I find the new names very unintuitive for template programming: if you want an arrow pointing to the left, you have use one that is intuitively named for the right. Anyone have a link to the discussion where this whole CONT flipping thing and Chrisbot was agreed upon? I guess the only way now is to use AWB and try our best.— Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 19:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

wp:ROUTE#Suffix. I'm the root of all evil. It was me to upload the CONT set in the wrong direction before discussing with the community. Even though the CPIC is in the wrong L/R direction, there's actually a better way to fix it by the bot: rename/create a different root with the correct L/R suffix. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 22:21, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Since many (but not all) of the horizontal icons have a q suffix, is it possible to program a 'bot with enough smarts to check what the icon is in the adjacent position? Useddenim (talk) 23:15, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Really I don't see anyone here familiar with computer/bot programming. Though the rules can be very simple,  (CONTr) for  (STRrf)/ (STRlg),  (ABZrf)/ (ABZlg) or  (ABZdf) on the objective LHS and vice versa -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 23:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

There are several problems derived from the fact that to many people were doing their stuff. The original concept was made by de:User:Bernina, he introduced the the "driving" direction from top to bottom and to see left and right in driving direction.

After the transfer to commons, the project lost it's consistency. Especially en-WP introduced tons of new icons, very often disregarding the original naming convention, e.g. prefix-"H" which should have been a suffix, suffix-"ELEV" that should have been a prefix, ...

But worst of all, en-WP decided to rename icons at their will, e.g. changing prefix order "et" and "ext" to "te" and "tex", ignoring the fact, that other projects still make use of the {{BSe}}-template – especially the project that invented the whole BSicon-system!

In the light of those problems commons:Commons:Icons for railway descriptions should be the right place to discuss BSicon related questions! There (on commons) we discussed several adjustments during the last months, including the question how to name the CONT icons, maybe we should install a central project talk page there ... axp_de^Hello! 11:01, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

You have pointed us at commons:Commons:Icons for railway descriptions stating "There we discussed several adjustments during the last months" - but there are no discussions on that page - and no associated talk page either. Exactly where were these discussions held? --Redrose64 (talk) 12:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I said "there should be the right place". In fact discussions took place at several places, most of the time on several user talk pages as for example commons:user talk:Sameboat, commons:user talk:Erik Baas, commons:user talk:Wiebevl and of course commons:user talk:Axpde. Regards axp_de^Hello! 17:17, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

1. Narrow Gauge (distinction) 2. Disused/abandoned/proposed/not in use/out of use/completely gone

1. I just was intrigued after reading the page on the Welsh Highland Railway why that diagram is red but the mainline is blue = light rail. It's clear that the creators of this diagram were forced to "reverse" the color key to make the distinction between the Welsh Highland Narrow Gauge railway and the Cambrian Line which by definition is a standard gauge heavy rail line.

Could I therefore suggest you create a third color, for instance green for rail networks that are neither heavy or light rail lines e.g. dock railways or mine railways for instance? They may use a smaller gauge, but are no light rail or heavy rail. Just a suggestion but it might help because I was confused by the WHR diagram.

The Canals people have been using   green for unwatered canals, so there's already a good selection of ugICONs that have been created. BTW, I'm also using green on transit RDTs to denote fare-free zones. Useddenim (talk) 23:56, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

2. BTW I think it's confusing to use a light color to indicate that the track is not used, is out of use or there is no longer any rail at all. The color should either represent the track in situ or the track bed. i don't think it should represent both or for that matter an inactive line. It just makes it very confusing when identifying what is new or not. 109.155.66.42 (talk) 22:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

What about lines which are both old and new? Airdrie to Bathgate for instance? -mattbuck (Talk) 00:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

For icons in a variety of colours other than red/pink/dark blue/light blue, see commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/other colors. Don't go mad though - we don't want to dazzle the readers, and must always be mindful of WP:COLOUR. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:31, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Tunnel icons

moved from Wikipedia talk:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/straight tracks

Why are tunnel icons on their own row, instead of in the t column of the base icon? Useddenim (talk) 13:01, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

No idea. But that isn't sopposed to be right.. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 13:03, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, there's no column 'et', 'xt' or 'ext' ... axp_de^Hello! 14:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Horizontal parallel lines station naming problem

Here. Pls advice! --Tuvalkin (talk) 08:54, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Why doesn't anyone update the chart to include available icons?

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/stations.

Why doesn't anyone update the chart to include available icons? Some icons aren't listed in the table despite someone having created and uploaded them already. I'm going to update it but I'm a little worried I don't know the meaning of the j's and u's in the chart. I'm going to put them in there though nonetheless. This chart should be more intuitive. 1 edit. Lambanog (talk) 17:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think there's any meaning to them, they're just random letters - probably any letter would make it work. As for why... well, the people who upload them aren't necessarily from en.wp. I do try and add icons, but then people complain that I named them wrong and remove them without giving a suggestion as to what the right name might be, so in the end I gave up. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:07, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Bility has written this script to catch newly-uploaded (i.e. within the last 7 days) BSicon_*.svg files, which may be useful for keeping the charts up to date. Useddenim (talk) 23:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I have "File:BSicon_uTurmBHFAu.svg" and File:BSicon uexHST-ELEVe.svg that are not included in the catalog. j.reed (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

They're not there for several reasons:

• You uploaded them to en:Wikipedia instead of Wikimedia Commons;
• They're not in any categories;
• They have "bad" (i.e. incorrect) names.

(And as an aside, I see that you created them with Illustrator, which creates larger-than-necessary files. See the new version  (uexhHSTe) that I uploaded for you.) Useddenim (talk) 13:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

"uTurmBHFAu" should have been named (umTHSTACCu). Compare with  (mTHSTACCu). I find it useful to see what the closest existing icon is named, and then try to figure out how the name would be modified by the change I'm making. Useddenim (talk) 23:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Warning! "uTurmBHFAu" is not in Commons yet, although it was created in 2009. Could anyone with en:wp clout run a search for any other cases and move them to Commons? Tuvalkin (talk) 15:42, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. --Tuvalkin (talk) 07:43, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually loading tons of SVG images in the same time causes seriously slowdown to some older machine, not to mention the wp:Template limits which renders some user with slow internet connection unable to load the gigantic catalog at all. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 03:51, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

What's a good page size/length for the catalogue? I've been splitting them as I've expanded the listing over the past year: there's now 13 pages vs. the previous six. Useddenim (talk) 11:37, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate your work on dividing the catalogs, not that I'm complaining anything. I really don't have a concrete standard/threshold to divide the list. But I think if all the images in one catalog require more than 30 seconds to be fully loaded, it is preferably to split it before further expansion of the page. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 06:03, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Someone marked   (ueTurmBHFAu) the same as  (umTHSTACCu), they are not, one should have a closed/inactive station, and the other should have an active station, I've removed the speedy delete. But someone also mentioned that my file   (ueTurmBHFAu) was incorrect due to the 3 problems stated above. j.reed (talk) 04:11, 27 August 2011 (UTC)