Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/July 19

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Today's featured article for July 19, 2017 Today's featured picture for July 19, 2017
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Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/July 18 * Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/July 20

A good candidate:

-- PFHLai 03:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

    • Probably better on August 8 when the actual Battle of Gravelines took place. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

2012 notes[edit]

howcheng {chat} 05:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

If Burmese Martyrs' Day is going to be more or less permanent, then I don't see the point of including Aung San a 7th time since they're aspects of the exact same event. For a general variation of topics, Seneca Falls Convention seems to be a much better choice.
--Peter Isotalo 18:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
The choice was actually between Seneca Falls and SS Great Britain, as those are the only two 19th century items eligible (Aung San was there as the token Asian item (ie, geographic diversity)). I chose the ship because it was only making its second appearance. But since Great Fire of Rome just got put back on for balance, I'll swap that one out as it has been on every single year (although I really should go with one of the 16th century items for greater chronological diversity). BTW, it's not unusual for an event to show at the same time as the holiday/observance that commemorates it. If we always omitted the blurb in favor of the holiday, September 11 attacks would never appear because Patriot Day is always listed, and that would bring howls of protest, as I'm sure you can imagine. howcheng {chat} 21:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I can understand that.
Concerning chronological balance, I would not mind pushing Mary Rose for that purpose, but I really, really like Seneca Falls and I think it deserves some preferential treatment because pure social/political topics like it are pretty rare on the mainpage. That it happens to be about women's rights makes me even more partial to its being included every year.
Peter Isotalo 23:22, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Apart from holidays/observances, no article is guaranteed a spot every year: not even days that many people would consider "important": D-Day, Pearl Harbor, 9/11, etc. Some articles have been repeated yearly but that's almost always on days where the pool of eligible articles is very small. howcheng {chat} 00:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

2013 notes[edit]

howcheng {chat} 05:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm looking through the version history, and I could only find the Great Fire in 2011. Where are the other eight?
Peter Isotalo 15:15, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
See the OTD banner at Talk:Great Fire of Rome. Each link goes to the appropriate version in the revision history. howcheng {chat} 21:15, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Ah. Used to be at 18 July. Thanks.
Peter Isotalo 22:25, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

2014 notes[edit]

howcheng {chat} 06:10, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I suggest replacing the Rome fire with something of higher quality. It's been at "On this day..." almost every year, but has seen little improvement: it's very short (just over 500 words), relies heavily on fairly uncritical use of primary sources and much of the content is not attributed to any sources at all.
Peter Isotalo 10:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
It happened to be the 1,950th anniversary this year... I tend to give preference to round-number anniversaries. howcheng {chat} 16:17, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

2015 notes[edit]

howcheng {chat} 05:44, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

2016 notes[edit]

howcheng {chat} 16:08, 18 July 2016 (UTC)