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Publishing script[edit]

Rather than posting on @Evad37's about this, I thought I should post here. Currently, Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Resources#Publication says that the publishing script does not automate requesting a watchlist notification. It should be fairly easy to add that functionality - this script makes it really easy to add a new section to the current page, and I could configure it to allow use on any page. Should I? --DannyS712 (talk) 00:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

I'ld rather use the mw.Api module directly, as per the rest of the editing the script does, instead of requiring the loading of another script. It's not hard to specify appending a new section - Evad37 [talk] 00:52, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
@Evad37: that's what I meant - I can rewrite my script to always add to that specific page, and you can copy it. My suggestion wasn't the importation, but rather automating the request for a watchlist notification. --DannyS712 (talk) 00:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Sure, does sound like a sensible idea. If you want to code something up I'll take a look. Feel free to make a sandbox copy of the publishing script and edit that, if you want to. - Evad37 [talk] 01:05, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
@Evad37: User:DannyS712 test/sps.js is a fork of the script, with the added step 14 of requesting the mass message. See the changes I made at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ComparePages?page1=User%3AEvad37%2FSPS.js&rev1=&page2=User%3ADannyS712+test%2Fsps.js&rev2=&action=&diffonly=&unhide=&diffmode=source. I ran it a couple of times in dry-run, and it seems to work fine --DannyS712 (talk) 02:00, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
If that works, I'll start working on the other on-wiki step that isn't automated (Cleanup the newsroom). That one should be pretty straight forward. --DannyS712 (talk) 02:04, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 Done I just made a couple of minor changes (specify the month name in the section title, fixing some of my mistakes in comments, etc) - Evad37 [talk] 05:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
@Evad37: Okay. After the next release, if everything works according to plan, I'll send you a version that automates the newsroom cleanup. Until then, you should probably remove me from the list of approved users - I don't have the rights, nor the community support --DannyS712 (talk) 05:32, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
@Chris troutman: I just wanted to make you aware of this, since I believe it is you that actually publishes each issue. I'll check that the watchlist request was made properly once I see the issue sent out, but just so you know starting this month we are attempting to automate requesting watchlist notifications. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 01:00, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── @DannyS712, Evad37, and Chris troutman: - could you make sure that the script removes the new {{Signpost draft helper}} from drafts upon publishing? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:48, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@Headbomb: I'm not part of that, its all Evad's code. Once they get it working with the new newsroom, I'll look into helping clean up the newsroom automatically, but that should probably wait a release or two to ensure that your redesign works. --DannyS712 (talk) 01:55, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
@DannyS712, Evad37, and Chris troutman: cleaning up the newsroom is done by substing a template, so that doesn't need to change. What would need to 'change' is removing {{Signpost draft helper}} from drafts before publication. If this can't be automated, there's a safety check in there to make sure that the draft helper only display in the drafts. (At least I think I put that in. If not I'll add it soon.) But it's stray code that can be removed from published version. It's easy to remove manually before publication though, just a bit tedious. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:06, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
I'll be updating the publication script either this weekend or next week. Removing {{Signpost draft helper}} won't be a problem. - Evad37 [talk] 09:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

WMF blog link[edit]

The link to the WMF blog on the About page, [[wmfblog:|Wikimedia Foundation Blog]], currently points to a "We've moved!" page at blog.wikimedia.org. It should be directed to wikimediafoundation.org/news. I would have done it myself but I'm not sure how the wmfblog: redirect works. –dlthewave 12:12, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Ed Erhart (WMF): Can you manage wmf redirects? This seems out of Wikimedia community control. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:01, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi. I wouldn't want to retarget that shortlink because it would break all of the existing links. Can the about page link not be converted to a regular external link? Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 20:21, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Or foundationsite:news per meta:Interwiki map? --Pipetricker (talk) 23:16, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

I changed it to foundationsite:news with no prejudice against other viable options. –dlthewave 17:20, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Outside coverage on paid editing[edit]

Somebody should probably have a writeup of these reports, even if they are biased sources:

205.175.106.106 (talk) 18:43, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

See WP:Wikipedia Signpost/2019-03-31/In the media pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 19:21, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Editorial team[edit]

Thank you Pythoncoder for adding a disclaimer about editor transition/turnover. Would it make sense to include a masthead or "official" list of editors within each issue, to eliminate any confusion over who oversaw publication? –dlthewave 15:42, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Pythoncoder , Dlthewave, isn't this a bit OTT? The Newsroom has been in a period of transition since April last year when the then E-i-C abandoned it without so much as a word, and on and off for years. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:01, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
I mean everyone was “interim” but the core team was sort of consistent. There was you and Bri on the editorial team (Bri also did arb report), Evad was editor emeritus/tech report, I was editor/discussion report, Chris was publication manager, Barbara was humor, (checks notes) Acorri was traffic report, and Tbayer was recent research.
Now, we've got Smallbones at EiC, Chris still PM, I'm still on discussion report (though Headbomb stole half of it this month, no hard feelings, I’ll just need to write it faster; also funny to see that this’ll be my 12th issue and yet I’ve been here the longest out of almost anybody), then Evad, Headbomb, Danny, Matt, Rasberry, and Dlthewave are in there somewhere??? (Apologies for putting anyone on the spot, this is as best I can figure it out right now, I probably got something wrong.) My head is spinning. This is more confusing than Brexit. — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 12:45, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

New header[edit]

I've improved the banners at the top of the page here see old version.

Particular improvements include

  • Removing an annoying The Signpost feedback header which showed up above the TOC
  • Using standard message boxes for the information about where to discuss what at the top
  • Using a horizontal archive box to save on vertical space
  • Generally improved and more consistant looks at all scales

Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:47, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Who are the similar publications in other languages?[edit]

There's de:WP:Kurier in German. Who else? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:59, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata is your friend: d:Q7395165#sitelinks-wikipedia. – Ammarpad (talk) 18:03, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Couple of minor issues[edit]

I noticed that the archive box at the top of this page doesn't have links to the archive pages (it says "no archives yet"). Also, the "Previous issue" link at the bottom of the current issue leads to the Newsroom instead of the 2/28 issue. –dlthewave 21:05, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

That's because @Anthony Appleyard: deleted the page under WP:CSD#G8. Surely this is a mistake. I'll investigate the issue with the footer. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:14, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
The footer functionality seems to have been broken since 2016. I've fixed it for this month, although this will require an update from @Evad37:. See [1]. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
@Headbomb: Sure, I can get the script to add the previous issue date in the switch's |3=. Not sure what the point of |4= and |5= are nowdays. They only seem to be used in the preload templates (where they've been outputting blank values for 2 years without a problem, and should probably just be removed) and Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue (which could use the fixed value "Next issue" instead of {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Issue|4}}, and could calculate the the next volume/issue numbers based on {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Issue|2}} instead of needing {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Issue|5}}). - Evad37 [talk] 03:31, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
If you want to tweak Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue to make use of fixed dates/calculated volumes and such instead, go right ahead. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:34, 18 April 2019 (UTC)