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Section on Books[edit]

In the section "Maithili Books, all the books and the images are of one single author. I do not think that wikipedia should be used by anyone to promote commercial interest. I strongly feel that the present contents of this section should be removed and list of books, specially those which have won Sahitya Kala Academy Awards or other awards should be mentioned here. Any attempts to gain commercial benefits from wikipedia should be strongly discouraged. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.16.140.84 (talk) 07:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

It is wrongly written that the Maithili speaking population is 24 million. The actual number of Maithili speaking population is only 10 Lakh. Maithili language is spoken mainly in Darbhanga,Madhubani and part of Saharsa, Madhepura, and Supoul districts of Bihar. yes

I have recently created a page for Mithilakshar and now it is linked to this page. Please visit. It has the script uploaded.

Reply: The confusion regarding the number of speakers of Maithili is dual:

  • The exact definition of Maithili language is vague and some times taken to include speakers of other related dialects which are sometimes classified under Magahi, Bhojpuri, Nepali or others.
  • There are quite a substantial number of speakers of Maithili in Nepal. The wikipedia page of Nepal puts the figure to 12.1% of the Nepalese population which comes to about 3255960 ,ie 3.25 million.

Rohitcadz 13:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

User Language Template for Maithili-Wikipedia:Babel[edit]

I have (painstakingly!) edited the Wikipedia:Babel page and created a category for maithili and the templates. These are used in the user pages and make it easier to contact who communicate in a certain (eg maithili) language. All Maithili speakers (with varying degree of proficiencies) please add the relevant userbox to your user pages. Please also try to improve the user box as I am not very proficient at it. Rohitcadz 13:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

classified as a mother tongue of Hindi in the Census of India.[edit]

Somebody please explain this expression. Does it mean that Hindi is a dialect of or derived from Maithili? Is "mother tongue" the official term? O'RyanW ( ) 10:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Or does it mean (as I suspect) that the census counts Maithili speakers as Hindi speakers? --Haruo 19:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
This Census of India page for 1991 seems to say that 7,766,597 people reported themselves as native speakers of Maithili and as also speaking Hindi. Do I read it correctly? Is this the basis for th classified as a "mother tongue" of Hindi in the Census line in the first paragraph?
Does the census also elsewhere claim that all speakers of Maithili speak Hindi? I hve not yet found any other mention of Maithili in the 1991 census. I note that the infobox at the head of the article says total speakers come to 45 million while Ethnologue puts the "population count at 22,000,000 (1981) in India and 24,795,582 for all countries.
I have not found mention in the census of "mother tongue" in the (unusual) sense of etymological source language. The intent of the "mother tongue" statement in the lead paragraph remains unclear to me. In any case it should be clarified and brought in line with (and cite) whatever census claim it purports to report. O'RyanW ( ) 18:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
A "mother tongue" is basically a subset of a language. So Hindi includes Maithili and Awadhi and whatever else. john k (talk) 13:24, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Modern Maithili writers[edit]

  • Late Ramji Chaudhary (19th century)
  • Shri Vedanand Jha
  • Dr. Mayanand Mishra
  • Shri Nishi Kant Jha
  • Shri Mahendra Malangia
  • Parmeshwar Jha
  • Sitaram Jha
  • Kabishekhar Badrinath Jha
  • Murali Jha
  • Surendranath Jha Suman
  • Kashikant Mishra Madhup
  • Chandranath Mishra Amar

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  • Acharya Sarvnarayan jha
  • Dinesh Chandra Mishra
  • Ishnath Jha
  • Late Bal Govind Jha "Vyateeth"
  • Shri Shambhu Nath Jha "Mahinathpur, Jaynagar"
  • Brajkishore Verma "Manipadma"
  • Dr. Binod Bihari Verma
  • Prof. Radha Krishna Choudhary
  • Dr. Prem Shankar Singh
  • Suniti Kumar Chatterrjee
  • Acharya Surendra Jha 'Suman'
  • Baidyanath Mishra Yatri (Nagarjun)
  • Sudhanshu Shekhar Choudhary
  • Upendra Nath Jha Vyas
  • Prof. Radha Kant Jha
  • Mahamahopadhyay Umesh Mishra
  • Dr. Jayamant Mishra
  • Prof. Saryu Prasad Mishra 'Anand'
  • Prof. Krishna Kant Mishra
  • Kumar Ganganand Singh
  • Dr Chandra Nath Jha(Mangarauni)
  • Sri Gaya Nand Jha kaviji (Antour, Benipur)
  • Sri Hemant Kumar Jha (Antour, Benipur)
  • Sri Jiv Narayan Thakur
  • Dr. Ramanath Jha
  • Prof. Tantra Nath Jha
  • Acharya Ramlochan Saran
  • Dr. Laxman Jha Dr. Subhadra Jha
  • Achutanand Dutt
  • Bhola Lal Das
  • Baidyanath Jha
  • Yoganand Jha
  • Narendra Das
  • Rajeshwar Jha
  • Arsi Prasad Singh
  • Prof. Buddhidhari Singh Ramakar
  • Late Damodar Lal Das
  • Sri Brahmadeo Lal Das (Co-author of 'Maithili Shubh Samskar—Vidhi Vidhan Va Geet')
  • Sri Ratnesh Kumar Jha Kolkatiya
  • Prof. Uma Nath Jha and many more.
  • Man Mohan Jha
  • Professor Vijay Kumar Jha (Mahatma Gandhi Antarrashtriya Hindi Vishwavidyalaya, Wardha)
  • [Er. Sanjay Kumar Mishra "Rajesh" (Vill.- Ladari, Dist.- Darbhanga, State- Bihar, India-847121)]
  • Smt Bindeshwari Das (Co-author of 'Maithili Shubh Samskar—Vidhi Vidhan Va Geet')
  • Babuaji Jha Ajnat
  • Shri Murali Madhusudan Thakur
  • Shri Vibhuti Anand Jha
  • Shri Ratnesh Kumar Jha.
  • Pt. Shri Deokant Mishra
  • Indra Kant Lal
  • Late Munshi Raghunandan Lal Das
  • Vishnu Kumar
  • Late Janardan Prasad Singh "Vaarid"
  • Late Shree Vedanand Thakur, Kahra
  • Parichay Das — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.180.233.34 (talk) 07:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I have removed this section from the main body of the article and let the editors of this page first discuss it here (on the talk page) on whom to include in this section and on what criteria! This is a Wikipedia, an encyclopedia and not internet, or newspaper, or an self-publication board. Thanks. HopeChrist (talk) 21:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, do we need this section? or do we modify it, so that those who are seeking self-gain should not be entertained?!?! Please discuss. Thanks. HopeChrist (talk) 21:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Maithil vs Maithili[edit]

I am not a native speaker of Maithili (I don't speak Maithili at all and understand just a few words). However, in one of my textbooks, however, I remember that Maithili language was referred to as Maithil (without the tailing i). Is that correct or was that a typo or something? Does anyone refer to Maithili language as Maithil at all? Thanks Kushal (talk) 17:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

The article Maithil does shed some light on the matter. Kushal (talk) 17:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC) maithil are the people who speak maithili language or live in mithilanchal.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.253.84.180 (talk) 13:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, my aunt, a translator fluent in both Hindi/Urdu and Maithili, has always said "Maithili" for the language, "the Maithili people" for the demographic, and "Maithil(s)" for specific people. In the last edits the occurrences of Maithil, where it seemed to be referring to the culture or the literature, were changed to Maithili. Flipping Mackerel (talk) 04:03, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Maithili language template[edit]

If you are a native speaker of Maithili then you can help translate this template into your own language:

Actual Number of Speakers[edit]

As per Ethnologue no. of Maithili Speakers in the year 2000 is 31,900,000. As per the 2001 census of India,no. of Maithili Speakers 12,179,122. Which one is REALISTIC?? Various organizations have strongly argued that the actual number of Maithili speakers is much less than the official data suggests.Yes, I Dr. Dhanakar Thakur,MBBS,MD(Gen Med), DCH, Founder president, Antarrashtriy Maithili Parishad put the answer- A logical calculation of Maithili speaker would be a figure of around 43.8 million in Maithili speaking districts of Bihar ( Standard Maithili- Madhubani, Darnhanga,Supaul, Saharsa,. Madhepura districts; Southern Standard- Samastipur, Begusarai, Khagaria districts + Naugachhia subdivision of Bhagalpur; Eastern standard- Purnea , katihar, Araria, Kishanganj districts; Western standard- Sitamarhi, Sheohar,Muzaffarpur,Vaishali districtsd; Chika-Chiki or southern - Munger, Lakhisarai, Jamui, Bhaglpur, Banka,) and Jharkhand ‘s Godda, Deoghar and also parts of Sahebganj, Dumka, Jamtara ) and over all population of Maithili speakers in India should be 47.9 million ( which in 2001 census was recorded only 12.179122 million ; linguistic data of 2011 is awaited); It is derived from the 4.67 times rise in the figure of 1,02,63,357 based on 1891 census of India, computed by George A. Grierson in his Linguistic Survey of India in early 20th century before 1912 when Bihar was carved out from Bengal,(Ref. If we dilate his figures based on 1891 census (given on page 17 of the Linguistic Survey of India, Vol.5, Part II). If we go through the Census Statistics for Bihar, we will find that in 1891 Bihar’s total population was 28.2 million which in 2011 has grown to 103.8 million and of Jharkhand’s 32.9 millions i.e. 136.7 millions meaning a 4.67 times rise till 2011.

The discrepancy is because of the anti-Maithili attitude of the Govt. of Bihar in particular and non-Maithili speaking Biharis in general which has presented a shoddy picture. The language from Tripura(via Bengladesh) to Bengal and Jharkhand/ Bihar’s border about 600 km apart is Bangla but from Deoghar to Darbhanga in 230 km is changed to Angika and Vajjika before it is called Maithili! It is the greatest linguistic fraud in past one century in the history of India and has halted the formation of a homogenous Mithila state and thwarted the progress and prosperity of Maithili language and its various dialects as well as the region by the Hindi chuvnistics on the policy of ‘divide and rule’ while Maithils always aliked to replace English for official work and are of the view that simplified Sanskrit be declared ‘National Language of India.’ Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page). </ref> Could someone like lo explain these contradiction..please?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angpradesh (talkcontribs) 18:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


mai This user is a native speaker of Maithili.

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--Amazonien (talk) 04:48, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

In accordance with WP:RS we can include any estimated number of speakers that are reported in Reliable Sources, and perhaps note variations in estimates with a note (eg 'the census used a narrower definition of a speaker'). We should not include the results of our own research WP:NOR or analysis in the wiki entry.Martinlc (talk) 13:19, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

History - copyvio[edit]

Much of the history section is a copyvio of LIS-India and therefore needs to be rewritten or removed. Martinlc (talk) 12:09, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Mis-classification?[edit]

The article seems to be pushing a non-standard POV with respect to classification. It contends that the classification of Maithili as a Bihari language is a mistake perpetrated by 19th century linguists. But Ethnologue classifies Maithili as a Bihari language, along with Bhojpuri, Magadhi, Angika, and others. Britannica refers to Maithili as a Bihari language along with Bhojpuri and Magadhi. Is Maithili nationalist POV pushing going on in this article? john k (talk) 13:28, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

It would be better if the different versions were sourced , so that "early linguistic.... but later scholars eg have said..." Please fix itMartinlc (talk) 19:14, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I tried to source different versions but some casteist/ racist ids like Akshat38, MithilaDesham, Vikas11004315 and many created by one or two persons are hell bent upon giving wikipedia articles casteist/ racist tinge. These pseudo nationalists are damaging articles related to Mithila and Maithili, and I sometimes fear that there is a system failure at wikipedia. I day and night tries to translate English into Maithili (localization for wikipedia article), but these people seem to be here at wikipedia for deletion. whenever I am away for a week or fortnight they start vandalism, and putting unsourced extremism.

But I will try that these articles remain neutral.--Umeshberma (talk) 16:35, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Introductory section is too detailed[edit]

I moved lists of Maithili-speaking districts into its own section. Perhaps something similar can be done with more of the introduction to this article as it has become too long and detailed.

The first paragraph in the introduction launches into the evolution of the language. Doesn't this material belong in the History section? Also this part is full of unexplained and unreferenced words such as "Vedic Sanskrit", "Kaukik Sanskrit", "Pali", "Prakrit", etc. etc. A lay reader will soon become lost in this forest. This is a problem afflicting other parts of the article (see below).LADave (talk) 21:38, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Too many unfamiliar words that are unreferenced and unlinked![edit]

This article has vast numbers of personal names, literary titles and other terms that are unfamiliar to the vast majority of readers living outside and perhaps even the majority of those living on the Indian subcontinent.

The purpose of Wikipedia is not for authors to show off their edification, but to widely share it! I hope the Maithili-speaking and -interested community will get busy and fix this. Some unreferenced terms actually already have Wikipedia articles that can easily be linked to. As for those that don't, perhaps articles need to be written. Stubs at least, to begin! Otherwise unfamiliar names, titles and terms that don't merit WP articles should be removed from this article. LADave (talk) 18:45, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Agree !! Haven't looked at the article in quite some time, and am somewhat disappointed about its shape now -- no longer clearly arranged nor properly referenced any more. I feel, this needs a severe cleanup and a {{multiple issues}} tag -- BhagyaMani (talk) 17:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your input, Bhagyamani. Can you do some of the work to fix up the article? I worked on the article a little in conjunction with other work on Nepal-related articles, but I actually don't know any Maithili at all. I am afraid to do more without better qualifications! Cheers, LADave (talk) 00:52, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi all, in particular Sitush and Ponyo! While I appreciate the protection log, I do not understand why Sitush reverted my contributions of yesterday. In the past years I edited this article every once in a while, always with the focus of verifying added unreferenced infos and finding relevant scientific sources. Sometimes this meant reverting false statements. I admit that the difference in my yesterday's first go is a bit difficult to track and comprehend but these changes are well sourced. So please explain what you think was wrong with that. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:29, 10 July 2014 (UTC)