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Anti-Black Racism[edit]

References to Gandhi's antiblack racism and sources have been hogwashed by Gandhi propagandists. I propose to add Gandhi's well-documented evidence of segregation of Indian from Blacks at Durban Post Office and his war campaign against Blacks during Boer war.

Andrew Roberts, Wall Street Journal [1]

Irene Monroe, Huffington Post [2]

Spandaze (talk) 01:27, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

..This artice reads like an advertisement. From the mis-representation of Gandhi's views on the Indian labourers in South Africa, through the total avoidance of Gandhi's views about being classed in South Africa with the black Africans and the terms he uses to describe black Africans, to the misleading presentation of "forced the government to adopt an equitable arrangement (Poona Pact)" in his efforts to continue the oppression of the untouchables, it's a biased, POV riddled whitewash. Please add as much RS material as you can find to present a NPOV on the topic. 49.182.174.40 (talk) 10:37, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

formatting error[edit]

Indentation error after the Einstein quotation. Article's semi-protected status means anonymous users can't make the correction.

edit required[edit]

A line mentions - Indians widely describe Gandhi as the father of the nation.[10][11] Here it needs to be mentioned that this is not official and even constitutions does not allow such titles to be used. The citation for above line already have this detail — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.111.95.19 (talk) 05:28, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

The wikilink makes it clear that it is an honorific and that level of detail is not needed. --NeilN talk to me 09:41, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Mahatma?[edit]

I took much time to go through these records but none of the reasons could convince me why M.K. Gandhi is still called Mahatma in an encyclopedia. [Oxford database] calls him Gandhi, Mohandas Karamchand [known as Mahatma Gandhi], Britannica calls him Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, byname Mahatma (“Great-Souled”) Gandhi, Encyclopaedia.com have Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (no mention of byname) and not even half a dozen of Internet encyclopedias have an article with name Mahatma Gandhi. Then why in Wikipedia? Is WP:Naming conventions an excuse or is it the respect to that great soul? Then why not Akbar the Great or Ashoka the great or even Jesus Christ? We don't have Sir Issac Newton or such..Now please don't take this my hated, I respect and adore him and he's my idol, but in that case, others must have the same privilege. So I am proposing a move Mahatma Gandhi -> Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. Thank you..--The Herald 15:57, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't think that this should be discussed here. Per WP:RM/CM, the discussion belongs at the talk page of the article you want moved, i.e. at Talk:Mahatma Gandhi. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:47, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Well..I am quite sure about that. But may be this may do more good than that. Anyway, I'll have to go for an RfC there. The Herald 16:51, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
The RS call him Mahatma is the basic reason. Google lists 6700 books with "Mahatma" in title, and Amazon has 1800. We follow them not tertiary sources. Rjensen (talk) 23:06, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment Summoned here by bot. Under WP:COMMONNAME it clearly is Mahatma. Coretheapple (talk) 17:52, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Summoned by bot. We should continue to use Mahatma Gandhi for the page. Fraulein451 (talk) 03:30, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
  • The name is indeed Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, but per WP:COMMONNAME it should remain Mahatma Gandhi. - Cwobeel (talk) 05:00, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Do not move Here by RfC bot. @Rjensen: You made a reasonable request and probably do not know this has been debated before. To sum up: Wikipedia is not like other Encyclopedias that organize subjects only by their "official" name. Policy (WP:COMMONNAME) is "Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources)" - if you head over there, you'll see the very first example is this article. Thus Wikipedia uses as article name: Alexander the Great, Suleiman the Magnificent, and Mother Teresa - as well as Bono, Cher and even Common (rapper). Because Wikipedia exists digitally, all subjects are also easily finable by their full legal names as well. According to sources (NYT), Mahatma Gandhi was known by this name universally. Thus Wikipedia will use that name for the article title. Cheers, EBY (talk) 01:46, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment -We are not governed by other encyclopedias. We are different from them in many aspects, as such free encyclopedia, openly editable model, collaborative project, consensus-based decisions, and also have different set of policies and guidelines that include WP:COMMONNAME one of them (See also, WP:NAMINGCRITERIA). Wikipedia relies on third-party, reliable sources, not unreliable sources. And, as user-generated contents (other encyclopedias) are not considered reliable sources, this could be not a valid ground to make a point using COMMONNAME. Google search results around 2,82,00,000 entries for "Mahatma Gandhi" and 5,86,000 for "Mohandas Karamchand Gandi". It doesn't suggest, but may give us a fair idea on what is frequently used to name the subject of the article. However, I'm not sure why an editor in good standing would invoke WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Please let it be as it is. Thank you! Anupmehra -Let's talk! 08:42, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Do not move Per WP:COMMONNAME and, also the fact that the Indian banknotes say Mahatma Gandhi. Metro stations/bus stations in India are also named Mahatma Gandhi and not MK Gandhi. The argument posed about Ashoka the Great is valid to a certain extent, but he is commonly referred to as Samrat Ashok. However, Alexander is still referred to as Alex the Great. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 05:57, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Do not move As mentioned above, Wikipedia is not governed by other encyclopedia. The best example would be Mother Teresa, her article has some other title in Britannica. Moreover WP:COMMONNAME is Mahatma. -sarvajna (talk) 08:22, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Do not move. Per WP:COMMONNAME - see this ngram.  Philg88 talk 09:35, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Do not move. Per WP:COMMONNAME --AmritasyaPutraT 15:57, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Do not move - Just go through the move requests in the archives. It has been discussed several times before. Harsh (talk) 20:25, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Do not move RFC bot asked me to SNOW on this. Philg88's ngram is pretty definitive, article is currently at the common name. The policy is for a reason, a reader searching for MK Gandhi that gets Mahatma is unlikely is be confused, but a reader searching for Mahatma that gets Mohandas Karamchand will have to start reading to know they are in the right place. Reventtalk 11:45, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Move to Gandhi Gandhi already redirects here and is recognizable, concise, precise and natural (per WP:AT . Mahatma is an honorific and should be avoided (per WP:HONORIFIC). --regentspark (comment) 13:37, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Do not move -per my comment above. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 17:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Do not move For some people, their honorifics have been used for so often and so widely that they have essentially become a part of their names. Rare gems of humanity that we should admire and celebrate. Kautilya3 (talk) 13:43, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

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  1. ^ http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703529004576160371482469358
  2. ^ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/irene-monroe/the-gandhi-none-of-us-kne_b_842941.html