Talk:Peter Kropotkin

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Punt and Dennis[edit]

The short lived Punt and Dennis BBC1 sketchshow featured a James Bond style spy parody whose nemesis was named Kropotkin, worth adding to the article? Probably not. But I thought i would throw that out there! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.67.202.168 (talk) 23:28, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

spelling out dates[edit]

I think it is plain that spelling out the months in dates will be clearer to most readers. Many people will read 1842-02-09 as 1842, 02-09, which is ambiguous. Furthermore, the ISO convention is not widely used, so at the very least one would need a link to an article explaining it. AxelBoldt

link[edit]

http://anarchive.virtualave.net/pers-kropot.htm - nonworking link --87.240.13.68 17:57, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9MH9HtB_-A - add link (Funeral of Peter Kropotkin)

Betrayal[edit]

I think we should include somewhere in this article that he betrayed his country and his class, which, of course, he did. (Counter-revolutionary 19:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC))

That's your opinion, not a verifiable fact. Mike Dillon 21:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
But as a country which, at this stage, was a monarchy he was betraying it in bringing about anorchism, also he is obviously betraying a class which was totally opposed to these beliefs. (Counter-revolutionary 01:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC))
No, he was just attacking his own status. That's not "betrayal". If I were a member of the government and attacked its current practices, that's not betrayal. Betrayal is someone like Wang Jingwei. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 13:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Propaganda of the Deed[edit]

Even if we dont post it on the main page, could a Kropotkin scholar please direct me to his works dealing with the propaganda of the deed? Freddieresearch 19:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Britannica[edit]

What kind of articles did he write for Britannica? Have they been used as a source for Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.20.17.84 (talk) 10:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe he wrote the article on anarchism, maybe others; the 1911 Britannica -- which had essays by other luminaries such as Freud -- is public domain and was used as source material for Wikipedia. --lquilter 01:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
He wrote the entry for anarchism, as well as some geography articles and possibly some science articles. ~ Switch () 11:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Kropotkin's Will[edit]

Not quite certain where to put this, but it is of relevance: I was just checking something in The Times on microfilm and, on 12 October 1921, page 1, there is an advertisement by a London based firm of solicitors seeking the whereabouts of Kropotkin's will, written in 1913. Jackiespeel 16:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Timeline[edit]

The Spartakus site at [[1]] has Kropotkin being in Brighton 1912-1917 (the Historical Directory site gives the Brighton address), whence he went to Russia after the Revolution. Jackiespeel 16:28, 2 March 2007

I have partially updated the timeline - more research needs to be done. Jackiespeel 18:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Flags[edit]

Question - should the second flag (against Kropotkin's date of death) be the Soviet flag? Jackiespeel 16:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Prince, Duke and Knyaz[edit]

Hello everybody! Is it ok to call Kropotkin "Prince"? In Russian he is called "Knyaz", in English the best word for it is "Duke". Just not to make misunderstandings. --Nagasheus (talk) 16:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

"Prince" is at least as good a translation as "Duke." I'd say better. The Russian (borrowed from the German, I think) word for Duke is actually "Gertsag." 24.47.154.230 (talk) 20:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
"Prince" is the designation I've always heard given Kropotkin. It also fits with the standard translation Prince Igor of the title of a Russian work from Kropotkin's lifetime that again has "Knyaz" in the original Russian.--Peter cohen (talk) 15:35, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Philosophy[edit]

There is very little information on this man's philosophy in this article and what there is is scattered about, which is odd seeing as he's a philosopher. Anyone want to help me start a section on it? Zazaban (talk) 23:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Citations[edit]

There is only one citation listed in the article. Resources, please.Leebeck33 (talk) 14:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Communist?[edit]

I don't believe labeling Kropotkin as a communist is accurate, for this would entail his belief in a large, centralized government, which most assuredly he did not. Any cursory reading of Kropotkin's chapters in Mutual Aid on medieval towns shows his inclination towards local communities, not central states.Leebeck33 (talk) 14:57, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

see anarchist communism, please. Zazaban (talk) 21:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Zazaban - Excellent point, and I was about to suggest clarifying Kropotkin as an "anarchist communist," but I see in the discussions under anarchist communism that there is some dispute in the use of this label. Nevertheless, the clarification would help if it doesn't stir more controversy than it's worth, since "communist" generally suggests Soviet-style, central-state communism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leebeck33 (talkcontribs) 17:32, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
The communist label is correct. He was a self-identified communist. It's not a label reserved exclusively for marxist-leninists. Zazaban (talk) 21:38, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Where did Kropotkin identify himself as a communist? Source. Also, was this identification before or after his disenchantment with the Bolshevik revolution? Also, is there any instance of anarcho-communism ever existing? --Leebeck33 (talk) 15:38, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't have a source (at the moment), but why do you ask if there is any instance of anarcho-communism ever existing? That is totally irrelevant to whether Kropotkin was one. --N-k (talk) 18:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Example of anarcho-communism existing: Paris Commune of 1871 perhaps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.212.57 (talk) 00:13, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

FYI[edit]

If people who watch this page are also interested in how Wikipedia is governed, be sure to check out this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Advisory_Council_on_Project_Development . Slrubenstein | Talk 13:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

beard[edit]

didnt he have ringworm under that beard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.254.35 (talk) 04:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Ideas?[edit]

I am shocked to see that someone labelled as an intellectual and a major influence of anarchism has almost a two page article without a mention to his political ideas. (except stating he is anarchist-communist) Books mentioned, activism is mentioned, but the ideas and organizations he recommends are absent. I'll try to get information through other means to add to this, but this article as long and correct as it might be, lacks a core content. --Iv (talk) 08:36, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree, this is bizarre. Zazaban (talk) 19:00, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Created a section on his ideas. Zazaban (talk) 09:37, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Found a few other external links[edit]

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_Archives/kropotkin/revpamphlets/toc.html - Kropotkin's Revolutionary Pamphlets

Seems to be some links on Wikiquote related to Peter Kropotkin and his works which aren't listed here. I'm not used to be editing Wikipedia, except the occasional spelling error, so if anyone could go ahead and copy the missing links from there to the Wikipedia article on him and vice versa.

Yours faithfully,

Anonymous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.231.99.113 (talk) 09:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

"by authoritarian rather than libertarian methods"[edit]

I have been consuming a mono-diet of Kropotikin as the foundation (as it were) of anarchy as it evolved during my time as an activist in "la lucha" of the Lower East Side of NY during the 1980s. I was surprised to find marginal anarchists who are really capitalistic libertarians claiming an egotistic individualism as the basis of anarchy(which I can show to be a hard-to-treat personality disorder). I found some validity in this (though it contradicted my decade-long experience) in that so many anarchists have been terroristic, which is egotistical. And sure enough, classical libertarianism is in fact egotistical.

My point here is that "being libertarian" in Pytor's day is very different than today's libertarianism, which I feel is best represented by the anti-Yankee Tea Party with Sarah Palin. The definitions are confusing, and I am wondering if we need to find different terms to stress this anarchistic thread which is social and should have been pacifist and native-supporting. --John Bessa (talk) 14:11, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I should mention that I changed the line, double-checked the source (google books is useful!) and reverted my change. Still I think it is one of the biggest issues of our time, yet subtle--definitive in the sense of basic definitions. Another abstraction that may show a North American answer to Pytor's philosophy is Carl Rogers' personality theory or "19 point proposal" that extends pragmatism with its ideas of "self, experience, and process" to become person-oriented (or client-driven) therapy.--John Bessa (talk) 12:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)