Talk:The Holocaust

Institutional collaboration

Perhaps there can be a reference to Archbishop Damaskinos of Athens and his call, along with members of the greek academic community, to halt the deportation of Greek Jews from Nazi occupied Greece. Damaskinos formally protested against the deportation, clashed with the german authorities and was threatened to be shot, in an incident documented by "The International Raoul Wallenberg Foundation" (http://www.raoulwallenberg.net/general/greek-orthodox-church-academic/).

Apart from that, the greek version of the article about the Archibishop claims that he ordered the priests to supply the Jews with certificates of (orthodox) baptism, in order to rescue them from arrest by the Nazis, but i can't provide any source for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.86.12 (talk) 15:20, 1 October 2011

Edit request on 4 February 2012

My permission request involves only the limited editing of the amount of material provided. I wish to highlight certain portions of the material for use in a book I am writing regarding religious wars, in which I note as "UNholy Wars." I request permission as well for use of certain pictures found in this article. My book is serious, historical, informative and meant to continue to provide generations of the autocities that did in fact take place. E-mail; kathyrybolt@yahoo.com NktlobyR (talk) 23:24, 4 February 2012 (UTC) NktlobyR (talk) 23:24, 4 February 2012 (UTC) NktlobyR (talk) 23:24, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

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The 'political left?'

Grouping Nazism's political enemies by describing them as "the political left" is inaccurate by today's standards, and probably by the standards of 1940. More to the point, it's misleading, I think intentionally so. Left-leaning historians have been busy over the past seventy years or so trying to make "the left" look good by depicting it as the polar opposite of evil Nazism, despite the fact that Nazism had many enemies on the right (including practically every organized church in Europe) and despite the fact that Nazism itself was a leftist philosophy, as the name itself -- National Socialist German Workers' Party -- so loudly proclaims. The "socialists" mentioned in the article as enemies were largely Social Democrats, a group FAR to the right of the Nazis.

Perhaps we could re-head the section with something like "Political Opponents." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbone0106 (talk • contribs) 04:35, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

That's utter baloney. The Nazis identified themselves as defenders of German traditions and opposed to the internationalism of the left. Why do you assume that organised churches are "on the right"? It had opponentrs on the right, for sure. All parties have opponents within thieir own wing. Stalin had opponents on the left. But all their supporters internationally were conservative authoritarian regimes. Calling Social Democrats far to trhe right of ther Nazis is laughable. Paul B (talk) 16:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

remove Paul Johnson's excerpt 175

I believe that this opinion ignores the fact that the Nazi were able to convince many other to negotiate rather then fight including Josef Stalin and Neville Chamberlain hardly people steeped in a "millennium and a half""negotiate, to pay, to plead, to protest, not to fight."

When the truth of Jewish situation became clear the Jews fought against overwhelming odds. The Nazi murder of the Jews (many their own citizens some their own military ) was total irrational that was the reason that they were able to convince many people that the camps were work camps and that mechanized murder was not taking place.

Slave laborers were taken from every part of Europe many of them able bodied men from conquered armies. They were worked to death or out right killed as were the Jews. Paul Johnson's opinion just perpetuates myths of Jewish passiveness and ignore overwhelming force and deception.

Weldon999 (talk) 14:29, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

You may be right that there is no reason to single out Johnson's views, but they do seem to fit into the context. There is a discussion above of the systematic deception involved, and there was in practice no chance of fighting back except in very localised contexts. Even then the Nazis showed that they'd be utterly vicious in reprisals on innocent people in revenge for any attempts to fight back. I don't think any 'myths' are being perpetuated. Paul B (talk) 20:25, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

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Article title

Why is "the" in our page title? It's really only appropriate when we'd capitalise "The" in the middle of a sentence, but unlike The Gambia or The Betrothed, we use "the" before "Holocaust" in the middle of a sentence. If I properly understand Names of the Holocaust, the encyclopedias that it cites in the "Use of the term for non-Jewish victims of the Nazis" section entitle their articles "Holocaust", not "The Holocaust". Nyttend backup (talk) 20:22, 4 March 2012 (UTC)