User talk:Floydian/Archive/2012b

This is an archive of my talk page from May through the end of August 2012

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—Imzadi 1979 → 00:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

FYI

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wtshymanski (FYI only, no action required) --Guy Macon (talk) 01:50, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

KML questions

I have been getting in KML, but I'm having some problems... and you know what you're doing. How do you access the text in the KML to add into Template:Attached KML/[Article Title]? I've made and exported as per your article here, but can't figure out any more. Thanks. "Pepper" @ 00:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

You can open the .kml files with a text editor, then you just copy and paste them. Check out the tutorial and notes here as well, if you haven't yet. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 00:18, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Great, thanks. "Pepper" @ 00:22, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Would you mind just checking these to make sure I'm doing everything correctly? Thanks again for the help. "Pepper" @ 00:16, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Just checking over a few of those at random, they all look perfect! Great work! - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 03:40, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ontario Highway 95

Carabinieri (talk) 00:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ontario Highway 96

Carabinieri (talk) 00:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Cherry Street Lift Bridge

I'm under the impression I fixed something there after noticing that an iwl I added was not only to a disambiguation, but also redundant, only that part of the article did not show, probably due to a botched reference. Since you seem to be the one who did the last maior work there, thought I'd notify you so you might check on the article if you wish, just in case the sort of hidden text was intended to be so. Regards, --G-41614 (talk) 14:25, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

calling for discussion

Your edit summary for this edit was "simpler and more proper name". Your alternate name is certainly simpler. However, I think you may be unaware of how may cities have Cherry Street bridges. Because Cherry Street is a common name for streets, and multiple cities have have bridges on their cherry street that lifted or swung it is worthwhile for the article name to state which body of water the bridge spans.

Your edit summary for this edit was "merging content to Cherry Street Lift Bridge". But I can't find where you raised the suggestion these two separate articles on two separate topics should be merged. Can you help me out and clarify whether you did seek input from other contributors prior to effecting your merge?

I think it is possible you may have unilaterally merged these two articles without seeking anyone else's opinion. Are you aware that we have {{mergeto}} and {{mergefrom}} tags specifically designed to aid calling for discussion over the merits of merging?

Personally, I think unilateral merges can be appropriate -- but only when the contributor making the merge has a good faith confidence no one could possibly disagree with the merge. If you were aware I started both articles, I think you would have to agree that this should have indicated to you that at least one contributor didn't agree the two separate topics should be shoehorned into a single article.

When you renamed Cherry Street lift bridge over the Keating Channel to Cherry Street Lift Bridge is it possible that you did not notice that the article Cherry Street Strauss Trunnion Bascule Bridge over the channel to the turning basin was also a Cherry Street lift bridge? Both of the current lift bridges are bascule bridges.

I know you have told me you have been frustrstated by interactions with other contributors, and that you have represented those other individuals as unwilling or unable to make the effort to enter into meaningful substantive discussion to lead to a compromise. I wasn't part of those earlier discussions, and I will take your account at face value.

But could you please be careful you don't allow your frustration in earlier discussion to lead you to skip discussing your concerns today? Geo Swan (talk) 23:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I know there may be many others, but until there is a need for disambiguation we should strive to use the common or official name as the primary topic... For example, many Canadian communities end with the province despite no other cities existing with that name that currently have an article. I don't mind trying to figure out a more appropriate name for both, but the old names were very long-winded and clunky. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 00:19, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Why did you bother fucking posting here if you already had your mind made up to go back to the crappy name you originally gave it. We don't need two articles to cover the same site where a previous bridge existed; just fucking put the history in the article for the current bridge. I don't want to read some long winded reply about how the internet and hypertext should be either. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 10:39, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

UK motorway junction lists

Hi FLoydian,

I have drawn Bbb2007's attention to you having revoked his work on the British M2 motorway article and suggested that you and hr agree what the MOS says befoire hwe changes any other junction lists - he is methodically workign his way through the lists.

Regards Martinvl (talk) 22:30, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

ON-416 ACR

How's the fixes coming? --Rschen7754 07:52, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I have one minor fix and a section to rewrite still, but otherwise I'm waiting on further reviews and a response from Fredddie. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 14:11, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Highway 20 (Israel)

You recently reverted Highway 20 (Israel) from B-class to Start-class. It seemed to me that the article meets the criteria as listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Highways/Assessment#B_class_criteria. Perhaps it appears that the article lacks references, though in my opinion, the ref, "www.ayalonhw.co.il" contains all that is necessary; the article is not unsourced. If not B-class, than surely C-class, but certainly not Start-class. Agree or disagree? Kind regards --@Efrat (talk) 12:25, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Generally WP:HWY ranks articles as B class when they are more-or-less ready for a Good Article Nomination. Well sourced with footnotes attributing all the facts and figures and dates, well written, and properly organized with a description of the route from end to end and a history of the freeway. Highway 20 lacks the proper footnotes as well as the proper article structure. Perhaps, given the content, it could be rearranged to make a proper C article, but its a long way off from a B given the importance of the freeway. There should be a good wealth of information on such a major public work aside from a single internet site. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 12:31, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I suppose each individual aspect of the road could be independently referenced to specific pages of the official site of the road (eg, cost, traffic, future plans, etc.). What do you mean by the proper article structure. Could you be more specific as to how it needs to be rearranged, ie, point me to a template showing such arrangement. --@Efrat (talk) 12:49, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If we require page numbers for book, newspaper or magazine/journal sources, we should be providing links to specific website subpages. We should also be attempting to locate independent sources for as much information as possible. As for the structure, a good highway article should have

• A section that describes the roadway's progression from one end of its route to the other, typically called a "Route description" in US or Canadian articles;
• A section that articulates the history of the highway from origination through the present day, typically called a "History" section in the US or Canada;
• A section with a table that complies with MOS:RJL that details, in table form, the junctions along the route with some sort of distance and/or numbering system.

These are what have been colloquially called the "Big Three" sections, and all good highway articles should have them at a minimum, although sections on tolls, motorist services (like service areas, specialized emergency services, etc), confirmed future plans that have been proposed or approved by the appropriate agencies (a "Future" section) and other sections are possible depending on the road. Currently I see two sections that combined serve as a History section, one that serves as a Future section, and one that lists the interchanges in table form (but does not completely comply with MOS:RJL). I don't see a section though that serves as a Route description. That last part is the big omission which is why I agree that this is not a C- or B-Class article. Imzadi 1979 → 17:20, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

TY. I'll get to work. --@Efrat (talk) 19:15, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Help Survey

Hi there, my name's Peter Coombe and I'm a Wikimedia Community Fellow working on a project to improve Wikipedia's help system. At the moment I'm trying to learn more about how people use and find the current help pages. If you could help by filling out this brief survey about your experiences, I'd be very grateful. It should take less than 10 minutes, and your responses will not be tied to your username in any way.

Thank you for your time,
the wub (talk) 18:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC) (Delivered using Global message delivery)

Hi there

This may be odd, and I apologize, but I was wondering, I recently joined the Progressive Rock WikiProject, and I was wondering if you could help me out in some way. I read a lot, but couldn't grasp some of it. I shouldn't be assuming things, but you seem like a guy who could help me out. I really want to help as much as possible, I just don't know where to really start. I'm barely experienced in editing here, because I can barely find things to edit. Anyways, thank you for your time and I hope you can give me a reply. -- Madnessfan34537 —Preceding undated comment added 22:38, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey... I'm not too certain what you're needing help with specifically. Don't feel afraid to just jump in and start editing; you may get reverted, but don't consider that a slap in the face or an insult against your contributions. The best way to become accustomed to the way things work is just to dive in and grow with experience. Just remember with any disagreements to use the article talk page to make your case rather than going back and forth with edit summaries on the article itself. Other than that, source the information you are adding to the book or website that it came from. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 21:43, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ontario Highway 21

After thoroughly reviewing this article, I have decided to put it on hold at this time. For comments, please click here. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Rp0211 ^(talk2me) 18:18, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

All issues have been addressed, so I passed the article. Keep up the good work! Rp0211 ^(talk2me) 18:51, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Chelonoidis nigra abingdoni

Thanks for sorting out the page name ! Pretty hard through process to reverse (the previous move) by an admin. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 19:22, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Usually I find they are receptive to a nice informative talk page message, but this one seemed to be very insulted at being wrong. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 21:21, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I have learnt that I could of moved the page myself (Wikipedia:Moving_a_page#Moving_over_a_redirect) as previously my incorrect understanding was that page moves was an admin only task to overwrite existing pages. So at least in part my posts reflect my own misuderstanding. Anyhow, now I have learnt something from the situation. Thanks again for fixing it. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 21:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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[1] - you removed my comment. I hope it was a mistake...--Τασουλα (talk) 14:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah it was. My bad. I got an edit conflict but it didn't show your addition at all. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 14:21, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

It's cool. And EC tend to act a bit strange sometimes... --Τασουλα (talk) 14:32, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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4M

This is Wikimedia UK, not Wikimedia in general, but it's probably official: [2] They did mention ID-48 though... --Rschen7754 20:03, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, Wikipedia:Thanks for 4 million articles. --Rschen7754 08:14, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Highway 12 lacuna (Coldwater-Waubaushene)

I'm curious as to why Ontario Highway 12 doesn't acknowledge the lacuna in {12} between Coldwater and Waubaushene, instead referring to a concurrency with {400} that once existed but no longer does. The historic route of {12} is now \16/ (also signed "TO {12}") while {400} is simply {400}. I thought I should ask you before amending this article. Barbicels (talk) 14:55, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Do you have any sources for this? I've based the article on the latest (2008) AADT logs from the MTO, which indicate a 5.9 km "overlap" with Highway 400. As far as I can tell, \16/ was established either in the mid-1990s or in 1998, and 12 rerouted along Highway 400. Signing practices throughout the province seem to vary so much it makes my head spin (keep in mind that engineers plan, but unionized government workers do), and it would create a mess to rely on them as being the truth. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 03:04, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

"The old section of Highway 12 through Fesserton was downloaded to Simcoe County, who renamed the former highway as Simcoe Road 16. Apparently, the overlapped route of Highway 400 and Highway 12 between Coldwater and Waubaushene was discontinued recently, as there are no longer any Highway 12 route markers posted along Highway 400. The gap in Highway 12 is now signed by "TO 12" signs along Simcoe Road 16 and at the two Highway 400 Junctions." - thekingshighway.ca, confirmed by my personal observations. "Traffic along Highway 12 is now directed along Simcoe Road 16 (old Highway 12) rather then along Highway 400. The Highway 12 shields have been removed from Highway 400 (no more 12/400 cosign), and trailblazers with a 6km tab have been added to both approaches to the Highway 400 interchanges along Highway 12 [...]." - ontroads discussion. The change seems to have occurred during the same year those AADT measurements were taken. - Barbicels (talk) 17:37, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I've got a copy of the 2012 road map coming in the mail soon, so hopefully it will show this. Unfortunately Cameron Bevers website is a Self-published source that hasn't had editorial oversight, and the ONTroads group is a forum. However, they are generally correct with their statements, so hopefully some good sources will come in shortly to make the change. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 20:47, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

I doubt the map will help; the online version (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/traveller/map/images/pdf/southont/sheets/Map5.pdf) is not detailed enough to prove or disprove that the concurrency still exists. - Barbicels (talk) 20:00, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I ran along Hwy 12 in Google Earth using Streetview and there are markers at junctions along the concurrency with Road 16. Do you still need Moses to come down with the Provincial Tablets or are those signs from God enough? I suppose a photograph would help. Secondarywaltz (talk) 20:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I suppose if streetview shows it that will do. We'll see the second coming before those tablets! Apparently a few chunks of road have been assumed/reassumed as King's Highways in the past year; it's going to be a pain to find a reliable source. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 00:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

WOW

I saw the list of the most bytes uploaded to Wikipedia and you're on top. Just as an observation I would like to congratulate you for your' efforts, Wikipedia is a great place and it's good to see someone uploading so much good stuff onto it. 92.39.201.183 (talk) 21:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Link? Haljackey (talk) 05:28, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I saw a link to the page on the page of Dawnseeker2000. It's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Users_by_bytes_uploaded 178.16.6.194 (talk) 18:38, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

lol, cool! I'm #813! Floydian has uploaded a lot of images, so I assume most of the bytes are from them. Haljackey (talk) 19:54, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't even aware to be honest, but thank you! :)

A big part of it is my boycotting of Commons... I put keep local tags on the imaged I upload here, so they actually remain on en.wiki instead of getting deleted when they are transferred. I believe that is a big part of why most of the names near the top of that list are unrecognizable. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 02:26, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

What is the purpose of keeping images local on en? Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 00:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I've had several photographers happy to donate many photos that have simply given up because of the overly-bureaucratic OTRS system requesting specific wording in emails and not simply accepting the fact that some people don't understand licensing and just say "Happy to share it with the world for free". I've gotten into ridiculous deletion debates over 75 year old government images quarrelling whether they are public domain or not (crown copyright on images expires to public domain after 50 years in Canada) because there is no way to know for sure when/if the image was published (because there was money to blow taking pictures for storage during the depression), so ergo we must delete it. I'm tired of the BS and red tape, so I'm tagging my images as keep local. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 00:44, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. One consideration is to upload images to Wikipedia:FLICKR with a suitable license and then use the commons upload tool. That gets around the OTRS bureaucratic I think but not the crown copyright you raise. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 01:17, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah but they're not my images to upload to flickr. The issue is the over-zealous application of their precautionary principle to delete pictures where there is any doubt what-so-ever as to their free status. Unfortunately, I don't see this changing any time soon, so I feel this is my only non-confrontational course of action and encourage other disillusioned editors to follow suit. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 01:25, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I see where you are coming from and agree. For the person who is "Happy to share it with the world for free" then flickr is easy to use and explain(upload to flick, set owner settings to attribution creative commons, visible to everyone and let me know when you are done), plus no emails. Anyway, thanks for the explanations. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 01:39, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Pics you may enjoy

Hey Floydian. I think you may enjoy a collection of pics I made showcasing the ongoing widening of Highway 401 by Highway 410 and Hurontario: http://imgur.com/a/Qvr9y Haljackey (talk) 23:54, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

A lot of those are very nice! Can I upload any of them here? I can see several that would be way better than the pic I took that's in the article now. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 02:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Minden Wild Water Preserve

I just saw your comment on the Gull river article, so would you be interested in creating the article (Minden Wild Water Preserve)? I have uploaded pics to commons [3]. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 00:50, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't respond to this earlier, I must have dismissed the orange bar and gotten distracted. You'll need to reupload the picture with a suitable licence, as it was deleted earlier this week. I haven't had a chance to check this thing out in person, but perhaps I'll drive up there when I'm at my cottage next weekend or labour day weekend, since Minden is only 15 minutes north of lil ol' Coboconk. I'm not sure how informative an article I could write (not exactly a subject area I'm familiar with), but I can at least get a Start in place if I've seen the thing. Ping me in a few weeks and/or when you've reuploaded the photo. Cheers, Floydian ^τ _¢ 04:53, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Good luck with your RFA as I have moved my name to the support section. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 14:41, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

System of a Down

I have proposed the article for semi-protection after I saw your message on history "Time for indef semi again?". For 6 months now, I hope it will calm down the vandals. Best regards, Bright Darkness (talk) 15:46, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Heheh, for six months at least... It's back like clockwork when the protection expires. Thanks :) - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 00:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

RFA nomination

--Rschen7754 06:00, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Your RFA

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Kumioko (talk) 19:17, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

• Ask me to nominate/co-nominate you, if you think it will help. [If I am an admin by then it will probably help, if my next RfA is worse than your last one, maybe not so much]. Apteva (talk) 20:11, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Accidental Rollback happens to me too sometimes,

Too many "notices" loading at the top of the "watch list" page. Ever try and edit from your phone, or an iPad? Its worse. I thought about adding a disclaimer at the top of my talk page about "accidental rollbacks". Usually I catch them right away, but one time I didn't. When I did realize it, I went back to see what it was I reverted, and it turned out to be an unproductive/vandalism edit anyway, so I got a bit lucky there. Good luck.--JOJ ^Hutton 16:40, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I've gotten a few "Do you know what you just did?!?! posts when I've done it accidentally without even realizing it. The whole problem would be fixed if the watchlist rollback acted like the diff rollback (asking you for an edit summary). - Floydian ^τ _¢ 16:45, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Luckily I've never been "Served" with a notice, but its probably only a matter of time. I usually do my "accidental rollbacks" while editing from my phone or iPad, "Multitouch" device means that my finger is always on the page and if I stop or the page loads slow, the phone will misiterpret my gesture. I try to be careful, but then there are the times when, like what happened to you, the page skips. It sucks.--JOJ ^Hutton 16:51, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Useful script

Hi Floydian, I saw one of your replies on your RfA "I'm sorry, I must have missed that. I miss messages from time to time, but I assure you it's accidental and not ignorance. - Floydian τ ¢ 04:44, 18 August 2012 (UTC)" I think you might benefit from

importScript('User:Davidgothberg/newmessageshistory.js');

It adds a link to the history of your talkpage with the new messages bar, so you do not miss any messages. Hope it helps. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 14:42, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

BS

It works! –Fredddie™ 02:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

And all sorts of zany combos can ensue! - Floydian ^τ _¢ 02:36, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

In other news, I have 3.6 kilograms (7 lb 15 oz) of a certain cereal that needs to be sent off to Canuckistan. –Fredddie™ 16:22, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

File:PinkFloyd MastersofRock.jpg listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:PinkFloyd MastersofRock.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 18:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

FYI about an old friend

See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposal to topic ban Geo Swan. It isn't personal. He is just very annoying and persistent everywhere.  :) Secondarywaltz (talk) 21:40, 23 August 2012 (UTC)