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In any case, I don't think that belongs in the article David Keys is a journalist and although he does a lot of archaeology reporting he doesn't always get it right. We should wait until this gets through peer review and is properly published. One issue is of course the dating (something Stanford aknowledges) - a tool and a tusk caught up in the same net aren't necessarily the same date -- just on issue that hopefully peer review will sort out. And you won't get other archaeologists making serious responses unless they can see the data themselves, not just a newspaper article. Dougweller (talk) 13:51, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the Welcome Dougweller :) Lactasamir (talk) 12:50, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you were the person who removed the "Post World War II - Notable Residents" list from the Miami Beach page. If so, may I ask why? Thanks. Canamets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canamets (talk • contribs) 15:57, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

No it was not me :) Lactasamir (talk) 21:04, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

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Hello :) i will not start a edit war, i most admit i were not aware of the three-revert rule on a single page within a 24-hour period, so thanks for helping me my friend :). Lactasamir (talk) 21:36, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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Magdalenenberg moon calendar

I see that you have begun to address the problem in Magdalenenberg moon calendar, but, in my opinion, it still needs some work.

For example this phrase

research resulted in a date of Midsummer 618 BC, which makes it the earliest and most complete example of a Celtic calendar focused on the moon

appears in the article, with exactly the same working as in the source. If you are planning to clean up the final paragraph, that's great, but it cannot remain as is.--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:54, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks --S Philbrick(Talk) 01:11, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Your edit in Sybaris, formatting Google Books references

Hi Lactasamir, I noticed you made an edit to Sybaris on 31 March this year. Thank you for your edit. However, you added several secondary sources on the population of the city which simply repeated the 300,000 claim of Diodorus Siculus, a primary source. Because I did not see how this contributed anything I removed them. You also added that this was "shortly before 500 BC", but Diodorus and your secondary sources doesn't mention a specific year. However, you also gave two secondary sources for a claim of 100,000; one secondary didn't provide any primary source to back up that claim, the other gave Pseudo-Scymnus as a source. I kept this claim but referenced Pseudo-Scymnus directly instead of using the secondary source, because I think using primary sources is better.

However, I noticed that you just put links to Google Books in references without formatting them. This didn't look good in the references section. Also, could you please shorten the references to Google Books? For example, you give links like http://books.google.dk/books?id=of-ghBD9q1QC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=sybaris+300,000+people&source=bl&ots=j4POjjCZ8R&sig=yX-BpwwAREm0VWcgH6_qZjW4aHU&hl=da&sa=X&ei=sWo5U4zLF4WJtAaAkoD4BQ&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=sybaris%20300%2C000%20people&f=false but a link like this http://books.google.com/books?id=of-ghBD9q1QC&pg=PA96 goes to the same page on the English (rather than Danish) Google Books. --AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 11:35, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Your edit in Syracuse

I noticed you also made an edit in the article on Syracuse, Sicily in which you give information on the city's historical population in classical antiquity. I'm sorry, but I also felt this had to be removed and just did so. First of all, the first paragraphs are supposed to give a summary of the subject: detailed figures on population don't belong there. Just mentioning the city equalled Athens in size is sufficient for the summary. The "history" section would be more appropriate for such details, but there I had already discussed the historical population in the fourth paragraph before you made your edit.

Regarding the content of your edit itself, I don't think it was necessary to provide so much sources. Most of them were very old and gave incredible estimates for the population. You seem to realize this yourself because you describe the 1,2 million estimate as "dubious". The first source you gave was recent and reliable with it's claim of 250,000, this source alone would have been sufficient. The reference provided for the fourth paragraph of the "History" section also contains recent scholarship and mentions a 250,000 figure. That reference is also slightly more detailed than your first reference. I hope you are okay with my reversions of your edits. I appreciate your effort and I hope my advice to you is useful. --AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 12:09, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

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You are right, from now on i will follow Wikipia rules. Thank you for correcting me my friend. :) Lactasamir (talk) 16:30, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

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You are right, from now on i will follow Wikipedia rules. Thank you for correcting me my friend. :) Lactasamir (talk) 16:35, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Multiple problems

I am finding copyvio in all of your substantive edits. I also note that you still are not citing material properly. Urls to Google books are great but absolutely must be accompanied by correct citations giving book title, author, publisher, year and vitally page number. Sources must reach WP:RS but I note that you use fringe sources such as [[Philip Coppens {author}]] and Michael Cahill[1] who believes in Atlantis. I am not at all convinced that you can write an article or indeed any large piece of text without copying and pasting from sources and your addition of copyright material today shows that you are not following our policy that I informed you about in April 2013 and that you have been told about in June and this month again. Dougweller (talk) 14:22, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Again you are right, from now on i will follow Wikipedia rules. Thank you for correcting me my friend. :) Lactasamir (talk) 16:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

August 2014

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from Cycladic art into another page. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{copied}} template on the talk pages of the source and destination. The attribution has been provided for this situation, but if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for that duplication. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. This is another type of copyvio but it still copyvio. Dougweller (talk) 14:24, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

from now on i will follow Wikipedia rules. Thank you for correcting me my friend. :) Lactasamir (talk) 16:39, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

IP addresses also used to add copyvio

User:86.52.97.110 and User:86.52.120.95. Dougweller (talk) 15:35, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Another welcome

Hello, Lactasamir! I saw your note on Dougweller's talk page. I think it's wonderful that you are editing on Wikipedia. I'm retired, and I also very much enjoy editing on WP. I honestly don't know much about adding material from sources and getting references right. I mostly just search for any errors in articles and try to improve wording where I can. I just wanted to make one suggestion and one offer of help:

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• Offer: As I said, I don't know much about references, but if you would find it helpful, I would be glad to proofread your writing, including your paraphrasing of text from a source, or just help with wording a phrase or sentence. Just leave a note on my talk page: User talk:CorinneSD or leave me a note on your talk page and ping me with {{ping|CorinneSD}} so that I'll see it. Best regards, CorinneSD (talk) 17:53, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words and your suggestion and offer my friend, you are a wonderful person :) Lactasamir (talk) 20:06, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

• • That was indeed a great response and much appreciated. Lactasamir, I consider myself pretty good on sources so you can always run them past me if you have any doubts. I'm sorry that editing is so hard for you and impressed that you still do it. Dougweller (talk) 19:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Dougweller it is so nice to meet nice people, and thank you for being so understanding. Have a nice day my friend. Lactasamir (talk) 20:06, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

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A wiki-friend of mine, User:P123ct1 wrote up some notes on citations which I add below:

Instructions on how to compose a footnote using the WP templates

"There are instructions on how to do this at WP:FOOTNOTES at section 3.1 - see [2]. This is a brief summary of those instructions.

First put the cursor at the point in the edit text where you want the footnote to go, then click "Cite" in the edit strip at the top of the Edit Page, then click "Templates" on the left, and a drop-down menu appears. Choose "cite web" or "cite news" for articles and websites, "cite book" or "cite journal" for books and journals, click and a box comes up. Fill in the details of the citation, then click "Preview" and "Show parsed preview" to see it looks right (you can go back and correct anything by just correcting the box entries and then click those two "Previews" again). Then click "Insert" and the citation automatically goes into the text at the point where the cursor is. Remember to add the page number(s) of the book if you use "cite book".

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I usually hit preview and copy and paste from that. When you are adding books you sometimes need to hit show extra fields. Dougweller (talk) 19:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the good advice my friend :) I will definitely use it, thank you :) Lactasamir (talk) 20:18, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

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Copy and pasting

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• Hello Joe Roe :) i must say that there are absolutely no copy of text from my side. This is what source 14 say -

Concerning the large settle­ments only two types can be singled out: those that were as large as 50-100 hectares and those that were more than 100 hectares. These settlements were related in a hierar­chical fashion, with the largest being dominant. Settle­ment groups controlled territories of 10-20 km in radius and were situated in river basins. They maintained their own “capital,” which included the largest settlement (with an area of 50-200 hectares) and the dependent “towns” (10 - 40 hectares) and villages (2-7 hectares). Such a group, it seems logical, cor­responds to a chiefdom.

And this is what i wrote -

The typical Trypillian hierarchy was one dominant "capital" with a population up to 15000 people and more than 100 Hectares, this capital was surrounded by dependent towns (satellite town´s) typically in the size range 10-40 Hectares and villages in the range of 2-7 Hectares. The Capital controlled territories as far away as 20 km (12,5 mi) from the center.

This is what source 15 say -

The resulting population estimates, together with an apparent three-level settlement hierarchy (Ellis 1984), imply the possibility of state-level societies contemporary with Uruk developments in Iraq.

And this is what i wrote -

The latest research indicates that the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture settlements had three level settlement hierarchy, this imply the possibility of state-level societies. Mega-structures suggest the presence of public buildings for meetings or ceremonies.

So absolutely no copy of text from my side. Sometimes in the past i did some COPYVIO, but absolutely not anymore. So as you can see there are no Copyvio and therefore i will put the text in the article again (with some minor edits) - the imply word. Have a nice day my Friend :) Lactasamir (talk) 22:52, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Ignoring the copyvio issue, you've changed possibilities into facts. You changed "capital" - in quotation marks, to 'Capital', without quotation marks and with an upper case C. Dougweller (talk) 15:15, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Dougweller for bringing it to my attention, i will try to look at it again my friend :) Lactasamir (talk) 15:25, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Danube Valley "Civilization"

It would have been courteous to inform me. This is a mess. Harald Haarmann seems to be on the fringe of these subjects, claiming that Noah's flood happened 9,000 years ago. He is certainly not an archaeologist and we should be looking to archaeological sources for archaeological articles, not a linguist/philologist. There is no consensus that the Vinca symbols are an actual writing system. You've added material to the article which is not the main articles about those subjects and that's not a good idea either. Where you have several sources for something they are often the same person, Gimbutas - we shouldn't repeat our sources as it makes it look as though there are more than there really are. And I actually see no consensus in the archaeological literature for a Danube Civilization/culture/Old Europe. You can't use Haarmann to show that there is one as you've evidently done. Dougweller (talk) 15:37, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

• Hello Dougweller :) if you read the sources you will se that what i wrote, are what the reliable sourses say. The term Danube civilization or old Europe civilization (another term) are used by scholars many places. see -

From the exhibition and book from Princeton University press. This exhibition focused on the period 5000-3500 B.C.

Acta Terrae Septemcastrensis is a yearly journal centred on the Transylvania heritage

Alfred J. Andrea, Ph.D. (1969) in History, Cornell University,

Marco Merlini, Ph.D. is a cultural manager, journalist and archaeo semiologist.

Marija Gimbutas, she called it Old Europe, the same civilization, different term.

Brukenthal National Museum, Romania, with map of Danube civilization. Harald Haarmann is the leading expert on linguistics in the world. He does not advocate for the biblical flood, but The flood of the Black sea, see Black Sea deluge hypothesis Harald Haarmann believes this flood maybe where the roots of the biblical flood. The flood really happened. That is what Harald Haarmann means. Lactasamir (talk) 17:41, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

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