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Creating subpages[edit]

Hi NehruR42, and again, welcome to Wikipedia!
I can see you are having a few problems creating subpages. You can read the instructions on how to do this here. If you prefer, I can step you through creating a subpage myself?
--Shirt58 (talk) 07:58, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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What can we actually help you with?[edit]

Hi again, NehruR42, and thanks for the messages.
Unfortunately there's pretty much nothing your fellow Wikipedians can do about your connectivity problems. (I have broadband, but sometimes when I edit a Wikipedia page, my browser's "throbber" just spins and spins without fully loading up the page.) What we can help you with is advice about making changes to Wikipedia, this free, web-based, collaborative, multilingual encyclopedia. To be honest, I can't see that any of your contributions so far are aimed at improving Wikipedia. If I may ask, what kind of work would you like to do here? --Shirt58 (talk) 10:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback[edit]

Hello, NehruR42. You have new messages at Dougweller's talk page.
Message added 10:22, 15 April 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

I am having a problem with url's put into reference templates on my draft subpage. The problem is best discribed in my Sandbox No. 2 subpage. I hope someone can help me, please. Thanks in advance. --NehruR42 10:56, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


The problem I am having is:[edit]

In my Draft subpage are two (2) in-line reference numbers 8 and 10 which are giving me some trouble.

After the statement "kridsada" (กฤษฏา)[8] and "krisada" (กฤษดา)[10] I include into the |url= ..... part of the reference template the web address where I located the supporting details.

The problem is though that when I go to test that reference in the Reference List, the address that I get is not the same as the address that I saved at |url=

For example: The address I put into |url=http://xxPart1xxyyPart2yy Then upon going to that reference once the article has been saved and assembled, I get the web address http://xxpart1xx (but part 2 has been cut-off - I get only the first part of the address saved at |url=

The address is a google/translate address.

The actual problem is demostrated below - that is, the addresses that are included in |url= ..... and the address that is retrieved after saving are not the same.

"kridsada" (กฤษฏา)[1]

"krisada" (กฤษดา)[2]

References[edit]

  1. ^ "Thai<>English Dictionary". Google.translate.co.th. {{cite web}}: Text "%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A4%E0%B8%A9%E0%B8%8F%E0%B8%B2" ignored (help); Text "en" ignored (help)
  2. ^ "Thai<>English Dictionary". Google.translate.co.th. {{cite web}}: Text "%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A4%E0%B8%A9%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B2" ignored (help); Text "en" ignored (help)

Note[edit]

The actual address that is retrieved when activating those links are:

AND

I am not expert in the way those Thai characters are represented, but I notice that in each case the first character after the point where the address is truncated is "%7C". I know that web addresses terminate at the first space, e.g. when you write [http://www.google.co.uk/ Google search page] to get Google search page, the space after "uk/" is what tells the system that this is the end of the URL, so that where there is a space within a URL it is necessary to replace it with an underscore character "_". I think it's probable that something similar here is happening here: see if you can find some neutral character to replace "%7C". If that doesn't give you a solution, replace the "helpme." JohnCD (talk) 11:29, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is due to the pipe symbols | in the URL; those can't be used; you have to URLencode them as %7C, so;

*{{cite web |title=Thai<>English Dictionary |publisher=Google.translate.co.th |url=http://translate.google.co.th/translate_t?hl=th&q=%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A4%E0%B8%A9%E0%B8%8E%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%A3&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wT#th%7cen%7c%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A4%E0%B8%A9%E0%B8%8F%E0%B8%B2}}

...so that works.

But, as the other said - there is no point, because we would never use that as a reference in a Wikipedia article. It is not an appropriate reliable source, and we do not use Google to translate things - we cite the original language, and the reader can translate if they want.  Chzz  ►  11:44, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Again, what content do you want to add to or improve on Wikipedia?[edit]

Hello again, NehruR42,
As I've mentioned already, Wikipedia, is free, web-based, collaborative, multilingual encyclopedia. It is not a place to try out your coding skills. I'm guessing from your username that you might be interested in Cricket. Is that a good guess? If so, there's an article I've wanted to start about an Indian cricketer we can start work on together very soon.
--Shirt58 (talk) 11:23, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My sincere apologies. I thought your username, "NehruR42" (see: Nehru) might suggest that you were from the Indian subcontinent, and that, stereotyping you, you might be interested in Cricket. I was wrong to make that unjustified assumption. I again apologise. All that said, the question still remains: what content do you want to add to or improve on Wikipedia?
--Shirt58 (talk) 11:54, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thanks for your response - we met about a month ago when my edit skills were rather raw - maybe I've come someway forward in that time but still struggling. In relation to your enquiry - my user name has nothing to do with cricket - it was a random creation - no association with anything. Further to your enquiry, in my 40-year career (I'm retired now) I worked in Astronomy in a supporting role as a design/maintenance engineer - I was interested in Astronomy since a child - so I feel lucky to have worked in an area that interested me. So I would like to make Wikipedia contributions relating to anything Astronomical. I had a shortish retirement period and now find myself consultanting towards a telescope building project in Asia - perhaps I can create an article about that telescope once it becomes productive and joins the international Astronomical community. So, getting back to business, I would very much appreciate any comment you have about the major edit in my Draft subpage. Thanks in adavance and I'd like to work with you once my skills gain momentum.

Replied on my talk page again[edit]

See you there! Dougweller (talk) 12:31, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Thai translation[edit]

Greetings, what I think the other editor means is "write a citation to the original Thai, not to GoogleTranslate". That is, if I'm citing a Spanish work "Historia del Pueblo", my footnote should be linked to "http://historia.es.gov/pueblo.pdf" rather than to "www.googletranslate/123456789....". To let the reader know that the link leads to something in another language, you can add {{In lang|th}} at the end of the cite, so it'll appear at (in Thai). (oh, and don't forget to sign your posts at the end of Talk page discussion; type four tildes, or hit the sign button at the top of the editing box). MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:54, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]



So, do I add the (in Thai) to that reference, or do I completely leave out the Google translate reference ?? I'm confused.

So it may read as:


.... is a Thai name comprising two words; "kridsada" (กฤษฏา )[1](in Thai) of Sanskrit origin and sometimes Romanized as ....


OR, 


..... is a Thai name comprising two words; "kridsada" (กฤษฏา) (in Thai)
of Sanskrit origin and sometimes Romanized as......

Thanks for your help . --NehruR42 15:25, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


Extra details[edit]

I am not citing anything - all that I'm trying to establish is that "kridsada" = (กฤษฏา)

Do I really need any citation at all - maybe just write it as:


..... is a Thai name comprising two words; "kridsada" (กฤษฏา) (in Thai) 

of Sanskrit origin and sometimes Romanized as......


Up to the reader to follow up on it. Is this reasonable logic to use.??? I am just saying "kridsada" = (กฤษฏา) using a Google/translation website. Maybe not required. What do you think. ??

Thanks again for your help --NehruR42 15:39, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

If something (like a translation) is a conclusion that anyone could reach through a variety of sources, a footnote is not generally necessary. For example, if my article on Biggstonville notes "Biggstonville is 2km east of Wallabaville, and is on the west bank of the Faragitty River", I don't need to cite that since anyone pulling up a map could note the same conclusion. However, is I say "Biggstonville was founded in 1831", I want a cite for that, since that info is specific to whatever source I read, and that source conducted and speaks for his own research. Workable? MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:45, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Thank you Matthew - I maybe might have another question for later however, for now thnaks for your great input - you have been a great help. --NehruR42 16:02, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

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  1. ^ "Thai<>English Dictionary". Google.translate.co.th. Retrieved 2011-04-02. {{cite web}}: |archive-url= is malformed: timestamp (help)
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