User talk:Sage Ross (WMF)

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Ohai!

Heelp! please…[edit]

Hi Sage Ross (WMF). Happy New Year! I'm afraid I've got a bit of a technical problem, where I've tried to roll over a Wikipedia Education course from Spring 2013 to Spring 2014, with the result that it's deleted the previous course! My fault probably, but I'd be ever so grateful for your help. Two other Wikipedia ambassadors have kindly tried to help but they've had no luck either. Message is here: [[1]]. Yours in hope, and with infinite thanks, --DrJennyCee (talk) 08:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Education Program technical update: New features of course pages (test message)[edit]

Several noticeable improvements to the EducationProgram extension (in addition to some small bug fixes) will go live on or around 2014-01-23:

Notifications

All participants in a course (students, instructors, volunteers) will receive Notifications whenever their course talk page is edited. Thus, editors can use course talk pages to send messages they want the whole class to be aware of, and the class participants are likely to see them.

Special:Contributions student notice

For users enrolled as students in courses that are active, a notice will appear at the top of Special:Contributions noting which course(s) they are enrolled in. This will make it easy for users who come across the work of student editors to find out that they are part of a course and identify other class participants.

Adding articles

Course instructors and volunteers will be able to assign article to student editors, instead of all articles needing to be added by the student editors themselves.

Adding students

Instructors and volunteers will be able to add users as students in courses, instead of all student editors needing to enroll for themselves. This makes it easier to maintain complete lists of students, and also makes the extension more suitable for tracking participation in edit-a-thons, workshops and other collaborative projects beyond the Wikipedia Education Program.


If you have feedback about these new features, or other questions or ideas related to course pages, please let me know! --Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 18:19, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

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Adding instructors[edit]

Being able to add instructors to their Course Pages is the most awesome feature you have ever made a reality. :) Thanks, Sage (and ARG)! Jami (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:46, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

That was always possible, since a while ago Jami!--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 18:59, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

New features for course pages[edit]

Several noticeable improvements to the EducationProgram extension (in addition to some small bug fixes) will go live on or around 2014-01-23:

Notifications

All participants in a course (students, instructors, volunteers) will receive Notifications whenever their course talk page is edited. Thus, editors can use course talk pages to send messages they want the whole class to be aware of, and the class participants are likely to see them.

Special:Contributions student notice

For users enrolled as students in courses that are active, a notice will appear at the top of Special:Contributions noting which course(s) they are enrolled in. This will make it easy for users who come across the work of student editors to find out that they are part of a course and identify other class participants.

Adding articles

Course instructors and volunteers will be able to assign articles to student editors, instead of all articles needing to be added by the student editors themselves.

Adding students

Instructors and volunteers will be able to add users as students in courses, instead of all student editors needing to enroll for themselves. This makes it easier to maintain complete lists of students, and also makes the extension more suitable for tracking participation in edit-a-thons, workshops and other collaborative projects beyond the Wikipedia Education Program.


If you have feedback about these new features, or other questions or ideas related to course pages, please let me know! --Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 18:14, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Removal from course(s)[edit]

Hi Sage. Please could you remove me from any courses I am enrolled in over at WP Courses. This was done in error! Kind regards, Duffit5 (talk) 03:35, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Cannot link to course page as wiki page[edit]

Hello Sage Ross--

I think I am experiencing a glitch that is driving me batty: for some reason, when I want to link to my course page as a wiki page, the link menu will tell me the page does not exist, though it does recognize the course page's talk page as a wiki page (!). Would you have any idea why this could be happening and how I can solve it? Here is the page title: Education Program:CUNY, LaGuardia Community College/The Research Paper: Kindred (Spring)


Thanks for any pointers in advance. DrX (talk) 23:34, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

DrX: course pages are not handled properly by the link tool (because it's a special kind of page that doesn't have the same properties as a normal wiki page), so you'll need to create the link manually. You can do that by surrounding the name of it in double square brackets (and using a pipe if you want to change the text). Sorry for the confusion!--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 23:41, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the super fast answer Sage Ross (WMF) (talk)! I was doing the regular linking that you have suggested, but for some reason the regular link will not work on my user = student banner. More accurately, it will work once and then it de-links (?). That's what prompted my message. DrX (talk) 23:51, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
DrX: Ah, I see now what you mean; that's a not a bug, it's a feature :-). The reason that the link is not showing up on the course page is because it's the same page being linked to. If a link points to the same page it's on, it will simply be formatted bold without a link, like this: User talk:Sage Ross (WMF). If you put the same code on another page (such as a user page) then the link will work.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 01:55, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Aha. Makes sense. Will do. Thanks a million! DrX (talk) 13:23, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your excellent work[edit]

Hello again, Sage Ross (WMF) (talk). I just wanted to thank you for the excellent video tutorials you have put together for the education program. They are clear, to the point, and the captions make them extra easy to understand (an important characteristic when dealing with students from a variety of backgrounds and languages). I am sure my students will find them very useful. Cheers, DrX (talk) 03:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Education Program technical update, February 2014[edit]

We've started working on "editor campaigns", a system that we expect will eventually be able to replace our current Education Program extension (and be useful for many other purposes as well). The early work with that project will focus on a system for signup up new editors for editing campaigns (such as courses, but also edit-a-thons, Wiki Loves Monuments, etc.). Because of that, progress will be slow on the current course page system. However, we have several improvements that should be available within the next few weeks.

Anyone can edit the main text of course pages

As part of the effort to make course pages behave more like regular wiki pages, we've enabled editing of course pages by anyone. Users who currently have the right to edit courses will have access to all the fields (so that they can change the start/end dates, and change the enrollment token). Users who currently cannot edit courses will be able to edit only the "page text" portion. This change should take effect on 2014-02-27.

Simplified course editing interface

We've considerably simplified the interface for editing course pages, removing the options to rename courses. Changing the title of a course would also move the course page, creating confusion and leading to a number of bugs. Several other parts of the course editing interface were not very useful, so we've removed them to make it easier on newcomers. This change should take effect on 2014-02-27.

Additional Notifications

Two students participating in the Facebook Open Academy mentorship program are currently working on additional Notifications for course pages. For the first of these, users will be notified whenever someone else adds them to a course.

Once again, if you have feedback about these new features, or other questions or ideas related to course pages, please let me know!--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 17:38, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

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Regarding Enrollment Tokens[edit]

Hello, This is to ask you to help me out. Before enrolling I'm told (and I'm sure everyone else would have been told ) that I need some kind of enrollment token from my instructor. Who is meant to be my instructor? Thank You Anwaraj (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Anwaraj. Are you participating a class that is doing a Wikipedia assignment? Generally, the enrollment token is set by whomever is running the class and you would get it from them.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 15:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Sage Ross (WMF), No I am not participating in any assignment. Is it necessary to join one? I just came across this couse and wanted to join. I see the course is still on, so want to join in. Is there anyway I can enroll for this course.~ A n w a r a j انوراج 11:59, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Anwaraj: For the most part, these courses are only open to students enrolled locally at their university; the course pages just represent the Wikipedia part of their normal college courses. There's a general Wikipedia course open to anyone that isn't running right now, but may again soon: Wikipedia:School of Open course.--ragesoss (talk) 17:30, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
ragesoss Thank You. Will keep checking Wikipedia:School of Open course. :) ~ A n w a r a j انوراج 12:03, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

restart course Suggestion Comment[edit]

I want to know if there is going to be a restart course for the Example University because, I want to know how to edit in Wikipedia. I want to learn more about Wikipedia. I think that the class was a good class from looking at the description. I was a user in Wikipedia for 2 years already, but in the 2 years I felt like I was in blind folds and I didn't know much about how to edit or even make Wikipedia articles. This course can help new Wikipedia users. If there is no restart of the course I strongly suggest that there should be a restart of the course. Sincerely from, Doorknob747 Doorknob747 00:35, 5 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talkcontribs)

User:Doorknob747: That example course is not a real course, but simply a test page so that users can see how the course page system works. Sorry for the confusion.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 09:54, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Having trouble unenrolling course[edit]

I seem to be enrolled in Education_Program:Example_University/Example_Course_(2014_Q1), however I can't find the button to unenroll from the course. Techman224Talk 16:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Techman224: I've removed you. If you are enrolled in a course, there will be a tab near the search box (or in the pulldown next to it) for "Disenroll". (Course leaders and admins are also able to remove others, which I've done for you.)--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 09:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Regional ambassadors[edit]

I saw that you marked the apply page on Outreach as historical. Is Wikipedia:Education program/Ambassadors/Regional also historical? czar  03:45, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Czar: I marked that one as historical on outreach because it was out of date, since the corresponding page here is the one that people have decided to use and maintain. (I think Jami and the ambassadors have been discussing a possible reorganization from geographical to subject-based coordination, but for now I believe the Regional Ambassadors system is still working as described on that page.)--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 13:29, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I see that this leaves no instructions on how to become a Regional Ambassador. Jami, what's the current status with that? Is the current RA system going to continue for a while? If so, it'd probably be good to port over the RA application process from outreach to here.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 13:34, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Hey, Sage. Yes, I actually just put together an email yesterday to send out to the current RAs to discuss the way forward. I think for now it's probably best not to bring on anyone new unless the group comes to consensus about maintaining the role as it currently is. Hopefully we will be able to move forward on making that plan over the next few weeks! Jami (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:00, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Education Program technical update, April 2014[edit]

Since the last update, development of the editor campaigns project has been continuing, and it's almost at the point that it will be useful to users running edit-a-thons and other non-course outreach events. (If you are planning such an event soon and would like to beta test it for tracking the contributions of newcomers, get it touch.) In the meantime, we've made a few small improvements and bug fixes to the Education Program extension:

Default course end date

The default end date for courses is now approximately six months in the future, instead of immediately. This will prevent the common problem where a user creates a new course page but does change the default dates, resulting in a course that is immediately considered "ended" and thus cannot be enrolled in.

Notifications when you get added to a course

Whenever a user gets added to a course by someone else, they will now receive a Notification.

Disabling individual student profiles

The student profile special page (Special:Student/Username, not to be confused with Special:Students) is a page that lists the courses a student editor is enrolled in, and is also supposed to list the articles that user is working on. However, the list of articles can include incorrect data in cases where an instructor or volunteer assigned the articles to the student editor. These profiles are being removed from the extension altogether. This change should go into effect Thursday, May 1. (Logs are still available to find out which courses a user is enrolled in.)

Article edit notifications for students coming soon

A nearly complete patch from Facebook Open Academy student Jeff Lloyd will add a new type of Notification: students will be alerted to edits made by others to the article(s) they are assigned (as well as the corresponding talk pages). Expect to see this feature within the next several weeks.

Duplicate courses and API deletion

Bugs in the course page creation process (now fixed) led in some cases to duplicate listings for the same course at Special:Courses. This happens when the same course page had two (or more) different course ID numbers. It is possible to clean up such duplicate entries using by making calls to the API. I've documented this process and written a Python script for it.

If you have feedback about these changes, or other questions or ideas related to course pages, please let Anna Koval or me know!--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 19:23, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

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students and edit warring[edit]

You might let students know what to do in case of edit warring. Pkeets (talk) 16:28, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Pkeets: Here's the most relevant part of the student trainings: Wikipedia:Training/For_students/Bold,_revert,_discuss.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 21:01, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Renaming a course[edit]

So I am making some progress spreading Teaching with Wikipedia ideas in Korea by getting it incorporated into a course at a different university: Education Program:Kyung Hee University/Climate Change and Global Warming (2014 Q2). Now, how difficult it would be to rename it to Education Program:Kyung Hee University/Climate Change and Sustainability (2014 Q2) (apparently the name changed today...)? There's no move button in that namespace. Would it be easier to create a new course with the fixed name and delete this one? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:58, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Piotr: Exciting news! Creating a new course and deleting that one will be the way to go. The renaming of courses was extremely buggy, so it had to be disabled. However, you can move the subpages to the corresponding new titles to avoid having to recreate them:
--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 13:21, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
I've created a new course at Education Program:Kyung Hee University/Climate Change and Sustainability (2014) and copied all the content, so if you could delete the old pages at Education Program:Kyung Hee University/Climate Change and Global Warming (2014 Q2) it would be good. One comment: something is messing up the tables; the table I want in the mid-point of description is being pushed to the bottom of the page. Any idea how to fix it? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:15, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Piotr: Is the table still not the way you want it, or were you able to fix it?--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 13:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Hope you were good with WikiCookie outcome[edit]

Though barnstars are rampantly given (and so your point was well appreciated), the self-awarding aspect was the matter that I think raised things to others' attention. I hope you are good with the outcome, and kudos for working to broaden involvement in the editing, esp. with focus on high quality, verifiable new content. If you desire, you can respond at my Talk, but I am in process of retiring. If time permits, I will look back here. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 17:14, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Instructor privileges[edit]

I've created the course page for my summer section of CCT110 at the University of Toronto Mississauga (I work with the course during the year on the teaching team and as a CA and also teach it in summer) but require instructor privileges. Please advise. Thanks. michaelh.dick (talk) 19:04, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Also, I did a test enrol as a student but can't seem to undo that as I've been able to do in the past (perhaps because the course isn't active yet?) Academic once I'm added as an Instructor as I can remove the dummy entry, but just thought I'd mention this. Thanks again. michaelh.dick (talk) 19:07, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
michaelh.dick: I believe you could not remove yourself as a student because you are not yet assigned to any of the leadership roles within the class. If you had signed on as a campus volunteer for it, then you would be able to remove students. I've given you the instructor right, so you can now join the course as the instructor and then remove yourself as a student.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Great, thanks for the quick reply. michaelh.dick (talk) 20:05, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Troubling seeing fall course[edit]

Hello! I am working on moving my Fall 2013 Course course to my Fall 2014 Course. WP says that I have no current courses, but I have created the Fall 2014 page and have started entering material adapted from 2013. Do you have ideas for a repair? Thank you, Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 04:43, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Prof.Vandegrift: Hi! I'm guessing that adding yourself as instructor fixed the problem. If it's still misbehaving, please let me know.--ragesoss (talk) 13:43, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Attention seeking etc[edit]

Hi. I am a longstanding Wikipedia editor who works mainly on psychology articles. Some articles on everyday psychological concepts are in embarrassingly poor shape - it would be good if you could persuade your students to consider them when choosing an assignment. My top choice for this is attention seeking. My second choices are blame, child grooming, praise and psychological manipulation.--Penbat (talk) 13:36, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi User:Penbat. Thanks for the ideas! I'm flagging this for some of my colleagues (User:Jami (Wiki Ed), User:Ian (Wiki Ed), User:Adam (Wiki Ed), User:Helaine (Wiki Ed)), as they might be able to pass your suggestions on to one of the psychology classes doing work this term. Your experience might also be helpful in general with this big psychology class: Education Program:CUNY, Hunter College/Human Development (Fall 2014). It looks like some of the students are working on related topics.--ragesoss (talk) 16:21, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks --Penbat (talk) 17:01, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@Penbat: Thanks for pointing us that way. Do you have a list anywhere where you keep track of articles that you think need to be improved with notes about how they could be improved? This may help us get more student editors to select those topics. Jami (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:13, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. I do have my own to do list but its very niche and half of them probably arnt worth doing - probably of little use to yourself. In academic assignments I notice that everyday concepts sometimes get overlooked in favour of more obscure topics. I have mentioned 5 articles above. A sixth article that is a fundamental subject in poor shape is bullying. These everyday concepts which get high hit rates I think are particularly urgent if they are in poor shape. Im sure I could write a paragraph on each of the six giving some insight into what needs to be done although they are self evidently in poor shape (little detail and poorly sourced). I can probably think of more important articles worth doing. There are also issues with just certain aspects of articles on a smaller scale, for example smear campaign is strongly orientated around politics rather than personal abuse, and there is nowhere that explains the relationship between narcissism and individualism.--Penbat (talk) 19:40, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I have seen recommendations that students look at Wikipedia:Requested articles (eg Wikipedia:Requested articles/Social sciences/Psychology) or articles with Stub or Start status when selecting an assignment. Although some of those are worth creating/expanding, the majority are obscure or niche. Important "C-class" articles often get overlooked especially those rated as "high-importance". For example Talk:Attention seeking and Talk:Bullying are both rated "C-class" and "high-importance". Talk:Praise is actually "Start-class" and "high-importance". However, grading of articles has often not been done reliably or consistently - Talk:Blame is "C-class" and "mid-importance", Talk:Child grooming is "Start-class" and "mid-importance" and Talk:Psychological manipulation is "C-class" and "mid-importance" but they still in my view need urgent attention.--Penbat (talk) 08:37, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
My current list of psychology articles needing improvements is given here: User:Ian_(Wiki_Ed)/Content_coverage/Psychology.--Penbat (talk) 10:43, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK editathon[edit]

Hi, I have been adapting the education Program extension for use with editathons. (See here: Education Program:Wikimedia UK/Cinema Museum 2015 (Spring 2015)). Do I need Course instructor userrights to be listed as the instructor for this? Fabian Tompsett (WMUK) (talk) 09:59, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Fabian. Yes, you need 'course instructor' rights to add yourself as an instructor. (You can be added by someone else with 'course coordinator' rights, even if you don't have the instructor right.) I've added the instructor right for you, and also added to as instructor to that page.--ragesoss (talk) 13:41, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sage, thanks for that, much appreciated.Fabian Tompsett (WMUK) (talk) 14:10, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Deleting a course[edit]

Hi. I'm just curious about something. Going to the courses page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Courses#, it looks rather easy to delete any course. Is that vulnerable to vandalism? If a course is deleted and we wanted to restore it, would all the students need to re-enroll? That'd be unfortunate. Anyway, keep up the good work! ProfGray (talk) 02:04, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

User:ProfGray: It's possible for anyone with the instructor right, or anyone with admin rights, to delete a course. But it can be undeleted, and the students and other data will still be retained. Vandalism hasn't been a problem.--Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 02:09, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Did I see you...[edit]

...on 60 Minutes? About 8:15 in the April 5 show. — Brianhe (talk) 23:39, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

User:Brianhe: Yep! :D --Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 23:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)