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Edit to Michael Jordan article[edit]

Are you saying that once an article achieves FA status that it can't be improved by further edits? Duke53 | Talk 02:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all. I wasn't clear on what exactly you were referring to when stating, see Marion Jones' talk page. Your edit summary was a bit ambiguous. If you are looking to change the entire opening, it would be best to discuss first. Zodiiak 03:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My edit summary was not in the least ambiguous; apparently many editors feel that the mention of a person's university affiliation has no business being in the lead of an article. Just trying for some consistency here. Duke53 | Talk 03:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"See Marion Jones talk page; apparently this is the accepted format." The talk page has 5 subsections with various matters and discussions on it; the edit was unclear that you were referring directly to the inclusion of the University. Personally, I do not see a reason why you were not allowed to include Marion Jone's college affiliation in the lead. However, MJ's case is much stronger since it is countlessly mentioned throughout his career; from the origins of his "clutch" capabilities to his establishment of players in his new organizations (traded for stackhouse [UNC alum]), etc. Zodiiak 04:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Since the edit I'd made to the Michael Jordan article was merely deleting the mention of his university affiliation it should have been very clear which discussion at Talk:Marion Jones‎ was relevant. Duke53 | Talk 04:34, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
An entire paragraph was moved in the wiki edit and multiple sentences were highlighted diff in red. The page is monitored aggressively for vandals and lead changes. Edit summaries are not only for listing reasons for changes, but also to describe the changes made. Zodiiak 02:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Zodiiak is right. Jordan spent a couple of years in college playing basketball and achieved a number of things as a college basketball player. Quite a bit of the body of the article is devoted to that. As the lead is a summary of the article, the mention of where he played his college basketball is unavoidable. It is different if it was mentioned for no reason at all. Suppose this was an article about a notable college basketball player instead who is/was not in the NBA -- what then? Is it wrong to mention which college he played for? Chensiyuan 07:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hakim Warrick[edit]

I'm about to get a picture of Hak on Wikipedia and then I'm going to submit it for review for Good Article status. Any other suggestions before I do so? Thanks again. Chengwes 15:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give it a read tomorrow and let you know -- Thanks! Zodiiak 02:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Just let me know when you read it! Chengwes 15:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I read through it. It needs some copyediting and maybe less sections. I'll chime in a bit and see if I can help with the copyediting. Zodiiak 05:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Barkley[edit]

No prob, let me know if you've got another project in mind. Maybe LeBron James? I took my eyes off that for a while due to some crazy people having crazy ideas, but I've returned to hawk over it lol. Chensiyuan (talk) 03:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was planning on working on that one as well. I pretty much drifted as well, after putting in countless hours fixing it. But, it seems like a good project to work on =) Zodiiak (talk) 03:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kobe Bryant nickname[edit]

In Canada, most canadian sportscasters used the nickname Kobra for Kobe Bryant. I consider you not removing it as a "fannote" since people actually know him as Kobra. ~~Annoyomous24~~ (talk) 09:57, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not published anywhere in the states, and is not common. Therefore, it is a fan note. Zodiiak (talk) 10:00, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well the English Wikipedia isn't all USA, it's the English version of Wikipedia, and I know it is rarely used but it's still a nickname. ~~Annoyomous24~~ (talk) 00:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Review: Verifiability Zodiiak (talk) 05:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is the closest proof that I found. I proved to myself that Kobra is not an offical nickname for Kobe Bryant but it's still used in the public [1] ~~Annoyomous24~~ (talk) 21:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It still looks like it's just a fan note, but thanks for taking the time to research. Zodiiak (talk) 21:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MJ Steaks[edit]

Did you click on the link? Is he really into steaks now... Chensiyuan (talk) 02:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like an advertisement. I'm not even sure if it's officially sponsored by MJ. If it is, it needs to be cited from reliable source to back up the claim. Otherwise, it's irresponsible for Wiki to allow such an article/link on here. Zodiiak (talk) 02:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kobe Bryant[edit]

I was just wondering, who has the most points in a qarter and a half? Wilt Chamberlain? ~~Annoyomous24~~ (talk) 21:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most points is Wilt with 59 in 1969 and Quarter is George Gervin with 33 in 1978. Zodiiak (talk) 21:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for clearing things up with that situation.~~Annoyomous24~~ (talk) 17:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barkley's height[edit]

That doesn't make Barkley looking close to 6'4" because he stands beside two actors who are around 6'3" in height. So Barkley looks at least two inches taller than them. Other websites describe Barkley being 6'5" in height. See google for that. D@rk talk 16:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I changed my edit to 6Ft 4 again but I'm telling you, Barkley's height as 6'4" is undermeasured. D@rk talk 17:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your concerns and I support anything that is noted by a reputable source. So long as you have a valid source that can trump any of the previous sources, I will fully support it. Unfortunately, a picture does not validate any claim. Zodiiak (talk) 01:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Informing past contributors of new TFD for Template:Maintained[edit]

As you were a contributor in the last TFD, I am letting you know that {{Maintained}} is again up for deletion. Please review the current version of the template and discuss it at the TFD. Thanks! — BRIAN0918 • 2008-01-30 17:48Z

Kobe Bryant[edit]

Please!! Do not terrorize Kobe Bryant anymore. The 'ASSAULT' case has nothing to do with his "Basketball Career". Dwilso (talk) 08:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How long have you been on Wikipedia? How many good articles or featured articles have you written? I am not "terrorizing" the article, or whatever you may want to call it. To insert the controversy in the lead is mandatory by wikipedia guidelines, please read Wikipedia:LEAD. Zodiiak (talk) 02:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
User:TonyTheTiger continues to vandalize this page. He has reverted since you last set it straight. Please see to it that it is restored and I highly suggest warning him of being blocked upon future reversions against Wikipedia policy.--Illadelph halflife (talk) 03:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The person above is the vandal or sockpuppet.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 11:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That may or may not be true. However, there is no reason for you to continue to remove the sexual assault controversy in Kobe Bryant's article and then attempt to mask your edit by falsely claiming you are updating the Lakers current roster [2]. WP:Lead clearly states, "[the lead] should establish context, summarize the most important points, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and briefly describe its notable controversies, if there are any." Zodiiak (talk) 12:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

James[edit]

Nice try threatning me with the 3 revert rule, but it won't work, since you reverted the article as well.

However, let's try to figure this out another way. Please tell me, what makes you believe that there is such thing as an "Official NBA weight" for players? Do you actually believe the NBA weighs its players every year? --Bender235 (talk) 16:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not threatning -- you reverted the article twice today, a third on the same edit makes 3. Charles Barkley for years said they incorrectly noted his height at 6 6" but he's actually 6 4"-- we nonetheless record his height at 6 4" because we cannot take a players word for it (how do we know they are not exaggerating? How do we know James was not exaggerating?). I think at most, it garners a mention in the article, maybe a note with his quote after he had the 50 pt 10 asst 8 board game in MSG? Zodiiak (talk) 18:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why exactly should James be exaggerating? Who else should know better how tall he is and how much he weighs than James himself? Again, the NBA does not weigh players on a regular basis; they're doing it once: at the NBA Pre-Draft camp. Now if LeBron says: "No, the official data is now wrong, I gained some weight," why should we doubt it? If he'd be quoted saying his birthplace wasn't Akron, Ohio but Kingston, Jamaica, who are we not to trust him? Who is supposed to know it better? --Bender235 (talk) 23:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to go back and forth with this. Measurements/Statistics are completely different from a location. He also said he's 6 9" -- which means he would have gained an inch. The NBA routinely updates a players stats at the end of the year. Last year, LeBron came in at 240lbs and was updated in 2008 at 250. If his official weight / height is then changed by the NBA then we should change it. Until then, it's best if we go what's on Record not by heresay. Zodiiak (talk) 23:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do you realize that ESPN (AP material) also lists James at 6-9? [3] --Bender235 (talk) 12:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
His listed height is still 6'8'', source. I don't really care for arguing. If you want to change it, knock yourself out. If it continues to be reverted by other users, then I highly recommend you actually reach consensus at the Talkpage before engaging in edit wars. Leave me out of it. Zodiiak (talk) 00:12, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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LeBron James[edit]

  • Ladies, gentlemen, and other Wikipedians of good cheer: Might I suggest some informal mediation or a third opinion here? -- JeffBillman (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, but I have said this for the last month or so and despite the overall consensus at the LeBron James talk page, the user continues to revert edits. Zodiiak (talk) 17:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Tiptoety talk 17:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I welcome this warning and ask that you review the LeBron James page and observe how the user has ignored these rules for the past month and nothing has been done. I've been editing on Wikipedia for over a year and have never seen such blatant disregard. It's unbelievable. Zodiiak (talk) 17:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, well the best way to stop the edit warring and violations of 3RR is to not take part in them yourself, instead start (or take part in) a discussion on the talk page, and if you feel someone has violated 3RR (which might I add can only be violated on the fourth revert) then report them to WP:AN3 or request protection of the page. Let me know if there is any other way for me to be of assistance. Cheers, Tiptoety talk 17:53, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I've tried to begin a discussion on the talkpage for the past month. And despite overall consensus agreeing with the original content, which the user reverted, he continued to ignore the rules. We have begun a new section on the issue and hopefully this issue will become resolved. It's ridiculously petty, but it's the overall wikipedia principle regarding verifiability and mutual consensus. Thanks. Zodiiak (talk) 17:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can understand your frustration, might I recommend requesting informal mediation? Tiptoety talk 17:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pointing me to this, i'm putting in a request now! Zodiiak (talk) 17:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, no problem. At this time I think informal mediation is the way to go, but if that proves to not work and the parties involved continue to edit war that I would recommend taking it to a more formal process. Cheers, Tiptoety talk 18:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Will do, thanks again! Zodiiak (talk) 18:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation[edit]

Hi Zodiac! I've noticed your entry for mediation on the article about LeBron James, and I'm interested in it. I will be putting a couple of questions on the case page, if you could answer them we could get this whole thing underway and hopefully resolved soon. Thanks! Kntrabssi (talk) 22:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I've responded there =) Zodiiak (talk) 06:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Zodiiak! Firstly, I apologize for being gone for so long. I didn't receive a notification on my talk page that you guys had responded so I sort of drifted off I guess! Anyway, I've offered a compromise at the page. Take a look! Kntrabssi (talk) 09:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Bill Russell FAR[edit]

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Thanks, Zagalejo^^^ 05:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Dwyane Wade question[edit]

Like you I noticed Wade's article had no college section, so I started adding it in. Right now there's no mention his of being All-America in 2002 or his conference POY Awards. I just thought more info about Wade's collegiate awards might fit well in the article. Did you leave it out for a reason? [[D-free]] (talk) 16:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope -- feel free to add it back in. If not, i'll add it in. I was just confused as to why the good article version of it's college section was completely removed. I'm all for adding to it. Please feel free to expand. Zodiiak (talk) 04:03, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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