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Categorization by place guidelines
Reading the guidelines of categorization by place, it seems that occupations are to be split by nationality, not by location. So why do we have Category:Actors from New York City and hundreds of other such categories? Please read Wikipedia:Categorization of people#by place to see what I am saying.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:53, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Category graph study
Categorising people with uncertain birth years
Your views are invited at Wikipedia talk:People by year#Ambiguity vs accuracy. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:21, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Sort keys - churches
There is a lot of inconsistency in the sort key used for churches. Most are sorted by the name of the church (often the church's dedication), but many UK churches are sorted by the location in which the church is situated. This does not really fit with any of the examples in WP:SORTKEY.
The argument for sorting by location is that many churches share names or dedications with other churches, so that sorting by name or dedication is not useful (i.e. makes the article harder to find). But that is not an argument that we use for other articles with disambiguators - we do not sort by disambiguator. Also, there is variation in the location disambiguator used for churches (neighbourhood vs. city vs ecclesiastical parish), so if a churches are in location order, it is necessary to guess which disambiguator has been used. And what happens if no disambiguator is used or needed?
The last time this was discussed, here, there wasn't much support for the idea that churches should be sorted by location rather than name of the church. Do you know of any more recent discussion?--Mhockey (talk) 23:05, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- No I'm not aware of any discussion. Sorting churches by "Saint", etc may work for some categories, but IMO it does not work for lists only of churches. For example look at Category:Grade I listed churches, Category:Grade II listed churches and Category:Grade II* listed churches. If they were sorted in this way the great majority would be under "Saint", which IMO would not be particularly useful; sorted by location in this sort of example makes more sense to me. Even in a subcat such as Category:Grade I listed churches in Somerset, it seems to me to work better to sort on location rather than on dedication. Maybe sorting by dedication is OK in a mixed category, but IMO for a churches-only category sorting by location is much more useful. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:47, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- The default sort should never be by location. The default sort should be by the name of the church fully spelled out, no abbreviations or apostrophes. Now if there is justification or some specific guidance to use a different sort in a single category then an exemption can be made and this can be done with the pipe feature on those category entries. In no case should a local preference override the general guidance in the default sort setting for any article. Also your example simply show that the normal default sort works better. In those categories, it is simply impossible to find a specific church unless you know what the location is. That is not how categories work. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:38, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
The derogatory nature of the term "conspiracy theorist" has come up often in relation to Category:Conspiracy theorists; the last deletion discussion in 2008 seemed to lean towards a renaming, though nothing was done. Since the article Conspiracy theory admits that "In recent decades the term has acquired a derogatory meaning", is it really appropriate to categorise living people in this way? I think not. I also think it somewhat less of an issue for people to be categorised in the specific subcategories, like Category:9/11 conspiracy theorists, where at least the person is ascribed a specific category of belief, and not a general or non-specific tendency towards looniness. Although it must be said that Category:9/11 conspiracy theorists is an excellent example of the confused way in which the derogatory term is applied: I'm not aware of a single person on the planet believing that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by one individual!
Anyway, is there some way to request that the main category be emptied and kept empty, and people in it categorised only in the subcategories? Or, since the last deletion discussion was in 2008, is it reasonable to have another review of whether the term should be used at all? Podiaebba (talk) 23:53, 16 December 2013 (UTC)