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Cancionero de Palacio[edit]

Hi, thanks for informing of the problems you found in the article; I tried to address them the best I could, although I'm not an expert in the subject and had just translated the article from the Spanish version "as is". regards, Capmo (talk) 07:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

pay per click[edit]

Because the article was deleted for Copyvio?? Béria Lima msg 09:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Note to self: Assuming Beria is responding to the following comment of mine about Pay per click on User_talk:Ripchip_Bot:
Just wondering why your bot removed an interwiki link to the it article (diff) from Pay per click.
as a look at his Talk page shows plenty of complaints about User:Ripchip Bot.

However, the article was not deleted, it's still there.
Mathglot (talk) 19:47, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

should these articles be in WP?[edit]

In this section I'll list articles I've come across that I believe might not meet the criteria for inclusion, but I'm uncertain and need advice about guidelines from an Admin. If not relevant, then I assume they should then be nominated for deletion.

Lists of terms[edit]

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I need some advice on whether to nominate an article for deletion, and secondly, whether I should modify a Help page to include a clarifying statement about glossaries/lists of terms.

First, are articles consisting solely of a glossary of related terms relevant for WP? I tend to think not.

Case in point for this Help request, this article: Commonly used terms of relationship and comparison in dentistry

There's no doubt that I found this page useful, looking up the meaning of words like distal and buccal, but I question whether it belongs in WP. Guidelines WP:NOT#DICT and WP:NOTDICDEF don't specifically address the case of a page of definitions, but the latter does say this:

Wikipedia is not a dictionary or a slang, jargon or usage guide. and
Each article in an encyclopedia is about a person, or a people, a concept, a place, an event, a thing etc.

It seems to me that the referenced article is in fact a jargon list, and is not about some person/concept/event, etc. and as such should perhaps be folded into "tooth" or "dentistry" or perhaps split into constituent atoms and moved to Wiktionary.

Furthermore, based on the title ("Commonly used terms...") it seems clear that this article is not intended as a stub of a future article about some topic to be developed later. Should I nominate it for deletion?

As a secondary point, perhaps a senior admin would like to edit the WP:NOTDIC Help page itself, to add, if appropriate, something like,

An article is not a list of terms relating to some field. A clue might be articles that are named something like,
  • "List of terms relating to..."
  • "Glossary of ... terms"
or similar. These should be (included in the main article/broken up and moved to Wiktionary/other??)

I hesitate to modify Help pages, but if you agree that the above recommendation is in the spirit of the current WP:NOTDIC page I'd be happy to add it if you wish. Thanks.
Mathglot (talk) 21:49, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Quick follow-up note: if it turns out that glossary pages are in fact not appropriate, maybe someone could point me to a "list of desired bots" help page, so someone could write a bot that would trawl for topics with suspicious-sounding glossary-like titles, and store the article name on a page to be examined manually later by Admins for appropriateness.
Mathglot (talk) 21:53, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't know the answers here. But the place for the discussion would be Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not, and a search in that page's archives shows that the question has been discussed before (Link to search results). If you read through some of those you will understand the reasoning behind the current wording at WP:NOTDIC.
To find a list of article titles beginning with "Glossary of", you could use Special:PrefixIndex. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:11, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


Mathglot (talk) 18:37, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

I should have mentioned Portal:Contents/Glossaries and Portal:Contents/Lists, which are intended to be reader-friendly introductions to these parts of Wikipedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:44, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

articles about a single book[edit]

{{HelpMe}} Should articles about a single book be kept, when all references are to the book itself?

This seems to violate WP:PRIMARY. Example: The Solitaire Mystery. Seems to me this article should be nominated for deletion.

Secondarily: the talk page for the Solitaire Mystery mentions that it is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels, and I wonder if the whole category should be eliminated, or at least drastically thinned out. Plenty of famous novels like Moby Dick, say, will have lots of secondary sources, and could be kept.

But The Solitaire Mystery seems way out of that category, and every line of it is original research.

Should I report this for deletion, and if so, how? I don't think that just adding a citation request banner will help much. Mathglot (talk) 22:46, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I think you have 3 choices, besides adding banners, as you said may not do much.
  1. Merge with the author WP:MERGE
  2. Proposed a deletion WP:PROD, if no one objects it goes 7 days later - although any editor can just object and remove the PROD
  3. Finally got for Articles for Deletion WP:AFD, where a discussion page will be used for editors to support or object. After a week an admin will decide if there is a consensus for deletion.
 Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:05, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Afd Added to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2012_January_27. Mathglot (talk) 00:24, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Translation of 95 year old philosophy.[edit]


I am trying to get a team together who would finally translate "Sistema di logica come teoria del conoscere" into English. I thought Wikipedia's list of Italian-to-English translators might be a good group to 'hit up' on this subject. If personal assistance cannot be provided, perhaps suggestions or helping point me in the right direction of who might be willing to help? Best regards & thank you. Nagelfar (talk) 05:22, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Auto-confirmed status - do I have it/why not[edit]


I tried to edit Pope Francis to make a one-word edit to one section, and was blocked by a banner saying the page was semi-protected, and I needed autoconfirmed status in order to edit it.

The description at User access levels, says:

A number of actions on the English Wikipedia are restricted to user accounts that pass certain thresholds of age (time passed since account creation) and edit count. Users who meet these requirements are considered part of the pseudo-group 'autoconfirmed'.

But I easily pass these criteria. Is there a 'special' or other place I can look to see if I have autoconfirmed status, and if not, why not? Mathglot (talk) 21:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The red banner doesn't mean you can't edit, it is just notifying you of the protection reason. If that doesn't work, go to WP:PERM and request the "manual confirmation" permission, explaining why in the reason :) gwickwiretalkediting 22:07, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Quarteto Novo[edit]

Created the en topic from the pt on Pi day, 2013. Working on both to improve them. The pt one needs references in pt.

Mathglot (talk) 17:35, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Also created the fr one on March 13.

Tips for other language wikis[edit]

(consider redoing this section per the great tips section at fr:Utilisateur:Elnon

Citation Templates:

  • {{Cite web}}{{cite web |url= |title= |last1= |first1= |date= |website= |publisher= |archiveurl= |archivedate= |accessdate= |quote= }}
  • es fr {{Lien web |langue= |auteur= |lien auteur= |coauteurs= |url= |titre= |série= |jour= |mois= |année= |site= |éditeur= |isbn= |page= |citation= |en ligne le= |consulté le= 17 juillet 2013 |id= }}
  • fr:Modèle:Ouvrage {{ouvrage|langue=|prénom1=|nom1=|lien auteur1=|titre=<!-- oblig -->|sous-titre=|lien titre=|numéro d'édition=|éditeur=|lien éditeur=|collection=|lieu=|année=|volume=|tome=|pages totales=|passage=|isbn=|consulté le=}}

Use (e.g.,) {{Lien|Ordre Ouissam Alaouite|lang=en|trad=Order of Ouissam Alaouite}} to link to an English page from a French page, where the French article being linked to doesn't exist yet, but the English one does. This red-links the first param (non-existent Fr page) and gives the link to the existing en article in '(en)'. See fr:Modèle:Lien.

Use {{Expand French|topic=geo|date=July 2013}} e.g., for articles in en wiki about Fr towns, or {{Expand French|date=June 2009|Ballade des pendus}} for a box including details of where to expand it from.
See TRANSWIKI/French for stuff to do.
See User:Stephen G. Brown esp. his wiktionary user page. Polyglot extraordinaire.

Flamers etc.[edit]

Flame warrior types, courtesy Mike Reed.
Tim Campbell links:



Added this to List of multi-level marketing companies but it will get speedily deleted according to the instructions there:

Vemma is a premium liquid nutrition company founded in 2004 and receiving financial page attention on Bloomberg, WSJ, and elsewhere.

  • Vemma has been recognized with numerous industry awards[2]...

See Talk:List_of_multi-level_marketing_companies Mathglot (talk) 00:08, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


  1. ^ "Vemma Nutrition Company". eReleases. May 2013. Retrieved 2013-04-25. 
  2. ^ "Vemma(R) Recognized With Eight Awards in Two Prestigious Competitions". Bloomberg. May 2013. Retrieved 2013-05-25. 


I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 00:23, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Mathglot,
I saw you gave me a small quenelle on my talk page ;-)
Feel free to correct my mistakes. I'm struggling with the references...
The Figaro says that the quenelle means "you got it in the ass" (l'équivalent de tu l'as dans le cul"), which is very similar to the English expression "up yours". :This is not perfect, this is a translation, but I think it is an honnest description of what the Figaro wrote. Blaue Max (talk) 09:51, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


Dear Mathglot, thank you for your kind comments on my talk page. In fact my mother tongues are English and Italian, but I have been living in a French-speaking area for 30 years, so indeed I probably mix things up at times. But the origin of the misuse of the term "important" in the bit you spotted was not me, it was that the original report was in French and I used the original word when I made the Wikipedia entry, which was of course a mistake. Thank you for having corrected it.--Gautier lebon (talk) 10:10, 10 February 2014 (UTC)


Hi Mathglot,

Your version is very good. Congratulations. I don't edit wp:fr so I prefer reporting you some "mistakes" here on your talk page:

Vemma a cinq gammes de produits : Vemma, Verve, Thirst, Bod-e, et Next, toutes basées sur la formulation nutritionnelle de base, nommée «Vemma» elle aussi.5
No real mistake but in French, you have to add spaces between brackets: «Vemma» -> « Vemma ». On wp:fr, the editor does it automatically. In English, the "note" is added after the point. In French, don't ask me why, it is added just before...-> "nommée «Vemma» elle aussi.5" becomes "nommée « Vemma » elle aussi5."
"Plusieurs des produits de la société contiennent de la caféine, dont quelques boissons dans la gamme «Verve» étant similaire au niveau de caféine trouvé dans des boissons énergisantes."
"Plusieurs des produits de la société contiennent de la caféine, dont quelques boissons dans la gamme «_Verve_» présentant un niveau de caféine similaire à celui présent dans les boissons énergisantes.
La gamme «Verve» est la boisson officielle des Suns de Phoenix, une franchise de basket-ball de la NBA dans l'Arizona.8
"dans l'Arizona" -> "en Arizona"
La société vend ses produits à travers de ses distributeurs indépendants
La société vend ses produits au travers (ou via) des distributeurs indépendants
connus dans la société comme «affiliés» mais autrefois connu sous le nom de «partenaires de la marque»
auxquels on fait référence dans la société en tant qu'« affiliés » mais qui autrefois étaient connus en tant que « partenaires de la marque »
Les affiliés gagnent un pourcentage de leur propres ventes de produit, ainsi qu'une partie de recettes provenant de la réseau de distributeurs qu'ils construisent.
Les affiliés gagnent un pourcentage de leurs propres ventes de produits ainsi qu'une partie des recettes provenant du réseau de distributeurs qu'ils construisent.
En 2014, la société commençait à décrire leur modèle en tant que marketing d'affiliation,
En 2014, la société décrivait son modèle en tant que marketing d'affiliation
... sans pour autant avoir changé le façon de remunérer les distributeurs qui vendent les produits aux consommateurs.
rémunérer - qui vendaient
Des critiques affirment que le simple changement de nom de leurs distributeurs en «affiliés» ne change rien par rapport au modèle d'entreprise, et que Vemma est toujours un MLM parce que leur régime de rémunération n'a pas changé.13
de leurs distributeurs -> de ses distributeurs
au modèle d'entreprise -> au modèle d'entreprise
leur régime -> son régime -> son système
Dans une action juridique aux États-Unis en 1999, la Federal Trade Commission a enjoint la société mère, New Vision International, de ne plus s'engager dans certaines pratiques publicitaires qui leur étaient reprochés auparavant.
-> "qui leur étaient reprochées auparavant" -> "qui leur avaient été reprochées".
Said that way in using "auparavant", it would mean at the time of the lawsuit it was not "reproché" any more.
La plainte de la FTC accusait New Vision des «actes ou pratiques injustes ou trompeuses,
...accusait New Vision d'actes
et de la fabrication de la publicité mensongère»
et de publicité mensongère (not "fabraction de" and not "de la")
Dans leur Décision et Ordonnance,
-> Dans sa décision
la FTC a ordonné
ordonne (Present tense because it is a generality that still lasts today. In French the present is usually used when the perfect past is used in English).
New Vision de cesser de faire des allégations de l'efficacité de leurs produits pour la santé,
-> de cesser de vanter les mérites de leurs produits pour la santé.
"allégations" has a negative sense.
et les a obliger
"et les a obligés" -> "et les oblige"
En novembre 2013 en Californie, Vemma Nutrition Co. a été le cible d'un recours collectif qui accuse la société des pratiques commerciales frauduleuses en le renouvellement automatique des charges sur les cartes des credit des clients sans autorisation.
la cible ... accusant la société ... de pratiques ... du fait qu'elle débitait automatiquement les cartes de crédit sans leur autorisation.

Pluto2012 (talk) 21:29, 12 February 2014 (UTC)


Hello Mathglot. I wanted to ask you to take a look at the subsequent discussion on the talk page of this newly split article. Thank you for your participation. Invertzoo (talk) 13:16, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Pectinidae[edit]


An article that you have been involved in editing, Pectinidae, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. KDS4444Talk 16:28, 5 August 2014 (UTC) KDS4444Talk 16:28, 5 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi, I'm not sure why you're stuck on this. I understand that the timing of the letter wasn't tied to the holiday, but referring to an event in an Episcopal seminary on "September 29" is like saying something happened on "December 25" - correct, but clunky and strange-sounding. It would not be "original synthesis" to name the elephant in the room and note that the event took place on Christmas Day, even if it were not a "Christmas event". (And given that we are already seeing calls to re-hire the "Michaelmas 8" it's hardly my own personal lark). Anyway by your logic, the entire reference would have to go, but you left in the line about it being the traditional first day of the year (i.e. of Michaelmas term): if you're going to do that, you might as well go whole hog; simply removing the word 'Michaelmas' would not bring the article into compliance, assuming you're right about OR. (If anything, I would expect the opposite: that September 29 is Michaelmas in the Episcopal Church is easily verifiable and citeable; I could conceivably see the "traditional start date" as synthetic, at a stretch, which was why I tweaked to the wording to "gives its name"). Yes, North American institutions normally start the academic year after Labour Day, even those (like my own and GTS) which hew to the traditional terminology: I don't seem to see the significance in that that you do but still, that's why I tweaked that so as to avoid OR. You seem to be prepared to grant all of that and yet adamant about removing the one word that could be confirmed by looking at a calendar. This really does not need to be contentious and I'm frankly a little baffled. Carolynparrishfan (talk) 15:03, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

My response here.Mathglot (talk) 01:12, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Everybody (in the West) reading the article knows what day Christmas Day is; try taking an opinion poll two blocks away from the Seminary and ask them what Michaelmas is, much less what day it falls on. I venture to say a tiny minority would ever have heard of the word.

You would have a relevant point if we were talking about an event that occurred two blocks from a seminary, rather than in a seminary. I certainly would not argue that Episcopal seminaries are a "minority" and a "certain group." But that is the "group" we are dealing with. Michaelmas is undoubtedly a relatively arcane word outside of seminary circles: good thing that's who we're talking about, eh?

You're quite right, by that logic it should go, but I left it in there because it's fairly minor

Okay, so you admit your decision about what to leave in and what to take out was arbitrary. That's progress, at least.

The September 29 date here has nothing to do with Michaelmas--it's merely coincidental and due to the timetable of the flow of events occurring at the seminary.

Absolutely. No one is contesting that it was a coincidence: the St Valentine's and St. Bartholomew's Day massacres weren't designed to coincide with those saints' days either, and the Ash Wednesday bushfires had "nothing to do" with the beginning of Lent, other than happening on it. That's just how it went down. You are confusing coincidence with triviality: the lack of causal relationship doesn't change the fact that these events happened - and were noted to have happened - when they did. Coincidence ≠ "nothing to do with": it didn't "have to do" with Michaelmas; it was Michaelmas.

the "one word that could be confirmed by looking at a calendar" should either be removed (since it was nowhere in the source you gave and thus "failed verification") or it should be sourced

So you would be fine with it it I simply provided a link to the Episcopal calendar, the one which is in effect at GTS and according to which September 29 is (coincidentally) Michaelmas? (Since the word "Michaelmas" was indeed in the source provided, I continue to be mystified by the definition of "failed verification" you're using, and the use of such counterfactual statements to defend it: if the source referring explicitly to Michaelmas was unsatisfactory for some other reason, just say so).

I think you are misconstruing disagreement as contentiousness.

I understand perfectly well what a disagreement is, and I am not able to locate one here. We seem to be on the same page that GTS is an Episcopal institution, that the firings occurred (coincidentally, to be sure) on September 29, that September 29 is Michaelmas in Episcopal schools (and others which follow the traditional "Oxbridge" calendar). So yes, the only difference is in your bizarre contention that putting two and two together is OR. If there were an actual disagreement, that would be another matter, but as far as I can tell you have not questioned the factual accuracy of anything I've said, only the sum of its parts. As I say, perhaps you thought I was trying to make a bigger point than I was: to be clear, no one thinks that this was "timed" to coincide with the holiday it did. (Or rather, no encyclopaedic source does: there was plenty of online speculation that the faculty walkout was indeed calculated to force the board's hand when it did).

That's another Guideline, in fact, assuming good faith on the part of other editors is one of the Five Pillars and a fundamental guiding principle of Wikipedia

As you note, I have been around the block, and I am well aware of the Pillars thank you. This has nothing to do with good faith: it is entirely possible to raise a frivolous, nitpicky, and, yes, ornery or contrarian objection in perfectly good faith and I don't doubt that you have done so. Blowing smoke up my ass about the venerability of my edit history while insinuating I don't know the MoS is not going to impress me.

I'm not disagreeing with you based on my own personal opinions about whether "Michaelmas" is a good way to describe September 29th in the context of an Episcopalian institution

Then we should have no problem. Michaelmas is "a good way to describe September 29 in the context of an Episcopalian institution." That can easily be verified in ways that don't transgress OR. That does not, however, seem to be good enough for you.

I am much less active on WP than I used to be. I really am not prepared to go to the wall for this: if it is really important to you to pretend "September 29" is a normal way for a non-robot to refer to a calendar date in a university setting, then so be it: I've done my bit, and I'm not the one who is going to look silly. The events in question unfolded very quickly, and most of the "Rehire the Michaelmas 8" material seems to have been removed from the web almost as quickly as it arose. (Indeed, finding coverage at all on sources that would pass muster under WP:RS was tricky). I am just trying to give you a heads up that "September 29" sounds as silly "in the context of an Episcopalian institution" as "December 25" or "October 31," whether you like the analogy or not. What you do with that information is up to you: I don't have a dog in this fight anymore; do what thou wilt. Over and out. Carolynparrishfan (talk) 06:41, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Lou Fant Reply[edit]

I'm glad you were able to make those additions to the Lou Fant page. I wish I knew more about him. AlbertBickford (talk) 22:05, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

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Would you please translate the entry "pt:Críticas à Rede Globo" for the wiki-en? Thankfully. (talk) 14:21, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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Otto von Sadovszky photo permission[edit]

Still waiting on OTRS for a word on the photo of Otto von Sadovszky. Mathglot (talk) 12:02, 17 December 2014 (UTC)