Talk:Vikings

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2022

At the end of the following text:

The Slavs and the Byzantines also called them Varangians (Russian: варяги, from Old Norse Væringjar 'sworn men', from vàr- "confidence, vow of fealty", related to Old English wær "agreement, treaty, promise", Old High German wara "faithfulness" [55]

I propose to be added:

, promise", Old High German wara "faithfulness" and Slavic, (both old and present days') vera (vyera, vyara) "faith, belief, credit". 212.200.247.101 (talk) 22:39, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.

Also, please don't repeat the same request just to get attention of others. NickyLam12 (My talk page) 07:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Sugestion

I propose, at the end of the following text:

The Slavs and the Byzantines also called them Varangians (Russian: варяги, from Old Norse Væringjar 'sworn men', from vàr- "confidence, vow of fealty", related to Old English wær "agreement, treaty, promise", Old High German wara "faithfulness" [55]

To be added:

and Slavic, (both old and present days') vera (vyera, vyara) "faith, belief, credit".

212.200.247.101 (talk) 22:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2022

Change :The character is featured in the 2011 Marvel Studios film Thor and its sequels Thor: The Dark World and Thor: Ragnarok. To: The character is featured in the 2011 Marvel Studios film Thor and its sequels Thor: The Dark World, Thor: Ragnarok and Thor: Love and Thunder. Zacupquark (talk) 16:52, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

 Partly done: I just removed all the names of the sequels as excessive detail. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Assimilation into Christendom

In this section appears the following line,

"The medieval Church held that Christians should not own fellow Christians as slaves, so chattel slavery diminished as a practice throughout northern Europe."

This line is unsourced and should be reworded to read "slavery" until sourcing is available. Chattel slavery is the buying, selling and breeding of slaves like livestock, something that emerged during the Age of Discovery when Europeans began enslaving Africans. I have never heard of chattel slavery being practiced in northern Europe during the Viking Age. Sources?? Jonathan f1 (talk) 02:24, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't know where you get that notion, but chattel slavery goes back to the time of Moses at least. It didn't become business on an industrial scale until the 1600s--1700s, but it most certainly was practiced by the Vikings, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, etc... Just before the Viking Age was the fall of the Roman Empire and the great migration period. The slave trade had primarily been a barter system for much of history, as was most of the economic structures. Money existed, but people didn't trust it. It wasn't until the Roman Empire that a stable monetary system developed, and a really stable economy, and thus slaves were really bought and sold for money. But all Rome did was import wealth. What went into Rome stayed in Rome. The fall of Rome came with the collapse of that monetary system, and all of Europe fell into disarray. Thats where we get into the Viking Age, and the time of Feudalism. Aka: the Manorial Age. This was a time when people lost all trust in money and big government. Life became communal and was all centered around the country manor. Each manor tried to be as self-sufficient as possible, growing their own food or even making their own weapons and tools. Most slaves at this time were serfs, which is basically the indentured servant variety. But there was still a slave trade going on, especially among the pagans, but for the next 900 years money practically fell into disuse. Trade still occurred, though. Zaereth (talk) 02:58, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

The Domesday Book records that 10% of the English population were slaves. This rose to 25% in Cornwall. The main source of slaves was those caught during warfare. After William the Conqueror Normans decided that giving a slave a piece of land and the right to own a cow, meant that the slaves could feed themselves. They became less of a burden on the Norman lord. As such the slaves became serfs and were part of the feudal system. There are numerous references to slaves in the medieval literature. The Vikings would transport surplus captives to sell at the Rouen slave market. Malcolm III of Scotland was well know for his forays into northern England and capture people to work as slaves north of the border. Look at Normans and slavery. or Slave raiding and slave trading in early England for more info.Wilfridselsey (talk) 15:43, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Sceience instead of Donald Duck history dating back to 1799

This article reflects Sharon Turners hopelessly unscientific view on vikings from 1799, and should be replaced with modern, scientific point of view, to make the article NPOV, and not just repeating myths like a parrot.

The term ”Viking” appears in Anglo-Saxon or Norse sources in the so-called Viking Age. Here it simply denotes pirates, no more, no less. It had no geographic or ethnic connotations that linked it to Scandinavia or Scandinavians. By contrast, in these sources we find it used anywhere about anyone who to an Anglo-Saxon or a Scandiniavian appeared as a pirate. Therefore we find it used about Israelites crossing the Red Sea; Muslims in Galleys* encountering Norwegian crusaders in the Mediterranean; Caucasian pirates encountering the famous Swedish Ingvar-Expedition, and Estonian and Baltic pirates attacking Scandinavians in the Baltic Sea. Thus the term was never used to denote Scandinavians as such. Therefore, if we wish to maintain Viking-Age studies on a scholarly level, we must stop acting as an appendix to the tourist industry by using the term Viking as if it was synonymous with Scandinavian and Scandinavians.

https://www.academia.edu/8906219/_Vikings_and_the_Viking_Age

Dan Koehl (talk) 11:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

So is your plan just to come back every few months to complain about the usage of the word Vikings in English?—Ermenrich (talk) 11:04, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an international project. Regardless which language section, all projects should reflect international usage of words, and reflect scientific interpretations, not opinions by individual people, who think all english men are experts on viking age, without ever reading a prime source, mentioning vikings. Wikipedia should not reflect what silly people in a bar THINK, it should reflect latest facts given by scolared experts. ( see above). Dan Koehl (talk) 11:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

You posted a link to an article about how the term Viking means “medieval Scandinavian of the Viking age” and how this usage goes back to Danish scholars, writing in Danish. That doesn’t really make your argument for you, does it? You’ve been making the same arguments for years. No one has ever been convinced. It’s unlikely anyone will. I’d suggest moving on.—Ermenrich (talk) 12:01, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

You are three times wrong in your answer; the article does NOT mention that he term Viking means “medieval Scandinavian of the Viking age”, contrary, it points out its a word which simply denotes pirates, no more, no less. 2. the article is in English, not in Danish. 3. Discussion on this page is NOT about me as a person, the subject is the word viking.Dan Koehl (talk) 18:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)