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New more recent sales figure

Anyone have a more up to date sales figure as the curent one is 3 months old?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.228.225 (talk) 22:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

IPTV

there's nothing about the Korean MegaTV IPTV service which was launched on November 20, 2007 in South Korea (official website). Cliché Online (talk) 19:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, there is. Dancter 20:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

got it. by the way i wasn't able to get it on my jap PS3. i'm not sure if it is a downloadable software like the Folding@Home or a korea special XMB 2.01 built-in. i think it's the first one, requesting several verifications which are not limited to Resident registration number (South Korea), these guys in korea are serious. the PS3 firmware seem to be universal though. MegaTV must be a downloadable software. Cliché Online 21:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

40 GB Chrome

The 40 GB is lacking a chrome strip that runs across the bottom of the PS3, should this be mentioned? Df747jet (talk) 08:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

yep, it belongs to the specific specs chart. Cliché Online 21:51, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

update, chrome trim is actually included in the jap 40GB model as shown here. Cliché Online 17:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

No dude, you don't get it, look at the 40 GB model shown here and look at the 60 GB shown here. Df747jet (talk) 21:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Well in the UK both have chrome strips (I believe) But the 60GB version has nicer ones... Also i tjhought that it was only the 20 GB that had No Chrome--Froggybuster (talk) 09:06, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone compared the photo's I posted? I'm not comparing which one is nicer. The 40GB lacks chrome trim on the base of the console. Df747jet (talk) 23:50, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanksgiving

Are there any numbers for black friday? Sony beat MS and Nintendo last month in Japan, and MS lied about how much they beat the PS3.--Playstationdude 20:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, they claimed they doubles PS3 sales, when actually they trippled PS3 sales. This should be added, also about how Sony said MS sold less than twice as many consoles, when actually it was more than twice as many. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.59.39 (talk) 03:29, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

60GB discontinued in Europe

There's no mention in the article that the 60GB model has been totally discontinued in Europe. THe only one officially on sale is the 40GB, meaning you can't buy a PS3 here with backwards compatability. And yet it STILL COSTS MORE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD!!! AAAAARGH ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chicknstu (talk • contribs) 17:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

"And yet it STILL COSTS MORE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD!!! AAAAARGH"

Please go back to school, take some lessons in economics, understand that US it plus tax (~4%), and the UK price includes tax (17.5%), and understand EU import levvies for good manufacturered outside the EU. Once you have looked at all these, you will understand it's NOT Sony that is screwing you, it's your goverment creaming off the money.--81.174.171.21 (talk) 08:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

the 60GB has been discontinued in america also and replased with the 80GB  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.21.101 (talk) 03:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC) 

HDCP

All this content and not a single mention of HDCP? The Playstation 3 requires a HDCP compliant TV or monitor to display HD resolutions. Otherwise it will default to 480i. Seems like pertinent information to me. 64.106.28.4 (talk) 18:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Please re-read the article and tell me where it says the howto on hooking up the PS3 to a TV via HDMI. Back? Now please consider this: the article states numerous times that the PS3 has HDMI specification 1.3a. In the wikipedia HDMI article, I quote: "Beginning with HDMI CTS 1.3a, any system which implements HDCP must do so in a fully-compliant manner. HDCP compliance is itself part of the requirements for HDMI compliance." with the sources in respected article. Any more questions?--WhereAmI (talk) 01:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

weasel words solution

The sentence "Many suggest[weasel words] that the removal of the 20 GB model in North America was probably made to save with manufacturing costs, as there is a difference in cost between the two models of around $30." Can be easily reworded to do away with the weasel words and other grammatical incoherencies. My suggestion is "It is widely speculated that the removal of the 20 GB model from the North American Market was probably done in order to save manufacturing costs, as there is a difference in cost between the two aforementioned models of around $30." This is my best suggestion based on my advanced writing skills and analysis. Use it or a similar composition if you so desire but I'm not forcing the designated author to use it whatsoever. Just a helpful suggestion, that's all.

    Alan --24.184.184.177 (talk) 05:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

There is no designated author to this page. The reason you think you may not be able to change anything is because of your IP address instead of making a wikipedia account. We have to take the measure of stopping IP addresses from changing things because of constant, and do I mean CONSTANT, vandalism. Please make a Wikipedia account - it's easy, up in the right hand corner it says "sign up" and just follow the step by step instructions.--WhereAmI (talk) 19:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Reception Section

I'm not trying to start a huge battle here, but I feel that the "Reception" section is getting out of hand. I mean, it's been more than a year since the PS3 launched, so who wants to read a detailed decription of what was said/thought a year ago? I think the section needs to be greatly reduced and placed in a historical context (ie. equal representation for both sets of opinions and only the best/most eloquent examples of reactions should be retained. see the Wii's section on this for what I mean). I eagerly await your thoughts on my proposal. Thingg (talk) 00:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Archive for this page

Would someone who completely understands how to do so please achive this page? I looked at the help articles on how to move a page, but I don't completely understand it. Thanks Thingg (talk) 00:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I will archive as of November and leave some recent topics then. If there is any concerns, just go back to the archive and bring them back out. While doing this I noticed things are missing - July-much of August...--WhereAmI (talk) 01:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Done, and I found what was missing, the old archive was just never closed, I do not know if thats standard Wikipeida policy or what.--WhereAmI (talk) 01:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

SACD

Someone needs to add something about firmware 2.00 being able to output SACD as 5.1 DTS over the optical cable. And then say that firmware 2.01 actually removed this function, without Sony providing a reason for the change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.203.71.130 (talk) 10:52, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Edit: Ignore me, just realised it's in the main System Software article. Sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.203.71.130 (talk) 10:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Correct. There was a statement in the original article about the DSD-to-DTS conversion feature in 2.00 but I notice it's gone now (probably removed after 2.01 was issued).

Note that Sony never documented the feature in the first place so they needn't account for removing it again. The Seventh Taylor (talk) 20:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Removed second "Selected Home Video Game Consoles" template

I don't think it is necessary to include the "Selected Video Game Consoles" twice in this article. I understand why it was probably included the second time, but I feel it is unnecessary. If you disagree, please feel free to put it back. Thingg (talk) 22:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

PlayStation Network?

It should be PLAYSTATION Network...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vincent Pun (talk • contribs) 10:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia uses standard English capitalization. See MoS:TM. --McGeddon (talk) 11:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion for making this article shorter

I did not put that tag on this page, but I definately agree with it. I looked at the page, and I noticed that a good portion of the present article is made up of a section on the PS3's system software. Does anyone object to me moving most of that information to the PlayStation 3 System Software article? At the present, all that page has is basically a list of the updates to the system software and what they added. I feel that the information on the PS3's software capabilities will fit in very appropriately with the information that is already there. If no one has any objections, I will move the information within 36 hours. Thingg (talk) 02:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The system software section on this article should be moved to PlayStation 3 System Software, and it should be compressed and made concise on this article. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 08:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The Prose Timeline conflict

The Prose Timeline conflict is pointless. Wikipedia is nearing a strange kind of conflict here. If wikipedia is trying to be a professional encyclopedia, why on earth would they allow everyone everywhere to edit it? They obviously aren't professionals and cannot be expected to produce professional quality work. On the other hand, to complain about an inappropriate mixture of prose and timeline format is ignorant. A list is an appropriate addition to a prose piece, and a timeline must include prose explanations of each entry. And the claim of its inappropriate nature isnt supported with any details. I've studied writing for years, journalism is my college major, and I can assure you that it is not an inappropriate mixture of prose and a timeline. If copyediting is the issue, go ahead and claim it needs to be written better. I would support a motion to ask that it be written more clearly, but at this point, I move to take down that really ignorant banner complaining about its inappropriate nature. Thend (talk) 21:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The Prose Timeline conflict is gone. So, no one debated the issue I raised earlier, and I went ahead and relieved the article of that additional clutter. Thend (talk) 22:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm the one who added the banners originally, back when the template read, "This article or section may contain proseline." I'm not a professional writer, but it was my opinion that the text suffered from the style problems laid out in the essay to which the template links. I didn't major in journalism in college, so it's not as clear to me how I was so ignorant in adding them. If you're willing, I would appreciate some guidance on the matter. Dancter (talk) 22:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

The response Alright, well, I cannot make it clear to you that you were ignorant in adding those banners, because I never claimed that you were ignorant. So, let's concede that there was no personal attack there. I do harbor a particular animosity for misused banners, however, and this is wikipedia, so we have before us a forum dedicated to discussing why I might be against something you thought was appropriate. And if you thought that it was, that's fine, but we have discussion pages so I can tell everybody why I disagree, and so you can tell everyone why you thought so in the first place.

It's not unreasonable to have seen the format of the article and thought, ok, this should be revised. and it should, but the proseline thing is not the issue. what most likely caused this article to appear this way, was that it was updated on the relevant dates and was meant to be a really up-to-date article about how great playstation 3's were going to be, and then no one took care of it for a while. So we're left with this list of headlines describing action that is no longer current. So, the proseline banner is not a clear or applicable way to describe that the dates are no longer relevant or necessary information, and that someone should condense the article to contain information we need to know now.

There are two main criteria for news stories. One states that the article must be about new information that holds consequence for its readers. Or, the second states that the article must contain new information of consequence about an old topic. So the dates should be taken out because this is no longer news, this no longer holds consequence.

So, I'm saying that the proseline banner is not applicable to the text (1), and that is was not the best way to let the community know that revisions should take place (2). And as you thought my earlier post could have been personally offensive, its a bit inflammatory to include a big banner proclaiming that a part of the article is inappropriate. Thend (talk) 21:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Info needed

Some information is needed on why the price cut seen in the U.S hasn't been done in Europe and Australia. Also we need information on why the PS3 is so much more expensive in the U.S. For example, the current exchange rate is $1AUD is almost 90 U.S cents, however the console costs around $500USD, but the 60GB version costs around $900AUD in Oz. Is SONY deliberately "price gouging" to make up for lost profits? Frvernchanezzz (talk) 08:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Almost every company in the world who sells in both the US, Japan, Europe and AU Price gauges. I am sick of it, being in the UK. It isnt just Sony. --Froggybuster (talk) 09:10, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Notes on my major edit

I had previously suggested that this change be made. I feel the article is now a reasonable length and I will be removing the tag from the page. Also, when updating the section on system software in this article, please only put a summary until the most recent "major" update. (eg. if the next update is v2.02, then add the info for that update and leave the rest, but if it is v2.10, then remove the present inforamtion and replace it with a summary of the new update). The PlayStation 3 System Software article is the place to put a detailed description of the PS3's software updates. Thanks . Thingg (talk) 15:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Sales

The sales update to this article is way past overdue —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.35.86.204 (talk) 19:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Its best to wait for official quarterly reports, none of that inaccurate vgchartz stuff, or whatever spam the companies shout from their mouth to make it seem like they are doing better than competitors. Every company does that, by the way. --WhereAmI (talk) 00:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

According to the latest reports the number of ps3 that have been sold worldwide is 7.47 million as of November 2007. You need to update this!!!!! according to the following website:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20071218093126_Sony_Hopes_to_Sell_11_Million_PlayStation_3_Systems_to_Consumers_by_Late_March.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noorkhanuk85 (talk • contribs) 03:18, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

That source used VGChartz, which is actually pretty unreliable. We'll wait for the quarterly reports. Chan Yin Keen | Talk 03:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

The part that suggests the PS3 is outselling all other consoles according to the GfK figures quoted by the Sony Aus bigwig in Australia may have been correct at launch (which isn't a shock), but now things have settled down, the PS3 is unfortunately lagging. The 3rd quarter GfK sales figures show the PS3 selling 27,000 units compared to 40,000 for the Xbox 360 and 61,000 units for the Wii. Source: http://www.theage.com.au/news/articles/sony-cuts-ps3-price-by-a-third/2007/10/08/1191695789355.html Kirium82 (talk) 05:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

2.10 Major update Now Available

The next major System Software Update 2.10 is now available.

I have added details of what the update contains in the PlayStation 3 System Software article. Denzelio (talk) 03:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, good job. — EliasAlucard (talk · contribs) 20:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

About the retail configuration

Can we be reasonable and agree on one specific example of how the retail configuration box is going to be modelled and what it is going to include and not include? Because every time I check it is a different version. This has been the case for several months now, that it is being reshaped at least twice every week. We need a more static retail configuration box. — EliasAlucard (talk · contribs) 20:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

In Production vs Availability

I switched the last line of the table back to "In Production", and marked the 60GB PAL as "No", since anything not in production might be (and at the moment almost certainly is) still available from various merchants. You can still buy Sega Genesis games factory sealed from certain merchants, so there's no way to prove when all stock is sold from every merchant - availability is too subjective to market conditions, whereas In Production is much easier to prove. Ruyn (talk) 14:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Proposal for new subarticles

Does anyone object to me making seperate articles for the bulk of the info under "Retail configurations" and "Games"? I feel these sections are far to detailed for a broad discussion of the PS3. I thought I should ask here before I do this. Thingg (talk) 18:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I would say they should probably stay here. A new article called "Retail configurations of PlayStation 3" probably shouldn't be created, because the different versions of the ps3 would be one of the main pieces of information people are looking for when they read the article PlayStation 3. Same with the "Games" section - I think it gives a good summary of PS3 games, and then links to the other articles about them, such as this, this, and this. Although I do suppose the "Games" section could be trimmed down (much the same way you did in the System Software section) and then the bulk of the information from the Games section could be merged with the information on List of PlayStation 3 games and List of PlayStation Network games into an article called PlayStation 3 games. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 07:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was kind of thinking along the same lines. I'll try to do it later today. Thingg (talk) 13:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Dead links

Citations 14, and 15 are dead. The pages no longer exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.205.202 (talk) 02:42, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

External links

==External links== needs {{cleanup}} & headlined.75.152.131.91 (talk) 01:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Controller input

I have just reverted this edit. The reason I reverted it is because all reliable sources state that the PS3 supports 7 wireless controllers. I don't care if you state that you own a PS3 and you think can't use more than 4 controllers - you are not a reliable source, so unless you can find a reliable source that explicitly states it can only support 4 controllers, it is original research and cannot be added. Besides this, games such as FIFA 08 do actually have support for seven players. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 02:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

A price typo?

The price for games listed near the end of the Launch section appears to contain a typo, but I am unsure of how it should read. It currently reads:

Local PS3 game standard price is MXN$8,99.

Darthmarth37 (talk) 05:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

"Launch" section proposal

Does anyone have any problem with me removing some of the launch information under the "launch" section? All of the info and more is listed in the PlayStation 3 launch article and I feel it is unnecessary to list the info in both places. Thingg (talk) 01:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Go ahead. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 01:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

"Retail Configurations" section proposal

I would like to propose making a small article called Timeline of PlayStation 3 SKUs or something similar to list the information that is currently placed under the table of SKUs. Most of the info probably doesn't need to be listed here, and I feel this article would be fine without it being included. Then, if readers wish to find out more about when and where the SKUs were released, they can just click on the link and read away. Thingg (talk) 01:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I support the creation of the new article. In the "Retail configurations" section of this article, I think that the table and the couple of sentences above it should stay on the main PS3 article, though the rest should be moved to the new article. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 01:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the support. I already did the change to the "launch" section because no one will probably object. I think I'd better wait a little on this proposal though. If no one objects before then, I 'll do it sometime tomorrow. Thingg (talk) 02:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Proposal for simular format on Hardware

Reading through the technical specifications in the hardware portion of the article, I find it hard to get the information. I propose that it be formated simular to the Wii's sub-article: Technical specifications Seth Hikari (talk) 23:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Slight Mistake

There is a slight mistake under the 'PlayStation Portable Connectivity' subheading. It says that the 'Remote play has since expanded to allow remote access to the PS3 via PSP from any wireless access point in the world.', but does not mention that the wireless access point has to have internet. Just a slight mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oharapj (talk • contribs) 07:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure when most people read that, they assume it has to have internet access. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 09:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Playstation 4

Playstation 3 & PS4 News There are already some adverts and news articles on GameFAQs about the PS4. However, upon visiting the site listed above, there appears to be nothing about the PS4 on the page. Maybe a new advertising ploy to get readers? 69.156.176.163 (talk) 00:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Should not have to worry about PS4 news or article for a long time, even at the rumors for it because of the many times said that there will be no need to make a new Playstation for many years Seth Hikari (talk) 01:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

PS3 Sales hit 5 million in north america

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/sony-shares-rise-after-blu-ray/story.aspx?guid=%7B3F99E6CE-FCF3-40F8-9EB7-F67B0EB21EAD%7D

The figure does not really add up. NPD says that the PS3's US sales up to October 2007 were 2.3 million.

November's US sales were 466 thousand.

December's US sales were 1.2 million.

This gives a grand total of just under 4 million (3,966,000) PS3 consoles sold in the US.

Maybe the figure they are quoting includes Canada/Mexico/rest of north america. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.125.22.164 (talk • contribs)

Fix link

Someone with an account should change the link for "Removal of hardware support" to PlayStation_3_games#Removal_of_hardware_support as this section was moved to another article. I can't b/c it's semiprotected. 216.68.56.218 (talk) 14:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Fixed --Johnm4 (talk) 04:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Update japan nos plz

http://kotaku.com/341452/how-japanese-gaming-did-last-year-friggin-good • PS3 2007 sales (assumed): 1,206,3471 Total sales (estimated): 1,673,063 Its from enterbrain owners of famitsu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karbfg10k (talk • contribs) 15:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

60 GB Query

I'm confused. The US 80 GB model has backward compatibility and the US 40 GB does not. Does the US 60 GB? Please respond. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.218.13.211 (talk) 00:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

the 80GB US has half software emulation and half hardware and the titles are on a Sony server somewhere for you to find out what works. The 60GB has full hardware of the Ps2, therefore everything works. The 40GB has no hardware of the PS2 and does not have any software emulation.--WhereAmI (talk) 04:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Failed GA nom, Jan 2008

Closer, closer, but too many problems to simply just put on hold. Let's have a blow by blow:

• Lead; hardly summarizes the entire article; the amount you have there is pretty good for the first paragraph, but let's have another with information of its development, marketing, SKUs, hardware, reception, et al. There's lot's that isn't talked about.
• Refs in general; will talk more about later, but fix ref #29!
• Citations: a general lack of refs where they are needed. Just one example, from history:

Also announced were two configurations of the console, a "60 GB" and "20 GB", for $599/€599 and $499/€499 respectively. The 60 GB would be the only configuration to feature a HDMI port, Wi-Fi internet, and a chrome trim with the logo in silver. It was announced for a global release date, November 11th for Japan and November 17th for North America and Europe. On September 6, 2006, Sony announced that the PAL region (Europe and Oceania) PlayStation 3 launch had been delayed until March 2007, due to a shortage of diodes used in the Blu-ray Disc drive.

Pretty much every sentence in those paragraphs can be contested and thus sourced.

• Software- merge or remove the one-sentence sections and paragraphs.
• Publicity and Reception- besides lacking some refs as stated above, has horrible POV issues. The most notable issue is the EGM quote with Tretton- "If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes, I'll give you 1,200 bucks for it." That could probably be contrasted with PA's $13,200 bounty demanded of Tretton, for example.[2] The first paragraph about the marketing slogan is horribly out of place. Overall, I would suggest complete reorganization, with positives/negatives, et al, not this random smattering of comments and facts in no sort of order.

--David Fuchs ^(talk) 18:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)