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Resident Identity Card#Identity cards in ethnic minority areas

Hello Rjanag. I was wondering: are you still in Xinjiang? If you still are, are you able to (if and when possible) have a look at a PRC ID Card for a local Xinjiang resident, and be able to note the Uyghur text that appears on it for entries like name, gender, etc? (it can be anyone, so it's best to find a Han or someone you know well, as Uyghurs might become a little weary if foreign tourists ask to look at your ID). I was after official Uyghur translations of each of the headings on the ID card, so that I could include it within my table in the JMSFZ article. I suppose you could use a photograph or a text note if you are familiar with the language. Cheers, -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 06:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm back in BJ now, but my friend I was visiting is still in Xinjiang, so I could probably get him to take a photo of someone's ID and then add the translations to the article. He has a lot of Uyghur friends there, so I don't t hink it'll be a problem. rʨanaɢ (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

(OT:) by the way, if you're at an internet cafe in China, be careful as some of them might have keyloggers, as I have heard from a few university IT students. Check Windows Task Manager if you can for unexplained programs running. (relevant to WP:SECURITY, but also applies to anything else you may use as well, such as email and banking) Using https://secure.wikimedia.org/ (in case there are listeners) and changing your passwords when you get back might also be important. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 09:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

let me know when that book comes in - very definitely Public Domain!

hey,

Be sure 'n let me know when that book comes in, OK? I'm anxious to avoid letting those two images be deleted. They are far and away the best images in the article (as evidenced by the fact that one of them sits atop the page), and are very definitely Public Domain, but dammit, we have to prove it! Tks! • Ling.Nut 03:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing! I requested it last week so it should be in soon (it's already taken longer than usual). If it's time-sensitive, though, you could also try leaving a note at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request‎; someone there might be able to get it even faster. rʨanaɢ (talk) 03:16, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

• Tks for getting that.
• I'm disappointed that the two photos are not in it... if you wanna do a huge public service, you could cross-check to see which of the images are in the digital records of the university of Tokyo (e.g., this one) or this blog (the photos are the same, I think) and move all of those to Commons as they are PD. That might take a couple days, so if you don't wanna do that, you could scan the whole book and email it to me. That might take an hour or more, so if you don't wanna do that, then, Belated Happy Moon festival! :-P I sincerely appreciate your help in obtaining that book. [You don't have to do anything at all if you don't want to. No worries.] • Ling.Nut 00:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• • Do you still have the book? • Ling.Nut 22:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
    • Yep, still got it. I'm planning on scanning all the pages with pictures on them and sending them to you, I just haven't gotten around to it yet :( . I'll try to have it done by the end of the weekend. 23:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing template

Hi. :) I think this is a good idea, but it's going to lead to some complications as is because articles tagged with that template are now sneakily listed at the copyright problems board via bot. :) The ones paraphrasing PD sources aren't copyright concerns, of course, so they really shouldn't be there. Plus, since I wouldn't be yanking the content, they'd come back over and over again. :/ Are you good enough with templates and cats and things to perhaps create a separate category other than Category:Articles with close paraphrasing for them to go into? Maybe Category:Articles with close paraphrasing of public domain sources? Is it even possible to have the category switch based on parameters? If that's not up your alley, I'll see if I can find somebody who can help. Certainly, I have no clue. :D --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Hm, that's a good point. I'm not too familiar with how this bot works either, but I'll leave a message with the bot operator to see if he can give more information. Presumably the bot recognizes some text within the template and uses that to decide what articles to list at WP:CP; once I know what bit of text that is, it should be a simple matter to make that text not show up if the |free= parameter is activated in the template. rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

This might solve the problem. (In plain English, what it says is "if free=yes, then put this article in the category Articles with close paraphrasing of public domain sources; otherwise, put it in the category Articles with close paraphrasing.) You can see what it looks like on Elsham Priory. (One issue is that the category page currently doesn't exist...for the main close paraphrasing categories, I don't know if those are created by bot or what...) rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, either. :D But I think that could work. I'll check with User:VernoWhitney. If I'm remembering correctly, it's his bot that lists them. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:47, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

It might be User:Schutz, who operates Zorglbot; that's the one that shows up the most in the page history for WP:CP. I'm not sure how active he is right now so I went ahead and sent him an e-mail. rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

It is my bot and as it's currently written it just lists every single new transclusion of the template. I should be able to set it up to simply ignore any taggings which include "|free=yes" in the parameter and that would keep it off of the copyvio lists entirely (and I'll try coding that right now so we can see if Elsham Priory gets listed or not here in a few hours). As far as the categories go, they seem to be created manually (although I have no idea why). VernoWhitney (talk) 21:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response! I'll keep my eyes open and see what happens. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so apparently my code worked, so as long as that param stays the same you can tweak the categories or whatever strikes your fancy and articles tagged that way still shouldn't be listed at the copyright board. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 01:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

About an account you blocked

Turns out an account you blocked, User:Ninthwhen has a ton of sockpuppetsДунгане (talk) 03:32, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• This message or a similar one left on several editors' talk pages (see forex User talk:Nlu); Дунгане advised to collect hard evidence and take it to WP:SPI if the problem continues • Ling.Nut 03:37, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me, but the User:Phoenix7777 account is making the the claim here that since you said User:ninthwhen was not one of his possible socks, that the other accounts where not socks either. I remember you only stated that Ninthwhen was a different person, and said nothing about the status of the other accounts. This guy is putting words into your mouth, can you make a comment on the case there?Дунгане (talk) 19:08, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Palindromes

Thanks for the palindromes! I waste so much worrisome energy on vandals that I forget about all the great editors out there. Praise Thor! PalindromeKitty (talk) 23:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ni hao

I have closed the AFD and soft redirected it. For future reference, to soft redirect an article to wiktionary, replace the text with this...

{{wi}} {{subst:longcomment}}

You originally did this...

{{wiktionary|ni hao}}

...which makes it look like a blank article. That may be why the IP reverted it. Not to worry, I didn't know this either until I looked it up before closing the AFD :) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 11:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer. I realized that too when I saw your edit...hopefully this time it remains redirected :) rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:14, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Bird is equal to and/or greater than the word

Do you not agree sir? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.23.211 (talk) 23:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but Wikipedia articles are not a place for making jokes. You may be very funny, but you can be funny somewhere else. rʨanaɢ (talk) 23:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Reversion

You do realize that Mediation requires my active consent and cooperation, don't you? Removing my side of the issue and wheelwarring are unlikely to secure either. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

That may be. But the one thing that will make rejection absolutely certain is if I decline it. You give me no incentive to accept the prospect of spending time with you. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Pmanderson

Your concerns about Pmanderson's behaviour seem to ring true in the various times I've seen him at ANI lately. Issues like that are not really well resolved at the edit warring board (though Courcelles's solution seems good to me), but I recognize that they are serious. I really am beginning to think Pmanderson needs a serious warning, followed by a lengthy block if he continues his behaviour. Unfortunately, I myself have had at least one naming dispute with Pmanderson and I'm a tad concerned my level of involvement, as low as it is, would still undermine any such warning. What I would like to see happen would be for an admin with no history of content disputes with him to issue a warning and then follow through as needed. Those are my thoughts at this point. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 02:45, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I didn't take it to ANI because at the time it was a content dispute, not something that needed admin intervention (although it seems admin intervention may now be the only way to stop him from edit warring--I thought consensus would end the issue, but he is still edit warring in spite of rather obvious consensus after the RfC at the talk page). Anyway, we'll see what happens after a move request is filed. rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Part of the problem with consensus, in my observation, is that someone can always claim "consensus" or "no consensus". And since Wikipedia is "not a vote", it can be hard to come up with objective proof that you have consensus on your side. Which sucks. Those are just my thoughts on the matter, you take or leave them. The move request may help by getting some more eyes on the matter, anyway, so let's hope for the best, eh? Heimstern Läufer (talk) 02:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they can claim consensus, but sometimes consensus is one direction is obvious, as it will be to anyone who reads the RfC (unfortunately, people usually don't take the time to do that). I made the mistake of WP:IARing with what I assumed was obvious consensus, but I guess now I'll just have to step back and jump through all the time-consuming hoops of move requests, further RfCs, etc. Unfortunately, everything seems to go in one of Pmanderson's ears and out the other, so I'm afraid even when there is another clear consensus he might not stop edit warring without formal injunctions; it certainly would not be the first time. I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope it doesn't come to that, but who knows. rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:58, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I didn't think I'd have to jump to ANI so soon, but this edit of his was far from appropriate (see the new section header at the bottom of the diff). It probably looks like forum-shopping, but I'd rather take the behavior issue there and leave the article talk page free for people to discuss the important issues. rʨanaɢ (talk) 03:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

*facepalm* Heimstern Läufer (talk) 03:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Request for mediation rejected

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Four boxes of liberty

See Template talk:Did you know#Four boxes of liberty. What is the duration to establish status quo? This would be useful on future AfD rescues that seem to have DYK potential. Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk) 22:52, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Should this be used as a test case on a discussion to clarify the 5x rule? I am in favor of simple and objective criteria. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:17, 2 October 2010 (UTC)