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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Ian Rose 10:04, 9 September 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Sourav Ganguly

Nominator(s): DebTheGangulian (talk) 07:13, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because this article covers the criteria for FA and a good article.The person is also one of the most influential personality in cricket history.I have also contributed significantly to it.DebTheGangulian (talk) 07:17, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest withdrawal This not yet FA-worthy material. There are several problems with the article, such as:

  • 3 [citation needed] tags.
  • Poor prose, MoS inconsistencies and grammatical mistakes:
  • "he currently hosts a Bengali show Dadagiri Unlimited"
  • "Ganguly's place in the team was assured after successful performances in series against Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Australia, winning the Man of the Match awards"
  • "academics came in-between his love for sports"
  • "The magic of Indian cricket: cricket and society in India": book titles should be italicised per WP:MOS.
  • Sachin Tendulkar is linked thrice in the lead and five more times in Records.
  • Lack of comprehensiveness and flow of information:
  • "Ganguly's father Chandidas Ganguly died at the age of 73": extremely abrupt 41-year jump in the prose.
  • Surely there's more about his childhood and family than the short section here? Also "Born into an affluent Brahmin family" is not repeated in the body (per WP:LEAD).
  • "delivering messages, were beneath his social status.[16] Ganguly purportedly refused to do such tasks as he considered it beneath his social status": why the repetition?

Tragically, this article seems to have been in pretty decent shape when it got GA status. It has deteriorated significantly since then.—indopug (talk) 15:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I've reverted a huge amount of content copied wholesale from other websites by the nominator,—indopug (talk) 02:45, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest closure – If we have the nominator inserting blatant plagiarism into the article, I don't see how this can possible continue. What other damage has been done to the article that we don't know about? Giants2008 (Talk) 00:06, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Ian Rose 10:04, 9 September 2013 (UTC) [2].[reply]

KFC

Nominator(s): Farrtj (talk) 14:46, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For good or for ill, KFC is a global icon and thus is a worthy and interesting topic for Wikipedia. I am nominating this for featured article because I believe I have addressed all complaints from previous nominations and that the article is now ready or very near to promotion to FA status. Farrtj (talk) 14:46, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I would suggest finding a picture of the most recent store design. I swapped out the KFC/Taco Bell pic for one showing the most modern store design, but if you can find a pic of a recent-build standalone KFC to complement it, that'd be nice. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:47, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have replaced the old style KFC in the UK section to a new style one.Farrtj (talk) 14:57, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Hamiltonstone.

  • "Whereas KFC management had previously allowed franchisees to serve any soft drink they wished, PepsiCo stated that it hoped it would be able to convince franchisees to stock Pepsi products". The sentence seeks to contrast two things, but they are actually the same: previous management had "allowed" franchisees to serve anything, while Pepsi said "it hoped it would be able to convince franchisees" to do something - implying that it remained a choice - they weren't changing the franchise contracts. So why "whereas"?
Edited to improve clarity.Farrtj (talk) 05:23, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Overseas operations often flourished while ignoring or even defying orders from Louisville headquarters: management attempted to force KFC Japan to switch from corn and cottonseed oil to cheaper palm or soybean, but local management refused to compromise the quality of their product with a lesser quality oil". I'm worried that a POV has been 'swallowed' by the source and then reproduced here. what evidence is there that the cheaper oil was lower quality? It was used in other countries without any problems? Perhaps "local management stated that they would not compromise the quality of their product with a lesser quality oil" at least attributes the argument to managers without elevating it to objective fact.
Changed.Farrtj (talk) 05:23, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "KFC also began a back to basics makeover of the brand image..." That phrase 'back to basics' is marketing magazine colloquialism that has no particular meaning. Edit it out and just describe the changes.
You're right. I've now removed the phrase.Farrtj (talk) 14:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In December 2012, the chain was struck in China when it was discovered ..." I don't understand this use of the word "struck".
Sorted.Farrtj (talk) 14:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest deleting the whole para that begins "In April 2013, KFC announced the roll out of boneless Original Recipe across all of its United States outlets". First, the article should not be a platform for every single product announcement from KFC. Second, the first reference to "Original Recipe" is to a burger - which one would hope was boneless! So it cannot be being rolled out for the first time at any rate. Third, the Sanburn quote is classic 'nothing text': is describes the innovation as "modest" and then says it "may not" (and therefore by implication "may") be the latest in a long line blah blah. It is of no consequence and shouldn't be included. Then we have this concept store - a single store in a chain that has nearly 10000. See WP:UNDUE. It doesn't matter whether it is a concept store, it is still largely reproduction of KFC marketing announcements in news outlets - and it is so good to know it has a patio! Just delete. hamiltonstone (talk) 03:01, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
removed.Farrtj (talk) 05:59, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have now addressed all of the above comments.Farrtj (talk) 14:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for addressing those. I will come by later and see how things are progressing.hamiltonstone (talk) 03:41, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments A quick glance suggests that this needs a good copyedit. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:29, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • two spellings of travel(l)er
Sorted.Farrtj (talk) 14:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • two capitalisations of Kentucky colonel
Sorted.Farrtj (talk) 14:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jamaica mentioned in the lead but not in the main text it is supposed to summarise.
Sorted.Farrtj (talk) 14:23, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why did KFC initially only open locations in England and not the rest of the UK?
I have no idea.Farrtj (talk) 14:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Louisville, Kentucky, United States, which specializes in fried chicken—Is there another Kentucky not in the US? Why does the town specialise in fried chicken?
Sorted.Farrtj (talk) 14:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • pressure-fried
Removed hyphen.Farrtj (talk) 14:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "bucket", which has become a signature of the chain—can't literally be a signature, needs a noun
Sorted.Farrtj (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • From the age of seven, his mother taught—she was very young!
Edited for clarity.Farrtj (talk) 14:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • product hailing from Kentucky—is hailing not informal in the US, and applied mostly to people?
Edited for clarity.Farrtj (talk) 14:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • who didn't know —informal
Copyedited.Farrtj (talk) 14:38, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • restaurants East of the Mississippi—why cap?
Sorted.Farrtj (talk) 14:38, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
More to come
No responses for six days, is this nom still live? If not, no point my continuing review Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:17, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I was waiting for you to complete your copyedit.Farrtj (talk) 14:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK, It will be a couple of days before I restart Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:43, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'd just like to say thanks for the comments so far. They've been really helpful, and I really appreciate you going through an article of this size! Farrtj (talk) 15:47, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • bulk of funding—in BE it would be "of the funding", is your version OK in AE?
sorted.Farrtj (talk) 15:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • re-branded with a distinctive red-and-white striped color pattern, cupola roofs and the company expanded—roofs can't expand, replace first comma by "and", add comma after roofs
Sorted.Farrtj (talk) 15:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The company also reneged on their contract with Sanders... their own operations there.—
  • until his qualms were met.—I think you address rather than meet a qualm
Sorted.Farrtj (talk) 15:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Zantigo stores were closed or converted to Taco Bell—in BE it would be Bells, is your version OK in AE?
Edited for clarity.Farrtj (talk) 15:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • His standards were high, commenting "perfection is just barely good enough",—standards can't comment
Sorted.Farrtj (talk) 15:39, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • takeover weak franchises,—the verb is two words
Sorted.Farrtj (talk) 15:39, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • while in the U.S. sales were struggling, where the chain was the weakest link in PepsiCo's restaurants division.—the adverbial clause should follow its subject, the US
I think I've addressed this one.Farrtj (talk) 15:39, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • through the growing El Pollo Loco restaurant chain, and also with the introduction of Burger King's BK Broiler, a grilled chicken burger, both of which were poaching sales from the company.—your two subjects for "both" are a restaurant chain and a burger, which don't sit comfortably together
I've changed this now.Farrtj (talk) 15:43, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • have been protesting KFC's treatment—in BE it would be "protesting against", is your version OK in AE?
Edited for clarity.Farrtj (talk) 16:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • take out, dine in, sit down, drive through—hyphenate all (not done consistently at present
  • research & development—Ampersand is informal (linked article has "and" too)
Sorted.Farrtj (talk) 16:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • China is one of the only countries—"one of" or "the only"? Doesn't make sense as written
Sorted.Farrtj (talk) 16:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "We're in the first inning of a nine-inning ball game in China".—in BE, it would be "innings" both times, is your version OK in AE?
Edited for clarity.Farrtj (talk) 16:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • three executives, that latter of whom—you need at least two different things to point to a "latter"
think I've sorted this one out.Farrtj (talk) 16:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Closing comment -- I'm afraid this nom seems to have stalled after remaining open a month and receiving no comments since mid-August. Pls wait the usual two weeks before nominating this or any other article at FAC. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Ian Rose 10:03, 8 September 2013 (UTC) [3].[reply]

GateKeeper (roller coaster)

Nominator(s): Astros4477 (Talk) 21:59, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because... I feel it meets all the criteria to be a Featured Article. It has received a copy edit from User:Baffle gab1978 and was GA reviewed by User:The Rambling Man. This article was originally a draft in my user space months before it was announced and I have been contributing to it ever since. The roller coaster is very new so there are many sources available for the ride and most have been added. For only being open about 3 months, the article has just as much information that any other roller coaster article has. This is also my second FAC, my first being Millennium Force in which I learned a lot about the process. Astros4477 (Talk) 21:59, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments—in full disclosure, I happen to have ridden this coaster back in June and enjoyed the experience. However, there are issues with the citations that need to be addressed.

  • There is no need to repeat wikilinks in the footnotes; The first time that a footnote cites the Sandusky Register is the only time that it needs to be linked. Ditto all other such links.
  • Some footnotes list items as the publisher when they should be the "work". Take footnote 6 for example. Crain's Detroit Business is the name of a publication published by Crain Communications. In footnote 2, Popular Science is also the name of a publication that is published by Bonnier Corporation. Please audit and correct these.
  • Just as publication locations are normally listed for newspapers that omit their location in the title, we normally would list the publication location for a TV station. Please add the missing locations, which allows others to help judge the reliability of the sources. (The location for a student newspaper would be the university, not the city where the campus is located.)
  • Double check newspaper titles; the current name of the paper in Toledo, Ohio, is just The Blade. The name was changed in 1960. (Yes, they use toledoblade.com as their website address, but the paper is still just The Blade.)
  • If the original links still work, you should add |deadurl=no to the citation templates so that we aren't sending people to the archived copies. (I would also advise that you continue to pre-emptively archive as many of the rest of the news articles as possible.)
  • Footnote 57: the all caps should be reduced to match the case of the rest of the article title/headline per MOS:ALLCAPS.
  • Footnote 59 has the work (Mad Money) and the publisher (CNBC) backwards.
  • Footnote 61 as the TV station listed as a work, when the work would be a TV program they produce. The station itself is a publisher.
  • Also, there is a vast inconsistency between listing TV stations as "WKYC", but "WWJ-TV". Either they all are listed with the "-TV", or other appropriate, suffix, or they aren't. Honestly, they should have the appropriate suffix applied.
  • New issue introduced: I wouldn't link the locations in the footnotes. Judicious linking in footnotes steers readers to two things: the source itself (or an online convenience copy) or a wikipedia article to allow them to judge the credibility of the source. Linking to the name of a publisher, newspaper or a TV station does this second function, but a link to the location of publication doesn't. It's still valuable information to include, just not to link. Imzadi 1979 → 02:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A few questions on reliability of sources:

  • Footnote 4: what makes PointBuzz a reliable source? This looks like a fansite/blog to me. The suitability of this source will impact many other footnotes.
    • This has come up in the past, most notably here and here. In both cases, the decision was made that they were acceptable.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 23:40, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • See the next point below for the crux of this issue; the second FAC didn't address the reliability issue, and the first FAC didn't quite answer the questions posed below. Imzadi 1979 → 23:56, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • In this article, PointBuzz doesn't really cite any content. Most of the PB footnotes are used to cite posters or pictures. Also, one of them is a Press Release. That is not written by PointBuzz, it is released by Cedar Fair/Cedar Point. PointBuzz is just the one that published it.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 01:55, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • Then in that case, you have a bigger problem. I had looked at the first footnote to them that was an article published on their site. The posters, etc should not list them as the publisher because they are not. They are a re-publisher in those cases, yet you're attributing them as if they were involved in creating the content. I don't advise that people list Google Books when using convenience links to books hosted on that website; in this case, these are convenience links to a website hosting content originally published by others. (And that re-publishing may or may not be a copyright violation.) If you are citing posters, cite the poster, not the website. For the others, you still have the issue of whether or not Point Buzz meets our requirements for sourcing at the FA level.

            As a side note, I'm not in favor of listing PR Newsire as a publisher, since they're republishing press releases, not initiating publication. Press releases are truly self-published sources, so unless there is a specific person or department of the organization to attribute authorship, author = publisher. Imzadi 1979 → 02:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Footnote 5: what makes this a reliable source? (Also note, if the source is retained, it shouldn't normally be re-listed in the "External links" section of the article.)
    • I guess I'll assume you didn't watch the video. The information that is cited in the video came directly from Rob Decker, the park's VP of Planning & Design.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 23:24, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have seen that video, but like the source above, it's about the reputation of the publisher. Do they have a history of accuracy in their publications? Are they known for providing editorial oversight of the items they publish? We're naturally quite skeptical of videos published on YouTube for a number of reasons as well. As for PointBuzz, it's not quite enough to state they're quoted in other media; an assertion like that comes with a [citation needed] tag for me. Imzadi 1979 → 23:56, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • I understand being skeptical of items published on YouTube but this is an interview with Rob Decker. The information is coming straight from him. If you have an issue with that particular video, we can remove it because he says the same thing in another video that is used in the article. As for PointBuzz, see above.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 02:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • This is the review of a candidate for Feature Article status; part of that is not just ensuring that articles use "reliable sources", as Wikipedia uses that term, but that they are using "high quality reliable sources". Inherent in that difference is evaluating the reputation of the publisher, not just the interview subject. You've used four videos on YouTube as sources, one of which produced by Cedar Point and three not. The reputation, quality and reliability of those other three creators are at issue. Imzadi 1979 → 02:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
            • I guess I don't understand why it matters who creates the videos. How can a video of something happening or a higher executive saying something not be reliable? It happened or it didn't. He said it or he didn't. I don't get why it matters who posted it. The information is there, it is coming from a reliable person. Here's a quote from User:Figureskatingfan, "I wonder if this might be an instance of comprehensiveness trumping reliability... However, this is a specialized and obscure topic, and there may not be the kind of sources you request available. IOW, they may be the most reliable sources out there. I've come to the conclusion that resorting to using industry webpages is necessary for some articles in order to maintain comprehensiveness, even in FAs--as long as the prose is high-quality." She made a very good point about comprehensiveness trumping reliability. I'm not trying to be a pain, I've just followed this article from day one. I wrote this article with all the sources available and I don't see the issue in the few YouTube or PointBuzz links that are used.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 03:07, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
            • See above for an idea about the Youtube interviews.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 03:47, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Footnote 17: the website is called Trademarkia, and it appears to be a wiki. Can we replace this with a better source for trademark data, perhaps something from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office?
  • Footnote 24: this appears to be to be photos from a roller coaster fan posted online, which doesn't support the information in the article about the arrival date.

Imzadi 1979 → 22:49, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have completely removed the sentence.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 23:43, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Imzadi1979:, I just want to make sure you haven't forgotten about this review.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 00:53, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I have much further to add here. We're going to have to agree to disagree on the reliability or suitability of videos and let the delegates make that final determination. FAs have to use "high quality reliable sources", but personally, I can't support some of the sources used here as meeting that standard, sorry. Imzadi 1979 → 04:07, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "with the keyhole towers being the centerpiece." This is one of those pesky with ... -ing sentence structures that are often found to be 1a issues. Since this is in the lead, I'd recommend a minor rewrite to fix this.
  • History: "The memo also said the new coaster will have a 'Front Gate Statement'". Since the construction of the roller coaster is no longer a future event as "will" implies, that should be "would" instead.
  • Same goes for "A section of the coaster will go over the front entrance...". Not sure that "would" works here, but I'm sure another alternative can be found.
  • Period after "Not even a Jumbo Jet soars like this!" is overpunctuation because of the exclamation point in the quote. That takes care of the end-of-sentence punctuation.
  • Not sure the year is needed in "The auction ended on May 6, 2013." Based on the previous sentence, it's obvious to the reader that the auction had to end in 2013. I feel the same way about the year of the media day in the next sentence.
  • Construction: "an United States Senator from Ohio". "an" → "a".
  • Layout: "the first element of the coaster which similar to the dive drops on The Swarm at Thorpe Park and X-Flight at Six Flags Great America." Needs "is" after "which".
  • I'm a little bothered that the non-free image of the track layout says the purpose of use is "To show what the GateKeeper roller coaster at Cedar Point will look like once it is completed for 2013" when it is no longer uncompleted. Since it has been completed, other pictures could be taken, which calls into question whether the image is replaceable according to the rationale.
  • Manufacturer: Space before the em dash needs removal.
  • Trains: Semi-colon before "a first for a roller coaster at Cedar Point" should be a regular old comma instead. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.-- Astros4477 (Talk) 19:10, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delegate comment -- This review has been open a month and had little activity for the past few weeks so I'll be archiving it shortly. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:21, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Ian Rose 10:03, 8 September 2013 (UTC) [4].[reply]

Ain't No Other Man

Nominator(s): HĐ (talk) 09:47, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because... I feel that it meets FA criteria. Plus, several users and I have done WP:COPYEDIT for it. I also added more information to the article, so I hope it will get the gold star this time. Thanks HĐ (talk) 09:47, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose

Laser brain's (talk) comments from the last time this was nominated (closed July 14) still apply: the prose is not close to being "engaging, even brilliant, and of a professional standard".

e.g., 1st para: "with Roane and Aguilera serviced as co-producers" (very unusual verb choice); "Following the release of Stripped [...] in her next record" (unclear if Stripped was the album before ANOM); "The song was inspired by Aguilera's marriage with Jordan Bratman in 2005" (is "the song" the same as "her next record"? Did the marriage begin and end in 2005?); "It was serviced as the lead single from the project" (odd verb again; which project?).

e.g., last para: are these really cover versions if they were just on TV?; "of the eight season British" ('eight-season' or 'eighth season of the'?); "chose the song to perform at the show" (the song performed?); "making three coaches [...] turn their chairs" (what did that indicate?).

I've addressed all. I'm still fixing it. Please wait for me until it's done. — HĐ (talk) 01:44, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are too many of these: copy editing (to a higher standard) and/or peer review are recommended. EddieHugh (talk) 11:24, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delegate comment -- I'm afraid this nom has stalled so I'll be archiving it shortly. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:16, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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