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Welcome to my talk page. I have been editing Wikipedia since 2007. If you want to know more about me, see my user page. My work, like a lot of others, has been complimented and criticized. And in March 2012, I was even blocked. See the block cases. And it's during that first block case that I learned a lot about WP:Assume good faith and who you can count on to be there for you; that experience has made me more acrimonious towards Wikipedia, and this feeling was intensified with my second block case (again, refer to the block cases link). Still, I believe that it's best that I help this site, seeing as many people come here for information (it's almost always ranking highest in search engines, and that type of thing is always going to bring in a lot of readers) and a lot of those people trust what they read here. So it's my job to make sure that any topic I am heavily editing is as accurate as possible.

Any questions, compliments or criticism of my work, feel free to leave me a message here on my talk page or email me. If you leave me a message here, I will usually reply here.

User: John

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Hello. FYI, see the recent discussion on my talk page here. Apparently the issues with "John" and his obstreperousness as a WP "deletionist" on the Brad Pitt article are not unique. ;) Centpacrr (talk) 20:30, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know. That's why I've mentioned him as being on a power trip and being power hungry. Flyer22 (talk) 20:38, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well done! And best of luck with that. Basket _Feudalist 14:51, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 2013

This is your only warning; if you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory content into an article or any other Wikipedia page again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. --John (talk) 09:47, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As thoroughly supported at the WP:BLP noticeboard, I did not violate the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy with this edit. So not only do you have no valid reason to block me because of such a violation, doing so, as has already been mentioned, would be a violation of WP:INVOLVED. Flyer22 (talk) 11:53, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm EatsShootsAndLeaves. I noticed that you made a comment on the page User talk:Flyer22 that didn't seem very civil, so it should be removed. Wikipedia needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFlyer22&diff=572932075&oldid=572931110 This was wholly inappropriate, and you already know that. ES &L 10:43, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

EatsShootsAndLeaves (also known as User:Bwilkins), as someone who does not like me (but watches my talk page just waiting for a moment that I will "act up," ever since my brother's actions resulted in my blocks), and has clearly expressed their dislike of me on this very talk page, you should not find it surprising that I take any warning you issue me to be dubious. Flyer22 (talk) 11:53, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I do watch this talkpage to help to ensure that you do not act up again - hence the gentle poke that you were going in the wrong direction, and giving you personally the chance to fix it. Unless you can show proof that I have ever stated that I dislike you, I would recommend you withdraw that statement as well. Your AGF seems to have gone right out the window in the last 24 hours - something that led to your troubles in the past ES &L 13:26, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Like I stated at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (WP:ANI), you consider my calling out John's antics (being on a power trip and power-hungry) to be a WP:Personal attack. I do not. Nor do I consider calling out the fact that you are not a neutral commentator on anything regarding me to be a personal attack.

You watching my talk page to ensure that I do not "act up" again is ludicrous because I am not a problematic editor (regardless of you associating me with my brother and his past or future mistakes editing at this site). After the way you treated me during my block cases, especially my second block case, there is no way that I can consider you a neutral editor regarding anything that concerns me. And given the post Herostratus left for you during that time, I'm certain that it's more than just me or a few people who agree on that. That is why I do not WP:Assume good faith with regard to your posting any warning to my talk page. I will always believe that you are only watching this talk page to wait until your chance to help oust me from Wikipedia, as you have very clearly expressed that you believe that I do not belong at this site. And my opinion on that is very unlikely to change. But I should thank you, because it's those who clearly want me gone that partly keep me motivated to stay when I know that I would be better off without this drama and other issues like it. Flyer22 (talk) 14:55, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's rather horrifying to see that you believe that an adult could and/or should retain some form of grudge against you - I'm literally aghast. You know full well that my comments/actions/inaction during that block were based solely on the evidence available to the community at large. You also know full well, that since your unblock, I have actually supported you on more than one occasion. Those facts, plus the polite and gentle notice above are clear and obvious signs that I harbour no ill will towards you and your edits. Indeed, my warning above was repeated by someone wholly unrelated on ANI. I'm also disgusted that you would suggest that I am lying about my intentions - absolutely inppropriate to suggest that, and just plain wrong - and the proof of my actions since your unblock speaks louder than anything else. I'll encourage you to simply "get over it" (forgiveness is more powerful than anything) and "get over yourself" (you're not worth having a grudge against anyway) and try to recognize better when people actually are trying to help you. ES &L 16:37, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not "should." As for "could," it is "horrifying" that it could happen. But it does happen, including on Wikipedia, and you know that it does. So your being "literally aghast" causes me to be literally aghast at your response on that. As for not believing you? I'm entitled to that, just like you are entitled not to believe people and often don't believe people on Wikipedia. I'm not sure why you expect me to believe that you no longer wish that I was not here at this site. But I don't, and I have valid reason not to believe that. You state that you have supported me since my unblock, but I know of no such case. And even if you have, that is supposed to qualify as an apology for your actions during the aforementioned time? You kept poking me, making me feel worse than I did, during a time that I was going through a hectic, emotionally draining period in my life off Wikipedia (a period that was also partially documented on Wikipedia during that first block case). That is not something one easily "gets over." Nor does one easily "get over" supposed friends who turn their backs on someone they should have better faith in. But even so, my wariness of you is not about not having gotten over your behavior toward me during that time. It's about not having forgotten it. It's about not feeling that you regret any of it. That you can't understand any of that and think this is an ego matter that requires me to "get over [my]self" speaks volumes. As for forgiveness, I don't need a lesson on that either; but I do know that, from personal experience, that saying is not always true. Flyer22 (talk) 17:11, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's peculiar to be "literally aghast" at the suggestion of a grudge against Flyer22, ES &L, and then say that she is "not worth having a grudge against anyway". I don't know the entire history of the animosity between you two but I think it is not unreasonable for Flyer22 to be suspicious. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 11:32, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't know the background, and you haven't taken the time to read what I stated, why on Earth would you comment? Even Flyer has blown the background out of proportion - I declined to unblock some months ago ... but to be told that I "dislike them" is ridiculous - how can a human being "dislike" someone they have only interacted with on the internet? ES &L 11:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bwilkins, I haven't blown a thing out of proportion on this matter. It is not that you declined my unblock request, and you know it. It is how you acted; anyone who reads it (that second block case debacle) can see that you were being antagonistic. After all, that is why Herostratus chose to target you to stop commenting on my talk page at that time. And being a Wikipedia editor, you know very well that people can dislike or hate someone on the Internet and that the notion is not ridiculous. Various editors, especially the IP messes we often get, have expressed that they dislike or hate you; for example, the editor You Can Act Like A Man, below in this section, also doesn't appear to like you. I've had enough editors, usually IP editors, state that they dislike me (though usually with different, and sometimes with more provocative, words than dislike); for example, IP 110.174.147.166 and his #Ignorant & Unhelpful, #Stupid Asian Bitch and #Idiotic Sad Case posts (like I told that IP, I'm not Asian nor stupid, but I can be a bitch). And there's also one of the two abusive emails I got during my second block case to keep in mind; the indefinitely blocked User:RJR3333, who was one of the two editors who sent me an abusive email, does not like me at all (at one point, even stated that he hates me and he wished me dead). It is not always a matter of simply stating something we don't mean. There have been Wikipedia editors I do not like. For example, it is obvious that John is fitting that category for me these days. There is nothing ridiculous about disliking someone online, especially when that person's personality shows through, any more than it is ridiculous to dislike someone in an in-person workplace. Like an Internet workplace, it's not like we usually know (instead of "know of") the people we work with in-person. Being in-person offers three-dimension, but it is not much different than my interacting with you on the Internet; not unless I were to actually spend time with you to get to know you. And you referring to me by male pronouns at the WP:ANI discussion regarding John, or as "them" above, instead of by the female pronouns I rightly deserve, is more of your disrespect. Alison can assure that there is no reason to doubt that I'm female, so you should cut out the silly pronoun angle that is akin to the pronoun game. And that I have somewhat bonded with Alison since she blocked me further shows that my distrust of you is not simply a matter of "Oh, Bwilkins didn't believe poor me." Flyer22 (talk) 12:45, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And Liz has read some of the backstory, which is why she stated she doesn't "know the entire history of the animosity between you two." Keywords there are "entire history." But to answer Liz, most of the history is there during that second block case. Flyer22 (talk) 13:08, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the entire history of the animosity between you two does not mean that I can't read the comments on this Talk Page and look at the conversation happening here. I don't know the entire history of any Editor on Wikipedia! I was merely noting that I didn't know about this blocking dispute and was just rendering a comment based on what I was reading on this Talk Page. As for "why on Earth" I would choose to comment, well, I've had interactions with Flyer22 in the past (both positive and not-so-positive), I saw the case on AN/I about the original dispute and I followed the conversation over here. And I comment when I have an opinion to offer. I think that should be easy to understand. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:16, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

*sigh - I can state here for the record that I have seen and spoken with Flyer22 on more than one occasion and would like to point out that Flyer22 appears to be 100% female to me. I did not do a karyotype nor did I check her genitalia (these things seem important to some) but she appears to me to be a 20-something woman, so let's try to keep up with our pronouns, mm-kay? If you're not sure you can just use the {{Gender}} template, which will return the correct pronoun - Alison ^❤ 00:55, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that Alison, especially the much-needed humor. As for my age, well, I have noted on my user page that I look significantly younger than I am. Flyer22 (talk) 02:15, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Noting here (especially for the archive) actual personal attacks, brought to us by the lovely John, with responses from me: [1] [2][3][4]. Oh, and assuming good faith is not something that has ever led me to any serious trouble in the past. A lot of, if not most, Wikipedia editors have had a problem assuming good faith at Wikipedia at one point or another. I'm an extremely good judge of character, am right about 98% of the time (as many Wikipedia editors here can attest to, especially when it concerns problematic editors and/or predicting their editing behavior). And I was/am absolutely right about John. Flyer22 (talk) 06:26, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also sure that I've never called anyone a dumbass on Wikipedia before, and I can't remember a specific case where I have off Wikipedia. But the other editor gave a most excellent response. Flyer22 (talk) 07:59, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deal with BWilkins too! Cheers! Basket _Feudalist 14:53, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

slow down

You're going to want to slow down and let the ANI thread develop (weekends are slow on WP). You've got a clear consensus at BLP/N. Don't let the discussion be sidetracked by something you post in haste.
Also, if you find an editor's GF effort to help not helpful to you it's generally acceptable to post a polite request they cease posting on your talk page. NE Ent 13:39, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, NE Ent. Yes, I've noticed how slow Wikipedia is on the weekends; I usually like that because it increases the chances that I won't have to deal with any drama here. Today is obviously an exception. And I'm also aware of the talk page aspect you note, except that I usually have not been polite about that matter; it has only been a few times that I have restricted or tried to restrict someone from posting to my talk page and it has usually been in the heat of the moment, due to frustration and/or animosity. Flyer22 (talk) 14:55, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We say a lot of things in the heat of the moment. I can dig out edits on WP that I have personally looked at and said to my monitor, "yeah, and **** you too". The absolutely essential thing you have got to do is never ever transfer that thought onto a keyboard. All it takes is for one person to see you calling John "stubborn" and "disruptive" ([5]), and people will think "well, it's tit for tat, they're as bad as each other, no action required". I don't think that's your desired outcome from this, is it? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:59, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What I stated here and here about John summarizes my feelings on that. If people want to put me in the same category as John, despite the fact that I was adhering to the WP:Consensus policy while he was violating it, then so be it. Everyone has an opinion, and always will. Having reverted him twice, and referred to him as stubborn and disruptive, among other things, on Wikipedia, is not something that I believe I will regret; in fact, I know that I won't. The way he has communicated, acted, during this is... Sighs. Even speaking of him now frustrates me. This, this (side addition here), this, this, this and this post by others perfectly and/or sufficiently describe my feelings and/or John's disruption. None of the posts there are about "how disruptive Flyer has been during this," except for the one post that was clarified as an error. But again, if people want to categorize me as disruptive during this dispute, then so be it. I admit, however, that I should not let John (or anyone else) bring out the worst of me (which includes hurling any insults); that, however, happens from time to time with humans (even in a working environment), often spontaneously when it does happen. All in all, I appreciate your calm, understanding, neutral approach with respect to both sides. Flyer22 (talk) 16:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Someone protests way way too much (modern meaning); but please let it go

All over AN/I I see editors being blocked for ignoring community consensus. But, all of a sudden, when an administrator is against community consensus, edit wars against community consensus, and calls another editor a "dumbass," it's the editor who raises the issue, the "dumbass," who is at fault, and WP:Consensus and WP:Administrators no longer have meaning. It's like a mobile phone company, only one party is held to the contract. Very disappointing.

I don't think John would have blocked you; there is no evidence he has done that before (someone would have provided a diff if he had). I disagree with you about People, it should not be used as a source on Wikipedia. I will discuss that on the BLP sources board.

Try to let this one go. User:John has promised to continue disrupting editing by ignoring community consensus. Other editors will get tired of his disruption and name calling. People will then cite this AN/I report as evidence that he continues to be disruptive.

Please continue bringing differences of consensus to community boards where the issues can be discussed by the community. --(AfadsBad (talk) 04:17, 18 September 2013 (UTC))[reply]

Thank you for your views on all of this, AfadsBad. Yes, I see you debating with the others at the WP:BLP noticeboard. I'm done there on the matter, though, for now anyway because the consensus is the same and there's not much more I can add to that discussion. As for John, I'm still discussing that matter at WP:ANI because others are still discussing the matter with me. If I come across John removing sources and/or the text that goes with it because of his personal dislike of those sources instead of whether or not they have actually been deemed unsuitable by Wikipedia policy and/or the Wikipedia community, I will revert him. I have a few celebrity articles of living people on my watchlist and I won't sit back and let him pull that mess at those articles, and I have good backup at those articles as well. It is especially important not to let him do so on WP:Good and WP:Featured articles. Flyer22 (talk) 04:31, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On a side note, I corrected your link to the People (magazine) article above in your post. Flyer22 (talk) 04:35, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think you would be better off dropping it. I keep forgetting about the People (magazine). Thanks. One revert, then talk page, then report, okay? Take care. --(AfadsBad (talk) 04:39, 18 September 2013 (UTC))[reply]

You take care as well. Flyer22 (talk) 05:01, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Despite what I recently said on ANI, I really don't deliberately go around and upset people - honest! It's just that threads tend to generate lots of hot air and drama, and sometimes improving an article can take your mind off it and clear your head a bit. How about, say, taking Romantic orientation to GA, or even B class? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you meant badly, but Flyer22 tried to deal with the issue as a member of an editing comunity, got called a dumbass by one admin, and now has two other admins really going after her, so it might seem a bit unfair to suggest any of the admins dropped the stick, when it looks like Flyer22 is the dead horse. However, I think you meant well, and I think taking an article to GA would be more fun than continuing to be beat, and I hope Flyer22 will take your suggestion, and I thank you for making it, trying to do something positive. --(AfadsBad (talk) 10:54, 18 September 2013 (UTC))[reply]

I can't emphasise this enough - Flyer22 is a good, nay, excellent contributor to the encyclopedia. Somewhere on this talk page I gave her a barnstar for some of the GA work she'd done, and I stand totally by that. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:07, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, that's why it bothers me the way she is treated, and I assumed that is the motive for your efforts here, that you see her value to the encyclopedia.. --(AfadsBad (talk) 11:19, 18 September 2013 (UTC))[reply]

Ritchie333, this reply to you was not meant as a jab at you. Well, maybe a bit, LOL. As you know, I was/am simply frustrated with this matter. If anything, I'd rather you close that thread now than for me to be further subjected to RegentsPark's odd logic. And I'm intentionally not linking his name in this paragraph, because, whether he is now watching my talk page (by means of a WP:Watchlist or manually), I don't want him alerted via WP:Echo that I or anyone else has mentioned him here, as if I welcome him to defend John on this talk page; I most certainly don't.

As for working on articles, the Romantic orientation article is a waste of space; it shouldn't exist for a number of reasons (such as the fact that sexual orientation is also about romantic feelings), and you can see similar comments from me about the existence of that article in its edit history. My brother saw these changes to that article and stated that he almost reverted it and/or almost edited it as an IP (our real IP address of course, given past problems with him using a WP:Proxy), that what a terrible copyediting job it was, that it added WP:Original research, and that he still plans to speak with the editor who did that copyediting job. I don't blame him, though it is significantly best that he stay away from my editing area. Alison may have to remind him of that, but she keeps an eye on things regarding us. I won't be touching that Romantic orientation article any further, and have already set my sights on bringing the Vagina article to WP:GA standards (which is also noted in the GA section on my user page). With that article included, there are two other articles that I want to bring to WP:GA status, at least before I retire from this site (if I do).

AfadsBad, thank you for the support, kind words and compliments. It was NeilN that John called a dumbass, by the way. I don't doubt that, offscreen or off-Wikipedia, he's called me one, among other things, however; but I'm certainly not focusing on any thoughts he may have with regard to me. Flyer22 (talk) 12:45, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, after our discussion at BLPN AfadsBad might agree with John's assessment :-) :-) --NeilN ^{talk to me} 12:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

lol. I disagree with you, and you are annoying me, but I do not consider you a dumbass. Your arguments, maybe, but not you! Now get over there and define what can be used from People.

These diffs are mind-numbing trying to read them to follow a conversation, Flyer22. Vagina should be an FA! Great GA choice, article is awful. --(AfadsBad (talk) 13:03, 18 September 2013 (UTC))[reply]

It doesn't matter what article you choose take to GA, as long as it's nothing as mind numbingly dull and pointless as Texas Recreational Road 8, it's all good for the encyclopedia. Vagina isn't really in my area of expertise or interest (to put it as mildly as possible :-/), but still a worthy subject to improve, I would have thought. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:55, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The road articles are mind numbing, but they are very useful, and I appreciate editors who do gois work on articles that would knock me out. I travel for work and like to check out Wikipedia road articles before I go, very useful. --(AfadsBad (talk) 14:16, 18 September 2013 (UTC))[reply]

So John has obviously followed me to the Sexual orientation article after my interaction with this IP. He's either watching this talk page (note that I'm not watching his) or is checking in on my contributions. Well, if he starts WP:HOUNDING/WP:STALKING (which I do not put past him, given some of the inappropriate behavior/comments I've seen from him), I will be reporting. Usually, one stays clear of someone they clearly do not get along with. That he has sought possible further interaction with me (it's seeking because he knows that I watch/occasionally edit that article) is nothing short of suspicious. Flyer22 (talk) 12:24, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More on John's behavior

Note: I've started this section; it is simply documentation here on my talk page of John's continued less-than-desired behavior.

Those at WP:ANI or elsewhere asserting that John would not have blocked me were wrong. This is an instance where I feel the need to state "Told you so." Not too long after my unpleasant interactions with John, he blocked someone that he was in a dispute with; that person was unblocked because of the rationale that John was WP:INVOLVED. Like me, that editor made an observation that John is on a power trip. Clearly, the Daily Mail is not a good source to use, especially for biographies of living persons, but there are still some experienced Wikipedia editors who are iffy on its use and therefore John blocking that editor for his or her repeated reversions of him on that matter was inappropriate. If repeatedly reverting the editor is generally considered prevention of a WP:BLP violation, then I wouldn't classify that as WP:INVOLVED; I wouldn't because reversions of WP:BLP violations are, for example, exempt from WP:3RR. A different administrator took the matter to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard (WP:AN) not only because of the block, but because John has continued to remove sources and the text the sources support...even though others may not categorize such sources as tabloids. From what I see, however, John has mostly continued to remove the Daily Mail. The Wikipedia article on it calls it a tabloid newspaper, but the word tabloid is WP:Pipelinked with the Tabloid (newspaper format) article; that article makes it clear that "tabloid format" does not necessarily mean "tabloid" and that many valid newspapers use that format. Either way, the administrator who took the matter to WP:AN removed the report from WP:AN and has been discussing the matter on John's talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 06:41, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is also this, this and this showing John refusing to drop the silly stick and to stop disrupting Wikipedia at just about every turn. The last diff-link documents the worst case of it (showing the absolutely ridiculous lengths he will go to in order to try and get his way and that he does not respect community consensus one bit when that consensus opposes his views). Flyer22 (talk) 21:58, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations!

The Bronze STiki Barnstar of Merit

Congratulations, Flyer22! You're receiving this barnstar of merit because you recently crossed the 5,000 classification threshold using STiki.

We thank you both for your contributions to Wikipedia at-large and your use of the tool.

We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (developer) and -- ^t numbermaniac^c 05:08, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jetsunma Ahkon Lhamo vandalism repair, thank you so much.

Just wanted to say thanks for your help in removing the ongoing vandalism of this page. It's turning into daily upkeep with a vandal adding irrelevant references to The Exorcist and demons. Sigh. Longchenpa (talk) 07:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I saw your comment earlier, but am just now replying because I was too sleepy to reply earlier (though not too sleepy to make a revert or two). You are welcome. And since you are having the type of trouble you are having at that article, I might put it on my WP:Watchlist. Keep in mind that you can also request that the article be protected at WP:Requests for page protection. Flyer22 (talk) 14:01, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chuck Cotter facts

I hope this doesn't disappoint you too much, but the items on User:Flyer22#Favorite reads on Wikipedia aren't original. They're part of the large collection of Chuck Norris facts, merely re-attributed. --GRuban (talk) 19:24, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

LOL!! No, not disappointed. I added that some time back. Like the top of my user page currently states, "Parts of my user page were created in 2007/2008, and I'm either too lazy to drastically redesign that text or have become attached to that text in a way." Flyer22 (talk) 19:36, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the subject, talk

I am sorry for talking to you bad, but that idea still angers me. Anyway, the real reason I came to this page again, is the gender card.

Yes that's right, gender card. I don't know you were a female or male, I just want to get the record straight. I honestly don't call anyone uses he or she, and I use you and variations of online. I also didn't honestly think of what your gender was male or female, and didn't take that into account insisting you were sexist. Part of the gender neutral movement of English, I just want to make clear that while you are female, and I am, I will continue to use third person when referring to you. I never, in my history of wikiepdia, referred to using he or her. I have been on Wikipedia since 2008, but all this time I never created an account. During this time, I used a verity of ATMC IP addresses, as they are dynamic. As they change when we have a power outage, which happens occasionally, I don't have a lot of history on me. --209.188.62.150 (talk) 04:25, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pedro Passos Coelho

OK, he's the worst asshole in Europe, at least, but I've finished. --Nmgscp74 (talk) 4:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, as you know, a different editor reverted you on this. And this type of editing, which I reverted you on, is also inappropriate...very inappropriate; continue to WP:Vandalize, and you will be blocked...temporarily or indefinitely. Flyer22 (talk) 04:53, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Good faith" reversion via STiki

I recently edited the Komi Grammar page and found that you reverted my edit as a "good faith" reversion. In reading the STiki page, I notice that Good-faith Reverts are for edits which are "clearly unconstructive, but lack the intent and malice that characterizes vandalism." My edit was not clearly unconstructive, and as such I have since undone your reversion and provided a citation for my original edit. Please do not hesitate to ask for citations!

I also cannot help but notice that your reversion count using STiki has gone from 1,000 STiki reversions on 05:41, 10 September 2013 to 5,000 reversions on 05:08, 19 September 2013. I am aware I do not have a user account, but that does not mean my contributions are as such "clearly unconstructive." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.165.84 (talk)

Hello, IP. Your edit (before you reverted while adding a source) initially looked unconstructive to me. And, yes, I know about the revert via WP:Echo. Notice that I did not revert you again. I don't see what my STiki count has to do with this, unless you are implying that I must be wrongly reverting a lot of people; I'm not, considering that I usually double check my edits (whether adding additions or reverting). I apologize for making a mistake in your case. Flyer22 (talk) 05:38, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mailed you some pretty private matters

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(do not tell anyone what its contents is) --Lesbiangirl123 (talk) 11:14, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I likely won't be reading it. Seriously, as it will likely lead to some debate and your logic is sufficiently odd to me. And per Wikipedia:POSTEMAIL#Private correspondence, I certainly would not reveal the contents of it at Wikipedia anyway. Flyer22 (talk) 11:29, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It really does not contain anything bad, and no criticism. It contains... nothing related to sexual I was discussing. It is related to my life, problems with it, and what I do. You have to really read it to get your understanding, and I really want you to read it. it's to sensitive to talk about, and it is kind of long, but it's just for you. I cannot say what it is publicly, as I don't want nobody but you to read it. --Lesbiangirl123 (talk) 11:49, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I will read it, and may get back to you on that. Are you sure that it was a good idea to post the personal things you did on your user page? In addition to the good or decent people we have at this site, we have some really mean-spirited people here as well (as is likely the case for any site). As someone who knows what it is like to be depressed, even severely depressed, I somewhat understand how you feel; though I'm not sure that it ever got to the point of major depressive disorder, it did get to the point where I tried to harm myself after "a trigger" here at Wikipedia (which is well documented during the first time I was blocked from editing Wikipedia). That wasn't the first time I've tried to physically harm myself, however. I apologize if I contributed to your feeling bad in any way. Depression is a tricky thing because almost anything can trigger it (bad things, or perceived bad things, especially of course), even when you think you have a good grasp on it (your mental state). A person or incident can trigger the return of the depression even when that was not the intention. I obviously had no intention of making you feel worse. And again, I apologize if I did. There's not much I can do about how Wikipedia is supposed to work; I follow the Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines as best I can (which is usually a good or great "best"). Flyer22 (talk) 16:47, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(stalking) I'll give you my (totally unsolicited) advice. Change your username (see WP:RENAME for how to do it) to something more neutral that doesn't suggest at your sexuality in any way shape or form whatsoever. PinkAmpersand's in a similar position to you (afaik) and he does alright. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:31, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Newbie

Happy to. Hopefully you can keep an eye on him elsewhere and we can nudge him toward learning Wikipedia policies and guidelines. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:19, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll help you with that editor at the Mariah Carey article. As for keeping an eye on him or her elsewhere, I'm not sure about that; the editor is not a very active editor and I'm certain that he or she is the type who does not care/will never care about Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines. However, if I see you explaining such policies and guidelines to the editor, like you recently did, I will assist. Flyer22 (talk) 15:29, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hegel problem

Flyer22: You removed my note of warning posted on a pernicious "thesis-antithesis-synthesis" page[6] posted in support of over 3,000 words (by my count) of pollution dumped onto the G.W.F. Hegel page[7] by I-don't-know-whom. How would you suggest I flag this content as highly speculative and deriving from a single author (who was an economist, not a philosopher, I have discovered)? Those hoping to learn something about Hegel should not be exposed to this controversial speculation as if it were true and widely-accepted, when, in fact, it has been refuted. Thanks. JBurke01 (talk) 02:33, 25 September 2013‎

Yes, I reverted you on this for the reasons stated in that WP:Edit summary. You can flag that material by adding a Template:Dubious to it. For further information on tackling the accuracy/inaccuracy of content, see Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute#Disputed statement. Flyer22 (talk) 02:54, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

deleted info

I deleted the page at the request of the person it was about. Zzebra138 (talk) 02:34, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You deleted my changes to Brian McCann (baseball)

Dear Flyer22,

Why don't you like fun?

63.139.2.226 (talk) 13:45, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Casus Belli Edit

Thank you for your insight. That sentence was not constructive as I forgot to include a very important part. It should have read " The expression is often uttered whilst observing failing Pakistani restaurants through binoculars from the 5th floor of an Upper West Side apartment. I will change it immediately and then there will be no need for you to edit again.

THANKS!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stanthecaddy (talk • contribs) 16:23, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sarcasm will get you nowhere. Your edit looks like vandalism to me, either version, unless you mean the word falling instead of failing. But I wounder in what way falling would make sense unless the restaurants are being knocked down. Therefore, your addition, if you readd it, will be reverted again, either by me or someone else. Flyer22 (talk) 16:34, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppet of محبةالكتب

Hello, I saw your notes in the edit summaries for the Blond article. I also thought it was likely that the IP 41.96.x.x is a sock of محبةالكتب. The edits are of a similar nature but not exactly the same so I'm not really sure. The intent seems to be the same but usually the socks I run across just keep making the exact same edits instead of trying to change it up. Editor Samer154 is also making edits from a similar position (a kind of anti-Western thing, maybe?) but again there's some room for doubt. But given the grammatical issues and the general tone of the edits they do seem to be quacking rather loudly. SQGibbon (talk) 13:42, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to state I completely agree with you, including that there is room for doubt, and that it's because of this that I am only 99.9% sure that they are all the same person. But even if we were to state that IP 41.96 is not User:محبةالكتب, one thing is for certain: IP 41.96 IP is Samer154; compare the 41.96.66.186 and Samer154 contributions. Samer154 also changed it up here and here after I reverted him or her as an IP here and here. And all of them, User:محبةالكتب, the 41.96 IPs and Samer154, write in the same broken English way, with the same inappropriate capitalization; compare here and here. Also compare use of the word dear here and here. WP:DUCK. User:محبةالكتب has been WP:Socking as Samer154 for some time. User:محبةالكتب registered as an account in May 2012; Samer154 as an account in May 2013. I'm actually 100% certain that these are all the same person. User:محبةالكتب simply isn't so dumb as to keep making the same exact edits that got him or her indefinitely blocked, but is still prone to be caught on socking matters (like now). Flyer22 (talk) 14:47, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, looking more closely I'm with you that it's 100% certain they are all the same person. The weird use of "Dear" was the final straw. SQGibbon (talk) 15:25, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

School Project on Verizon FiOS

Hi. I am currently working on a school project, and I was wondering if you could provide my group with some assistance. I noticed you gave some assistance to some of my colleagues who are working on the Wikipedia page on Marissa Cooper. Our group is working on the Verizon FiOS page, and we are looking for some advice. Would you be able to take a look at our talk page and comment on something that we should improve upon? Are our suggestions good for the topic or is there anything else we should add/remove? If possible, can you comment on the talk page for Verizon FiOS? We appreciate your help! Andrew.prafder (talk) 22:37, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew.prafder, there isn't much I can offer with regard to your request. One thing I can offer is to state that the second paragraph in my aforementioned post at the Marissa Cooper talk page obviously applies to all Wikipedia articles. I'll post that same paragraph at the Verizon FiOS talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 01:11, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Marina Oswald Porter

Hello. Yesterday I read the article on Marina Oswald Porter. I noticed that it stated that the "backyard photos" taken by Marina of Lee Harvey Oswald were manipulated. This is a viewpoint held by fringe conspiracy theorists that has been thoroughly disproven. Every reputable expert who has examined those photos has verified them as being genuine, including those consulted by the Warren Commision and the HSCA. The article also stated that Marina told the Warren Commision that she had taken a "single" photo with the word "single" emphasized for some reason. In fact, she initially told the WC that she only remembered taking one photo, then later said she may have taken two. She later said she probably did take all four. She told the FBI after the assassination that she had taken all four. Again, only fringe conspiracy theorists claim that Marina only took one photo. The source given for this information is Robert Groden, a discredited conspiracy theorist who was torn to shreds when he testified for the defense in the OJ Simpson trial when he testified that photos of Simpson were manipulated. There was no disclaimer regarding the comments informing the reader that the claims of photo manipulation by conspiracy theorists have been disproven by experts, the comments are simply presented as undisputed fact. I removed the spurious statements and you reverted my changes claiming it to be vandalism. If you are going to present the claims of fringe conspiracy theorists as fact, why not change your 9/11 article to state unequivocally that Bush was behind it? Why not change Barack Obama's birthplace to Kenya, or for that matter remove Elvis' date of death since some believe he is still alive?

Please get rid of the conspiracy related nonsense. Or, if you are going to present it, at least indicate that the info is strictly the view of conspiracy theorists and is not supported by the mainstream. This is about the fourth JFK assassination related article I have tried to clean up after conspiracy theorists have edited it to present their outlandish allegations as fact. 122.150.255.112 (talk) 00:09, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, IP. I wasn't presenting anything as fact. I reverted you because you removed sourced material and changed the wording without providing a reason for having done so. If you are editing the article properly, I don't mind. Flyer22 (talk) 01:11, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Refactored edit

Hi Flyer22. I was notified of your use of my quote, and I appreciate that you found it useful. I did notice that the diff you used is not to the original location, so I took the liberty of substituting the original diff. Please look at my edit and the edit summary. I hope you don't mind. I don't usually edit other people's comments, but I felt this would improve the content in a manner which you would find to be okay. If not, please accept my apology and just revert my edit. -- Brangifer (talk) 02:07, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, per this and this. Flyer22 (talk) 02:14, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalism page change

Hi flyer. I was undoing someone's "rm test edit" by re-bolding one of the headers. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bojo1498 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bojo1498, your edit was incorrect. MilesMoney knew what he was doing; this is because headers, at least the standard headers that are used (such as the one MilesMoney was targeting), don't need bolding. That's why I reverted you, before noting in that article's edit history and at your talk page that you must have made a mistake.

Also, remember to sign your user name when commenting on talk pages. As you can see above, a bot signed it for you. Flyer22 (talk) 21:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the miscommunication... I didn't realize exactly what he did. Thanks!--Bojo1498 (talk) 22:08, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Changes to My Brest Friend's Girl

On the page for My Best Friend's Girl (2008 film), I recently changed the name "Brad Garret" to its proper spelling, Brad Garrett. You changed it back because it was "not constructive". Why is it not constructive to change the name to its proper spelling? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.221.159.135 (talk) 05:25, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, IP. I saw your message earlier, but I didn't reply at that time because I was sleepy and rested for a few hours (though intermittently reverting), and later because I became busy with some edits. But here is the revert in question, from a number of days ago. You are obviously correct that your edit was not unconstructive. The only reasons I can think that I reverted you and gave you that warning are either because I accidentally hit the revert option or because your edit seemed wrong to me because it looked like you were adding an extra t as a test or as an action of vandalism. Considering that I hardly ever hit the revert button by accident, I'm certain that the latter is why I reverted you. Because you placed the t outside of the bracket, which is not correct formatting, that also factors into the revert (having signaled "test or vandalism" to me). I apologize for my mistake on that, have fixed the matter (the text) and will note this on your talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 10:24, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help with The Wachowskis' issues in The Matrix article.

Thank you for informing Cecildeed for us about edit warring on The Matrix article. Good job noting that he/she is engaging in edit warring. Some people are either meat/sockpuppets, clueless, in denial that trans were once male, or they want to feel important about knowing that Larry is Lana now - forget the fact that The Matrix WAS directed by Larry Wachowski. Active contributors on that article constantly battle this for ages, and it's nice to see some fresh help. I sincerely thank you. Anthonydraco (talk) 15:39, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome. As you have seen, during that same comment I also warned the editor about deceptive edit summaries. It appears that after I reverted one of those deceptive edit summaries, Grayfell, who I think watches the Clitoris article with me, caught on to the editor's deceptive edit summaries and tackled two of his or her edits thus far. One is mentioned in my aforementioned message to Cecildeed; the other is seen here. Four things, among various things, I cannot stand about this site (all four things seeming to apply to Cecildeed) are those who use deceptive edit summaries, those who edit based solely on their opinion and/or advocacy (disrespecting WP:Verifiability, WP:Neutrality and the WP:Due weight aspect of WP:Neutrality), those who intentionally disrespect WP:Consensus without a valid WP:Ignore all rules reason to do so...and those who fail to reliably source their article content (especially if that content is contentious). I will only tolerate (and not for long) newbies placing the WP:Burden on me and/or other Wikipedia editors; editors who have been editing this site for some time should know better than to do that. I don't know if Cecildeed is disrespecting WP:Consensus on The Wachowskis matter, but he or she obviously needs to stop doing that if he or she is. WP:Consensus is one of our least respected policies, probably less respected than WP:Civil, and that needs to stop. What is the point of building consensus, if people can just disregard it at any given moment? People are back at Square 1 when that happens. Consensus can change, but unless it has changed...it had better be respected unless there is valid cause to ignore it. Flyer22 (talk) 16:21, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Politics of...Hair Color?

I do not know why but there seems to be a certain vandalism or subtextual POV pushing in articles about hair color. I noticed you addressed Blond (though there is still some odd information on that piece) but 41.96.66.186 did some unconstructive edits to Black hair a week ago...can you use your rollback powers to bring it back to the last good version?
I really don't understand why hair color is seen as some kind of point of pride or an anatomical aspect that reflects on ones ethnic or national pride. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:12, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, Geolocate says that IPs 41.96.0.0 - 41.96.255.255 are from this city in Algeria. Not sure if this explains anything, more of a curiosity. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:19, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, there is an odd focus and especially bias that some editors have concerning the hair color articles. See the current discussions at Talk:Brown hair as well. WP:Rollback can't be used to revert an editor once a different editor has edited the article after that one; what I mean by this is that since Samer154 edited the Black hair article after he or she edited on the aforementioned IP range, this caused an intermediate edit (a block) to me reverting using the rollback tool. So what I had to do to revert in this case was click on the version of the article that exists immediately before those edits, which is this one, then click the edit option for that version and save that version. Some long-term Wikipedia editors still don't know about reverting that way. Here is the revert. However, that IP range/Samer154 is likely to revert my edit and/or add more of the same material. Therefore, he or she will likely need to be reported as a sockpuppet, per the #Sockpuppet of محبةالكتب discussion above. Flyer22 (talk) 23:08, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Help with Marissa Cooper - The OC: Class Project

Hi Flyer22. Thanks so much for continuing to edit the Wikipedia page we are working on for Marissa Cooper. I'm here to ask you a question regarding citations and references. When following the guidelines, my additions appear in red text. I believe that you corrected the issue we encountered in the "Character's Exit" section. Now, we are facing this issue under references. Do you have any suggestions for us? Thank you for helping us - we really appreciate the time and effort you're putting into this page. JLieberman31 (talk) 18:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I see. I was in the process of replying on the talk page. Look there for more replies from me. And it was actually me who messed up the reference your team added to the Character's exit section; I then tweaked it. Flyer22 (talk) 18:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Going back to reference formatting, yes this attempt was a little wrong, but was mostly correct; it simply had stray parts of reference templates included. You are correct that I fixed that, though it took me a few edits to fix all of the reference formatting in that section because I hadn't initially noticed completely what was wrong the first time I attempted the fix.[8][9][10][11] And here is the tweak I was referring to. Flyer22 (talk) 19:08, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Line 235: / Line 235: @@
 Hi [[Flyer22|Flyer22]]. Thanks so much for continuing to edit the Wikipedia page we are working on for Marissa Cooper. I'm here to ask you a question regarding citations and references. When following the guidelines, my additions appear in red text. I believe that you corrected the issue we encountered in the "Character's Exit" section. Now, we are facing this issue under references. Do you have any suggestions for us? Thank you for helping us - we really appreciate the time and effort you're putting into this page. [[User:JLieberman31|JLieberman31]] ([[User talk:JLieberman31|talk]]) 18:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 :Yes, I see. I was in the process of replying on the talk page. Look there for more replies from me. And it was actually me who messed up the reference your team added to the Character's exit section; I then tweaked it. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
-::Going back to reference formatting, yes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marissa_Cooper&diff=575320681&oldid=574118304 this attempt] was a little wrong, but was mostly correctly; it simply had stray parts of reference templates included. You are correct that I fixed that, though it took me a few edits to fix all of the reference formatting in that section because I hadn't initially noticed completely what was wrong the first time I attempted the fix.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marissa_Cooper&diff=575321035&oldid=575320866][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marissa_Cooper&diff=575321484&oldid=575321035][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marissa_Cooper&diff=575322068&oldid=575321484][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marissa_Cooper&diff=575322381&oldid=575322068] And [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marissa_Cooper&diff=575323084&oldid=575322844 here] is the tweak I was referring to. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 19:08, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
+::Going back to reference formatting, yes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marissa_Cooper&diff=575320681&oldid=574118304 this attempt] was a little wrong, but was mostly correct; it simply had stray parts of reference templates included. You are correct that I fixed that, though it took me a few edits to fix all of the reference formatting in that section because I hadn't initially noticed completely what was wrong the first time I attempted the fix.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marissa_Cooper&diff=575321035&oldid=575320866][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marissa_Cooper&diff=575321484&oldid=575321035][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marissa_Cooper&diff=575322068&oldid=575321484][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marissa_Cooper&diff=575322381&oldid=575322068] And [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marissa_Cooper&diff=575323084&oldid=575322844 here] is the tweak I was referring to. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 19:08, 1 October 2013 (UTC)