User talk:Tariqabjotu

Talk Hinduism 900 million adherents Archive One: 8 July 2005 to 3 February 2006 Archive Two: 4 February 2006 to 23 March 2006 Archive Three: 24 March 2006 to 6 April 2006 Archive Four: 8 April 2006 to 12 May 2006 Archive Five: 13 May 2006 to 26 May 2006 Archive Six: 27 May 2006 to 25 June 2006 Archive Seven: 26 June 2006 to 16 July 2006 Archive Eight: 17 July 2006 to 7 August 2006 "I look upon all creatures equally; none are less dear to me and none more dear." -- Bhagavad Gita how-to on a template you created Hi, it seems you created the template:merge-multiple ? I want to use it for a whole series of articles but I don't know how to use the optional Discuss parameter. Strangely enough, when I try to simply specify a talk page as the last parameter it doesn't work ;) but I don't know how to specify the "discuss" parameter name. I looked around to see what articles linked to the template but I couldn't find one with a long list of articles which specified a single talk page. TIA,--Garrie 00:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Use {{merge-multiple|Article 1|Article 2|Article 3|...|Article X|discuss=Talk:Article 1}}, for example. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 00:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks that was far faster than I had hoped! Garrie again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GarrieIrons (talk • contribs) No problem. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 00:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Signpost updated for August 7th The Wikipedia Signpost Volume 2, Issue 32 7 August 2006 About the Signpost Guidance on publicity photos called dangerous False death information survives for a month in baseball biographies Wikiversity officially announced by Wales Single-user login, stable versioning planned soon Wales, others announce new projects at Wikimania Wikipedia satire leads to vandalism, protections Early history of Wikipedia reviewed Report from the Polish Wikipedia News and notes Wikipedia in the News Features and admins The Report On Lengthy Litigation Archives  |  Newsroom  |  Tip Line  |  Single-Page View RSS Shortcut : WP:SIGN You are receiving this message because you have signed up for the Signpost spamlist. If you wish to stop receiving these messages, simply remove your name from the list. Ralbot 05:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Help at "Jesus in Islam" article Hi Joturner, Just wondering if you might be interested to work a bit of Jesus related articles. I have started working on Islam and anti-Semitism. The quality of that article was horrible when I touched it (and still it is). As to the Islamic view of Jesus' death, I have found these material on how western scholars explain Muslim view on death of Jesus[1] but didn't get to add them to the article. I'm sure one can find much more sources (by searching in books.google.com). Just thought you may like working on that article. If not, it is perfectly okay. I'll take care of that article later. Islam and anti-Semitism also needs much work BTW. --Aminz 09:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC) GHe's RfA Re: Move Help Done. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 03:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks again. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 03:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC) Happy birthday to me! Thanks for the thoughtful birthday wishes. :) – 13:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC) re FYI Thanks, It wasn't supposed to have gone live yet. Oh well. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 13:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC) Hi Hi Abjotu, I completely understand your position in my RfA. I thank you for showing the confidence in me initially, and also for having the courage to change your !vote. Why? because it takes a lot of courage to switch from support of a candidate one knows personally. I hold you in high regard and assure you that you will keep on seeing positives from my side, and at the same time, I will try my best to keep the "negatives" to the minimum. Regards, — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 15:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC) DYK On 10 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Capital Area Food Bank, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. Hi! Hi again, Tariqabjotu! Would you mind re-proposing Opus Dei for GA? It was struck out from the list after some people thought it was biased. Mediation committee recently ruled it is actually NPOV. Thought you might want to know. :-) Lafem 11:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC) removing talk page comments Do not remove points of view on talk pages. Talk pages are there to talk about points of views, not removing them or shuting them up. --Striver 16:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Hey You run into me? That's surprising, since I don't recall having seen you around before. Always glad to make a new friend, though. Johnleemk | Talk 19:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Oh wait, you're joturner? Ah, we've met. Hehe. :) Johnleemk | Talk 19:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Thank you Opposed own RfA Oh my! You have sharp eyes. Cheers. :) Dlohcierekim 13:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks; this is about to get interesting... -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 13:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks for your note. No doubt. Thanks for doing the homework I should have. :) Dlohcierekim 13:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Re: WP:AN/I Actually, I was hoping somebody else would go ahead and post it, saving me the trouble. But, fair enough; if you think I should go ahead with it, I will. Kirill Lokshin 16:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC) I have to go now, actually. Perhaps you or someone else could take care of it. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 16:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC) 1st Edit Day Thanks! Hello Tariqabjotu. I must say a really big thank you for the first edit day road sign you gave me. Having driven on both sets of roads, I must agree that not only are the signs easier, but also the roads are nicer (if you like fast driving ;) Once agian, thank you very, very much for you 1st edit day wishes. I hope we can talk again more in the future! Yours, Thε Halo Θ 18:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Closed MedCabal case Just letting you know I closed a cabal case for you, due to inactivity. SynergeticMaggot 20:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the BTTF relist and correction Thank you for correcting my error on the request for renaming on the Back to the Future trilogy. How long should it last until the renaming takes place? (I will have a lot of edits to do if it is moved, but I am prepared for that. :)) - LA @ 06:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Move requests normally last about five days, so it should be closed on August 17 or August 18. How come you will have a lot of work to do if it's moved? Are you referring to changing all the links? -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 13:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Yes, I am referring to the change of the links, since I am the one who wants it moved. I am not looking forward to it but will do it if it happens. - LA @ 14:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Are you familiar with AutoWikiBrowser; it makes the process much easier. Back in June, I replaced 800 images in about four hours or so. However, you don't have nearly as many things to change. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 14:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC) I have it, but haven't quite figured it out yet. - LA @ 14:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC) My RfA Hey Tariq, just a quick note to let you know I withdrew my RfA at 13/11/10. Bornhj thanks you for the support :) --james(talk) 11:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC) RfA thanks Thanks so much for voting, Tariqabjotu! Thanks so much for your support vote on my request for adminship! With a final vote count of (82/5/0), it succeeded, and I'm now an administrator! I am thrilled with the overwhelming positive support from the community, and sincerely thank you once again for taking your time to voice your opinion. Feel free to contact me with any comments/suggestions in the future! —Mets501 (talk) 03:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC) WIkipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award Tariqabjotu, thanks for signing up for the Esperanza User Page Contest. The judges have received the fifteen entries, and are ready to start judging. The judges will take a week to complete the judging process, and they will contact all the participants when the judging is done. Please drop by the contest page for contest updates and questions. Take care, and good luck! May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 08:15, 13 August 2006 (UTC) Thank you (sorry this is late) Just a big thank you for the birthday wishes and Spain is a long long way off for now and sorry its late but I have been away .    LONDON UK    • 12:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC) Please upload photo to Commons Please upload your Photos to Commons. This would allow other Wikimedia projects (including Wikipedia in other languages) to use them. (Image:Dulles-board-11aug06.jpg). Thank you. --80.139.71.5 14:23, 13 August 2006 (UTC) Done. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 15:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC) Love the Userpage For you for having a wonderful user page. Æon Insane Ward 14:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC) For having a nice userpage with interesting content, you are presented with the Excellent User Page Award. Æon Insane Ward 14:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks a lot for the barnstar, although it appears you won't be judging it in the User Page Contest. I have add the barnstar to my user page. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 14:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC) Your Welcome! And thanks for the Edit Day wish! it has been a year already! Æon Insane Ward 15:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC) Coach disambiguation page First of all, thank you for completing the move of Coach to Coach (vehicle). Could you also please complete the second part of the request, which would be to move Coach (disambiguation) to Coach? I realize that a redirect was created, but actually having the dab page there would be more helpful and look a little "neater". Thanks. SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC) I'm not an admin, so I can't perform the move myself. I often take care of as many moves as possible at WP:RM because they're often neglected by administrators and because I want to leave as little work for the admins when they get around to it (note that frequent appearance of the {{adminbacklog}} template). I could, however, refer you to one (or contact one myself) if you so desire. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 15:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC) Ah, we're in the same boat, then. Non-admins who don't have the access rights to properly take care of all of the housekeeping issues we'd like to tackle. Don't worry about it, then. I'll take care of it. SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC) August Esperanza Newsletter Program Feature: To-Do List The Esperanza To-Do List is a place where you may list any request, big or small, for assistance. If you need help with archiving your usertalk, for example, all you need to do is list it here and somebody will help you out. 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Signpost updated for August 14th The Wikipedia Signpost Volume 2, Issue 33 14 August 2006 About the Signpost Editing for hire leads to intervention Meetups And Newsworthy International Assemblages Report from the Chinese Wikipedia News and notes Wikipedia in the News Features and admins Bugs, Repairs and Internal Operational News The Report On Lengthy Litigation Archives  |  Newsroom  |  Tip Line  |  Single-Page View RSS Shortcut : WP:SIGN You are receiving this message because you have signed up for the Signpost spamlist. If you wish to stop receiving these messages, simply remove your name from the list. Ralbot 06:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC) WIkipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award Greetings, Tariqabjotu. The judges would like to announce that the winner for the Esperanza User Page Contest has been chosen. Congratulations to Buchanan-Hermit for winning the contest. The winning entry can be found here. If you'd like to participate in the contest again, check by the contest page in a few days and sign up. See you around. May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 16:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC) Re:Elk Draft it, we all have our limits, refusing a mediation is bad enough, but continuing to edit war...The time has matured, send me an e-mail before posting it (as a word document that I can preview in wikispace), make sure that we get it going before 23rd as I am off to Abkhazia for three weeks on that day. --Kuban Cossack 20:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC) I created a draft at User:Tariqabjotu/Elk Salmon RfC. -- tariqabjotu 23:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC) Thank you Thank you so much for the barnstar. That was so very kind of you, and deeply appreciated. Best regards, Sandy 23:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC) Wangi/RFA Thanks for your support on my RfA. Give me shout if I can be of help. Thanks/wangi 00:18, 19 August 2006 (UTC) Image:Vishniac smiling.jpg The image was a scan of a print photograph taken by my father. I had this described at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Vishniac_smiling.jpg, but I don't mind your inquiry at all. Better safe than sorry. -- Rmrfstar 03:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC) It wasn't described there. -- tariqabjotu 03:41, 19 August 2006 (UTC) My mistake. I wrote above then checked the page, and you had already fixed it! I apologize and thank you for correcting my errors. -- Rmrfstar 09:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC) WP:RM Yeah, I was trying to kill off the move request box, but thanks alot for pointing out the closed discussion page, I will use it when I get back to it. Thanks, Yanksox 15:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC) Signpost updated for August 21st The Wikipedia Signpost Volume 2, Issue 34 21 August 2006 About the Signpost Politician's staff criticizes Wikipedia after being caught editing it Board of Trustees elections continue with call for candidates Report from the Swedish Wikipedia News and notes Wikipedia in the News Features and admins Bugs, Repairs and Internal Operational News The Report On Lengthy Litigation Archives  |  Newsroom  |  Tip Line  |  Single-Page View RSS Shortcut : WP:SIGN You are receiving this message because you have signed up for the Signpost spamlist. If you wish to stop receiving these messages, simply remove your name from the list. Ralbot 04:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks + Special Surprise Well... you've been keeping me on my toes ever since I started writing for the Signpost, and since I think you've corrected me 3 weeks in a row, that it merits something. So I said to myself... "eh... why not a barnstar?" Here you go...! Barnstar of Diligence The Barnstar of Diligence For your outstanding error-spotting and correcting in my short tenure as a writer for the Wikipedia Signpost. Ian Manka Talk to me! 01:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Ian Manka Talk to me! 01:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Don't worry; I'm not scanning over your articles to see if you've made mistakes; I just happened to look at WP:100. Regardless, thanks for the barnstar; I have added it to my user page. -- tariqabjotu 01:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC) I understand that. But, to save me from possible embarassment, you've corrected them, and I just wanted to show that I appreciated it. Do whatever you want -- don't think that this barnstar is a legally binding agreement! Anyways, keep up the good work. Ian Manka Talk to me! 02:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Image:En-admin-growth.png This is an excellent graph, thank you for doing it :). My latest post on my talk page explains how I would tweak it, but it is quite good as is. I hope you will update it every so often, perhaps at the end of each calendar month. Cheers, NoSeptember 17:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC) Disciple (disambig) move page. Not that this is a huge deal, but I left off the big survey format intentionally. I'd hoped that move would have been speedied, since it was a completely non-controversial move that would have solved a double-redirect, and if there was chatter, it didn't need to be done in full out debate format. Anyway, not to be too direct, but if you do want to oppose the move, can you at least drop off some opinions as to why? (Edit: Upon looking more closely, I see that I may have misread your intent. Sorry if you were only there to help out by adding that format; I got the impression you wanted to oppose the move as well- which maybe you do, but I suppose we'll see.) SnowFire 02:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC) I don't want to oppose the move, and I'm not going to support it either. Since I'm trying to clear out the move request backlog, I'd like to stay impartial on discussions, staying out of things. However, I would like to add that one issue regarding the move is that it has been made possible only because of a not-so-benign move. Of course, not all moves need to be approved via WP:RM, so it's not like you were in the wrong to do that move. However, some may object to your current proposed move (Disciple (disambiguation) → Disciple) if they believe Disciple (Christianity) should be at Disciple. And thus, I feel the survey / discussion section should be there; if no one brings up that objection, the desired move should be performed on August 30 or August 31. -- tariqabjotu 02:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC) Perhaps I should rephrase. I knew that that would be a possible area of contention, and I did in fact wait for a bit on the talk page to see if anyone had any comments. However, I thought that the Disambig page should definitely go to Disciple now, and the possible switching of the pages around could be decided later- as in, have a vote on either Disciple and Disciple (disambig) (with the main page being Christian-related, which is what I originally prefered before changing my mind- if I'd known at the time, I'd have moved the page then, and started the disambig page anew at the main page) or else Disciple and Disciple (Christian). Having the main Disciple page be a redirect seems a bad idea to me- I'd have no problem at all if, say, the disambig page got moved now, but in the debate, something closer to the original split happened. In that case, it'd still be easy to "undo" the change, by moving Disciple -> Disambig and Disciple (C)->Disciple. The uncontroversial part was that the main Disciple page should be filled with something. But no matter. One of the Wikipedia mottos is "Wikipedia is not on a deadline", so if it happens slower, it's no huge tragedy. SnowFire 03:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC) You have been nominated for adminship I beat you to it (I had the page on my watchlist). I'm sorry, but I'll have to decline the nomination. Since I see quite a few people have been asking me about adminship, I'll loosen up on the October idea. Perhaps three admins (instead of the two I mention at User:Tariqabjotu/Rationale) will convince me to finally accept a nomination before October. -- tariqabjotu 05:20, 25 August 2006 (UTC) Re:The Graph Thanks, though you did most of the grunt work (entering the data). I've done a massive amount of Excel graph work at uni and my last job so I though I would be able to do something like that :) I agree, I'd like to see that graph with user data. If you fancy doing that go ahead- I'm supposed to be busy now (doing work in real world). Let me know if you want me to do it though. I'd recommend using whatever data includes the greatest number of users because often it is the few edit users that cause the most work for admins, so no point only counting the more experienced users. Petros471 14:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC) Info on Islamophobic group Hello, What follows are the thoughts, expressed in their own words, and in the 'protest signs', of the obscure, very small, but very vocal 'activist group' known as "Protest Warrior". "What's becoming clear is how the religion of Islam is addicted to war and mayhem. Not a radical minority, not a rogue sect, but its very essence is about submission and sacrifice and proving your worth by worshipping death in this life to gain a paradise of orgies and drunkenness. Their entire history is of warfare, and any accomplishments of their so-called Golden Age has been proven to be merely parasitic off the cultures they've conquered and reduced to dhimmi servitude. That every country under sharia is corrupt, belligerent, desolate and barbaric obviously gives them no pause, except to constantly drive them into further psychotic rage as they refuse to ever accept any responsibility for their conditions. They are akin to the powers in Orwell's 1984; there must always be an enemy. It's no surprise that women are treated like property in these countries as that's the only way Muslim men can feed their egos, to dominate others rather than ever actually produce something." Kfir Alfia and Alan Lipton, founders of "Protest Warrior" Their 'protest signs'... Signs I thought you might be interested in this group's sentiments. They are currently very actively editing their own article on Wiki and there is a lot of 'group think'. Perhaps you might want to become involved in the editing and discussion process on that page. If you do, please don't vandalize, and try to remain civil. Should you not want to involve youself, please forgive my intrusion. Protest Warrior Protest Warrior Discussion NBGPWS 09:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC) Move I'd probably make a bigger mess of it! Would you mind posting the request on WP:AN to ask someone to do it. If you're still stuck, you can get back to me, but I'm no expert on the moving business, I'm afraid. Tyrenius 01:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC) I'll contact another admin first, and then perhaps I'll go to WP:AN. I don't want to go to WP:AN and have three admins attempting to fix it at the same time. -- tariqabjotu 01:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC) LOL. Like buses? Tyrenius 01:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC) Yes... something like that... Alex Bakharev has prevented that situation. -- tariqabjotu 01:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC) Glad you've got it sorted. Tyrenius 01:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC) Exodus (organization) move Hi Tariqabjotu. You're right that the suggested discussion template for discussing page moves wasn't used, but see here: Talk:Exodus (organization)#Page title. There were no objections, and this is a procedural request because a redirect already exists. As the article makes clear, the name of the organization is Exodus International. Thanks. Fireplace 01:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC) It's quite common for low-profile articles, like Exodus (organization), to not receive much input, even over long periods of time. Creating a new survey / discussion section (along with adding to WP:RM) helps solicit input from users who normally would not visit page in question. Nevertheless, you can always contact an admin (I am not one) if you disagree and feel the page should be moved immediately. -- tariqabjotu 01:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC) Signpost updated for August 28th The Wikipedia Signpost Volume 2, Issue 35 28 August 2006 About the Signpost A note from the editor Interviews with Board of Trustees candidates Wikimedia Foundation CFO resigns Wikimania recap Report from the Spanish Wikipedia News and notes Wikipedia in the News Features and admins The Report On Lengthy Litigation Archives  |  Newsroom  |  Tip Line  |  Single-Page View RSS Shortcut : WP:SIGN You are receiving this message because you have signed up for the Signpost spamlist. If you wish to stop receiving these messages, simply remove your name from the list. Ralbot 06:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC) My RfA Thanks! Thank you very much for your support on my recent Request for Adminship, and particularly for your flatteringkind rationale. :) The request was ultimately unsuccessful - which wasn't entirely surprising - and so I'll be taking special care to address the concerns raised by the opposing !voters before running again. If you have any feedback for me, please don't hesitate to leave it at my talk page. Thanks! -- RandyWang (chat/patch) 13:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC) RfA thanks Thank you very much for participating in my RFA, which closed successfully today with a result of (62/18/3). I will go very carefully at first, trying to make sure I don't mess up too badly using the tools, and will begin by re-reading all the high-quality feedback I received during the process, not least from those who opposed me. Any further advice/guidance will be gratefully accepted. I hope I will live up to your trust! Guinnog 14:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)} Prime Minister Move Your move to Prime minister (sic) is wrong under WP rules. WP does not allow pages to be moved to grammatically incorrect locations. The office is spelt two ways: either with both words uppercased or both lowercased. As technical reasons prevent the page being located with both names lowercased it was decided long ago, on this and similar cases, that there was no option but to use the title in uppercase. That policy trumps any vote. Indeed if the RM proposal had been spotted in time, admins would have aborted it as the vote is invalid under WP rules. The reason for this policy is simple. Having an article on something called a Prime minister would have Wikipedia an international laughing stock. It is about as loopy and ignorant as writing United states or George bush. Please be more careful and avoid making WP a laughing stock. If the media ever saw your move they would have a field-day. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 01:24, 31 August 2006 (UTC) I haven't seen any discussion regarding this on Talk:Prime Minister, so I commented on this at the administrator's noticeboard. I don't think United States and George Bush are analogous here since those two subjects never have the second word in lowercase. It seems like, if necessary, the {{lowercase}} template can be added to the top of the Prime minister article. Regardless, I await confirmation at the admin noticeboard that the precedent you speak of does indeed exist. -- tariqabjotu 01:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC) No problem. It is a while since this issue last came up. I'm trying to remember where the discussion occurred then. (I remember it spread over a number of places because it involved a number of articles.) Because periodically attempts are made to move the page to Prime minister (much to fury or hilarity from British users and political scientists on WP because a mixed title is such a fundamental faux pas) the importance of unison capitalisation of the office was spelt out explicitly in a number of the Naming Conventions pages. If you look to the NC page on capitalisation you will see that the office is explicitly mentioned as an example, precisely because this issue comes up. The template about first letter lowercasing only applies where the first letter has to be lowercased but the other words (if there are any) are uppercased (eg, iPod, true Catholic Church and where there is no alternative. It is not designed to cover cases where there is the option of full uppercasing. Where there are two options, and one is technically possible, it is always used. In the past where RMs have resulted in results that clashed with the MoS and NC, admins overrule the RM using the IAR (Ignore All Rules) rule which is there in effect to override a decision taken under a rule which if implemented would damage WP. Writing Prime minister, as I have said, would make us a laughing stock among among interested in current affairs, politics, political science, history, or anything similar. It is a really really embarrassing mistake. Just how embarrasing however may not be appreciated by people outside the area of political science. It is like having an article on France and naming its capital as Berlin, or an article on George Bush and saying that he is a Democrat (or that he is the wife of Bill Clinton!) It is of that scale of, if you'll pardon the word, "wrongness". FearÉIREANN\(caint) 02:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC) I have no interest in defending Prime minister over Prime Minister; my goal is to determine which is more appropriate (given naming conventions) for the article title. As for "It is like having an article on France and naming its capital as Berlin, or an article on George Bush and saying that he is a Democrat (or that he is the wife of Bill Clinton!)"... no, it's not even close. -- tariqabjotu 02:32, 31 August 2006 (UTC)