User talk:George Ho

I am diagnosed with "moderate autism". I am doing and will continue to do my best to be civil, especially when issues with me are raised, especially by newcomers. If any of my edits is uncivil, please address it, so I will stop whatever is considered uncivil. However, civility is subjective. Even so, I will resist doing something considered uncivil until an edit is decided as civil.

Further note, I relinquished my rights to edit "extended confirmed"-protected pages, so I cannot edit those pages at this time.

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/The Rambling Man

An arbitration case regarding The Rambling man has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

1. The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)'s resignation as an administrator is to be considered under controversial circumstances, and so his administrator status may only be regained via a successful request for adminship.
2. The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) is prohibited from insulting and/or belittling other editors. If The Rambling Man finds himself tempted to engage in prohibited conduct, he is to disengage and either let the matter drop or refer it to another editor to resolve. If however, in the opinion of an uninvolved administrator, The Rambling Man does engage in prohibited conduct, he may be blocked for a duration consistent with the blocking policy. The first four blocks under this provision shall be arbitration enforcement actions and may only be reviewed or appealed at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. Should a fifth block prove necessary, the blocking administrator must notify the Arbitration Committee of the block via a Request for Clarification and Amendment so that the remedy may be reviewed. The enforcing administrator may also at their discretion fully protect The Rambling Man's talk page for the duration of the block.

   Nothing in this remedy prevents enforcement of policy by uninvolved administrators in the usual way.

3. The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) and George Ho (talk · contribs) are indefinitely prohibited from interacting with, or commenting on, each other anywhere on Wikipedia (subject to the ordinary exceptions).
4. George Ho (talk · contribs) is indefinitely restricted from participating in selecting main page content. For clarity, this means he may not participate in:

   1. Any process in which the content of the main page is selected, including Did you know?, In the news, On this day, Today's featured article, Today's featured list, and Today's featured picture.
   2. Any process in which possible problems with the content of the main page are reported, including WP:ERRORS and Talk:Main Page.
   3. Any discussion about the above processes, regardless of venue.

   He may edit articles linked from or eligible to be linked from the main page (e.g., the current featured article) and may participate in content review processes not directly connected to main page content selection (e.g., reviewing Featured article candidates). He may request reconsideration of this restriction twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every six months thereafter.

5. The community is encouraged to review the selection process for the Did you know and In the news sections of the main page. The community is also reminded that they may issue topic bans without the involvement of the Arbitration Committee if consensus shows a user has repeatedly submitted poor content, performed poor reviews, or otherwise disrupted these processes.

For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 05:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/The Rambling Man

Interaction Ban Reminder

Hello,

I’m writing to remind you that as a result of the arbitration case that both you and The Rambling Man are prohibited from interacting with each other, barring the usual exceptions. Recently, you posted questions to the election pages of multiple candidates where you indirectly made reference to The Rambling Man. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15) Please note that such comments are not permitted under the interaction ban and further instances will result in a block. Best regards, Mike V • Talk 22:59, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I won't do that anymore for now, Mike. Shall I report this the next time it happens? Or can someone else do it? George Ho (talk) 23:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

If you are referring to a violation of the interaction ban, you can mention it another admin once. Otherwise, it would be best to avoid all discussion related to The Rambling Man. Mike V • Talk 23:55, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Shall I report his attempts to excuse himself to you, Mike? I felt unease when he made indirect references by saying "canvassing". I was prompted to ask questions when mentioned "canvassed". Is this his actions at the questions subpages excusable? George Ho (talk) 00:11, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

At this point, a warning has been made and I've encouraged him to leave things alone. I think that is sufficient for now. Mike V • Talk 00:26, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Just wanted to drop a note that, as a result of extensive community discussion and numerous issues, the warning issued above has been overturned. [1] Regards, The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 22:36, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement block

To enforce an arbitration decision and for violating IBAN with The Rambling Man at Talk:2017 (such as the Talk:2017#2017 Manchester Arena bombing section and discussion regarding the "Cholera outbreak"), you have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block or other sanctions.

If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing blocks (specifically this section) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Please copy my appeal to the [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement noticeboard]] or [[WP:AN|administrators' noticeboard]]. Your reason here OR place the reason below this template. ~~~~}}. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard I suggest you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:35, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

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Reminder to administrators: In May 2014, ArbCom adopted the following procedure instructing administrators regarding Arbitration Enforcement blocks: "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" [in the procedure]). Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped."

Thanks!

Hi George, thank you for your questions at my RfA. I honestly had some fun answering them, which is probably not something you'd ever expected to hear. Cheers, ansh666 22:38, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Regarding your comment at AN

As the discussion evolved I came to the conclusion that I do not have a strong case regarding the specific incident I reported.

You brought up a related incident, and a search of the edit history may bring up enough other examples for you to file an Arbcom Case. If you decide to do that, the key phrase is "conduct unbecoming an administrator" as defined in Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement. Not having done the search I don't know if the example you gave is an isolated incident or a pattern of conduct, and thus cannot speculate on the chances of success of such an Arbcom filing. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:50, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

HIS/History

Regarding the edits to HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I, you commented "recent RM says no to lowercasing". What's "RM"? Trivialist (talk) 19:20, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

"WP:Requested moves", Trivialist. Also, see Talk:HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I#Requested move 11 July 2017. I have to undo your other changes on "HIStory" pages. --George Ho (talk) 19:23, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Of course, not sure why my mind blanked on "Requested moves." Trivialist (talk) 19:24, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Also, may you please remove a speedy move tag from History/Ghosts, Trivialist? Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 19:27, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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Quatrefoil

Hi, George Ho! Thank you for your edits on Quatrefoil: A Modern Novel, including the updated cover photo. I hadn't thought to check a place like eBay for previous cover art; I just used the one on Goodreads. I will definitely take this in mind going forward. I'm curious if you've read the novel (yet). I do highly recommend it. = paul2520 (talk) 13:45, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome, Paul. I've not read the novel read, but I bet it was ahead of its time. BTW, the website that holds the image is Neil Pearson Rare Books, which has collection of first editions. --George Ho (talk) 18:56, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewing

Hello, George Ho. I've seen you editing recently and you seem knowledgeable about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Would you please consider becoming a New Page Reviewer? Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; currently Wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. (After gaining the flag, patrolling is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). But kindly read the tutorial before making your decision. Thanks. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 09:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hi, George Ho! It seems I have run into a looky likey problem with this file as you did with Reg Grundy. "Stephen" has taken it upon himself to delete this photo from an obituary article. So I sent him a message: This file is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and allowed only under a claim of fair use per Wikipedia:Non-free content, because the man is deceased. As the source programme is still under copyright, and any similar image meeting the stated purpose would by necessity be derivative of the original programme, a free replacement cannot be provided. Question: What do you mean by: "rm NFU image, no evidence of sourcing another image". What policy are you using. And where is there an example of "evidence of sourcing another image"? How is this different from Reg Grundy? George, I don't want to get bogged down with this 1 click deletist accumulator. Do you have any advice for me? --BeckenhamBear (talk) 19:44, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@BeckenhamBear: Here are my advices:

• If you try reinserting the image, you might risk edit warring unless that admin won't re-remove it and anyone else won't remove it.
• If you try reinserting it and then taking it FFD, there must a legitimate reason to take it to discussion, but that would lead to either "deletion" or "no consensus to delete". Nevertheless, that's worth a try, I guess?
• Before taking it to ANI, you may want to read this: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive949#User:Stephen removing image with no basis in policy. However, I wouldn't encourage it yet.
• You may want to evaluate WP:NFCC's clause, "A file with a valid non-free-use rationale for some (but not all) articles it is used in will not be deleted. Instead, the file should be removed from the articles for which it lacks a non-free-use rationale, or a suitable rationale added," and discuss it at WT:NFC. I plan to discuss it at a later time, but you can discuss it as soon as you want to.
• Best not to propose adding another rule as I tried but failed.

I have encountered with this admin before. George Ho (talk) 20:04, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: Thanks George, I've read your advices. The stuff of nightmares. I have done a diligent search for free images already, but proving that will be difficult. There are no free images on the net. His fame dates from the 1970's, so no fan club of note. He was known to be non-cooperative in the main with fans requests,and why should he since he had ongoing income problems. Indeed there are very few photos on the net at all, despite how well known a face he was in the UK. This Admin is going to play the "three month" and show us your diary card. Well! Nothing has surfaced as a free image of this guy in 40 years. I'm guessing that I'll just have to lay down some markers in the Talk page as suggested by "Beyond my Ken". There seems to be no common sense here at all. Please keep me posted on any progress you make on this issue. A key part of this is that the Agencies; Alamy, Getty etc. are in the main not interested. This is very fringe stuff. What's painful for us is (I suspect strongly) that the agencies are in the habit of fishing for free images and slapping watermarks on them, thus confusing our bots. I have seen this on photos dating back to 1865. The Wiki death roll is an easy trigger for them to start a search. Regards --BeckenhamBear (talk) 21:51, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

I contacted the photographers who created those photos, asking him permissions to use them. However, I won't guarantee 100% success or 99%. Most of the time, they either do not respond or do not grant permission. In some cases, they do, like that of Alex Tizon. --George Ho (talk) 04:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)