Talk:Bark (botany)

Quotation

Many wikipedia articles begin with a relevant quote, why is the quote for this article being removed? --NEMT 13:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

1. Because it is confusing and inaccurate nonsense - the species cited all have bark
2. Scientific articles don't start with quotes
3. If it is a quote (which I have no reason to suppose it is), it should include the details of the person making the quote

- MPF 14:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

1. It's not confusing nor is it inaccurate, a quotation can be factually incorrect and still be accurate.
2. I've never seen any official wiki policy on which articles may start with quotes and which may not.
3. You have a reason to suppose it is an "actual quote", WP:AGF.

--NEMT 14:29, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

"Assume good faith" does not mean that in every case we blindly accept every statement--even if it's obviously preposterous. There's also a principle about providing attributions. 140.147.236.194 (talk) 13:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

Sorry, but absolute rubbish. Having this sentence at the top of the page makes it look like a scientific statement that poplar, ash, and maple do not have bark. Which is confusing cr@p. If you really think this statement is essential in the page (which it isn't), put it lower down, add the name of the person who originally said it (if other than yourself), and add a rider to point out that the statement is untrue. - MPF 14:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The context of the quote clearly dismisses the scientific value of the parenthesized part. --NEMT 14:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Which trees don't have bark?

I heard that 2 trees don't have bark.DaveDodgy (talk) 04:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Poplar, ash, and maple bark?

I was going to ask about the suspiciously poetic ("Some trees are big, some trees are small'?) statement that all trees have bark except for poplar, ash, and maple. Those three certainly have something that appears to be bark. Besides, the Wikipedia articles on all three of these groups discuss their bark at least to some extent. On digging back I find that this idea comes from an unattributed quote that someone wanted to insert several years ago. That person had a habit of terming it "vandalism" if anyone removed the quote as being unsourced, irrelevant, and possibly nonsense. Now, that person has put this little factoid back in the body, instead of as a quote. It just seems too unlikely, especially considering the source; a statement like that needs some backing up somehow. I almost never make substantial edits, but in this case I feel quite comfortable removing it. If someone can back up the statement as factual, I'd be interested in seeing that. 140.147.236.194 (talk) 21:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

Further on this--I've just noticed that this article has a photograph of Japanese Maple Bark. That would seem to contradict the statement in question. If someone has some good authority that says that what appears to be bark on poplars, ashes, and maples is something other than bark, let's hear it. 140.147.236.194 (talk) 21:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

"Some trees are big, some trees are small, but all trees have bark...except poplar, ash, and maple." This quote, which apparently used to lead the article, is from "Smart and Smarter," a 2004 episode of the U.S. television series "The Simpsons." It's a joke with no basis in fact, but it's worth noting its origin here in the Talk page so people know the source of that piece of misinformation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.189.253.2 (talk) 18:46, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

And "bark" on palm trees

The discussion on the three trees whose bark is apparently "not bark" notwithstanding ... ... I once read on botanical website (which I can't find now) that the "bark" on palm trees is technically something else, not bark. Can anyone shed any light on this? I came to this article hoping to find something on that. 140.147.236.194 (talk) 21:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

Bark

Bark is formed from the layer of dividing mitotic cells known as the cork cambium. Dicotyledon trees have a bark or cork layer, especially, ash, maple, etc. The way that the bark develops differs, some trees developing deeply creviced bark, thick and smooth, etc. They are all bark though. Monocotyledons have a very different plant structure, being a group that includes the grasses, bamboo, etc. The protective layer acts as bark, however it is structurally different from 'true' bark. Rosser (talk) 17:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Is this meant, at least in part, to answer my question about palm trees? I have a vague idea that palm trees are monocotyledons--although I get very confused without looking it all up. 140.147.236.194 (talk) 13:54, 15 May 2009 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

The two cambiums--made some changes for clarity??

I made some changes in the first paragraph of the Botanical description section. It seemed to me that the discussion of the cambium layers and their functions was not clear regarding the two different cambiums and their functions. I sorted it out for myself from other Wikipedia articles. And I made some changes to sort out Cork cambium from Vascular cambium. Since I only sorted out what I think experts were trying to say, I'd appreciate it if someone more knowledgeable would look it over and see if I've got it right. 140.147.236.194 (talk) 13:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

I work with potato periderm, and made some changes to clarify which cell types make up the periderm. In particular, phelloderm is different from the cork or phellem and is not suberized. I also added some references. I will likely make a few more addition in the near future. --Splitrock105 (talk) 15:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

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Requested move 27 November 2017

• Bark → Bark (botany)
• Bark (disambiguation) → Bark

– There simply is not a primary topic between Bark, the woody exterior of plants, and Bark (sound), the sound made by wolves and dogs. Most results on Google Books for "bark" return the sound made by dogs and wolves, and recently, on some days, Bark (sound) has more page views than Bark. Steel1943 (talk) 16:52, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

• Support nom is right In ictu oculi (talk) 23:24, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
• Support The primary topic here is very unclear._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 08:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
• Support, per Trunk (botany) and the question of primary. Reminds me of Poppy compared to Poppy (singer), an overall topic which, by the numbers, has no primary. And no, I am not in a cult ruled by Poppy (she makes us say that). Randy Kryn (talk) 11:34, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
• Support, per both criteria of primary topic. Zarcadia (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
• Support per all.

Whoever makes the move needs to WP:FIXDABLINKS beforehand. Narky Blert (talk) 13:29, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

I've just fixed more than a dozen obviously bad links into Bark. Almost all were the U.S. spelling of barque.

NB Bark (botany) exists as a redirect to Bark and has incoming links. Narky Blert (talk) 14:09, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

• Support; I would expect the sound to be at barking but the botany topic to be disambiguated due to other topics, e.g. barque. Nyttend (talk) 01:14, 3 December 2017 (UTC)