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United Democratic Alliance (Kenya)

Hello could you help me change the default colour of the political party I've linked above. I've tried to change but it seems I can't. It predominantly uses yellow as their choice. The code is # F4CB23. Thank you.154.70.0.223 (talk) 02:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm afraid this is not my specialty. There are other editors who work more regularly with establishing party colors who would be better able to help you. BD2412 T 02:15, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Strange

This page in Kiswahili was created, but not by me. Any idea why or if it is something that should cause concern? Atsme 💬 📧 10:32, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@Atsme: No cause for concern, this happens to me all the time. Typically what will happen is that the edit history of an article that you have worked on will be imported to another Wiki, which will mistake that for you making a first edit to the site, and will greet you accordingly. BD2412 T 17:10, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Y - thank you! Atsme 💬 📧 20:23, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Notice of No Original Research Noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic List of justices of the Supreme Court of Virginia. Thank you. --Glanvil (talk) 05:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I moved the discussion from the NOR noticeboard for the reason in my edit summary. It seemed that the discussion of the issue there was too long, in comparison to most of the other topics on the noticeboard; there was also a risk that our editing of the noticeboard could overwrite a change another editor made on another topic between the time one of us started a respone in the edit box and published it. I thought moving was better than copying, so that neither of us had to update in two places. I didn't intend to hide your responses, and made clear that there was a longer discussion and where it had been moved to. I didn't change what you had written in any way when I made the move, except to insert an additional level of indentation on the Talk page. Maybe I should have transcluded on the Talk page instead of moving. I had no ulterior motive, but I apologize if it was inappropriate.

I'm also sorry if you think I'm wasting your time. I think it is a principled disagreement. I have assiduously cited authorities for the points I've made. I have explained that the court had a succession of seats between 1895 and 1971 because a succession of seats was constitutionally required by the Constitution of 1902. That constitutional requirement ended in 1971. The reason there was a succession of seats between 1971 and 2022 is because of the coincidence that there were no overlapping vacancies in that period, except in 2011; otherwise, there was only one vacancy at a time in that 40-year span. The question of succession in 2011 was answered by the General Assembly, who appoints new justices when it is in session. No one has answered the question of succession for 2022. The clerk can't answer it, OES can't answer it; it's like asking the Governor of (insert state here) whether the Equal Rights Amendment was ratified as part of the Constitution. There is an entity with the legal authority to decide that question (and it's no state's governor); anyone else's opinion is an opinion, not a decision.

If Delegate Bell or anyone else I've asked at the General Assembly comes back with an answer, I will accept the answer. I have no vested interest in who between Russell and Mann succeeded Lemons or Mims. My only interest is that Wikipedia shouldn't take a side on the issue until it is resolved by someone who can resolve it. At the moment, my position is that we don't know. Senator Edwards agreed with my position: he doesn't know either; and if he doesn't know, how can we? I added the disputed tag to the article to reflect that there is a good-faith dispute about the issue; I left the summary of the dispute on the NOR noticeboard because I still think it's appropriate for impartial review. If I'm abusing Wikipedia's policies in some way, please let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glanvil (talk • contribs) 00:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

If the clerk of the court had said there was no succession of seats, would you have been more accepting of their ability to speak on the subject? We have an answer. If you can provide a source for the proposition that there is no succession (or the succession is the other way), please do so. BD2412 T 00:36, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't have gone down the road of calling the clerk's office because I don't think the clerk has the authority to answer the question. Sure, the clerk can have an opinion, but without authority her opinion is no better than anyone else's.

Maybe I can explain better why I think your position is flawed with an example. Virginia has two U.S. Senators, Tim Kaine and Mark Warner. Kaine is in Senate Class 1 and he's up for reelection in 2024. Warner is in Class 2 and is up in 2026. Let's pretend Warner resigns effective September 1 to be Secretary of Commerce. Kaine, who has long-Covid (sadly true), retires for health reasons effective September 15. Governor Youngkin gets to appoint someone to fill both vacancies until a special election in November 2023. On October 1, Youngkin announces that he's appointed Jane Doe to the Senate; On October 5, he announces that he's appointed John Smith. Youngkin doesn't say whom he appointed Doe to replace or whom he appointed Smith to replace. But if they both run in the 2023 special election, one of them will be running for 1 year, until November 2024, and the over will be running for 3 years, until November 2026. So knowing whether Doe replaced Warner or Kaine, ditto Smith, is important. Now, who gets to answer that question? Does Smith? Doe? Warner? Kaine? The Secretary of the Senate? The Parliamentarian? The Sergeant-at-Arms? No; each of those people might have an opinion, but only Youngkin can answer it. Only Youngkin had the power to fill the vacancies, so only he can decide. Does it matter that Youngkin appointed Doe earlier than Smith? Does that mean, without Youngkin saying so, that Doe filled Warner's seat and gets to run for a 3-year term in 2023 (and Smith can only run for a 1-year term), just because Warner office left first? No. The only thing that matters is who Youngkin says replaced whom. Everything else is opinion, without legal effect.

I have provided a source for the proposition that there is no succession: Senator Edwards, who would know if the General Assembly intended one to replace a specific retiree, said he did not know that one did. I have also provided a citation for the proposition that Justice Mann replaced Justice Lemons, as you requested in the discussion on the article's Talk page; the citation will be familiar to you. Glanvil (talk) 01:15, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Your proposition is that one person not knowing outweighs another person, in fact, knowing, which is not how information works. Do you have a source for the proposition that the clerk does not have the authority to answer the question? I have worked in the court system, and my experience is otherwise. BD2412 T 01:22, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I have updated the List of justices of the Supreme Court of Virginia article's talk page and the original research noticeboard with information I received today confirming that Justice Mann replaced Justice Mims and Justice Russell replaced Justice Lemons, although the order of succession had nothing to do with the order the two new justices joined the court. I have removed the associated dispute tags, but I did not archive the original research noticeboard because you did not like it when I moved the discussion from there to the article's talk page. I think the issue is resolved and can be archived.Glanvil (talk) 15:11, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I am glad to have this resolved, and noted this on the board as well. BD2412 T 15:37, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

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IP Talk Page Blanking

Hello! I wanted to let you know that when you're blanking old IP talk pages, such as this one, and adding the template {{OW}}, User:MalnadachBot apparently later removes that template and adds {{Blanked IP talk}}, (example here), which causes the bot to spend more time fixing a template. Is there a way you could solve this to save the bot time to do the more important job of blanking IP talk pages instead of simply replacing a template? Thanks. Nythar^T.C 18:58, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I can just add the {{Blanked IP talk}} template directly, which would save the bot the time. It wouldn't do much, though. Over the years, I have templated tens of thousands, possibly over a hundred thousand, old IP talk pages. BD2412 T 19:06, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Nythar^T.C 19:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

When we use {{OW}} or {{Blanked IP talk}}? I think OW is still be used on shared, static IP addresses but Blanked IP talk is only used in dynamic IP addresses, I think. Thingofme (talk) 15:38, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

My expectation was that {{OW}} was being superseded by {{Blanked IP talk}} on IP talk pages generally ({{OW}} is also used on a number of registered user talk pages, where {{Blanked IP talk}} would be inapplicable). BD2412 T 16:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

So should we merge OW and Blanked IP talk? Or OW still used for static IP addresses, maybe? Thingofme (talk) 00:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

At the very least, "OW" would need to remain for use on registered user talk pages. BD2412 T 00:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Registered talk page may be archived, not removed and templated. Thingofme (talk) 09:54, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

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Drafts

Hello, BD2412,

How do you keep track of your draft articles and edit them the DAY they are about to hit CSD G13 status? You may not realize how rare that is. Even experienced editors lose track of drafts they have created and once you stop getting those 5 month reminders, no one seems to remember that they were even working on draft articles since their edits to them are buried deep in Contributions lists. Kudos to you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:05, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Liz, it some cases it's pure luck. I do note the ones for which I get a five-month warning, though. BD2412 T 05:22, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

I sometimes feel badly about deleting drafts for active editors but some of these editors are juggling so many drafts and main space pages that I think their deletion and requesting their restoration at WP:REFUND reminds them that these drafts are still out there when they have forgotten about them. I mean some of these editors have dozens ond dozens of drafts they have created. A different kind of editing than I do. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:44, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I have about 1,060 at the moment. BD2412 T 00:47, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Wow! Talk about content creation! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:08, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Short desc

Hello! Just going by this. [1]

I feel like based on that, especially for the deceased, they are to be included. Now, if the description is already very long or the information in the article is unclear, I tend to avoid. However, I have noticed many articles that have had those already in there before I have made it a personal project. I try to do around 250-500 a day, give or take some for make-up days. I can tone down the amount if it is needed. Red Director (talk) 19:21, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

No worries, I have no problem with it. I was just curious, as it has been coming up in my watchlist a lot. BD2412 T 19:26, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

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Archiving

Hey, one reviewer has suggested that I archive all the sources in this featured list nomination. Do you know any bots that can help? Thanks in advance. TheWikiholic (talk) 17:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Deletion review for Okilani Tinilau

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Okilani Tinilau. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Avilich (talk) 23:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

A question about an offer to a blocked editor

I was surprised to see this edit. Is there some reason that I haven't realised why that isn't to be regarded as offering proxy editing to help an editor evade a block? JBW (talk) 08:54, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

@JBW: WP:PROXYING specifically allows for edits that are "either verifiable or productive", where the editor has "independent reasons for making such edits". Conveying the thoughts of the creator of a longstanding redirect in a discussion proposing to change the target of that redirect would present no verifiability concerns, and would clearly be productive to the extent that the editor who created the redirect many years before would be able to offer some insight into why it was created as such. In any case, I did not offer to make an edit on behalf of the blocked editor. I offered to convey their thoughts, which (had they expressed any) I would have paraphrased in summary form, along the lines of I asked the creator of the redirect, who is currently blocked, and they [agree/disagree/have no objection/have no opinion]. No language in the policy on proxying bars such a conveyance. BD2412 T 16:05, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

I can't see any way of reading "have independent reasons for making such edits" as meaning anything other than independent of the blocked editor. I also don't see how your making an edit to "convey [the] thoughts" of a blocked editor, where they have expressed those "thoughts" in response to an offer to make that edit to convey their thoughts, as anything other than making that edit on behalf of that editor. However, there are far bigger things to worry about. JBW (talk) 20:24, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Having a well-informed discussion on the best use of a redirect is an independent reason in itself. BD2412 T 20:28, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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• Excellent, thanks! BD2412 T 20:29, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

"100th century" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect 100th century and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 28#100th century until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Regards, SONIC678 00:24, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

I have commented in the discussion, but I am not the creator of the redirect. BD2412 T 01:23, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ohana (surname)

Please help me understand the AfD comment. I was merging content with the same title. Someone added a reference after, and it was not needed. There has been quite a bit of reverting, templating and disruptive editing. I was thinking that I was doing my job as in NPP. Bruxton (talk) 22:06, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I feel like you're trolling. You should no better than to delete references for contested content. At this point, I am inclined to block you myself. BD2412 T 22:42, 1 September 2022 (UTC)